Russian demographics...

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:50:13 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<21925b2c-2572-4a3c-8872-93b5e2adca21n@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:40:58 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

...look at Putins history, he would not betray Russia

Does history have a meaning when Putin controls the press, suppresses
public discourse, proposes falsities faster than even the Donald...

Same in US,
as to controlling the press:
That women who jumped in front of the camera with a sign \'all is fake about the war\' or something like that
as I worked in the studio here, somehow I think that could not have happened here.

Social media in the US (and Europe) are controlled, the guy who had an anti-covid shots website here
is in jail? You say something bad about our dictator rotte and you are in trouble and under investigation
all that is the same everywhere.


>His liberators are welcomed to Ukraine... with fireworks. Very loud, very close fireworks.

That creep what\'s his name shitlensky or something keeps a kill list website..
he is a pawn in the US weapon sales game and burns his own people in a war he can never win.
And US taxpayers pays for it all, like they payed for Afghanistan.
Oh and Iraq, and Vietnam, with their lives often.

So WW3, what will come out of it? New weapons (like V2 in WW2 finally did lead to a moonshot)
or just the end of civilization as we know it, dark periods lasting thousands of years,
more religious insanity?

For a society to function you need some rules.
The current US Precidend ByeThen who defunds the police, brings in the \'nothing to lose crime is OK\' population from the southern borders,
tries o legalize drugs that cause thousands to die, all that to get simple minded people to vote for him... the pawn in
the US military Complex he is.

Maybe there is more real freedom in Russia than in the US!!!
Remember \"Country Joe and the fish\" in that happening ater Help Uncle Sam in Vietnam?
https://www.stlyrics.com/songs/c/countryjoeandthefish6021/vietnamsong374192.html
Woodstock
where is the uprising now? the youger generation has no clue, But Soon Will?

Google this text:
And you tell me
Over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don\'t believe we\'re on the eve of destruction

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:58:08 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:50:13 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
21925b2c-2572-4a3c...@googlegroups.com>:
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:40:58 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

...look at Putins history, he would not betray Russia

Does history have a meaning when Putin controls the press, suppresses
public discourse, proposes falsities faster than even the Donald...
....
His liberators are welcomed to Ukraine... with fireworks. Very loud, very close fireworks.

That creep what\'s his name shitlensky or something keeps a kill list website..

Zelensky won a fair election, in a democratic fashion. Putin won a statistically
odd election, with clear evidence of ballot box stuffing, but solved that little problem by
poisoning, and imprisoning, Navalny.
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russians-voting--and-watching/2012/03/04/gIQA3j6CqR_story.html>

To my mind, Zelensky deserves respect, Putin merely commands it with guns.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 01:18:51 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<76a1f52c-e0fa-480d-8993-82c8053eb065n@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:58:08 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:50:13 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
21925b2c-2572-4a3c...@googlegroups.com>:
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:40:58 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

...look at Putins history, he would not betray Russia

Does history have a meaning when Putin controls the press, suppresses
public discourse, proposes falsities faster than even the Donald...
...
His liberators are welcomed to Ukraine... with fireworks. Very loud, very close fireworks.

That creep what\'s his name shitlensky or something keeps a kill list website..

Zelensky won a fair election, in a democratic fashion. Putin won a statistically
odd election, with clear evidence of ballot box stuffing, but solved that little problem by
poisoning, and imprisoning, Navalny.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russians-voting--and-watching/2012/03/04/gIQA3j6CqR_story.html

To my mind, Zelensky deserves respect, Putin merely commands it with guns.

He is just a weapon sink

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

You are avoiding the part about his being right.

Not about climate pessimism, not about Mexico paying for the wall, not about hydroxychloroquine...
not, apparently, about \"the steal\" , nor about peaceful nature of the January 6 crowd.

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.

No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

A wall and better enforcement would certainly cut off most of the
illegal immigrant flow at the border. A lot of misery comes from
people trekking thousands of miles across wilderness to get into the
US. That should be controlled.

Immigration contributes to depressed wages and unemployment and
housing shortages and crime. Immigration should be controlled.

There are parties that want a lot of poor hispanic immigrants because
they want them to vote for them. But they don\'t want Cubans.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 05:40:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:49:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
ulo0lhthg2t0u3i9r7e67ieqsdmdqgl070@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:57:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Oct 2022 08:23:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
pd50lh9qio124atvudcrdn8odq1cka3es1@4ax.com>:

https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/19/where-have-all-the-men-in-moscow-gone/

If the men leave, where will babies come from? I\'d expect the women to
follow.

And if the smart men leave, who will design electronics?

Long term, this will further dumb down the Russian population.

I dunno if this is true or just US Russia directed shit,

Does Putin actually work for Biden? I suspected that.

That thought had crossed my mind as all this happened after the 2 met.
But look at Putins history, he would not betray Russia

Good grief, he\'s trashing Russia (and Ukraine) right now.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:46:13 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<ann2lhhakdrti9a6qgfuf606uvldooej4f@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 05:40:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:49:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
ulo0lhthg2t0u3i9r7e67ieqsdmdqgl070@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:57:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Oct 2022 08:23:10 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
pd50lh9qio124atvudcrdn8odq1cka3es1@4ax.com>:

https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/19/where-have-all-the-men-in-moscow-gone/

If the men leave, where will babies come from? I\'d expect the women to
follow.

And if the smart men leave, who will design electronics?

Long term, this will further dumb down the Russian population.

I dunno if this is true or just US Russia directed shit,

Does Putin actually work for Biden? I suspected that.

That thought had crossed my mind as all this happened after the 2 met.
But look at Putins history, he would not betray Russia

Good grief, he\'s trashing Russia (and Ukraine) right now.

He is just hitting their energy supply after they hit the bride Russia build
The destruction is mainly from US and EU weapons.
It is all about US weapon sales.
shitlensky should just negotiate and the same day there will be peace.
He is the one that violated the 2014 agreement by constantly bombing Donbas.
But he wants nuculear war it seems.
Well if everything radiates then you need no \'electrickety .. some solution
I noticed I can find my way with the tritium light.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:44:39 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<ijn2lh55kvsq9gfjrjdjuihkirhl1l7tt4@4ax.com>:

How does fracking kill people? You can barely feel a mag 2.5
earthquake. I sleep through 3+ quakes.

It pollutes the ground water that you then drink.

2.5 and higher earthquakes we have here and has damaged a lot of houses,
Netherlands wants to stop drilling for gas in Groningen (province next to where I live)
but the current energy situation is so that we may need to continue drilling
for gas there.
We also want to build some extra nuclear power plants.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 15:28:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:44:39 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
ijn2lh55kvsq9gfjrjdjuihkirhl1l7tt4@4ax.com>:

How does fracking kill people? You can barely feel a mag 2.5
earthquake. I sleep through 3+ quakes.

It pollutes the ground water that you then drink.

No. Fracking happens far below the water table. And in mostly
uninhabited areas.

Energy is necessary and dangerous. NG is pretty good on that tradeoff.

2.5 and higher earthquakes we have here and has damaged a lot of houses,

Crazy. You can barely feel a 2.5. The houses were probably ready to
collapse.

My house has a solid reinforced concrete foundation on rock, steel
frames, and plywood shearwalls. I guess you don\'t have rocks. Mud
liquifies in a quake and flimsy structures can twist and collapse.

Netherlands wants to stop drilling for gas in Groningen (province next to where I live)
but the current energy situation is so that we may need to continue drilling
for gas there.

That\'s your choice. Learn to live with expensive intermittent power if
you like.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

torsdag den 20. oktober 2022 kl. 16.31.42 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

You are avoiding the part about his being right.

Not about climate pessimism, not about Mexico paying for the wall, not about hydroxychloroquine...
not, apparently, about \"the steal\" , nor about peaceful nature of the January 6 crowd.

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.
No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

the police would love all the new powers and \"toys\" they\'d need
those supplying the police would love all the extra business they\'d get
private prisons would love all the extra business they\'d get
drug cartels would love the large increase in profit

while the already miserable drug addicts would be even more screwed because
the drugs would be more expensive, worse quality and content sending them to
the ER or killing them

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:00:09 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

torsdag den 20. oktober 2022 kl. 16.31.42 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

You are avoiding the part about his being right.

Not about climate pessimism, not about Mexico paying for the wall, not about hydroxychloroquine...
not, apparently, about \"the steal\" , nor about peaceful nature of the January 6 crowd.

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.
No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

the police would love all the new powers and \"toys\" they\'d need
those supplying the police would love all the extra business they\'d get
private prisons would love all the extra business they\'d get
drug cartels would love the large increase in profit

How would controlling the border increase drug profits to cartels?

while the already miserable drug addicts would be even more screwed because
the drugs would be more expensive, worse quality and content sending them to
the ER or killing them

Restricted supply hence much more expensive drugs are what we need to
reduce consumption. I think I took a class about that effect once. The
limiting case is infinite price and zero consumption.

Street drugs are already seeded with fentanyl and that\'s killing
people. And bad meth. About 700 OD deaths per year in San Francisco.
THAT\'s the misery. Dying is the ultimate being screwed.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

torsdag den 20. oktober 2022 kl. 18.27.33 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:00:09 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

torsdag den 20. oktober 2022 kl. 16.31.42 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

You are avoiding the part about his being right.

Not about climate pessimism, not about Mexico paying for the wall, not about hydroxychloroquine...
not, apparently, about \"the steal\" , nor about peaceful nature of the January 6 crowd.

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.
No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

the police would love all the new powers and \"toys\" they\'d need
those supplying the police would love all the extra business they\'d get
private prisons would love all the extra business they\'d get
drug cartels would love the large increase in profit
How would controlling the border increase drug profits to cartels?

supply and demand

while the already miserable drug addicts would be even more screwed because
the drugs would be more expensive, worse quality and content sending them to
the ER or killing them


Restricted supply hence much more expensive drugs are what we need to
reduce consumption. I think I took a class about that effect once. The
limiting case is infinite price and zero consumption.

Street drugs are already seeded with fentanyl and that\'s killing
people. And bad meth. About 700 OD deaths per year in San Francisco.
THAT\'s the misery. Dying is the ultimate being screwed.

it is seeded with fentanyl because it is easier to smuggle

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:51:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<86r2lh52bqaq0kadknhegsi80u2i4p6p51@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 15:28:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:44:39 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
ijn2lh55kvsq9gfjrjdjuihkirhl1l7tt4@4ax.com>:

How does fracking kill people? You can barely feel a mag 2.5
earthquake. I sleep through 3+ quakes.

It pollutes the ground water that you then drink.

No. Fracking happens far below the water table. And in mostly
uninhabited areas.

Look it up smart...
Do you guys have google?

Energy is necessary and dangerous. NG is pretty good on that tradeoff.


2.5 and higher earthquakes we have here and has damaged a lot of houses,

Crazy. You can barely feel a 2.5. The houses were probably ready to
collapse.

Those houses were OK before the drilling, the drilling cauaed the earthquakes,

My house has a solid reinforced concrete foundation on rock, steel
frames, and plywood shearwalls. I guess you don\'t have rocks. Mud
liquifies in a quake and flimsy structures can twist and collapse.

Your house was build with andreas fault in mind it seems.

Netherlands wants to stop drilling for gas in Groningen (province next to where I live)
but the current energy situation is so that we may need to continue drilling
for gas there.

That\'s your choice. Learn to live with expensive intermittent power if
you like.

If you US critters did not destroy Northstream 1 and 2,
and did not start a war in Europe like that Bil CLignon from the same idiot party did before
this brainless BuyThem (weapons!!!) , everything would be fine.
One more and I will test my earthquacke generator again.
Its a bit like kryptonite.
Still need to work on aiming.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:00:09 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Lasse
Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote in
<ece29478-6264-4a60-a341-5c58b56cbae5n@googlegroups.com>:

torsdag den 20. oktober 2022 kl. 16.31.42 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

You are avoiding the part about his being right.

Not about climate pessimism, not about Mexico paying for the wall, not about hydroxychloroquine...
not, apparently, about \"the steal\" , nor about peaceful nature of the January 6 crowd.

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.
No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

the police would love all the new powers and \"toys\" they\'d need
those supplying the police would love all the extra business they\'d get
private prisons would love all the extra business they\'d get
drug cartels would love the large increase in profit

while the already miserable drug addicts would be even more screwed because
the drugs would be more expensive, worse quality and content sending them to
the ER or killing them

You a user now?

 

[Ed Lee]

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
....
> If you US critters did not destroy Northstream 1 and 2,

Baseless accusation. What\'s the motive for such US action? Germany already stopped NS2. Killing NS1 only drive up Nat. Gas price. It\'s not desirable for US.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:46:48 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
<f701d364-fd68-4ba4-b672-8fa4d94a89den@googlegroups.com>:

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
...
If you US critters did not destroy Northstream 1 and 2,

Baseless accusation. What\'s the motive for such US action? Germany already stopped NS2. Killing NS1 only drive up Nat. Gas
price. It\'s not desirable for US.

Follow the money, US profits in a big way from selling gas to the EU
because they can ask very high prices.
So high that they prefer to sell the stuff to EU and now have a shortage at home
for their own people.

all ruthless criminals..

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

torsdag den 20. oktober 2022 kl. 18.41.51 UTC+2 skrev Jan Panteltje:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:00:09 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Lasse
Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote in
ece29478-6264-4a60...@googlegroups.com>:
torsdag den 20. oktober 2022 kl. 16.31.42 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

You are avoiding the part about his being right.

Not about climate pessimism, not about Mexico paying for the wall, not about hydroxychloroquine...
not, apparently, about \"the steal\" , nor about peaceful nature of the January 6 crowd.

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.
No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

the police would love all the new powers and \"toys\" they\'d need
those supplying the police would love all the extra business they\'d get
private prisons would love all the extra business they\'d get
drug cartels would love the large increase in profit

while the already miserable drug addicts would be even more screwed because
the drugs would be more expensive, worse quality and content sending them to
the ER or killing them
You a user now?

no, I stick to legal vices

 

[Ed Lee]

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:53:40 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:46:48 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
f701d364-fd68-4ba4...@googlegroups.com>:
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:39:27 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
...
If you US critters did not destroy Northstream 1 and 2,

Baseless accusation. What\'s the motive for such US action? Germany already stopped NS2. Killing NS1 only drive up Nat. Gas
price. It\'s not desirable for US.
Follow the money, US profits in a big way from selling gas to the EU
because they can ask very high prices.
So high that they prefer to sell the stuff to EU and now have a shortage at home
for their own people.

all ruthless criminals..

Price is high because of liquifications, transportations and gasifications. It\'s very inefficient use of NG, not to mention the climate affect. US government does not benefit from high NG prices. If it\'s done by private company, they will be in jail. Actions like this cannot be hidden for long in the US.

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:31:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

[about Trump]

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.

No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

That goal, and \'the wall\', do not make a problem/solution pair.
No, it is NOT worth doing, because it won\'t give the \"2:1\" result in
any foreseeable future.

A wall and better enforcement would certainly cut off most of the
illegal immigrant flow at the border.

.... which is an entirely different problem statement, and the US immigration quota is now
NOT filled; we aren\'t trying to get less immigration than we have, that\'s not
how legal immigration levels are honored.

Immigration contributes to depressed wages and unemployment and
housing shortages and crime...

why not add rainy days, hammertoe, and milk spoilage to the list?

 

[Bob Engelhardt]

On 10/20/2022 12:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
[...]

There\'s a good chance the election was stolen, [...]

On Jan 9 a few yahoos entered an unguarded building and took selfies.
Reread the First Amendment as regards the rest.

O-M-G!! JL\'s delusions fully exposed. I hadn\'t fully realized how bad
they were.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 22:02:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:31:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:46:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:26:17 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

[about Trump]

He was right about building the wall. If we shut off the fentanyl and
meth flow, Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Good police work finds tunnels under the Rio Grande... actually, dozens going back years

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/drug-smuggling-tunnel-trnd/index.html

So, how is \'\'the wall\' going to impede that? You\'re dreaming of some kind of impenetrable
barrier, but... in reality, the wall was never that.

No border is perfect. But if we restrict the flow of lethal drugs,
even by as little as 2:1, it would save tens of thousands of lives a
year and millions of ER visits. Isn\'t that worth doing?

That goal, and \'the wall\', do not make a problem/solution pair.

Crazy. Of course tight border control, which includes a wall, will
reduce the avaibility of dangerous drugs.

No, it is NOT worth doing, because it won\'t give the \"2:1\" result in
any foreseeable future.

I said \"at least\". A serious effort to enforce existing drug and
immigration laws would do a lot better than 2:1. The current
situation, with open borders and drug dealing and injection in plain
sight, is absurd.

Maybe the next Congress will do better. Too many people are living and
dying in squalor and there are more organizations working to increase
that than there are ones reducing. Selling and shooting fentanyl and
speed and heroin are not victimless crimes.

Think, and have a heart if you can.

A wall and better enforcement would certainly cut off most of the
illegal immigrant flow at the border.

... which is an entirely different problem statement, and the US immigration quota is now
NOT filled; we aren\'t trying to get less immigration than we have, that\'s not
how legal immigration levels are honored.

Immigration contributes to depressed wages and unemployment and
housing shortages and crime...

why not add rainy days, hammertoe, and milk spoilage to the list?

We pasteurize and ultra-pasteurize milk to reduce spoilage and TB
transmission. I doubt that hammertoe affects the economy much. We need
rain.

When you engage in snarky rhetorical excess, please at least try to
make sense.