pretty OT: boats...

[Ricketty C]

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.

I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

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[Ricketty C]

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 6:05:58 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

onsdag den 9. september 2020 kl. 23.55.36 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 11:49:53 -0700, Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net
wrote:

On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

\"Why buy a sailboat when you can throw your money directly into the
water?\"

in many places having a sailboat has the bonus that you\'ll be wet and
cold while doing it

Around here, that\'s a clear plus in the summer. Most of us on the cove have spent entire afternoons up to our necks in the lake.

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[dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.
My brother bought a used 15\' motor boat for ~$2.5k
Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys.
(no girls allowed. :^)

Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades.
My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I
sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a
new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting
boatyard space.)

I\'m from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a
Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico.

We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard,
155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at
the helm. I \'bout lost my vocal chords \'requesting\' he slack off the
main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried
the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted
me skyward...jolly good fun!

It looked a bit like this:
https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html

Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it
over and over, as we\'d no sooner get righted than knocked down again
(it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather
long enough for us to re-board).

(Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing
hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren\'t actually
going to die.)

In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before
sailing in, sunburned and smiling.

Good times!

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Edward Lee]

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.

Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Got it!

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[Edward Lee]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.

So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

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Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Edward Lee]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:09:38 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.
So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

Apple earns major part of their profit from China.

What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

Tesla is ramping up productions in China.

Both companies have no plan of slowing down in China.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:09:38 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.
So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

Apple earns major part of their profit from China.


What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

Tesla is ramping up productions in China.

Both companies have no plan of slowing down in China.

So the problem is we should not build anything in China? Tesla is ramping up production everywhere they build cars which is in the US and China presently and soon to be in Germany. So when they start making cars in Germany will you talk about the concentration camps there too? That\'s some bad juju.

The fact that after three opportunities to explain yourself you have totally failed to provide any substantial evidence of anything wrong I think we can easily see where the problem is. Short between the headphones.

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Rick C.

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[Edward Lee]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:09:38 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used..

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.
So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

Apple earns major part of their profit from China.


What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

Tesla is ramping up productions in China.

Both companies have no plan of slowing down in China.
So the problem is we should not build anything in China?

Yes.

> Tesla is ramping up production everywhere they build cars which is in the US and China presently and soon to be in Germany. So when they start making cars in Germany will you talk about the concentration camps there too? That\'s some bad juju.

No, there are no more concentration camps in Germany.

> The fact that after three opportunities to explain yourself you have totally failed to provide any substantial evidence of anything wrong I think we can easily see where the problem is. Short between the headphones.

I keep explaining to you that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China. There are probably in some other countries, but not in Japan and Germany currently.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 6:35:35 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:09:38 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols.. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.
So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

Apple earns major part of their profit from China.


What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

Tesla is ramping up productions in China.

Both companies have no plan of slowing down in China.
So the problem is we should not build anything in China?

Yes.

Tesla is ramping up production everywhere they build cars which is in the US and China presently and soon to be in Germany. So when they start making cars in Germany will you talk about the concentration camps there too? That\'s some bad juju.

No, there are no more concentration camps in Germany.

The fact that after three opportunities to explain yourself you have totally failed to provide any substantial evidence of anything wrong I think we can easily see where the problem is. Short between the headphones.

I keep explaining to you that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China. There are probably in some other countries, but not in Japan and Germany currently.

You \"explain\" many things, but you offer little in the way of evidence. So little it is indistinguishable from zero.

Even if the cars are built elsewhere, how do you know the parts aren\'t from China? That\'s the problem they have with conflict minerals and diamonds, there is never a sure way to know where they are from.

Since there is no evidence of any such problems in China, I\'ll ignore your posts on the matter.

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Edward Lee]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 6:35:35 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:09:38 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.
So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

Apple earns major part of their profit from China.


What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

Tesla is ramping up productions in China.

Both companies have no plan of slowing down in China.
So the problem is we should not build anything in China?

Yes.

Tesla is ramping up production everywhere they build cars which is in the US and China presently and soon to be in Germany. So when they start making cars in Germany will you talk about the concentration camps there too? That\'s some bad juju.

No, there are no more concentration camps in Germany.

The fact that after three opportunities to explain yourself you have totally failed to provide any substantial evidence of anything wrong I think we can easily see where the problem is. Short between the headphones.

I keep explaining to you that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China. There are probably in some other countries, but not in Japan and Germany currently.
You \"explain\" many things, but you offer little in the way of evidence. So little it is indistinguishable from zero.

Even if the cars are built elsewhere, how do you know the parts aren\'t from China? That\'s the problem they have with conflict minerals and diamonds, there is never a sure way to know where they are from.

Since there is no evidence of any such problems in China, I\'ll ignore your posts on the matter.

People said the same about Hitler. Concentration camps did not exist. I\'ll bet my life with yours that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China.

 

[George Herold]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.
My brother bought a used 15\' motor boat for ~$2.5k
Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys.
(no girls allowed. :^)

Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades.
My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I
sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a
new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting
boatyard space.)

I\'m from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a
Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico.

We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard,
155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at
the helm. I \'bout lost my vocal chords \'requesting\' he slack off the
main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried
the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted
me skyward...jolly good fun!

It looked a bit like this:
https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html

Yikes, fun as long as you don\'t get banged by the boom.
The only ~sunfish* mishap I recall vividly is when we planted
the front half in a wave... boat on a broad reach. For a moment
I thought the boat was going to pop up backwards, but after coming
to a dead stop it mangled to shrug off the wave and continue on.
(slightly different tack afterwards :^)

George H.


*it was a bit bigger than a sunfish and no cockpit.

Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it
over and over, as we\'d no sooner get righted than knocked down again
(it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather
long enough for us to re-board).

(Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing
hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren\'t actually
going to die.)

In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before
sailing in, sunburned and smiling.

Good times!

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.
My brother bought a used 15\' motor boat for ~$2.5k
Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys.
(no girls allowed. :^)

Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades.
My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I
sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a
new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting
boatyard space.)

I\'m from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a
Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico.

We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard,
155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at
the helm. I \'bout lost my vocal chords \'requesting\' he slack off the
main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried
the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted
me skyward...jolly good fun!

It looked a bit like this:
https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html
Yikes, fun as long as you don\'t get banged by the boom.
The only ~sunfish* mishap I recall vividly is when we planted
the front half in a wave... boat on a broad reach. For a moment
I thought the boat was going to pop up backwards, but after coming
to a dead stop it mangled to shrug off the wave and continue on.
(slightly different tack afterwards :^)

George H.


*it was a bit bigger than a sunfish and no cockpit.

Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it
over and over, as we\'d no sooner get righted than knocked down again
(it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather
long enough for us to re-board).

(Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing
hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren\'t actually
going to die.)

In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before
sailing in, sunburned and smiling.

Good times!

Cheers,
James Arthur

In Lake Pontchartrain, if you flip a sunfish mid-lake, you can stick
the mast in the bottom. Makes it hard to flip it back over. Then you
have to clean the mud out of the rigging.

As they say, the lake is bottomless; it just gets thicker as you go
down.

And as they say, it\'s a good place to be from.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On 9/11/20 5:53 PM, Ricketty C wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 6:35:35 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
I keep explaining to you that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China. There are probably in some other countries, but not in Japan and Germany currently.

You \"explain\" many things, but you offer little in the way of evidence. So little it is indistinguishable from zero.

Even if the cars are built elsewhere, how do you know the parts aren\'t from China? That\'s the problem they have with conflict minerals and diamonds, there is never a sure way to know where they are from.

Since there is no evidence of any such problems in China, I\'ll ignore your posts on the matter.

Can I butt in? A Bing search \"are there concentration camps in
China?\" turned up several sources.
New York Post, National Review, Vox, Washington Post,
Wikipedia, AP News, MetroUk, NBC, and BBC UK all say there are.

Are they credible? Maybe using the same flawed source with no
corroboration?
Beats me, but they all seem to agree. Reeducation camp might be a
better term. A quick look didn\'t say anything about organ harvesting,
or out and out torture.

 

[Edward Lee]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 4:56:28 PM UTC-7, Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 9/11/20 5:53 PM, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 6:35:35 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
I keep explaining to you that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China. There are probably in some other countries, but not in Japan and Germany currently.

You \"explain\" many things, but you offer little in the way of evidence. So little it is indistinguishable from zero.

Even if the cars are built elsewhere, how do you know the parts aren\'t from China? That\'s the problem they have with conflict minerals and diamonds, there is never a sure way to know where they are from.

Since there is no evidence of any such problems in China, I\'ll ignore your posts on the matter.
Can I butt in? A Bing search \"are there concentration camps in
China?\" turned up several sources.
New York Post, National Review, Vox, Washington Post,
Wikipedia, AP News, MetroUk, NBC, and BBC UK all say there are.

Are they credible? Maybe using the same flawed source with no
corroboration?
Beats me, but they all seem to agree. Reeducation camp might be a
better term. A quick look didn\'t say anything about organ harvesting,
or out and out torture.

OK, reeducation camp with dark rooms, single user swimming pools (head in only), barted wire fences, electric patons, and guns of course.

There are price list for human organs in China. Deliveries in about a week.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 7:02:17 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 6:35:35 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:09:38 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.
So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

Apple earns major part of their profit from China.


What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

Tesla is ramping up productions in China.

Both companies have no plan of slowing down in China.
So the problem is we should not build anything in China?

Yes.

Tesla is ramping up production everywhere they build cars which is in the US and China presently and soon to be in Germany. So when they start making cars in Germany will you talk about the concentration camps there too? That\'s some bad juju.

No, there are no more concentration camps in Germany.

The fact that after three opportunities to explain yourself you have totally failed to provide any substantial evidence of anything wrong I think we can easily see where the problem is. Short between the headphones.

I keep explaining to you that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China. There are probably in some other countries, but not in Japan and Germany currently.
You \"explain\" many things, but you offer little in the way of evidence. So little it is indistinguishable from zero.

Even if the cars are built elsewhere, how do you know the parts aren\'t from China? That\'s the problem they have with conflict minerals and diamonds, there is never a sure way to know where they are from.

Since there is no evidence of any such problems in China, I\'ll ignore your posts on the matter.

People said the same about Hitler. Concentration camps did not exist. I\'ll bet my life with yours that there are forced labor camps, rape and torture camps, human organ farms in China.

Where did I say the camps do not exist??? I said you offer no evidence. I will also say you have repeatedly made other claims with no substantiation.. You clearly like to believe in conspiracies and I seem to recall you get this stuff from \"chat rooms\".

If evidence exists, why not present it???

I also said you are being irrational in thinking that making a product in China means that production is involved in such evil happenings any more than prefab houses made in Boise, Idaho using hammers made in China. Blood hammers.

--

Rick C.

--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[George Herold]

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 7:35:14 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-09-10 11:21, George Herold wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.
My brother bought a used 15\' motor boat for ~$2.5k
Used for fishing andd beer drinking with the boys.
(no girls allowed. :^)

Yeah, with a fibreglass boat you can keep it looking nice for decades.
My Hobie 16 was 20 years old when I bought it for $1200 and 29 when I
sold it on eBay for $1k. (I did buy a swoopy new trailer for $750 and a
new trampoline for $150, so my TCO was about $120 per year not counting
boatyard space.)

I\'m from a family of planing dinghy sailors, but I once cartwheeled a
Hobie-16 in the Gulf of Mexico.

We were screaming along on in a lively breeze, heeled dangerously hard,
155# sea salt me in trapeze and 200# noob owner on the trampoline astern at
the helm. I \'bout lost my vocal chords \'requesting\' he slack off the
main or luff up a bit, when a wee bitty puff heeled us a mite harder, we buried
the lee bow, the boat stopped instantaneously, and the wire catapulted
me skyward...jolly good fun!

It looked a bit like this:
https://southern-born-and-bred.blogspot.com/2011/06/wipeout-crew-sent-flying-as-new.html
Yikes, fun as long as you don\'t get banged by the boom.
The only ~sunfish* mishap I recall vividly is when we planted
the front half in a wave... boat on a broad reach. For a moment
I thought the boat was going to pop up backwards, but after coming
to a dead stop it mangled to shrug off the wave and continue on.
(slightly different tack afterwards :^)

George H.


*it was a bit bigger than a sunfish and no cockpit.

Righting the beast in the blow and chop was a bear and we had to do it
over and over, as we\'d no sooner get righted than knocked down again
(it took the skipper several tries to grok pointing into the weather
long enough for us to re-board).

(Also, there was that first delay during the time I needed to stop laughing
hysterically, then convince the first-outing skipper that we weren\'t actually
going to die.)

In the end we got the boat up and had a great deal more fun that day before
sailing in, sunburned and smiling.

Good times!

Cheers,
James Arthur

In Lake Pontchartrain, if you flip a sunfish mid-lake, you can stick
the mast in the bottom. Makes it hard to flip it back over. Then you
have to clean the mud out of the rigging.

As they say, the lake is bottomless; it just gets thicker as you go
down.

And as they say, it\'s a good place to be from.

Grin, Well \'round here if you can swim down and touch the plants
or mud on the bottom we call it a pond, or wet lands if it drys
out in the summer. :^)

Did the shallow bottom lead to big waves?

George H.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
\"Bunter\", he said, \"I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason\"

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 8:35:35 AM UTC+10, Edward Lee wrote:

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:09:38 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 5:02:30 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:03:18 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.
I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols.. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

It\'s a status of labor camp manufacturing. Although they are not directly from concentration camps, the infrastructures are supported by camp victims. That goes for Apple too. I am proud owner of non-Apple and non-Tesla products.
Do you drive cars that aren\'t made in labor camps as virtue signalling?

Do my best to avoid them if possible, but when it\'s out of my control, i have no choice.
So what cars are not made the same way as all others? I think you are complaining about Teslas when all the others are the same. I expect the Apple devices are produced pretty much the same way as other phones. The one difference is that the Apple phones are made so compact that it requires more manual labor since machines can\'t do the same jobs. So more people can be paid the relatively higher wages this type of assembly brings compared to many other jobs in those areas.

Apple earns major part of their profit from China.


What exactly are you complaining about with Teslas??? They make most of them in Fremont, CA. Are you saying the Fremont factory is a slave labor camp?

Tesla is ramping up productions in China.

Both companies have no plan of slowing down in China.
So the problem is we should not build anything in China?
Yes.
Tesla is ramping up production everywhere they build cars which is in the US and China presently and soon to be in Germany. So when they start making cars in Germany will you talk about the concentration camps there too? That\'s some bad juju.

No, there are no more concentration camps in Germany.

The fact that after three opportunities to explain yourself you have totally failed to provide any substantial evidence of anything wrong I think we can easily see where the problem is. Short between the headphones.

I keep explaining to you that there are forced labor camps,

But don\'t provide any links to the evidence for their existence. If you have prisoners who have been convicted of crimes, most countries put them to work - it certainly happens in the US.

> rape and torture camps,

Seems improbable. Re-education camps won\'t be pleasant places, but giving psychotic idiots free reign isn\'t going to reeducate anybody. It just wrecks the prisoners even more thoroughly.

> human organ farms in China.

The Chinese are reputed to harvest organs from executed criminals for transplantation, which sort of makes sense - the criminals have no further use for them. Larry Niven wrote a few science fiction stories about the down-side of this approach, with the death penalty being brought in for fairly minor offenses, such as repeated traffic violations. Human organ farms don\'t make any sense at all.

> There are probably in some other countries, but not in Japan and Germany currently.

Where \"probably\" seems to mean that right-wing nut-cases can imagine them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Mark]

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-4, Edward Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:01 AM UTC-7, Bill Martin wrote:
On 9/9/20 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Up here in the country, I see a lot of motor boats parked in
driveways. I suspect that most are seldom or never used.

I got curious about cost. Seems like a dinky outboard motor costs
$1000, and some are $8K or $25K or even $45K. And a serious speed
freak will hang three on the stern.

I can envision some domestic discord.



You do know that the classic definition of \"boat\" is a hole in the water
which you pour money into...

Or a Tesla on water. Status symbol.

I only wish Tesla would make a boat. That would be awesome to be able to break 50 on the water with hardly a sound.

I think it\'s funny that you think Teslas are status symbols. I guess they are... to you. Most people who drive them just think they are nice cars.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
https://www.purewatercraft.com/

I\'ve been told it\'s eerie going flat out without the (2 cycle) outboard noise.

-Mark