Quantiative Science Before Galileo

In article
<81d966d2-e41b-4fd7-9f01-cd92fa75a134@k8g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

Only proper engineering which I would very much like to do, can show
conclusively that you can move from 0 to v with internal force. I
think I can do it next year.
Were you inspired to this vision by a Mexican Jumping Bean?
 
waves don't have velocity; only (undirected) speed. although,
a "photon" or other corpuscle could have a direction. I guess that
Fizeau showed that the speed of light could depend
upon the velocity of the *medium*, though -- some thing
that eluded me til this moment. (however,
I am not saying that the cosmical redshift is doppleroid .-)

I already gave the cite of M&M, where they give their "velocity
of or w.r.t. the aether" or not-null resultage.

Light is a travelling electromagnetic wave motion, and its velocity
depends upon the medium through which it travels, and the speed of its
emitter.  The former is proved in any microwave device with
dielectric, and the latter is proved by the null result of the MMI
experiment.  The Doppler effect, where the frequency apparently varies
for a moving source or receiver, is a further indication.

Thus f = (c(mu, ep, v)/wavelength;
where c(mu, ep, v) = c(mu, ep) + v

einsteinians.
thus:
I do recommend tripolars, to set-up the problem.
UTM is not needed here. No geodesics required at this time.
I'm just trying to find a coord system or method that allows me to
position my view at each station to determine alt/az from the two
stations of two points on the path of an event, start and end.
thus:
although one is primary, is it ever considered, a proper divisor?
A number is prime if and only if it have two divisors.
--les ducs d'oil!
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/chapter-8-the-permian-basin-gang/

--Light, A History!
http://wlym.com/~animations/fermat/index.html
 
c/lambda is meters/seconds divided by meters; frequency
of the lightwaves?

Thus f = (c(mu, ep, v)/wavelength;
--les ducs d'oil!
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/chapter-8-the-permian-basin-gang/

--Light, A History!
http://wlym.com/~animations/fermat/index.html
 
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:42:51 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago. Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.
Wrong, Dildo-breath. Its discovery (the "known" part) certainly *was*
science, as was the discovery of the size of the Earth.

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?
No, Cahill, I wasn't your mother's only born-alive offspring. There weren't
any.
 
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:47:25 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?
We know you're as stupid as DimBulb. ...and snip like him too. Say...
 
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:24:39 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?

We know

1. There is no "we." You don't even have a sock puppet on your side.
You're so wrong. Like DimBulb, you have a lot of "fans".

2. You know so little you couldn't even bs your way out of a wet
paper bag.
Now you sound like Ron Reaugh (Rod Speed). I wish you'd make up your mind
which asshole you're modeling yourself after.

3. You're dodgin' 'n dodgin' the question:
The question makes no sense, but that's to be expected of you.

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?
 
That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth.
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,
Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?


Bret Cahill
 
On Jul 28, 4:33 am, spudnik <Space...@hotmail.com> wrote:
waves don't have velocity;
Wave motion has velocity. Since you know nothing about basic physics,
I won't bother any more with you.
What fools we have these days! This is what comes, of leaving proper
science and technology and following careers leading to quick money!
No wonder China and India are going to thrash you lawyers etc. hollow
in the next few decades.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
 
On Jul 27, 9:44 pm, John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten> wrote:
In article
81d966d2-e41b-4fd7-9f01-cd92fa75a...@k8g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
 Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Only proper engineering which I would very much like to do, can show
conclusively that you can move from 0 to v with internal force.  I
think I can do it next year.

Were you inspired to this vision by a Mexican Jumping Bean?
Never seen one. I am however inspired by the desire to rub the faces
of all the einsteinian scum, into muck, for ever and aye.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
 
That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

      The Bible makes several references that can be interpreted as
meaning the sun goes around the earth. The target audience was
obviously people who thought the sun may go around a flat earth..
However, most of the Bible was probably written down earlier than 700
BC.
      In my searches, I have found only one person after 700 BC
actually wrote that the sun goes around the earth.
      Herodotus, the Greek/Egyptian historian, wrote a history on or
about 650 BC. He describes a Persian explorer who tried to circle
Africa. This explorer found the angle of the sun a bit anomalous.
Herodotus thought the explorer misinterpreted his data. Herodotus
proposed another model where the sun is close to flat earth.
    There were Greeks in Herodotus' time who thought that the earth
was round. Herodotus said that those Greeks were obviously wrong and
were just trying to attract attention.
    Although Herodotus was wrong, he was scientific. The odd anomalies
Herodotus describes prove that the Persian explorer really made the
trip.
    Herodotus also proved that the issue of a spherical/motionless
earth was still controversial in 650 BC.
      There was also a Greek/Egyptian astronomer who claimed, on or
around 50 BC, that the sun went around the earth. I forgot his name
and exact date. However, his ideas were not picked up again till
Copernicus.

Thanks.

They had math and empirical / qualitative science before Galileo but
science wasn't quantitative.

Not true.  Pi was rather well known 4K years ago.  Earth's size has
been known for some time, too.

Geometry is math, not science.

Wrong,

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?

We know
1. There is no "we." You don't even have a sock puppet on your side.

2. You know so little you couldn't even bs your way out of a wet
paper bag.

3. You're dodgin' 'n dodgin' the question:

Are you this doggy poopy stoopid in real life or are you just pulling
our legs?
 
don't be silly. waves are generally spherical, thence only have a
speed,
sans direction. it is true, that you might see one small part
of a wave breaking upon the beach, but what
about the diametrically opposite beach?

probably, you were considering a rock o'light.

Wave motion has velocity.
--les ducs d'oil!
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biograph...
--Light, A History!
http://wlym.com/~animations/fermat/index.html
 
On Jul 28, 9:42 am, spudnik <Space...@hotmail.com> wrote:
don't be silly.  waves are generally spherical, thence only have a
speed,
sans direction.
A wave front from an omnidirectional goes in all directions, a wave
can be directed as in a wave guide. If you had studied
electromagnetic wave propagation in a rectangular waveguide, you would
have heard of such terms as phase velocity and group velocity of the
wave. That is how it is described, in the standard literature. Now
that would be too much for einstieinians and their fools to grasp, of
course.

Obviously, a line of sight situation between transmission and
reception is as a guided wave, only with much more losses because the
wave is not guided. The reflections, refractions involved in wave
interactions with matter, can only be analysed with wave velocity
components.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
 
On Jul 28, 10:01 am, Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Jul 28, 9:42 am, spudnik <Space...@hotmail.com> wrote:

don't be silly.  waves are generally spherical, thence only have a
speed,
sans direction.

A wave front from an omnidirectional goes in all directions, a wave
can be directed as in a wave guide.  If you had studied
electromagnetic wave propagation in a rectangular waveguide, you would
have heard of such terms as phase velocity and group velocity of the
wave.  That is how it is described, in the standard literature.  Now
that would be too much for einstieinians and their fools to grasp, of
course.

Obviously, a line of sight situation between transmission and
reception is as a guided wave, only with much more losses because the
wave is not guided.  The reflections, refractions involved in wave
interactions with matter, can only be analysed with wave velocity
components.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Maybe needful to add, that if chaps studied engineering especially
antenna engineering and worked on same, making dull stuff radiate,
then they could never never accept such idiotic notions as quantum and
relativity, Einstein's brainchildren. The fact that einsteinians
still exist, and have mastered the art of talking gobbledygook to
impress stupid politicians to extract public moneys, is the single
greatest reason for absence of any fundamental new reserarch in the
modern world. Stupidity abounds, when the clever of the population
turn to making quick money as doctors, lawyers, managers, CEOs,
sportspersons, mediapersons, etc. Ah well, this is probably the
cyclical nature of things! Let us hope that my ideas relating to the
Internal Force Engine and the Hydrogen Transmission Network finally
make it to the public mind (today I am comprehensively outcasted)
before the planet turns into something like Venus, with unchecked
greenhouse effect going on apace! The more the ruling morons say they
are keen to stop it, the more they actually do for the opposite. See
how much pollution Al Gore is causing by flying, so much jet engine
pollution to thicken the layers causing the greenhouse effect!
Parasites all, lamenting the grief they cause to their host!

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
 
On Jul 15, 2:30 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:

This is easy to know because libertarianism consists of denying that
relationships exist.  Not only are all equations linearly independent
in Libertaria, but variables in one equation never appear anywhere
else.
I agree....

Bret Cahill

"Math is applied logic."

-- Nietzsche
..., however, I despise Nietze. Nietze was perhaps the worse
libertarian there ever was. He may have surpassed Anne Rynd.
 
On Jul 28, 12:53 pm, Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 2:30 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:

This is easy to know because libertarianism consists of denying that
relationships exist.  Not only are all equations linearly independent
in Libertaria, but variables in one equation never appear anywhere
else.
     I agree....

Bret Cahill

"Math is applied logic."

-- Nietzsche

      ..., however, I despise Nietze. Nietze was perhaps the worse
libertarian there ever was. He may have surpassed Anne Rynd.
It is a shame that you despise Nietze, whoever the hell that is. One
wonders who "Anne Rynd" was, as well. There was an author named "Ayn
Rand", who had some interesting points of view that could well be
described as libertarian.

Nietzsche, on the other hand, (as opposed to this "Nietze" person) had
many powerful insights. By no stretch of the imagination, though,
could Nietzsche be described as a "libertarian".
 
This is easy to know because libertarianism consists of denying that
relationships exist.  Not only are all equations linearly independent
in Libertaria, but variables in one equation never appear anywhere
else.
     I agree....

Bret Cahill

"Math is applied logic."

-- Nietzsche

      ..., however, I despise Nietze. Nietze was perhaps the worse
libertarian there ever was.
Nietzsche was reacting against the 1848 revolutions in Europe which is
why he is easy to misunderstand. His style was to keep the protonazis
from reading his material and he went insane when that didn't work.

It's interesting to compare N. with Tocqueville -- who embraced
democracy and is easy to understand -- because both often said the
same things but from a completely different POV.

Both predicted the wars of the 20th Century and both claimed that
"nothing happened during the French Revolution."

Both were against socialism but T. was no liberdope. T. believed
government should be "active and powerful." T. knew democratic
freedom, bad as it was, was the best you could do.

N was going to fight democracy, Christianity and everything else on
the planet.

The problem with N. is that he never actually says anything new. He's
really a kind of a Cliff Notes of Western Civilization.

It's 100% certain N. would take that as the greatest insult but he's a
lively writer which is good enough.

He may have surpassed Anne Rynd.
No comparison. Ayn Rand, a silly girl fiction writer, was like those
immigrants who always adopt the extreme vices of their new country and
then make the vices 100 times worse than the original.

No one would ever make those charges against N., not even the 99.999%
of the public who misunderstand him.


Bret Cahill


". . . in the very next century when Russia will, to borrow a term
from our physicists, 'discharge' herself . . ."

-- Nietzsche
 
In article <26198279-7758-4f66-8725-31c7144bee94@t2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, Robert Higgins <robert_higgins_61@hotmail.com> writes:
On Jul 28, 12:53=A0pm, Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 2:30=A0pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:

"Math is applied logic."

-- Nietzsche

=A0 =A0 =A0 ..., however, I despise Nietze. Nietze was perhaps the worse
libertarian there ever was. He may have surpassed Anne Rynd.

It is a shame that you despise Nietze, whoever the hell that is. One
wonders who "Anne Rynd" was, as well. There was an author named "Ayn
Rand", who had some interesting points of view that could well be
described as libertarian.

Nietzsche, on the other hand, (as opposed to this "Nietze" person) had
many powerful insights. By no stretch of the imagination, though,
could Nietzsche be described as a "libertarian".
I think he's referring the linebacker Ray Nitschke.

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
A bad day sailing is better than a good day at the office.
 
On Jul 11, 12:32 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Or are you a conspiracy theorist who believes 98% of the scientists on
the planet are in on a conspiracy?
That's about the same percentage who held that the Sun went round the
Earth.

When did who believe that?

Bret Cahill

The Ptolemaic model was adopted by the Roman church and basically all
scholars until Copernicus re-introduced Aristarchus' model.
 
On Jul 14, 4:57 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Yet you believe that those in the "soft sciences" are qualified to
comment on the "hard sciences"?  ...particularly those that are not
well understood?

I would offer one example of how the hard sciences absolutely require
the soft social sciences. Peer review, which is a social science based
upon various sociology methodologies

Peer review is not based upon any social science whatsoever. A person
chooses those to review an article.

Peer review is based upon social science methodology and statistics, a
soft science.

When, for example, a mathematical theory is reviewed, a chairperson
chooses the reviewers. That is the method.

Math ain't science.

Bret Cahill
Except that all pure sciences depend heavily on it.
 
Yet you believe that those in the "soft sciences" are qualified to
comment on the "hard sciences"?  ...particularly those that are not
well understood?

I would offer one example of how the hard sciences absolutely require
the soft social sciences. Peer review, which is a social science based
upon various sociology methodologies

Peer review is not based upon any social science whatsoever. A person
chooses those to review an article.

Peer review is based upon social science methodology and statistics, a
soft science.

When, for example, a mathematical theory is reviewed, a chairperson
chooses the reviewers. That is the method.

Math ain't science.

Bret Cahill

Except that all pure sciences depend heavily on it.
As well as a lot of other thangs.


Bret Cahill
 

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