PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:33:57 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:34:37 +1100, rigg wrote:

I have a tv modulator, ch0 46MHz, and I want to boost its output with a
simple one transistor amp connected to a short antenna so it will transmit
up to about 20 metres. I was thinking of using a 2N3866 in a class C
configuration with a 12v supply. Can someome give me advice on how to select
values or provide a simple circuit so I can do this? I am not sure how to
pick values when using a short antenna of 30 cm. I assume matching
impedances must come into this somehow... I have seen lots of circuits on
the web but they are for much lower frequencies. Thanks Rigg

With proper antennas on each end, what you already have should be able
to cover 20 meters distance, with no problem.

Well, except that a 1/2 wave dipole is a little over 3 meters long.
Click to expand...
Overkill. The modest range could be achieved with the 30cm (or
whatever) wire taken from a suitable tapping point on the tank coil.
That should be all the matching necessary.
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.
 
such questions are good questions and large signal RF amplifier design is an
involved subject. I've never met many (any?) people locally with these
skills and I have only limited ability in this area however, I suggest the
following;

1. Perform a class A dc bias design.. .ie... probably no collector
resistor... only an emitter resistor setting max collector current.
2. Choke the collector supply line with a RF choke (10uH probably will do).
( you could also use a tank here... but dampen it with a resistor for a
wideband signal)
3. Bypass any emitter resistor you have with a suitably high capacitor (1nF
will probably do)
4. determine from the spec sheets the equivalent input/output impedance of
the transistor at the supply current levels set in the bias design at the
frequency of interest.
5. design an output matching circuit to match the input impedance of the
antenna under test (eg. if using a 50ohm whip) to the transistor output
impedance via a dc blocking cap (1nF again). For a short wire, impedance may
be high and you could probably dispense with the output matching circuit by
feeding directly to the collector.
6. design an input matching circuit to match the 50 ohm driver to the
transistor input impedance via a dc blocking cap (1nF again).

(no 4 is the trickiest as not all manufacturers include that info)

bindy

"rigg" <riggdm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4192c4ff$1@news.alphalink.com.au...
I have a tv modulator, ch0 46MHz, and I want to boost its output with a
simple one transistor amp connected to a short antenna so it will transmit
up to about 20 metres. I was thinking of using a 2N3866 in a class C
configuration with a 12v supply. Can someome give me advice on how to
select
values or provide a simple circuit so I can do this? I am not sure how to
pick values when using a short antenna of 30 cm. I assume matching
impedances must come into this somehow... I have seen lots of circuits on
the web but they are for much lower frequencies. Thanks Rigg
Click to expand...
 
This is sounding a little tricky for me...I don't suppose someone has some
simple circuits I can work with. Like I said I am using a rf modulator on
channel 0, Australian channel 46 MHz and want to feed a short antenna...any
help is really appreciated...Rigg



"bin" <bin@bin.com> wrote in message
news:4193858c$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
such questions are good questions and large signal RF amplifier design is
an
involved subject. I've never met many (any?) people locally with these
skills and I have only limited ability in this area however, I suggest the
following;

1. Perform a class A dc bias design.. .ie... probably no collector
resistor... only an emitter resistor setting max collector current.
2. Choke the collector supply line with a RF choke (10uH probably will
do).
( you could also use a tank here... but dampen it with a resistor for a
wideband signal)
3. Bypass any emitter resistor you have with a suitably high capacitor
(1nF
will probably do)
4. determine from the spec sheets the equivalent input/output impedance of
the transistor at the supply current levels set in the bias design at the
frequency of interest.
5. design an output matching circuit to match the input impedance of the
antenna under test (eg. if using a 50ohm whip) to the transistor output
impedance via a dc blocking cap (1nF again). For a short wire, impedance
may
be high and you could probably dispense with the output matching circuit
by
feeding directly to the collector.
6. design an input matching circuit to match the 50 ohm driver to the
transistor input impedance via a dc blocking cap (1nF again).

(no 4 is the trickiest as not all manufacturers include that info)

bindy

"rigg" <riggdm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4192c4ff$1@news.alphalink.com.au...
I have a tv modulator, ch0 46MHz, and I want to boost its output with a
simple one transistor amp connected to a short antenna so it will
transmit
up to about 20 metres. I was thinking of using a 2N3866 in a class C
configuration with a 12v supply. Can someome give me advice on how to
select
values or provide a simple circuit so I can do this? I am not sure how to
pick values when using a short antenna of 30 cm. I assume matching
impedances must come into this somehow... I have seen lots of circuits on
the web but they are for much lower frequencies. Thanks Rigg
Click to expand...
 
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:52:49 +1100, rigg wrote:

A camera mounted on a robot for inspecting heating ducts under my house....

You will be chastised for top-posting, you know. ;-)
Click to expand...

Haven't bothered to look back at the rest of the thread, but if your
ductwork is metal, then forget about an RF link. If it doesn't have to
climb walls, any ordinary remote-controlled model car could do the
job, with just the cam mounted on it somewhere. It would have to be
geared down dramatically, but that in itself sounds like a fun project.

It has to be massive enough to be able to drag some wires behind it.
And that's about the only requirement, unless, of course, you _are_
working on a wall-climbing robot. ;-)

Good Luck!
Rich

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:2vifjcF2m8s4lU1@uni-berlin.de...

"rigg"
This is sounding a little tricky for me...I don't suppose someone has
some simple circuits I can work with. Like I said I am using a rf
modulator on channel 0, Australian channel 46 MHz and want to feed a
short antenna...any help is really appreciated...Rigg




** How about you say what the application is ???

Camera mounted on a toy vehicle by any chance ??




............ Phil
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In article <2vpvdvF2ntba7U1@uni-berlin.de> in nz.comp on Mon, 15 Nov 2004
10:01:44 +1300, The Flash <null@null.com> says...
Hello, I remebmber seeing a post on some time ago about fixing gentle annie
washing machines, sure enough our one has broken down again! (It had the LV
martins 5 year thing on it and seemed to require fixing every year or so for
some problem!) And people who read this group have some good ideas on things

What I would like to find is what the fault is and what it should cost to
fix, as a couple of freinds of ours have had terrible experiances getting
their gentle annie fixed (their last bill was over $500 to have a new pump
and a recond controller fitted!)

So the questions I would like answered if possible,

1)How do i go into diagnostics mode and how do I interprate the readout?

2) Should I purchase the parts and fit them myself? (I have changed the
controller in an FP Electronic dryer ok but MAN they made it hard to get the
controller!)

3) If the answer to 2 is yes who is the best source for parts in the hutt
vally / wellinton area?

4)If the answer is No to 2, Who should I contact that can do the job and not
rip me blind on billing?

Thanks all.
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Repost to aus.electronics
 
Now, that's impressive. Well done guys.

"Steve" <z52723@gottaremovethis.airborn.com.au> wrote in message
news:ai1od.1878$ob1.34666@nasal.pacific.net.au...
For a few years now we have made available a video
driver for Protel Autotrax (a DOS PCB layout package).
These video drivers run under VESA bios and allow
Autotrax to be used at higher screen resolutions than
the rather limiting 640 x 480 that VGA otherwise provides.

Vesa drivers: http://airborn.com.au/layout/easytrax.html

However these days not all video adaptors have good VESA
support, - its getting out of date. We now have another
driver, written specifically for XP, using directx

New driver: http://airborn.com.au/layout/autoxpdv.html

This new driver is still in "Beta trial" but offers an
alternative to people who want to use Autotrax (which
is now free from Altium) on newer machines.
Both drivers are free and open source.

Regards
Steve
www.airborn.com.au
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:22:29 +1300, roger.s@p.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:12:40 +1100, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:30:22 +1300, roger.s@para.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

I need to get one of these IC's for a Project, so could try Sony but I need a
Sony Part No.

Unable to find it listed any ware else.

Prime Electronics (http://www.prime-electronics.com.au) list a
CXA1645M for around $44.

Part number LMCXA1645M
Description 8-752-068-43

The "M" version is the same chip in a different package.
See http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/cxa1645.pdf

Thanks.

Yes the more expensive Mobil version..
Click to expand...
"Mobil" is an oil company. The "M" denotes a plastic SOP package,
whereas "P" is a plastic dual inline package. They appear to be
electrically identical except for their max power dissipation ratings.

No I am After a Sony Part No.
Click to expand...
You already have *two* Sony part numbers. You gave us the first,
CXA1645P, and I gave you the second, 8-752-068-43. The latter is
actually a Sony part number even though their parts distributor, Prime
Electronics, refers to it as a "description".


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.
 
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:nre8q096q336agafc3utqtkehen5al89u7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:22:29 +1300, roger.s@p.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:12:40 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:30:22 +1300, roger.s@para.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

I need to get one of these IC's for a Project, so could try Sony but I
need a
Sony Part No.

Unable to find it listed any ware else.

Prime Electronics (http://www.prime-electronics.com.au) list a
CXA1645M for around $44.

Part number LMCXA1645M
Description 8-752-068-43

The "M" version is the same chip in a different package.
See http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/cxa1645.pdf

Thanks.

Yes the more expensive Mobil version..

"Mobil" is an oil company. The "M" denotes a plastic SOP package,
whereas "P" is a plastic dual inline package. They appear to be
electrically identical except for their max power dissipation ratings.

No I am After a Sony Part No.

You already have *two* Sony part numbers. You gave us the first,
CXA1645P, and I gave you the second, 8-752-068-43. The latter is
actually a Sony part number even though their parts distributor, Prime
Electronics, refers to it as a "description".


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.
Click to expand...
Radiospares have the 'P' version.

Ken
 
"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote in message
news:_7Yod.11147$9A.230908@news.xtra.co.nz...
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:nre8q096q336agafc3utqtkehen5al89u7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:22:29 +1300, roger.s@p.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:12:40 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:30:22 +1300, roger.s@para.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

I need to get one of these IC's for a Project, so could try Sony but
I
need a
Sony Part No.

Unable to find it listed any ware else.

Prime Electronics (http://www.prime-electronics.com.au) list a
CXA1645M for around $44.

Part number LMCXA1645M
Description 8-752-068-43

The "M" version is the same chip in a different package.
See http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/cxa1645.pdf

Thanks.

Yes the more expensive Mobil version..

"Mobil" is an oil company. The "M" denotes a plastic SOP package,
whereas "P" is a plastic dual inline package. They appear to be
electrically identical except for their max power dissipation ratings.

No I am After a Sony Part No.

You already have *two* Sony part numbers. You gave us the first,
CXA1645P, and I gave you the second, 8-752-068-43. The latter is
actually a Sony part number even though their parts distributor, Prime
Electronics, refers to it as a "description".


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

Radiospares have the 'P' version.

Ken

Hmmm, part number 215-5012, listed in the NZ site as 'unavailable' but as
Click to expand...
out-of-stock in UK. Not sure of the difference but either is probably
unhelpful.

Ken
 
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:13:46 +1300, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote in message
news:_7Yod.11147$9A.230908@news.xtra.co.nz...
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:nre8q096q336agafc3utqtkehen5al89u7@4ax.com...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:22:29 +1300, roger.s@p.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:12:40 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:30:22 +1300, roger.s@para.net.nz put finger to
keyboard and composed:

I need to get one of these IC's for a Project, so could try Sony but
I
need a
Sony Part No.

Unable to find it listed any ware else.

Prime Electronics (http://www.prime-electronics.com.au) list a
CXA1645M for around $44.

Part number LMCXA1645M
Description 8-752-068-43

The "M" version is the same chip in a different package.
See http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/cxa1645.pdf

Thanks.

Yes the more expensive Mobil version..

"Mobil" is an oil company. The "M" denotes a plastic SOP package,
whereas "P" is a plastic dual inline package. They appear to be
electrically identical except for their max power dissipation ratings.

No I am After a Sony Part No.

You already have *two* Sony part numbers. You gave us the first,
CXA1645P, and I gave you the second, 8-752-068-43. The latter is
actually a Sony part number even though their parts distributor, Prime
Electronics, refers to it as a "description".


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

Radiospares have the 'P' version.

Ken

Hmmm, part number 215-5012, listed in the NZ site as 'unavailable' but as
out-of-stock in UK. Not sure of the difference but either is probably
unhelpful.
Click to expand...
The "P" version is available from http://www.rsaustralia.com/, cost is
AU$23.20 plus tax. The RS part number is 215-5102.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.
 
"Richard Freeman" <Nospam@diespammerscum.com> wrote SNIP

--

Not relevant to aus.culture.ultimo.

Please that this stuff away.

T.
 
Go away you cheese eating surrender monkey.

HISTORY OF FRENCH WARFARE

Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000
years of French history, France is conquered by, of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic
who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's
armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever
lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages
to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the
other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as
chapeaux.

The Dutch War - Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War -
Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded
Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French
military power.

War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their
first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to
future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists
saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and
leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when
America does most of the fighting."

French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was
also French.

The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for
a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk
Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the
United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not
only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein."
Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any
improvement in the French bloodline.

World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and
Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with
the Dien Bien Fu.

Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army
by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First
Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is
identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans,
English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history,
surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender
to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
 
Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud wrote:

I find it extremely fascinating to notice how you bloody morons are yapping
Click to expand...
Whatever was I thinking about when I removed the "Turcaud" entry
from my killfile list yesterday ?

Oh well, here we go again, "Tools ->Message Filters->...."
 
um yeah, righto,........what sorta drugs u on? the crap u typed out NOBODY
understands.


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"Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" <Sir Turcaudl@true_geology.edu> wrote in message
news:41b25c86$0$9065$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
I find it extremely fascinating to notice how you bloody morons are
yapping
endlessly on you fucken aus.ngs, completely impervious to the DDD (
Divine
Drudging Drought ) ravaging the land. The only proper explanation _ to me
in
any case _ is that population of keyboard bangers you represent, is
completely self-centred and completely impervious to what goes outside the
window ! I guess to make you move your fucken fat Toads' arses, you need
the
next door house to be on fire ? Hey Bastards ?

Just like Cancer plagued Howard, Costel'eau ( much needed item too ),
that
Gallop quack in WA with his bedside manners and Drippy Lawrence, Squeezy
Smithy ... + all others I don't bother to name, WHEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY
WILL
BE IN FIRE SOON, they will not care less about it indeed ! WHY ???

Simply because like most of you Bastards, I am sure, their fat pay check
will nevertheless fall at the end the week ! Correct ?

You kicked the Rainman out of the Country, stupid Imbeciles, motivated by
your
usual greed and lack of oversight ... and now you are in the middle of
that
blessed DDD, and don't invoke alleged Global Warming to explain it , Fools
!
Rain and foremost uprise water are independent of that phenomena !

THE ANSWER IS THAT YOUR COLLECTIVE CRIME BROUGHT UPON YOUR FUCKEN HEAD
THAT
MUCH DESERVED
PUNISHMENT INDEED !

HONOUR TO THE MASTER OF ETERNAL JUSTICE, OUR LOVING CELTIC GOD, WHOM I
HAVE
REQUESTED TO PUNISH YOU ALL BASTARDS !

PRAISE BE TO HIM WHO VISIT THE WICKED RIGHT UP TO THE THIRD GENERATION
!!!!

In any case here is down below some alleged solution, and YOU WILL HAVE
INDEED to be happy with that until I return to
Australia to visit my mining properties ! ...BUT there are conditions to
that return of course, and one of the foremost is the convening of the
Promised Royal Inquiry into Newmont , Newcrest, BHP, BORAL, Western
Mining
Corporation etc 's Mining & Financial Crimes ! A Royal Inquiry required
by
late WA Attorney General The Right Hon T.D Evans in the WA Parliament on
those Mining Criminals ' most heinous behaviour !!! ... and until those
aforesaid Mining Gangsters of Newmont , Newcrest, BHP, BORAL, Western
Mining Corporation are put behind bars !

You don't want THAT ROYAL INQUIRY ? Your rotten-to-the-core & bought-up
Political Class does not want the Promised Royal Inquiry ? Those WA rags
of
the West Australian and Sunday Times blowflies _ they usually call
themselves journalists _ keep crawling in front of the Mining Criminals
and
willingly occult the Truth ? The most famous WA Police Force, the best in
the world, the one who briefed the WA Attorney General Evans on the huge
amounts paid underhand by Newmont to Boral Directors ( controlling then
Narla ) & to Day Dawn Directors to fraudulously scuttle their very own
companies, is maintained in check by a serial of corrupt WA Parliament &
Premiers starting with Sir Corrupt Court ( with his evil meanester
Mansaros ) , followed by Burke, Dowding, Lawrence, Ltttle Court and ending
now with that Gallop bloke ( going soon to be walked out of his box, by
the
way ) , and therefore prevented from bringing the Mining Criminals to
Justice ! The Land Dpt, The Mining Dp, the Australian Mining Committee on
Ethics, the ASIC ... all parties in a huge Australian wide Conspiracy
aimed
at destroying an Australian Mining Pioneer and Lone Discoverer indeed of
the
Great Sandy Desert Richness ... and French Migrant to boost ! ...
Something
completely unacceptable to those fat arses cunts indeed !!!


QUOTE

Colin Campbell's Gardening Tips
Jane Edmanson's "In the garden"
Grow Talk with Ian Thomas
What's new Problem Solver
Material Safety Data Sheets
Company Information
Home

Drought-Proofing Your Garden

Dry dams and waterholes, parched and cracking soil baked hard
by
the sun, starving animals searching desperately for food. These images
have
become all too familiar over the last few months as more and more of
Australia falls into the drought's grip.
Thankfully for gardeners, nothing is quite this desperate.
Gardens do suffer during dry periods however and water restrictions are
starting to be applied in many locations across the country. Making the
most
of the available water to maintain your garden in as good condition as
possible can be achieved with some sensible precautions.

UNQUOTE

Well try that, but let me tell you something Bastards, YOUR LITTLE
CONVICTS
' GAME IS FINISHED IN THE FACE OF THE MOST DEVASTATING DDD !
But, you still don't want to recognise your Collective Crime, and you
pretend going on with your little toady Conspiracy of Silence in the face
of
that most ominous sound of the roaring fires going up everywhere, burning
everything & everyone indiscriminately !
Are you all completely mad, fucken Australian Toads ?

Let me give you a word of advice : the sooner that Promised Royal Inquiry
is
convened, the better it will be for you !
Indeed, I will not return to Australia until all things are settled from
here !

.... AND THE RAIN WILL ONLY COME BACK THE VERY DAY I SET FOOT ON THAT
PLACE
I USED TO LOVE SO MUCH !!!

No regards


Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer, Kintyre & Nifty Mines
The Great Sandy Desert.of Australia
Discoverer of the South Atlantic Submarine Gold Placers
( 40 Millions Tons estimate )
FOUNDER OF THE TRUE GEOLOGY

"THE GOLDEN RULE"
"Gold and Intrigue in the Desert"
"The true story of the discovery of the Telfer gold mine"
Author : Bob Sheppard, President of the Australian Prospectors' Union
Author's contact & web page : www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/
Order from : Hesperian Press, PO Box 317 Victoria Park, 6979 W.Australia.
AUS 40.00 + post

Published in Perth 15th December 2002


to Australia Greatest & True Geologist 's Site
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/index.html


~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
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I did not participate in this thread. Someone must have faked my email
address and name (again).

Clear skies,

Jonathan
 
"Jonathan Gore" <jonathan.g@vol.com> wrote


I did not participate in this thread. Someone must have faked my email
address and name (again).

***What thread????????

Brian Goldsmith.
 
Brian Goldsmith wrote:
***What thread????????
Click to expand...
This thread:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/aus.electronics/browse_thread/thread/5e27a649d4fc04d1

(I hope it works, threads seem to just disappear sometimes on the new
Google Groups.)

Jonathan Gore
 
"Brian Goldsmith"
"Jonathan Gore"


I did not participate in this thread. Someone must have faked my email
address and name (again).

***What thread????????
Click to expand...

** One from TWO years ago !!!


I see it, but I doan believe it ........



............ Phil
 
"Jonathan Gore" <jonathan.g@vol.com> wrote in message
news:ijNtd.9297$Va5.93@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Brian Goldsmith wrote:
***What thread????????
Click to expand...
This thread:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/aus.electronics/browse_thread/thread/5e27a649d4fc04d1

(I hope it works, threads seem to just disappear sometimes on the new
Google Groups.)

Jonathan Gore


***From December 2002?????? WTF?

Brian Goldsmith.
 
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