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GeoffC
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Will do.
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Jeßus
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In article <7gpjv4F2qrpqbU1@mid.individual.net>, phil_a@tpg.com.au
said...
:
:"Ross Herbert"
:>
:> I noticed in Woolworths today that there was a large quantity of what
:> looked
:> like regular pearl BC Philips incandesent lamps on display. The box
:> claimed they
:> used 30% less energy than the normal incandescent of the same light
:> output - 53W
:> for 850 lumens (equivalent to a 75W standard incandescent bulb) for 2000
:> hours.
:> A closer inspection showed that inside the normal pearl glass envelope, on
:> top
:> of the glass central pillar where the suspension filament is usually
:> mounted,
:> sat an incandescent luminaire bulb. A bulb with a bulb as it were. But
:> still, in
:> my book, and incandescent lamp. Apparently, the Australian government,
:> whilst
:> banning the importation of the old type incandescent lamps, does not
:> classify
:> this newer type of incandescent bulb as incandescent. Or has Philips
:> discovered
:> a loophole in the legislation?
:
:
:** Not a loophole - but a deliberate exception.
:
:So called " high efficiency incandescent " ( ie quartz halogen ) lamps are
:still allowed on sale for the present in BC and ES styles.
:
:That bulb within a bulb is a 240 volt halogen type - the filament runs
:hotter so it has more efficiency - the halogen cycle gives it a longer
:average life - ie 2000 instead of 1000 hrs.
:
:Cost about $3 or $4 each and only sold in clear glass types by Woollies.
:
:They removed all normal GLS bulbs from sale in February this year ( the
:toady, goodie two shoes they are ) and began stocking the expensive Philips
nes you saw at the same time.
:
:IF you need infinite DIMMABILITY or the instant, full illumination of a
:filament lamp - for the bathroom or other cold place that CFLs are BLOODY
:HOPELESS for - buy a bunch of them NOW !!
:
:Cos they will be banned TOO in a couple of years time.
:
:BTW:
:
o the planet a favour .....
:
unch the next Greenie you meet light's out !!
Yeah, you're clearly incapable of doing that yourself.
said...
:
:"Ross Herbert"
:>
:> I noticed in Woolworths today that there was a large quantity of what
:> looked
:> like regular pearl BC Philips incandesent lamps on display. The box
:> claimed they
:> used 30% less energy than the normal incandescent of the same light
:> output - 53W
:> for 850 lumens (equivalent to a 75W standard incandescent bulb) for 2000
:> hours.
:> A closer inspection showed that inside the normal pearl glass envelope, on
:> top
:> of the glass central pillar where the suspension filament is usually
:> mounted,
:> sat an incandescent luminaire bulb. A bulb with a bulb as it were. But
:> still, in
:> my book, and incandescent lamp. Apparently, the Australian government,
:> whilst
:> banning the importation of the old type incandescent lamps, does not
:> classify
:> this newer type of incandescent bulb as incandescent. Or has Philips
:> discovered
:> a loophole in the legislation?
:
:
:** Not a loophole - but a deliberate exception.
:
:So called " high efficiency incandescent " ( ie quartz halogen ) lamps are
:still allowed on sale for the present in BC and ES styles.
:
:That bulb within a bulb is a 240 volt halogen type - the filament runs
:hotter so it has more efficiency - the halogen cycle gives it a longer
:average life - ie 2000 instead of 1000 hrs.
:
:Cost about $3 or $4 each and only sold in clear glass types by Woollies.
:
:They removed all normal GLS bulbs from sale in February this year ( the
:toady, goodie two shoes they are ) and began stocking the expensive Philips
nes you saw at the same time.:
:IF you need infinite DIMMABILITY or the instant, full illumination of a
:filament lamp - for the bathroom or other cold place that CFLs are BLOODY
:HOPELESS for - buy a bunch of them NOW !!
:
:Cos they will be banned TOO in a couple of years time.
:
:BTW:
:
o the planet a favour .....:
unch the next Greenie you meet light's out !!Yeah, you're clearly incapable of doing that yourself.
K
KR
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On Sep 9, 10:04 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Saw these on the weekend when in there.
$2.50 each in woolies in QLD.
Saw these on the weekend when in there.
K
KR
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On Sep 9, 10:01 pm, GeoffC <Y...@email.com> wrote:
What a Coincidence - Saw these in Woolies on Saturday too. They were
$2.50 each (cant remember if it was a special or not).
Bit ridiculous when you could buy proper bulbs for about 30% of the
price a few months back.
Im glad I bought stock of real bulbs earlier in the year.
Only paid attention because I thought they were "real" bulbs at first
glance.
Note - these arent new, Woolies had another major brand of these about
a year back, a lot cheaper too. (75c rings a bell)
Was going to post on here about it at the time, but forgot all about
it.
What a Coincidence - Saw these in Woolies on Saturday too. They were
$2.50 each (cant remember if it was a special or not).
Bit ridiculous when you could buy proper bulbs for about 30% of the
price a few months back.
Im glad I bought stock of real bulbs earlier in the year.
Only paid attention because I thought they were "real" bulbs at first
glance.
Note - these arent new, Woolies had another major brand of these about
a year back, a lot cheaper too. (75c rings a bell)
Was going to post on here about it at the time, but forgot all about
it.
K
KR
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On Sep 9, 10:04 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Give them lead poisoning, via a bullet straight through the head.
Beware the implosion from the vacuum in there suddenly being "let down
to air".
Stand well back.
Better still
Give them lead poisoning, via a bullet straight through the head.
Beware the implosion from the vacuum in there suddenly being "let down
to air".
Stand well back.
R
Ross Herbert
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On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:01:19 +0000 (UTC), GeoffC <Your@email.com> wrote:
:Ross Herbert <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in
:news:ak3fa518crl2egu1keif71qs75vn1avhoc@4ax.com:
:
:> I noticed in Woolworths today that there was a large quantity of what
:> looked like regular pearl BC Philips incandesent lamps on display. The
:> box claimed they used 30% less energy than the normal incandescent of
:> the same light output - 53W for 850 lumens (equivalent to a 75W
:> standard incandescent bulb) for 2000 hours. A closer inspection showed
:> that inside the normal pearl glass envelope, on top of the glass
:> central pillar where the suspension filament is usually mounted, sat
:> an incandescent luminaire bulb. A bulb with a bulb as it were. But
:> still, in my book, and incandescent lamp. Apparently, the Australian
:> government, whilst banning the importation of the old type
:> incandescent lamps, does not classify this newer type of incandescent
:> bulb as incandescent. Or has Philips discovered a loophole in the
:> legislation?
:>
:
:What was the price Ross?
In Karrinyup Woolies they were $3.76. I note that KR quotes $2.50 so unless that
price was a "special" we are getting ripped off in WA as usual.
:Ross Herbert <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in
:news:ak3fa518crl2egu1keif71qs75vn1avhoc@4ax.com:
:
:> I noticed in Woolworths today that there was a large quantity of what
:> looked like regular pearl BC Philips incandesent lamps on display. The
:> box claimed they used 30% less energy than the normal incandescent of
:> the same light output - 53W for 850 lumens (equivalent to a 75W
:> standard incandescent bulb) for 2000 hours. A closer inspection showed
:> that inside the normal pearl glass envelope, on top of the glass
:> central pillar where the suspension filament is usually mounted, sat
:> an incandescent luminaire bulb. A bulb with a bulb as it were. But
:> still, in my book, and incandescent lamp. Apparently, the Australian
:> government, whilst banning the importation of the old type
:> incandescent lamps, does not classify this newer type of incandescent
:> bulb as incandescent. Or has Philips discovered a loophole in the
:> legislation?
:>
:
:What was the price Ross?
In Karrinyup Woolies they were $3.76. I note that KR quotes $2.50 so unless that
price was a "special" we are getting ripped off in WA as usual.
R
Ross Herbert
Guest
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:16:20 -0700 (PDT), KR <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:
:
:Beware the implosion from the vacuum in there suddenly being "let down
:to air".
:Stand well back.
I bought one as a replacement for a brand new Philips CFL spiral type which just
broke apart in my hand as I was inserting it into the desk lamp the previous
day. Luckily, no damage to my hand resulted. They sure aren't very strong if the
bayonet pins or the lamp socket are a bit stiff and don't allow easy insertion,
so watch out for this hazard with CFL's.
:
:Beware the implosion from the vacuum in there suddenly being "let down
:to air".
:Stand well back.
I bought one as a replacement for a brand new Philips CFL spiral type which just
broke apart in my hand as I was inserting it into the desk lamp the previous
day. Luckily, no damage to my hand resulted. They sure aren't very strong if the
bayonet pins or the lamp socket are a bit stiff and don't allow easy insertion,
so watch out for this hazard with CFL's.
J
john smith
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"|-|erc" <h@r.c> wrote in message
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the manufacture?
Are they prone to failure sooner then the CRT TV's, like failed pixels,
failed power supply etc?
Are they prone to fail more frequently like the new wonder globes the CFL's?
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How many years of service do you get out of these new TV's, how reliable is
the manufacture?
Are they prone to failure sooner then the CRT TV's, like failed pixels,
failed power supply etc?
Are they prone to fail more frequently like the new wonder globes the CFL's?
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|-|erc
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"john smith" <somone@microsoft.com> wrote >
Ironically CRTs use more complicated technology, an array of LEDs or LCD pixels has
nothing to it, just a guess that they should fare pretty well. I did get a stuffed pixel
on a 4 inch TV, every time the room scanned left or right it looked like someone was
shining a laser pointer in the set. Had to take it back, Dick Smith staff were not amused
about this 1 pixel. That was 12 year old tech though.
Herc
There's a 5 year warranty for an extra $400. So most of them should last that long.
Ironically CRTs use more complicated technology, an array of LEDs or LCD pixels has
nothing to it, just a guess that they should fare pretty well. I did get a stuffed pixel
on a 4 inch TV, every time the room scanned left or right it looked like someone was
shining a laser pointer in the set. Had to take it back, Dick Smith staff were not amused
about this 1 pixel. That was 12 year old tech though.
Herc
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Mr.T
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"|-|erc" <h@r.c> wrote in message
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Because so many don't, and they are often unrepairable for less than
replacement price, the 5 year warranty is usually worth it.
It should be standard, and probably would be if the overwhelming majority of
sets actually lasted that long.
MrT.
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Power supplies seem to be a common problem area.
Because so many don't, and they are often unrepairable for less than
replacement price, the 5 year warranty is usually worth it.
It should be standard, and probably would be if the overwhelming majority of
sets actually lasted that long.
You are right, they *should*. Pity many don't.
MrT.
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annily
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john smith wrote:
probably are.
CFLs are prone to fail more frequently than what? CRT TVs? Yes, they
probably are.
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Mr.T
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"annily" <annily@ihopethisdoesntexist.com> wrote in message
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MrT.
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Than what they claim for starters.
MrT.
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annily
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Mr.T wrote:
K
KR
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On Sep 10, 12:01 pm, Ross Herbert <rherb...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Sorry I made a mistake on that price,
I was in Woolworths again today, the QH bulbs for $2.50 are NOT the
"Philips" brand discussed here, they were the "Woolworths essentials"
brand.
(The Philips ones were also $3.76 at our Woolies store.)
"Woolworths Essentials" QH bulbs, look like an identical product
though, (wattage, size, shape) and probably would have much the same
specs as per Phil's tests ?.
Sorry I made a mistake on that price,
I was in Woolworths again today, the QH bulbs for $2.50 are NOT the
"Philips" brand discussed here, they were the "Woolworths essentials"
brand.
(The Philips ones were also $3.76 at our Woolies store.)
"Woolworths Essentials" QH bulbs, look like an identical product
though, (wattage, size, shape) and probably would have much the same
specs as per Phil's tests ?.
S
son of a bitch
Guest
Mr.T wrote:
old Grandpa (CRT) will easily out live the LCD's Kids and possibly even
the LCD's Kids,Kids.
It's quite hostile inside a CRT with up to 30,000 volts, influenced by
the earth Magnetism and are basically a hit/miss affair it is a miracle
they actually work as well as they do.
CRT's should fail more often but they don't. If a LCD had kids then
old Grandpa (CRT) will easily out live the LCD's Kids and possibly even
the LCD's Kids,Kids.
It's quite hostile inside a CRT with up to 30,000 volts, influenced by
the earth Magnetism and are basically a hit/miss affair it is a miracle
they actually work as well as they do.
P
Phil Allison
Guest
"KR"
I was in Woolworths again today, the QH bulbs for $2.50 are NOT the
"Philips" brand discussed here, they were the "Woolworths essentials"
brand.
(The Philips ones were also $3.76 at our Woolies store.)
"Woolworths Essentials" QH bulbs, look like an identical product
though, (wattage, size, shape) and probably would have much the same
specs as per Phil's tests ?.
** The "Essentials" brand lamps are made in China, as opposed to Poland for
the Philips ones.
The glass envelope is considerably smaller than the Philips ones - which is
a match for standard incandescent lamps.
Light output is just a tad less than the Philips - with same 76 watt
consumption and 2000 hour life claim.
.... Phil
Sorry I made a mistake on that price,
I was in Woolworths again today, the QH bulbs for $2.50 are NOT the
"Philips" brand discussed here, they were the "Woolworths essentials"
brand.
(The Philips ones were also $3.76 at our Woolies store.)
"Woolworths Essentials" QH bulbs, look like an identical product
though, (wattage, size, shape) and probably would have much the same
specs as per Phil's tests ?.
** The "Essentials" brand lamps are made in China, as opposed to Poland for
the Philips ones.
The glass envelope is considerably smaller than the Philips ones - which is
a match for standard incandescent lamps.
Light output is just a tad less than the Philips - with same 76 watt
consumption and 2000 hour life claim.
.... Phil
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Mr.T
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"annily" <annily@ihopethisdoesntexist.com> wrote in message
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left on. My old style fluoro tubes easily outlast them by a factor of ten!
And leaving a CFL on in the bathroom, toilet, ensuite etc. is *far* less
efficient than turning an incandescent on only when it's needed!
MrT.
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I have never had one last as long as claimed whether or not they are usually
left on. My old style fluoro tubes easily outlast them by a factor of ten!
And leaving a CFL on in the bathroom, toilet, ensuite etc. is *far* less
efficient than turning an incandescent on only when it's needed!
MrT.
M
Mr.T
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"son of a bitch" <bitchin_2008@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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reliability of the older CRT TV's.
Pity most don't :-(
MrT.
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Yep, and even more amazing that LCD's and Plasma's can't at least equal the
reliability of the older CRT TV's.
Pity most don't :-(
MrT.
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Australia Mining Pioneer
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There will be only 10 min left for some to scram to safety ! .
...unless taking measures right now !
IT WILL BE TOO LATE THEN !
While people in Mt Barker, duly able to anticipate the catastrophe
will be watching the scenario unfold while sipping a cuppa tea !
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper &
Gold Mine)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
for background info.
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
"True Geology" Foundation Document
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
"Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanity
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
15m HIGH, 270 Km LONG, 300 Km/h CRASHING THRUST !
There will be only 10 min left for some to scram to safety ! .
...unless taking measures right now !
IT WILL BE TOO LATE THEN !
While people in Mt Barker, duly able to anticipate the catastrophe
will be watching the scenario unfold while sipping a cuppa tea !
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper &
Gold Mine)
Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Founder of the True Geology
~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One Never Forgiven ~
for background info.
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm
"True Geology" Foundation Document
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69327
"Turcaud Bath" as a free gift to Suffering Humanity
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107947
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Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology wrote:
KangaStain should sell tickets for your spectacle.