Real photos of Highway 17 and Skyline in the Santa Cruz Moun

[Stijn De Jong]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:39:32 -0500, PeterN wrote:

Not at all. In fact I was expressly stating that they should not be
Photoshopped. Your posting came just at the point that the Duck and I
were having a discussion about Photoshopping images. The gist of which
is that he and I shoot for different purposes.

Thanks for explaining 'cuz I wasn't sure so I apologize if I auto-completed
incorrectly.

I once read that almost all (and that means almost all) images are "touched
up" to some extent when published in paper print media. Apparently almost
not a single photo isn't changed to some extent.

This one certainly looked out of place, since the blue van had not a spot
of mud on it, and it was shiny and clean and not all crumpled up (only one
small dent in the roof).

So it certainly seemed out of place.
Plus the angle of the best shot was from the air (unless there is a road
across from where the accident occurred).

So, I agree, it *looked* photoshopped.

 

[Stijn De Jong]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 17:44:24 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Yet, we have to pay for road signs to tell us to conserve water while we're
driving.

It's a conspiracy to make you thirsty so that you'll drop into an
overpriced convenience store for something to drink.

My point is those are emergency road signs.
What are they for?
Why do we pay for them?

Originally they went in for amber alert and traffic conditions, and road
closure purposes. Which is fine.

But when they start putting on signs saying "brush your teeth", then they
went too far.

Basically, they're abusing the signs, is my point, by even mentioning
water, because (a) it's not a roadside emergency that we can do anything
about while driving, and (b) it's not gonna make a difference since
agriculture is what uses almost all the water (not homes).

It's a political farce.

Hardly. It's the current reality. Government believes that you need
to be told what to do and what not to do.

The government is welcome to tell me, but they can do it with mailings and
news and print, not emergency roadside signs.

What's next on those signs? "Wash behind your ears?"

That's what laws are all
about. You need to be told how to behave because otherwise, you might
go around leaving the water running, or commit some other crime
against the environment. Just salute as you drive by the sign and
you'll be all right.

Every time I see those stupid drought messages, I tell my kids how dumb the
gob'ment is, and how they abuse EVERYTHING so the only solution is not to
give them the power to abuse things.

 

[Stijn De Jong]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:16:43 -0600, Dean Hoffman wrote:

It's a political farce.

A quick search. Public Policy Institute of California.
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1108

Thanks for that reference.
Based on a quick read of that reference, the political farce behind those
idiotic road signs is even worse than I had thought.

"Approximately nine million acres of farmland in California are irrigated,
representing roughly 80% of all water used for businesses and homes."

"Total urban water use has been falling even as the population grows. Even
before the latest drought, per capita water use had declined
significantly?from 232 gallons per day in 1995 to 178 gallons per day in
2010?reflecting substantial efforts to reduce water"

The "urban" use is what those road signs target.
I feel they're a political farce because:
a) These are freaking emergency road signs - not political placards
b) We homeowners aren't the ones using the water (we use only 10%!)
c) There's nothing more we can do (we have cut back tremendously already!)
d) There's nothing we can do while driving in our cars!

What galls me is that we PAY for those road signs, which serve an emergency
purpose for safety roadway and amber-alert reasons (where license plates an
and make/model/color of perpetrator's vehicles are posted which we can do
something about while driving).

But the idiotic state employees use those emergency signs for freaking
drought purposes, which is not a roadside emergency which has anything to
do with highways and which anyone can do anything about while driving and
which isn't appropriate.

It's all a political abuse of power for political purposes.
(They want us to "feel" the drought, even though we're not the problem.)

 

[android]

In article <130220170728191296%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <9rp2acpm0h521r6v44l72r48va6dnnnrcg@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

He didn't know how to drive on mountain roads (apparently).

he's still a stupid driver.

I am agreeing with you.
If you can't miss a 20 foot wide hole, you're not gonna miss a pedestrian
either. Or even a guardrail.

He was a bad driver, no doubt about it.
I agree with you.

You're supposed to maintain control of your vehicle, and driving into a
hole isn't maintaining control. He should have been able to stop.

If he couldn't stop, then he was driving too fast.

he was driving too fast for conditions and not paying attention either.

It's clear from the news item that he actually misjudged the
situation. He thought he was driving through mud, which probably
something he could have got away with, but in fact he was driving into
a hole ...

Driver error.

that's what i said. stupid driver syndrome.

unfortunately, he's still driving and putting others in danger.

He could be right. The undermined paving, covered with mud probably
collapsed under the weight of the car...

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_surface#/media/File:Composite_pavemen
t_x-sect.jpg>
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teleportation kills

 

[PeterN]

On 2/12/2017 8:50 PM, nospam wrote:

In article <o7r3at0p7m@news6.newsguy.com>, PeterN
"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.


The natives of the City and its environs, only do so when necessary. At
least not during the rush hour.

then why is there so much traffic in midtown?

Vehicles double and triple parked slows things down. A very high
percentage is business traffic.

--
PeterN

 

[PeterN]

On 2/13/2017 7:28 AM, nospam wrote:

In article <9rp2acpm0h521r6v44l72r48va6dnnnrcg@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

<snip>

Driver error.

that's what i said. stupid driver syndrome.

unfortunately, he's still driving and putting others in danger.

Now that you have demonstrated a lack of understanding of the difference
between stupidity, carelessness, and ignorance, what mnore are you
showing us.
No don't bother.

--
PeterN

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 05:00:31 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/automation/vod/1748305_1280x720.jpg

But what is the vertical thing on the left? It's 2 or 3 feet tall.

Temporary concrete "Jersey" highway barriers:
<http://www.belson.com/Concrete-Security-Barriers-Highway>
It's a convenient place to anchor the tarps. However, putting all
that weight on a crumbling roadway does not seem like a good idea.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[micky]

In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:46:00 -0500, PeterN
<"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

On 2/12/2017 8:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

snip

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.


The natives of the City and its environs, only do so when necessary. At
least not during the rush hour.

One time I drove from Brooklyn to the Upper West Side during rush hour
without getting stuck in traffic once. I think this might have been
when part of the Westside Highway was closed too, because I suppose I
would have taken that if it were open. . I'm not sure I remember how,
but I think I went west to avoid the Holland tunnel traffic, then east
for a one way avenue, then west again to avoid Lincoln Tunnel traffic,
and then to 10th Avenue / Amsterdam Avenue and up to 86th St.

I knew how to park for cheap at the Fulton Fish Market too, which was
open until about 8:30AM and had room after that. Although eventually
they moved the fish market to the Bronx.


New York City news report:
We have bad news and good news to report. The bad news is that the
world will end tomorrow. The good news is that alternate side of the
street parking regulations have been suspended.

 

[android]

In article <o7ssvb$18u7$6@gioia.aioe.org>,
Stijn De Jong <stijndekoning@nlnet.nl> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:24:14 +0100, android wrote:

He could be right. The undermined paving, covered with mud probably
collapsed under the weight of the car...

That's an interesting observation.
Maybe the road was still there when he drove over it, and maybe it dropped
out from under him?

That was that that I wrote...

I'm sure if someone was there before him who might have reported it as a
collapse, then that didn't happen, but I don't know if that's the case.

So, at this point, it's possible that there "was" a road there when he
drove on it, and it collapsed out from under him, I guess.

Either way, let's hope he's learned how to deal with the mountains.

Oki...
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teleportation kills

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:43:48 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 05:00:31 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com
wrote:

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/automation/vod/1748305_1280x720.jpg

But what is the vertical thing on the left? It's 2 or 3 feet tall.

Temporary concrete "Jersey" highway barriers:
http://www.belson.com/Concrete-Security-Barriers-Highway
It's a convenient place to anchor the tarps. However, putting all
that weight on a crumbling roadway does not seem like a good idea.

No, it doesn't. Maybe the idea is to be sure it takes the plastic down
the hill when the road gives way.

Did you or someone imply that some pictures on the web had location data
that you or I could extract? And then go to the place.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
<stijndekoning@nlnet.nl> wrote:

We have been getting horizontal rain over on the Loma side of things.

I hate when that happens. It ruins my rainfall measurements because
the rain misses the rain gauge.

All you have to do is turn the rain gauge sideways!

<http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/181263/rain-measurement-with-wind-blowing>
<http://novalynx.com/store/pc/260-952-Alter-Type-Wind-Screen-8p225.htm>
I thought they were to discourage birds from sitting on the rain gauge
rim and from dumping their load into the funnel. However, it won't do
anything for horizontal rainfall.

Another problem is where someone located the rain collector on the
apex of a hip roof. Wind blowing perpendicular to the roof will
create an updraft, causing the rain to "fall" upwards. I've watched
it happen.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:41:54 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:43:48 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 05:00:31 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com
wrote:

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/automation/vod/1748305_1280x720.jpg

But what is the vertical thing on the left? It's 2 or 3 feet tall.

Temporary concrete "Jersey" highway barriers:
http://www.belson.com/Concrete-Security-Barriers-Highway
It's a convenient place to anchor the tarps. However, putting all
that weight on a crumbling roadway does not seem like a good idea.

No, it doesn't.

No, it doesn't what? Doesn't anchor the tarps or doesn't seem like a
good idea? Please eschew posting ambiguous obfuscations.

Maybe the idea is to be sure it takes the plastic down
the hill when the road gives way.

Nope. Might be a trampoline to catch erratically driven vans trying
to jump the gap. Hard to tell, but it does look like a fun ride.

Did you or someone imply that some pictures on the web had location data
that you or I could extract? And then go to the place.

Guilty as charged. That was me.

Most web photos do NOT have EXIF information. I use Irfanview for
photo editing. It also has an EXIF viewer and editor built in with
links to various mapping sites.
<http://www.irfanview.com>
You'll need both the program and the plugins. Save the image to your
machine, feed it to Irfanview, hit "I" (for information), and you can
figure out the rest. I couldn't find a decent video or tutorial so
here's what it should look like:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/EXIF%20Info.jpg>
Use the buttons at the bottom for mapping. Enjoy. Incidentally,
that's how everyone found out that John McAfee was in Belize. He
posted some photos with the EXIF info was not removed and that
included the location data. Oops.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Eric Stevens]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:41:56 +0100, android <here@there.was> wrote:

In article <gl42achl1ekjikjutjnf8ljdka9hk7kh9d@4ax.com>,
Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:32:28 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid
wrote:

In article <o7q9e5$nd6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Stijn De Jong
stijndekoning@nlnet.nl> wrote:


Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.

It's always possible that the hole got there after the van did.

Yes... It could have been an occurrence of an unscheduled twist in the
time space continuum. The boss gets vimy occasionally! ;-))

I wrote that before I realised that I was near the top of a long
thread. Lower down I read the actual explanation. Nevertheless I may
have been partly right. It could have been that the first time he
crossed that section of the road it was covered with flowing mud. When
he came back he again thought the road was (as he said) covered with
mud but by then it was a hole.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

 

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On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 1:27:21 PM UTC-5, Stijn De Jong wrote:

These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

the SAF runs thru the lakes on the east side

 

On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 1:27:21 PM UTC-5, Stijn De Jong wrote:

These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

my truck doors slammed shut when I opened the van photo

 

AE6KS 831-336-2558

pleased your ground held !

I dug a hole for my in hillside therml sink house

went to Jersey for some stuff

n a tornado hopped over the hill n into the foundation hopped out n proceeded to hop hop hop down the street

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sep 25, 2016 OLD FAITHFUL-LOWER STA Sale



09/19/2016 Chevron 0202401 Yuma Az

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/ca/nwis/dv/?site_no=11160500&agency_cd=USGS&referred_module=sw

 

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 2:35:33 PM UTC-5, avag...@gmail.com wrote:

AE6KS 831-336-2558

pleased your ground held !

I dug a hole for my in hillside therml sink house

went to Jersey for some stuff

n a tornado hopped over the hill n into the foundation hopped out n proceeded to hop hop hop down the street

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sep 25, 2016 OLD FAITHFUL-LOWER STA Sale



09/19/2016 Chevron 0202401 Yuma Az

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/ca/nwis/dv/?site_no=11160500&agency_cd=USGS&referred_module=sw

goo.gl/F5eq39

excellent McD down the street.

the ridge beyond is the desert to the right the Desierto

goo.gl/dyhcMS

to the left Yuma Pro BLAM BLAM ving ground n the dam feeding the California Aquifer.

and the Mohawk Canal !

The Colorado

http://www.californiaherps.com/frogs/habitats/coloradoriver9062.jpg

a place to start from

 

[David Lesher]

Hey Jeff:

I thought of you while on the Wet Coast last month.

I was in Sandy Eggo, where it was 51F and dreary, while warm and sunny
on the East Coast.

Then I was tipped to <http://www.sccroadclosure.org/> -- at the
time I saw almost every road I knew of listed, save Freedom
Blvd, and Fern Flat - but that's private.

I also saw a picture of a
<http://testsanat.com/fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/6-testsanat.jpg>
on a far steeper slope, maybe along 9.

I skipped your area & flew to SEATAC via Sacramento; there was
miles of flooded farmland visible.

But the worst indignity was 27 Feb: I left the [MUST SEE] Museum
of Flight, and realized I could not see the bus stop midst the
snow... and I-5 was closed both ways from a propane tanker
sidewise...

I got back to BWI; and it was 80 on Wed.

{not to beat up on Jeff; I like visiting Santa Cruz/Aptos/etc. But..}




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[Savageduck]

On 2017-03-09 17:36:10 +0000, David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> said:

Hey Jeff:

Hello Nymshifter.

Now go away.


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Regards,

Savageduck