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[jmfbahciv]

Roland Hutchinson wrote:

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:10:19 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always had a completely
fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows became
ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop the
dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Opens us a niche or two for the mammals, innit.

But removes hard-copy data and code backup which is

human-readable.

This kid confirmed my hypothesis about his attitude with today's posts.
PHB in the making.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

Rod Speed wrote:

Joe Pfeiffer wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
William Hamblen wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot<steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always
had a completely fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop
the dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Because the support for the hardware ended up being a complete pain in
the arse.

You didn't need to get rid of the keypunches, just the card readers.

The card readers werent the problem.

And the key punches are useless without card readers anyway.

There is some remote possility that that was the point.

Nope, the punches are useless without the readers.

I was right; he didn't understand.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

Rod Speed wrote:

Bill Leary wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

<snip>

There are still quite a few of them around, mostly used for
more obscure stuff like PLCs and hardware controllers etc.

Mostly legacy machine control or financial applications these days.

Nope, quite a few apps used to program hardware.

And that was the problem. Apps should be asking the monitor
to do the hardware tweaks, not doiing it themselves. That's
the source of most of the bugs and non-features in MS'
software.

<snip>

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

Rod Speed wrote:

terryc wrote
Rod Speed wrote

But it didnt run better than it did on Win or DOS.

Yes, it did.

Pigs arse it did.

We have a winner.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

No surprise that you're completely unemployable.


Child, if you remove the chips on your shoulders, you might

learn something from those who do know better.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

Rod Speed wrote:

jmfbahciv wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always
had a completely fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop the
dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Because the support for the hardware ended up being a complete pain in the
arse.

With teletypes in spades.

What do teletypes have to do with cards?

We eventually ended up with the ludicrous situation where a very senior
support
person had to do all the teletype maintenance because they were so fucking
hard
to work on compared with what replaced them. Even he hated the damned
things.

This makes no sense. TTYs were not card gear.

The cost of 029 card punches etc was utterly obscene compared with what
replaced them essentially because they were complex mechanical devices.

What costs? I don't remember the gear being very complex.

Some other operations had to get blank cards from me because we were the
last operation that bothered to have punched cards etc.

So? When you stopped providing the materials, those others had to get
their own.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

William Hamblen wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot<steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always
had a completely fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop
the dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Because the support for the hardware ended up being a complete pain in
the arse.

You didn't need to get rid of the keypunches, just the card readers.

The card readers werent the problem.

And the key punchers are useless without card readers anyway.

There is some remote possility that that was the point.

I don't think he will understand ;-).

/BAH

 

[Bill Leary]

"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:icsr3d$q6b$3@news.eternal-september.org...

Rod Speed wrote:

But it didnt run better than it did on Win or DOS.

Yes, it did.

Pigs arse it did.

We have a winner.
Congratulations Bill.

Sure. And thank you. But it's a victory not unlike winning a quick draw
duel with a comatose garden slug. Looks like Barb's come in for round two.
This should be entertaining. And perhaps even informative, if you just read
her replies and ignore his.

- Bill

 

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv wrote

Roland Hutchinson wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always had a completely fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop the
dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Opens us a niche or two for the mammals, innit.

But removes hard-copy data and code backup which is human-readable.

You can always print that crap out if you are that much of a dinosaur.

This kid confirmed my hypothesis about his attitude with today's posts. PHB in the making.

I'm older than you, thanks.

 

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
William Hamblen wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot<steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always
had a completely fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop
the dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Because the support for the hardware ended up being a complete
pain in the arse.

You didn't need to get rid of the keypunches, just the card
readers.

The card readers werent the problem.

And the key punches are useless without card readers anyway.

There is some remote possility that that was the point.

Nope, the punches are useless without the readers.

I was right;

Nope, you never ever are.

he didn't understand.

Nothing to understand with that mindless silly shit.

 

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv wrote

Rod Speed wrote
terryc wrote
Rod Speed wrote

But it didnt run better than it did on Win or DOS.

Yes, it did.

Pigs arse it did.

We have a winner.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

No surprise that you're completely unemployable.

Child,

I'm older than you, fuckwit.

if you remove the chips on your shoulders, you might
learn something from those who do know better.

Any two year old could leave that for dead.

Get one to help you before posting again, if anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.

 

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Bill Leary wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

There are still quite a few of them around, mostly used for
more obscure stuff like PLCs and hardware controllers etc.

Mostly legacy machine control or financial applications these days.

Nope, quite a few apps used to program hardware.

And that was the problem. Apps should be asking the
monitor to do the hardware tweaks, not doiing it themselves.

Yes, but with that sort of app, if they dont do it that way, there is fuck all you can do about that.

You dont normally even have a choice of app to do the programming of unusual hardware.

That's the source of most of the bugs and non-features in MS' software.

Yes, but when you need to run that software, the last thing you need is an OS that wont let it run.

Thats why OS/2 never did get used much by those that need to do that sort of thing.

Quite a bit of it would only run on DOS.

 

[T.T.]

In the punch-card era you always had something in your shirt pocket to write
on.
Apart from that, the whole concept was an abomination.

 

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv wrote

Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always
had a completely fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop the dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Because the support for the hardware ended up being a complete pain in the arse.

With teletypes in spades.

What do teletypes have to do with cards?

The same thing happened with paper tape.

We eventually ended up with the ludicrous situation where a very
senior support person had to do all the teletype maintenance because
they were so fucking hard to work on compared with what replaced
them. Even he hated the damned things.

This makes no sense. TTYs were not card gear.

Never said they were.

The cost of 029 card punches etc was utterly obscene compared with what
replaced them essentially because they were complex mechanical devices.

What costs?

You've clearly never bought one.

I don't remember the gear being very complex.

You've clearly never worked on one.

Some other operations had to get blank cards from me because
we were the last operation that bothered to have punched cards etc.

So? When you stopped providing the materials, those others had to get their own.

They only ever used cards very rarely for the most basic system maintenance.

You clearly dont have a fucking clue about how cards and paper tape were used.

 

[Rod Speed]

Bill Leary wrote just the peurile silly shit any 2 year old could leave for dead.

 

[terryc]

jmfbahciv wrote:

I was right; he didn't understand.

Your hope in the face of the mountain range of past examples was impressive.

 

[Rod Speed]

T.T. wrote

In the punch-card era you always had something in your shirt pocket to write on.

I still use the cards to write on even now.

Cut in half, they go in the wallet fine, now that T shirts dont have shirt pockets.

Apart from that, the whole concept was an abomination.

Specially when you dropped an entire box of cards which didnt have any numbering.

I used to run an IBM 360/50 in the evenings myself.

The printer automatically opened up when it ran out of paper.

One night, someone had a box of cards on the top of the printer.

You could hear the printer cover automatically opening up when it ran out of paper.

The poor bugger ran to the printer when he heard the cover opening.

Didnt get there in time. The box of cards had months of data on those cards.

 

[Joe Pfeiffer]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

Joe Pfeiffer wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
William Hamblen wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot<steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always
had a completely fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop
the dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Because the support for the hardware ended up being a complete pain in the arse.

You didn't need to get rid of the keypunches, just the card readers.

The card readers werent the problem.

And the key punches are useless without card readers anyway.

There is some remote possility that that was the point.

Nope, the punches are useless without the readers.

Not real good at understanding subtle humor, are you?
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

 

[Joe Thompson]

On 2010-11-28, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

jmfbahciv wrote
Child,

I'm older than you, fuckwit.

Childhood is determined by more than the calendar. -- Joe

 

[Roland Hutchinson]

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:13:11 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:

Roland Hutchinson wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:10:19 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:
Walter Bushell wrote
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

WordPervert was never gunna survive, it always had a completely
fucked user interface.

Surprising then that it was so popular right up until Windows
became ubiquitous. I quite liked WordPerfect's interface.

I have head many laments about WordPerfect's demise.

I heard many laments about the demise of punched cards too.

I had to physically remove the last of the card punches to stop the
dinosaurs continuing to use them.

Why in the world would you want to do that?

Opens us a niche or two for the mammals, innit.

But removes hard-copy data and code backup which is human-readable.

That's what the line printer is for!

--
Roland Hutchinson

He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
.... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )

 

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <UXxIo.3627$gM3.3198@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,
tonyt92@bigpond.com (T.T.) writes:

In the punch-card era you always had something in your shirt pocket
to write on.

Those cards were my nerd badge, which I wore proudly.

Apart from that, the whole concept was an abomination.

On the other hand, it was there and it worked - which put it
miles ahead of anything which sounded nice but which either
didn't exist yet or was prohibitively expensive.

--
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