SA Greenies

[F Murtz]

Je�us wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .
All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly.
In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap
till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective.
Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not
likely to go that way.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/02/2017 7:44 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Je�us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.

> All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly.

**Which is exactly what is happening.

In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap
till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective.

**There is no such thing as 'clean coal'. There is dirty coal and
slightly less dirty coal.

Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not
likely to go that way.

**Let us know where you are going to bury the radioactive by-products
for the next 20 million years (or only a tiny 24,000 years for
Plutonium). Of course, those figures are half-life ones. The danger
lasts for much longer. Whilst you are considering that, consider the
following:

* The oldest company or government on the planet is no more than a few
hundred years. How will you guarantee that all plutonium (one of the
most deadly substances on the planet) will be kept securely guarded for
the next 100,000 years? How much will that cost?

* The US has been generating nuclear power for about 60 years. Despite a
great deal of intensive effort for many decades, America has only bean
able to securely place 2 years' worth of nuclear waste material. It is
piling up every day.

* If the Australian government made the decision to build a nuke
tomorrow, it would take approximately 20 years to bring the reactor
on-line. How much do you think Solar PV cells will cost in 20 years?
More or less than right now? Here is a graph of Solar PV costs over time:
https://cleantechnica.com/2014/09/04/solar-panel-cost-trends-10-charts/

* Australia is the Sunniest place on the planet. If we tried really hard
and dedicated around 3% of our land mass (let's say in the centre) to
whacking up a fucking big Solar PV array (or better, Solar/thermal),
Australia could supply the entire planet's electricity needs (at today's
consumption levels). A significantly smaller area could satisfy
Australia's demands.

* Storage battery technology is moving rapdily, allowing Solar PV arrays
to be able to operate 24/7.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

**Both Labor and Liberal governments around Australia are responsible
for selling electricity assets. The Greens opposed it.

Idiot.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Petzl]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:39:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

**Both Labor and Liberal governments around Australia are responsible
for selling electricity assets. The Greens opposed it.

Idiot.

The "Greens" opposed the sale selling electricity assets to China.
Then Had the coal fired operations shut down
http://indaily.com.au/news/local/2016/05/09/sas-coal-era-ends-but-whats-next/
--
Petzl
Don't be "sheep to the slaughter"
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for Islam and Sharia.

For Turnbull, ‘multi-faith’ only means Islam
https://is.gd/bunwYB

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/02/2017 9:20 PM, Petzl wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:39:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

**Both Labor and Liberal governments around Australia are responsible
for selling electricity assets. The Greens opposed it.

Idiot.

The "Greens" opposed the sale selling electricity assets to China.

**They opposed selling the assets FULL STOP.

> Then Had the coal fired operations shut down

**The brown coal operations in Victoria are the most polluting on the
planet. They had to be shut down.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc,
have shut down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for
backup and if the wind does not blow or they have a storm that
damages things their setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies
with how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

.... but that wasn't in aus.eletronics thank the gods!
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

It was the Olsen LIBERAL govt that sold the public owned power supply in
SA.

 

[Fran Snortilus]

On 10/02/2017 5:26 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 10/02/2017 12:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
This SA green power supply works well does not it?

It's not helping us in NSW, with the AEMO warning of rolling blackouts
later today as people return home from work and turn on air conditioners
just as the solar panel output is dropping because the sun is going
down.

And that is part of the problem. People who can't cope without air con
and other than
reliance on such a fragile thing.

Let us go back to the old days where the old and infirm died because
they don't have any other strategy for coping with heat

READ the thread! People coming home from work and turning on their air
con WILL NOT BE THE OLD OR THE INFIRM you twit!

The old and infirm are the only ones who should be allowed to turn on
their aircon in the current situation.

 

[Petzl]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:33:51 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 10/02/2017 9:20 PM, Petzl wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:39:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 10/02/2017 8:02 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

**Both Labor and Liberal governments around Australia are responsible
for selling electricity assets. The Greens opposed it.

Idiot.

The "Greens" opposed the sale selling electricity assets to China.

**They opposed selling the assets FULL STOP.

Then Had the coal fired operations shut down

**The brown coal operations in Victoria are the most polluting on the
planet. They had to be shut down.

South Australia is the concern
http://indaily.com.au/news/local/2016/05/09/sas-coal-era-ends-but-whats-next/
he coal era has ended in South Australia this morning with the closure
of Alinta’s Northern power station in Port Augusta as debate rages
over the state of SA's energy supply and jobs prospects for the town.
--
Petzl
Don't be "sheep to the slaughter"
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
Or you are voting for Islam and Sharia.

For Turnbull, ‘multi-faith’ only means Islam
https://is.gd/bunwYB

 

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.


** Giant Huh ??

Tasmania has long had the cheapest, greenest and most reliable power
you can have - Hydro Power.

So cheap that for umpteen decades, Aluminium smelters set up there to
take advantage.

So cheap, it was worth running a super expensive, under-sea, DC cable
all the way to Victoria in order to share it around.

So what gives Trev ??

**Last year:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-23/tasmanias-energy-crisis-explained/7194234?pfmredir=sm

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/03/tasmanias-energy-shortage-reaches-record-lows/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Tasmanian_energy_crisis

** Try posting an actual case.

Those links are all about a temporary water shortage that has passed.


..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.


** Giant Huh ??

Tasmania has long had the cheapest, greenest and most reliable power
you can have - Hydro Power.

So cheap that for umpteen decades, Aluminium smelters set up there to
take advantage.

So cheap, it was worth running a super expensive, under-sea, DC cable
all the way to Victoria in order to share it around.

So what gives Trev ??

**Last year:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-23/tasmanias-energy-crisis-explained/7194234?pfmredir=sm

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/03/tasmanias-energy-shortage-reaches-record-lows/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Tasmanian_energy_crisis


** Try posting an actual case.

Those links are all about a temporary water shortage that has passed.


**Compared to a couple of days without power for SA, it was a very big
deal. It was MONTHS.

** FFS - your claim was about the in the PRESENT.

It was entirely false.

Now you bullshit an obfuscate.

Wot a surprise.



..... Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 10/02/2017 10:12 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:




No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.


** Giant Huh ??

Tasmania has long had the cheapest, greenest and most reliable power
you can have - Hydro Power.

So cheap that for umpteen decades, Aluminium smelters set up there to
take advantage.

So cheap, it was worth running a super expensive, under-sea, DC cable
all the way to Victoria in order to share it around.

So what gives Trev ??

**Last year:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-23/tasmanias-energy-crisis-explained/7194234?pfmredir=sm

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/03/tasmanias-energy-shortage-reaches-record-lows/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Tasmanian_energy_crisis



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 19:44:31 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .
All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly.

It's a great idea, I generate all my own power from solar and have
done for years, so I know it is viable.

In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap
till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective.
Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not
likely to go that way.

I'll be all for nuclear power once we can both safely harness/control
the energy and dispose of the waste. We still can't do any of those
things, so it's not an option IMO.

 

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:02:48 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 5:15 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 10/02/2017 2:57 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

**I suggest you acquaint yourself with reality. The problem lies with
how the private operators sell their energy.

And the greenie government that allowed it to happen.

**You blithering moron. I have carefully explained to you that the
problem is down to various state governments selling off power
resources. Now we have a situation where owners of power generation
facilities are refusing to start up power stations, because they don't
make enough profit. This is what happened to SA this week. There was
plenty of available capacity, but no one wanted to start up the power
station.

NOTHING to do with greenies.

But, you have been told this before.

The green thinking state government sold it off which caused the mess

Are you for real? LOL...

 

[SG1]

"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 19:44:31 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and
if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .
All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly.

It's a great idea, I generate all my own power from solar and have
done for years, so I know it is viable.

In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap
till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective.
Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not
likely to go that way.

I'll be all for nuclear power once we can both safely harness/control
the energy and dispose of the waste. We still can't do any of those
things, so it's not an option IMO.

I was thinking that "Van Dieman's Land" would make make a wonderful
repository for the waste. It has all the essentials, small population, lots
of
scenic wonders and is not part of the mainland.

 

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:08:36 +1000, "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> wrote:

"Jeßus" <j@j.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 19:44:31 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:23:24 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:57:51 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:52:04 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:

This SA green power supply works well does not it?

Where does the 'SA Greenies' or 'green' fit into the picture?

The greenies have made a system that relies on wind power etc, have
shut
down a coal fired generator and rely on other states for backup and
if
the wind does not blow or they have a storm that damages things their
setup does not work well.

So, who are these 'greenies' you speak of?

The south Australian government is inclined to greenie views and is
attempting to run their power supply along green lines and it is not
working so far.

You sure they're not commies too?

No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .
All this renewable energy is a good idea if worked up to slowly.

It's a great idea, I generate all my own power from solar and have
done for years, so I know it is viable.

In the interim things like much cleaner coal fired would fill the gap
till we work out renewables that work and are cost effective.
Modern reactors are probably the best at the moment but we are not
likely to go that way.

I'll be all for nuclear power once we can both safely harness/control
the energy and dispose of the waste. We still can't do any of those
things, so it's not an option IMO.

I was thinking that "Van Dieman's Land" would make make a wonderful
repository for the waste. It has all the essentials, small population, lots
of
scenic wonders and is not part of the mainland.

Yes, I agree. Would be a perfect place for it.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 11/02/2017 9:25 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:



No, just inclined to green views,so far it has cost SA the most
expensive and unreliable power system in Aus .

**Far from it. That honour belongs to Tasmania.


** Giant Huh ??

Tasmania has long had the cheapest, greenest and most reliable power
you can have - Hydro Power.

So cheap that for umpteen decades, Aluminium smelters set up there to
take advantage.

So cheap, it was worth running a super expensive, under-sea, DC cable
all the way to Victoria in order to share it around.

So what gives Trev ??

**Last year:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-23/tasmanias-energy-crisis-explained/7194234?pfmredir=sm

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/03/tasmanias-energy-shortage-reaches-record-lows/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Tasmanian_energy_crisis


** Try posting an actual case.

Those links are all about a temporary water shortage that has passed.

**Compared to a couple of days without power for SA, it was a very big
deal. It was MONTHS. Worse, it exposed some problems with the system and
Tasmania's reliance on hydro, with Victoria as back-up. Fact is, with
the radically changing climate, due to AGW, Tasmania's hydro may not be
the ever reliable energy source it was thought to be.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 10/02/2017 10:06 PM, Fran Snortilus wrote:

On 10/02/2017 5:26 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Fran Snortilus wrote:
On 10/02/2017 12:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/02/2017 9:52 PM, F Murtz wrote:
This SA green power supply works well does not it?

It's not helping us in NSW, with the AEMO warning of rolling blackouts
later today as people return home from work and turn on air
conditioners
just as the solar panel output is dropping because the sun is going
down.

And that is part of the problem. People who can't cope without air con
and other than
reliance on such a fragile thing.

Let us go back to the old days where the old and infirm died because
they don't have any other strategy for coping with heat

READ the thread! People coming home from work and turning on their air
con WILL NOT BE THE OLD OR THE INFIRM you twit!

The old and infirm are the only ones who should be allowed to turn on
their aircon in the current situation.

The only reason we have a problem is that people run air-conditioners.
If only the old and infirm ran them then we'd have plenty of generation
capacity.

Except that if that were the practice in the past, the generation
capacity to cope wouldn't have been built, and we'd simply have the same
problem but with less comfort.

There's no reason we, as consumers, should have to manage with less
power than we want to consume. It is the responsibility of the
government to ensure that enough capacity exists, either by adjusting
the market parameters to encourage the construction of sufficient
capacity, or, as a last resort, constructing that capacity themselves.

The alternative is that those who can afford to do so will install
backup power systems, and those who cannot will suffer outages. That's
hardly an equitable result.

I'm a bit sceptical as to whether the market can really handle this on
its own, because having enough capacity for the extreme events implies
having capacity that's very rarely used. People build generators to earn
a profit, and it's hard to determine whether a profit can be made when
the requirement for the capacity is so rare.

It maybe that the only way is for the government to build generators
that it guarantees will sit idle except for the occasions when the spot
electricity price reaches its maximum allowed value (currently $14 per
kWh) and there is still insufficient capacity. The cost of that would,
of course, ultimately have to be born by consumers.

Sylvia.