Record ocean temperatures put Earth in ‘uncharted territory’...

[Fred Bloggs]

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

Loads of heat arrives from the sun every year, and it all gets radiated away into space. More CO2 in the atmosphere means that the layers in the atmosphere that do the radiating (which vary with the wavelength being radiated) move a bit higher, and the lapse rate of the atmosphere means that the surface underneath gets a bit warmer. As Joseph Fourier pointed out in 1824, the average temperature of the layers do the re-radiating is -18C.

A warmer ocean surfaces creates all sorts of problem, including more energetic weather, but the only one worth worrying about is ice sheets sliding off Greenland and the West Antarctic. We don\'t know nearly enough about that, because the critical changes are happening under a couple of miles of ice, but bleating about the sea surface temperatures we can measure is the kind of stuff that keeps English language science journalist happy, even though it doesn\'t mean anything.interesting.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:17:02 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

Loads of heat arrives from the sun every year, and it all gets radiated away into space. More CO2 in the atmosphere means that the layers in the atmosphere that do the radiating (which vary with the wavelength being radiated) move a bit higher, and the lapse rate of the atmosphere means that the surface underneath gets a bit warmer. As Joseph Fourier pointed out in 1824, the average temperature of the layers do the re-radiating is -18C.

A warmer ocean surfaces creates all sorts of problem, including more energetic weather, but the only one worth worrying about is ice sheets sliding off Greenland and the West Antarctic. We don\'t know nearly enough about that, because the critical changes are happening under a couple of miles of ice, but bleating about the sea surface temperatures we can measure is the kind of stuff that keeps English language science journalist happy, even though it doesn\'t mean anything.interesting.

The story is not about the intrinsic significance of ocean temperature but the relatively abrupt and record high increase. It does have the interest of the majority of atmospheric and climate physicists, they don\'t think it\'s insignificant.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:23:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

Of course you can. Nobody sane would take your explanation seriously. but it keeps you happy.

> The corals seem to be doing fine.

Apart from the ones that get bleached and have started staying that way. The Queensland tourist business isn\'t happy - the great Barrier Reef isn\'t as great as it used to be.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

Nothing lives in a vacuum. There\'s an infinity of interplay between all the different species, and especially those living on the coral. It\'s recently been reported the warmer waters are driving some kind of organism off the coral into deeper and cooler waters, and this organism protects the coral from being killed off by some kind of bacteria. Everything has its place wherein it keeps something in check and feeds something else. There\'s no end to how everything propagates. The only certainty is that change and imbalance is usually for the worse.

https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&page=0&catalog=&q=BIO+81%3A+Introduction+to+Ecology&collapse=

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:30:32 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:17:02 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

Loads of heat arrives from the sun every year, and it all gets radiated away into space. More CO2 in the atmosphere means that the layers in the atmosphere that do the radiating (which vary with the wavelength being radiated) move a bit higher, and the lapse rate of the atmosphere means that the surface underneath gets a bit warmer. As Joseph Fourier pointed out in 1824, the average temperature of the layers do the re-radiating is -18C.

A warmer ocean surfaces creates all sorts of problem, including more energetic weather, but the only one worth worrying about is ice sheets sliding off Greenland and the West Antarctic. We don\'t know nearly enough about that, because the critical changes are happening under a couple of miles of ice, but bleating about the sea surface temperatures we can measure is the kind of stuff that keeps English language science journalist happy, even though it doesn\'t mean anything.interesting.

The story is not about the intrinsic significance of ocean temperature but the relatively abrupt and record high increase. It does have the interest of the majority of atmospheric and climate physicists, they don\'t think it\'s insignificant.

But it\'s obviously progressive. The information is exactly the same as that presented the Mauna Loa observations, even if different and somewhat noisier variables are being observed.

https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

Nothing lives in a vacuum. There\'s an infinity of interplay between all the different species, and especially those living on the coral. It\'s recently been reported the warmer waters are driving some kind of organism off the coral into deeper and cooler waters, and this organism protects the coral from being killed off by some kind of bacteria. Everything has its place wherein it keeps something in check and feeds something else. There\'s no end to how everything propagates. The only certainty is that change and imbalance is usually for the worse.

https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&page=0&catalog=&q=BIO+81%3A+Introduction+to+Ecology&collapse=

Sure. After weather modeling introduced chaos theory, it was noted
that species populations have similar chaotic-system behavior.
Blooming and extinction are nothing new.

Climate despair is.

The new population control mechanism is young people not wanting to
bring babies into this doomed world. They will all die soon and it\'s
our fault. Funny.

Well, for you, everything is always for the worse. That must feel
discouraging.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

For once I find myself in agreement with Bill. There is no climate
crisis. It\'s all a great big stinking pile of BS. The planet may be
warming, but even if it is, it\'s a natural, organic process, and part
of a cycle which has *nothing* to do with CO2 levels. I\'ve put
together a selection of snippets from the world\'s leading
encyclopaedias which show that CO2 levels have not changed in over 160
years. See here:

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

Educate yourself, Fred.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 11:29:31 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

Nothing lives in a vacuum. There\'s an infinity of interplay between all the different species, and especially those living on the coral. It\'s recently been reported the warmer waters are driving some kind of organism off the coral into deeper and cooler waters, and this organism protects the coral from being killed off by some kind of bacteria. Everything has its place wherein it keeps something in check and feeds something else. There\'s no end to how everything propagates. The only certainty is that change and imbalance is usually for the worse.

https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&page=0&catalog=&q=BIO+81%3A+Introduction+to+Ecology&collapse=

Sure. After weather modeling introduced chaos theory, it was noted
that species populations have similar chaotic-system behavior.
Blooming and extinction are nothing new.

Climate despair is.

The new population control mechanism is young people not wanting to
bring babies into this doomed world. They will all die soon and it\'s
our fault. Funny.

Well, for you, everything is always for the worse. That must feel
discouraging.

The world may well be doomed, but not from \"Climate Change\"[tm].
Everyone\'s panicking over a degree or two\'s warming over 100 years
when we are at the most perilous point in world history since 1962.
Russian FM Lavrov just stated, as Russia once again took the rotating
presidency of the UN Security Council, that Russia had been forced to
join the US in abandoning the \'no first use\' doctrine WRT nuclear
weapons. You may recall George W Bush first rejected the doctrine over
2 decades ago when he was US president. We are indeed in perilous
times, but not from farting cows or deforestation.

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 11:29:31 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

Nothing lives in a vacuum. There\'s an infinity of interplay between all the different species, and especially those living on the coral. It\'s recently been reported the warmer waters are driving some kind of organism off the coral into deeper and cooler waters, and this organism protects the coral from being killed off by some kind of bacteria. Everything has its place wherein it keeps something in check and feeds something else. There\'s no end to how everything propagates. The only certainty is that change and imbalance is usually for the worse.

https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&page=0&catalog=&q=BIO+81%3A+Introduction+to+Ecology&collapse=

Sure. After weather modeling introduced chaos theory, it was noted
that species populations have similar chaotic-system behavior.
Blooming and extinction are nothing new.

Climate despair is.

The new population control mechanism is young people not wanting to
bring babies into this doomed world. They will all die soon and it\'s
our fault. Funny.

And self-correcting.

Near home, I saw a mother Turkey or Swan with her chicks waiting
patiently at a crosswalk controlled by a manually controlled crossing
signal. When a human came by and pressed to button and the signal and
bell energized, mother and chicks crossed as well. (I was first in
line, so saw it all.)

Now I\'d bet that the mother bird did not go to school, so how did she
learn how to cross? It may be the wrong question.

More likely, all the mother birds that did not do that correctly got
squished, so pretty soon all the survivors did it correctly enough.
Selection bias at work.

Joe Gwinn

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:50:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 11:29:31 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

Nothing lives in a vacuum. There\'s an infinity of interplay between all the different species, and especially those living on the coral. It\'s recently been reported the warmer waters are driving some kind of organism off the coral into deeper and cooler waters, and this organism protects the coral from being killed off by some kind of bacteria. Everything has its place wherein it keeps something in check and feeds something else. There\'s no end to how everything propagates. The only certainty is that change and imbalance is usually for the worse.

https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&page=0&catalog=&q=BIO+81%3A+Introduction+to+Ecology&collapse=

Sure. After weather modeling introduced chaos theory, it was noted
that species populations have similar chaotic-system behavior.
Blooming and extinction are nothing new.

Climate despair is.

The new population control mechanism is young people not wanting to
bring babies into this doomed world. They will all die soon and it\'s
our fault. Funny.

And self-correcting.

Near home, I saw a mother Turkey or Swan with her chicks waiting
patiently at a crosswalk controlled by a manually controlled crossing
signal. When a human came by and pressed to button and the signal and
bell energized, mother and chicks crossed as well. (I was first in
line, so saw it all.)

Now I\'d bet that the mother bird did not go to school, so how did she
learn how to cross? It may be the wrong question.

More likely, all the mother birds that did not do that correctly got
squished, so pretty soon all the survivors did it correctly enough.
Selection bias at work.

Joe Gwinn

Yes. And now that people have a choice, evolution de-selects the ones
who don\'t want babies.

I read about some wild parrots who eat some toxic fruit but then fly
to a chalk cliff and eat some chalk to neutralize the poison. How did
they figure that out, and how do they share the knowledge?

 

[boB]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 19:36:06 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

For once I find myself in agreement with Bill. There is no climate
crisis. It\'s all a great big stinking pile of BS. The planet may be
warming, but even if it is, it\'s a natural, organic process, and part
of a cycle which has *nothing* to do with CO2 levels. I\'ve put
together a selection of snippets from the world\'s leading
encyclopaedias which show that CO2 levels have not changed in over 160
years. See here:

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

Educate yourself, Fred.

Interesting that it is time for the earth to be cooling... Not
warming...

https://youtu.be/EplcPK4E7Zk?t=785


boB

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:35:32 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 19:36:06 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

For once I find myself in agreement with Bill. There is no climate
crisis. It\'s all a great big stinking pile of BS. The planet may be
warming, but even if it is, it\'s a natural, organic process, and part
of a cycle which has *nothing* to do with CO2 levels. I\'ve put
together a selection of snippets from the world\'s leading
encyclopaedias which show that CO2 levels have not changed in over 160
years. See here:

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

Educate yourself, Fred.


Interesting that it is time for the earth to be cooling... Not
warming...

https://youtu.be/EplcPK4E7Zk?t=785

Never ceases to amaze me how some people cite \"sources\" like this and
present it as evidence.

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:01:32 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:50:47 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 11:29:31 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

Nothing lives in a vacuum. There\'s an infinity of interplay between all the different species, and especially those living on the coral. It\'s recently been reported the warmer waters are driving some kind of organism off the coral into deeper and cooler waters, and this organism protects the coral from being killed off by some kind of bacteria. Everything has its place wherein it keeps something in check and feeds something else. There\'s no end to how everything propagates. The only certainty is that change and imbalance is usually for the worse.

https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&page=0&catalog=&q=BIO+81%3A+Introduction+to+Ecology&collapse=

Sure. After weather modeling introduced chaos theory, it was noted
that species populations have similar chaotic-system behavior.
Blooming and extinction are nothing new.

Climate despair is.

The new population control mechanism is young people not wanting to
bring babies into this doomed world. They will all die soon and it\'s
our fault. Funny.

And self-correcting.

Near home, I saw a mother Turkey or Swan with her chicks waiting
patiently at a crosswalk controlled by a manually controlled crossing
signal. When a human came by and pressed to button and the signal and
bell energized, mother and chicks crossed as well. (I was first in
line, so saw it all.)

Now I\'d bet that the mother bird did not go to school, so how did she
learn how to cross? It may be the wrong question.

More likely, all the mother birds that did not do that correctly got
squished, so pretty soon all the survivors did it correctly enough.
Selection bias at work.

Joe Gwinn

Yes. And now that people have a choice, evolution de-selects the ones
who don\'t want babies.

I read about some wild parrots who eat some toxic fruit but then fly
to a chalk cliff and eat some chalk to neutralize the poison. How did
they figure that out, and how do they share the knowledge?

Hungry critters will try anything. Critters with a stomach ache will
also get experimental. What we see are the descendents of the few
that did both, close enough in time to matter.

Willow Bark has been used a remedy for headache for millennia. The
straight acid is quite corrosive, being used for cauterizing warts and
the like to this day. Bayer\'s innovation was to tame the acid by
esterifying it.

The ancients probably got the idea by watching animals. The legend in
New England is that the local forest indians got the idea by watching
deer.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin>


Joe Gwinn

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 11:29:43 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

> Blooming and extinction are nothing new.

And extinctions due to mankind include saber-tooth cats, mammoths,
dodos, passenger pigeons...

Newness isn\'t why we should stop doing that; novelty is irrelevant.

> Climate despair is.

Totally irrelevant, again. Climate change with drought, crop loss,
tornados, increased flooding and hurricane damages... those are killers.
Despair just changes a mood. You can recover from that.

 

[boB]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 21:44:18 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:35:32 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 19:36:06 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

For once I find myself in agreement with Bill. There is no climate
crisis. It\'s all a great big stinking pile of BS. The planet may be
warming, but even if it is, it\'s a natural, organic process, and part
of a cycle which has *nothing* to do with CO2 levels. I\'ve put
together a selection of snippets from the world\'s leading
encyclopaedias which show that CO2 levels have not changed in over 160
years. See here:

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

Educate yourself, Fred.


Interesting that it is time for the earth to be cooling... Not
warming...

https://youtu.be/EplcPK4E7Zk?t=785

Never ceases to amaze me how some people cite \"sources\" like this and
present it as evidence.

Yep. Some sources are believeable without having to assume they are
some kind of conspiracy theory by just knowing they are reliable. With
a little bit of grain of salt thrown in where needed and just a wee
little bit of looking at the sources or credentials and previous
demonstration of truth from the presehter, which I have done.

You can certainly follow that evidence yourself as I have. I\'m not
going to waste my time to try and convince anyone who wouldn\'t change
their minds even if the evidence, however convincing, would hit them
directly on the head.

boB

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:29:43 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
I can explain the anomaly. More satellites and buoys.

The corals seem to be doing fine.

Nothing lives in a vacuum. There\'s an infinity of interplay between all the different species, and especially those living on the coral. It\'s recently been reported the warmer waters are driving some kind of organism off the coral into deeper and cooler waters, and this organism protects the coral from being killed off by some kind of bacteria. Everything has its place wherein it keeps something in check and feeds something else. There\'s no end to how everything propagates. The only certainty is that change and imbalance is usually for the worse.

https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&page=0&catalog=&q=BIO+81%3A+Introduction+to+Ecology&collapse> Sure. After weather modeling introduced chaos theory, it was noted
that species populations have similar chaotic-system behavior.
Blooming and extinction are nothing new.

Climate isn\'t chaotic.

> Climate despair is.

There\'s no climate despair around. The situation is entirely manageable. The fossil carbon extraction industry doesn\'t want it managed - they want to be able to keep on making money out of making the planet less habitable for us, and they spend quite a bit on propaganda aimed at gullible dimwits like John Larkin to let them keep on doing it for longer than is good for everybody else.

> The new population control mechanism is young people not wanting to bring babies into this doomed world. They will all die soon and it\'s our fault.. Funny.

If you\'ve got a defective sense of humour. Of course the world isn\'t doomed - just moving to a state that is well well suited to our rrent social and economic arrangements. but John Larkin can\'t think clearly enough to understand that.

> Well, for you, everything is always for the worse. That must feel discouraging.

Pollyanna thinks that everybody should be a fecklessly optimistic as he is. Feckless optimists tend to get themselves killed off, but sadly it hasn\'t happened to John yet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:36:14 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:58:46?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Temperatures in the world’s oceans have broken fresh records, testing new highs for more than a month in an “unprecedented” run that has led to scientists stating the Earth has reached “uncharted territory” in the climate crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis

It\'s English language science journalism at it\'s worst. The reporter has been active in environmental journalism since 2004, but doesn\'t seem to have had any scientific training.

\"The oceans have acted as a kind of global buffer to the climate crisis over recent decades, both by absorbing vast amounts of the carbon dioxide that we have poured into the atmosphere, and by storing about 90% of the excess energy and heat this has created, dampening some of the impacts of global heating on land.\"

This is scientifically illiterate. The oceans don\'t \"store heat\". They just get warmer, as does the mass of the planet underneath them.

For once I find myself in agreement with Bill.

He isn\'t.

> There is no climate crisis.

True. Things are getting progressively worse, but there\'s no \"crisis\" which is \"the turning point of a disease when an important change takes place, indicating either recovery or death.\" The general sense ‘decisive point’ dates from the early 17th century, and it\'s inappropriate in this sitaution

> It\'s all a great big stinking pile of BS.

It isn\'t but Cursitor Doom subscribes the great big stinking pile of self-serving BS otherwise known as climate change denial propaganda.

>The planet may be warming, but even if it is, it\'s a natural, organic process, and part of a cycle which has *nothing* to do with CO2 levels.

This happens to be completely wrong, but it is what the climate change denial propaganda machine is tryong to feed to people silly enough to believes it.

> I\'ve put together a selection of snippets from the world\'s leading encyclopaedias which show that CO2 levels have not changed in over 160 years. See here:

If you search through stuff published at the end of the 19th century you can find defective observations that appear to support that idea.

A more comprehensive literature search would show it to be wrong

<snipped misleading nonsense>

> Educate yourself, Fred.

But not by immersing yourself in Cursitor Doom\'s selective quotations.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:45:06 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 11:29:31 -0700, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:23:04?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred....@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> The world may well be doomed, but not from \"Climate Change\"[tm].

Climate change is a bit too slow moving to doom the world. It\'s certainly making the place less congenial for current human sociey which evolved in a slightly cooler world. and if we keep on pushing up atmospheric CO2 levels at our current reckless pace it\'s going to becoe progressivbl;ey less congenial.

When we get to the point where we can\'t sustain the organisations that did up fossil carbon and ship it around to be burnt as fuel the problem will go away again, but the half life of C)2 in the atmosphere is 800 years so it might take awhile.

> Everyone\'s panicking over a degree or two\'s warming over 100 years

Nobody is panicking. If they were we might be doing something about it, rather than tolerating gullible ntwsits who spread climate change denial propaganda.

> when we are at the most perilous point in world history since 1962. Russian FM Lavrov just stated, as Russia once again took the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council, that Russia had been forced to join the US in abandoning the \'no first use\' doctrine WRT nuclear weapons. You may recall George W Bush first rejected thedoctrine over 2 decades ago when he was US president. We are indeed in perilous times, but not from farting cows or deforestation.

Anthropogenic climate change isn\'t any kind of peril. It\'s just an unfortunate fact of life, as are sabre-rattling political leaders.

Happily, sabre-rattling political leaders are trapped by their own absurdity. Putin\'s political credibility is pretty much shot.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney