Silicon Chip Online Edition!!

[David L. Jones]

Just loked at the new Silicon Chip website. Looks pretty jazzy, and
they now have an electronic edition. You can also order electronic
back issues. Presumably in PDF format?
Electronic version sub prices look to be similar to the print version


Haven't looked at it all so far, but it's about time!

Dave

 

[Gregory Toomey]

David L. Jones wrote:

Just loked at the new Silicon Chip website. Looks pretty jazzy, and
they now have an electronic edition. You can also order electronic
back issues. Presumably in PDF format?
Electronic version sub prices look to be similar to the print version

Good stuff! I usualyy read it at the local library but this is a good move.

gtoomey

 

[David L. Jones]

On 14 Jan 2004 21:15:47 -0800, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

Just loked at the new Silicon Chip website. Looks pretty jazzy, and
they now have an electronic edition. You can also order electronic
back issues. Presumably in PDF format?
Electronic version sub prices look to be similar to the print version


Haven't looked at it all so far, but it's about time!

Had a chance to have more of a look now.
I like all the online columns, lots of back articles, circuit
notebook, servicemans notebook etc Very slick interface.

The only thing I didn't like was that one of my articles automatically
(presumably) detected and inserted my email address as a proper
mailto: field. Hello spam

So when are SC going to bring out the CD with every back issue in PDF
format on it???
You can get a whole years worth of back issues for $76 though.

I would prefer an electronic version of SC, but not at the same price
as the printed version.

Dave
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(remove the "_" from my email address to reply)

 

[Allan]

"David L. Jones" <tronnort_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40065892.902038@News.CIS.DFN.DE...

On 14 Jan 2004 21:15:47 -0800, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:
Just loked at the new Silicon Chip website. Looks pretty jazzy, and
they now have an electronic edition. You can also order electronic
back issues. Presumably in PDF format?
Electronic version sub prices look to be similar to the print version


Haven't looked at it all so far, but it's about time!

Had a chance to have more of a look now.
I like all the online columns, lots of back articles, circuit
notebook, servicemans notebook etc Very slick interface.

The only thing I didn't like was that one of my articles automatically
(presumably) detected and inserted my email address as a proper
mailto: field. Hello spam

So when are SC going to bring out the CD with every back issue in PDF
format on it???
You can get a whole years worth of back issues for $76 though.

I would prefer an electronic version of SC, but not at the same price
as the printed version.

Dave
---------------------------
(remove the "_" from my email address to reply)

I would have expected the online version to be cheaper than the Printed
Version.
Maybe if there is enough subscriptions it will drop..
Well done though the whole site was a bit tired and needed a new face lift,
Its great !!
Allan

 

[Chris Baird]

The only thing I didn't like was that one of my articles
automatically (presumably) detected and inserted my email address
as a proper mailto: field. Hello spam

I wouldn't be too worried, as I doubt most spammers won't be going to
the trouble of subscribing to the online magazine just to get at the
email addresses.

--
Chris

 

[Craig]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:15:47 -0800, David L. Jones wrote:

Just loked at the new Silicon Chip website. Looks pretty jazzy, and
they now have an electronic edition. You can also order electronic
back issues. Presumably in PDF format?
Electronic version sub prices look to be similar to the print version


Haven't looked at it all so far, but it's about time!

Dave

Yeah about time they got rid of that crap site they used to have.

 

[Paul Howard]

I emailed Leo Simpson about this and his reply was;
"There is a considerable risk that the online version will jeopardise
existing print sales so the pricing has been made to appeal to
overseas
readers."

I'm not quite sure what he sees as the big problem with people moving
to an online format. I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".

Paul

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"David L. Jones" <tronnort_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 14 Jan 2004 21:15:47 -0800, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:
snip
I would prefer an electronic version of SC, but not at the same price
as the printed version.

Dave
---------------------------
(remove the "_" from my email address to reply)

I would have expected the online version to be cheaper than the Printed
Version.
Maybe if there is enough subscriptions it will drop..
Well done though the whole site was a bit tired and needed a new face lift,
Its great !!
Allan

 

[Mainlander]

In article <c4d12689.0401152153.11d076fc@posting.google.com>,
paulh@adelaide.on.net says...

I emailed Leo Simpson about this and his reply was;
"There is a considerable risk that the online version will jeopardise
existing print sales so the pricing has been made to appeal to
overseas
readers."

I'm not quite sure what he sees as the big problem with people moving
to an online format.

That the print edition will cease to be viable and will cease
publication.


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[Rod Speed]

Paul Howard <paulh@adelaide.on.net> wrote in message
news:c4d12689.0401152153.11d076fc@posting.google.com...

I emailed Leo Simpson about this and his reply was;
"There is a considerable risk that the online version
will jeopardise existing print sales so the pricing has
been made to appeal to overseas readers."

I'm not quite sure what he sees as the big
problem with people moving to an online format.

Maybe he is worried about people paying for just
one online subs and sharing it amoungst themselves.

I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of

times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".

He's always been a complete fuckwit.

"Allan" <allanaws@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<400664fd$0$1731$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
"David L. Jones" <tronnort_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40065892.902038@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
On 14 Jan 2004 21:15:47 -0800, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:
snip
I would prefer an electronic version of SC, but not at the same price
as the printed version.

Dave
---------------------------
(remove the "_" from my email address to reply)

I would have expected the online version to be cheaper than the Printed
Version.
Maybe if there is enough subscriptions it will drop..
Well done though the whole site was a bit tired and needed a new face lift,
Its great !!
Allan

 

[Terry Collins]

Paul Howard wrote:

I emailed Leo Simpson about this and his reply was;
"There is a considerable risk that the online version will jeopardise
existing print sales so the pricing has been made to appeal to
overseas
readers."

I'm not quite sure what he sees as the big problem with people moving
to an online format. I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".

I can think of a few reasons why he should maximise his online version;

1) All the money goes to Silicon Chip and is not shared between
newsagent, distributor and publisher. This is usually why magazine give
good discounts to subscribers.

2) Saves trees, aka paper and thus printing costs. I know someone who
published another magazine and he said that he had to print two copies
for everycopy sold at the newsagent. The unsold copies were pulped and
could not be recovered.

3) Also saves postage costs of subscriptions.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:4007B3EA.F164C3C0@woa.com.au...

Paul Howard wrote:

I emailed Leo Simpson about this and his reply was;
"There is a considerable risk that the online version will jeopardise
existing print sales so the pricing has been made to appeal to
overseas
readers."

I'm not quite sure what he sees as the big problem with people moving
to an online format. I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".


I can think of a few reasons why he should maximise his online version;

1) All the money goes to Silicon Chip and is not shared between
newsagent, distributor and publisher. This is usually why magazine give
good discounts to subscribers.

2) Saves trees, aka paper and thus printing costs. I know someone who
published another magazine and he said that he had to print two copies
for everycopy sold at the newsagent. The unsold copies were pulped and
could not be recovered.

3) Also saves postage costs of subscriptions.

** All valid points - but a magazine does not live off the cover price.

It lives in fact off the advertising space it sells.

The marketing value to advertisers of ads included with an on-line magazine
is lower than when the same appears in printed form ( since most
advertisers have good web sites of their own already) - SC know this and
hence are not about the commit publishing Hari-Kari.




.............. Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

"Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message news:4007B3EA.F164C3C0@woa.com.au...

Paul Howard wrote:

I emailed Leo Simpson about this and his reply was;
"There is a considerable risk that the online version will jeopardise
existing print sales so the pricing has been made to appeal to
overseas
readers."

I'm not quite sure what he sees as the big problem with people moving
to an online format. I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".


I can think of a few reasons why he should maximise his online version;

1) All the money goes to Silicon Chip and is not shared between
newsagent, distributor and publisher. This is usually why magazine give
good discounts to subscribers.

2) Saves trees, aka paper and thus printing costs. I know someone who
published another magazine and he said that he had to print two copies
for everycopy sold at the newsagent. The unsold copies were pulped and
could not be recovered.

3) Also saves postage costs of subscriptions.

Big downside with an electronic version is that its a hell of a lot
easier to share a subs and so the number of subs can drop.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:4007b74b$0$26116$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:4007B3EA.F164C3C0@woa.com.au...
Paul Howard wrote:

I emailed Leo Simpson about this and his reply was;
"There is a considerable risk that the online version will jeopardise
existing print sales so the pricing has been made to appeal to
overseas
readers."

I'm not quite sure what he sees as the big problem with people moving
to an online format. I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".


I can think of a few reasons why he should maximise his online version;

1) All the money goes to Silicon Chip and is not shared between
newsagent, distributor and publisher. This is usually why magazine give
good discounts to subscribers.

2) Saves trees, aka paper and thus printing costs. I know someone who
published another magazine and he said that he had to print two copies
for everycopy sold at the newsagent. The unsold copies were pulped and
could not be recovered.

3) Also saves postage costs of subscriptions.



** All valid points - but a magazine does not live off the cover price.

It lives in fact off the advertising space it sells.

The marketing value to advertisers of ads included with an on-line magazine
is lower than when the same appears in printed form ( since most
advertisers have good web sites of their own already) - SC know this and
hence are not about the commit publishing Hari-Kari.

Have fun explaining why Circuit Cellar aint gone bust by now.

 

[Mainlander]

In article <bu85mt$aspdp$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>,
rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

Paul Howard <paulh@adelaide.on.net> wrote in message
news:c4d12689.0401152153.11d076fc@posting.google.com...

I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".

He's always been a complete fuckwit.

How many electronics magazines have you edited, Speed?


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[Rod Speed]

Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote in message
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Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Paul Howard <paulh@adelaide.on.net> wrote

I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".

He's always been a complete fuckwit.

How many electronics magazines have you edited, Speed?

Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether
Simpson has always been a complete fuckwit.

Even a stupid sheep raper should have noticed that Circuit
Cellar has managed to work out a system that has not
resulted in their commercial suicide, over years now.

 

[Paul Howard]

I think Phil might be right, but I would generally choose a printed
version over an online one, because you can't read a pdf file sitting
on the loo.

Paul



"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<4007b74b$0$26116$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...

** All valid points - but a magazine does not live off the cover price.

It lives in fact off the advertising space it sells.

The marketing value to advertisers of ads included with an on-line magazine
is lower than when the same appears in printed form ( since most
advertisers have good web sites of their own already) - SC know this and
hence are not about the commit publishing Hari-Kari.




............. Phil

 

[KLR]

On 16 Jan 2004 03:38:29 +1100, Chris Baird
<abuse@brushtail.apana.org.au> wrote:

The only thing I didn't like was that one of my articles
automatically (presumably) detected and inserted my email address
as a proper mailto: field. Hello spam

I wouldn't be too worried, as I doubt most spammers won't be going to
the trouble of subscribing to the online magazine just to get at the
email addresses.

People selling goods/services to the market that SC appeals to might
do just that. Only needs one person to do this (harvest email
addresses) and they end up on spam lists.



I wouldnt regard this as a major reason not to subscribe however, as
the email addresses will get around to the wrong hands by other means
if needed.

 

[Mainlander]

In article <bua0g8$fc27a$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>,
rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a7340ec53d5905b98a4b8@news.paradise.net.nz...
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Paul Howard <paulh@adelaide.on.net> wrote

I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".

He's always been a complete fuckwit.

How many electronics magazines have you edited, Speed?

Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether
Simpson has always been a complete fuckwit.

Totally relevant.

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[Rod Speed]

"Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message news:MPG.1a73b307429371d598a4cd@news.paradise.net.nz...

In article <bua0g8$fc27a$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>,
rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a7340ec53d5905b98a4b8@news.paradise.net.nz...
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Paul Howard <paulh@adelaide.on.net> wrote

I mentioned the Circuit Cellar system a couple of
times and he defined that as "commercial suicide".

He's always been a complete fuckwit.

How many electronics magazines have you edited, Speed?

Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether
Simpson has always been a complete fuckwit.

Totally relevant.

Even a stupid sheep raper should have noticed that Circuit
Cellar has managed to work out a system that has not
resulted in their commercial suicide, over years now.

 

On 16 Jan 2004 18:09:57 -0800, paulh@adelaide.on.net (Paul Howard)
wrote:

I think Phil might be right, but I would generally choose a printed
version over an online one, because you can't read a pdf file sitting
on the loo.

Paul

I purchase both Circuit Cellar's on-line and the paper copies. The pdf
subscription only cost me US$5 last May, The paper versions cost far
greater when purchasing from a local newsagent, so much so that I'm
going to buy a paper subscription direct from the US.

BTW, CC's pdfs also contain their advertisers, and most (if not all)
have their own websites, so I cannot see how Phil's statement that
advertisers marketing value is lower with on-line mags is relevant.

I can't imagine that Silicon Chip has the world-wide circulation that
Circuit Cellar enjoys, thus not wanting to reduce the price of the
pdf, as compared to the paper media. Anyway, it's early days yet. SC
may decide to reduce the cost of their pdfs to stimulate sales. I'd
like to see them producing magazines that have articles that are
stimulating, have new ideas, etc. Perhaps if Leo et.al. advertised in
Hong Kong, Japan, India, etc, for new writers/articles/projects, SC
may become more interesting, as such I feel it's little more than a
mag for hobbyists.

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<4007b74b$0$26116$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
** All valid points - but a magazine does not live off the cover price.

It lives in fact off the advertising space it sells.

The marketing value to advertisers of ads included with an on-line magazine
is lower than when the same appears in printed form ( since most
advertisers have good web sites of their own already) - SC know this and
hence are not about the commit publishing Hari-Kari.




............. Phil