PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

Hate to show my ignorance, but what is a PT78T112V?
I have searched the web and nothing shows up.
HH
"Rob Judd" <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote in message
news:3F782F29.18BE4D97@ob-wan.com...
I have only one word for you: PT78T112V

Rob
VK3XVK



HH wrote:

HelloGroup,

I have a problem with excessive heat from a 7812 regulator in a
circuit that supplies 28vdc to that reg., which inturn supplies a PWM
driving a 6 volt DC motor.
Lack of room and cost preclude me from using a multitap transformer, so
I am
stuck with using the 24vac plug pack as the PSU
Is there any efficient way that I can reduce the voltage to the 7812?
Can I use another component to reduce the voltage to 12V?

Harry Harms
 
"HH" <hh@hotmail.com>

"Rob Judd" <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote in message
news:3F782F29.18BE4D97@ob-wan.com...

I have only one word for you: PT78T112V
Rob
VK3XVK

Hate to show my ignorance, but what is a PT78T112V?
I have searched the web and nothing shows up.
HH


** It was the PT boat that Bob Kennedy commanded after the PT109 sank -
wasn't it?




........... Phil
 
It looks like a specific product code from the 78T type of regulators - they
handle over 3A (max 5A I think) in a TO-220 package.

Russ.


"HH" <hh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2Ddeb.130317$bo1.59474@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hate to show my ignorance, but what is a PT78T112V?
I have searched the web and nothing shows up.
HH
"Rob Judd" <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote in message
news:3F782F29.18BE4D97@ob-wan.com...
I have only one word for you: PT78T112V

Rob
VK3XVK



HH wrote:

HelloGroup,

I have a problem with excessive heat from a 7812 regulator in a
circuit that supplies 28vdc to that reg., which inturn supplies a PWM
driving a 6 volt DC motor.
Lack of room and cost preclude me from using a multitap transformer,
so
I am
stuck with using the 24vac plug pack as the PSU
Is there any efficient way that I can reduce the voltage to the 7812?
Can I use another component to reduce the voltage to 12V?

Harry Harms
 
Harry,

You can use a current boost circuit such as that shown in the Dick Smith
catalogue (the 2002-2003 one shows it on page 286) - I use a pair on my
dual-tracking power supply. It involves one TIP2955 & heatsink, a 3.3 ohm
resistor and a couple of small capacitors.

Sing out if you'd like me to scan & email you a copy of it.

Ciao


Kevin

"HH" <hh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xjSdb.128839$bo1.54585@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
HelloGroup,

I have a problem with excessive heat from a 7812 regulator in a
circuit that supplies 28vdc to that reg., which inturn supplies a PWM
driving a 6 volt DC motor.
Lack of room and cost preclude me from using a multitap transformer, so I
am
stuck with using the 24vac plug pack as the PSU
Is there any efficient way that I can reduce the voltage to the 7812?
Can I use another component to reduce the voltage to 12V?

Harry Harms
 
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:10:01 +1000, Rob Judd <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote:

I have only one word for you: PT78T112V
Hate to ruin the scam, but the heat dissipated is gonna be the same -
(Vin-Vout)*Ithru - regardless of the choice of series linear device.

And if it is a TO-220 like the O/P's unit, then its temp rise etc will
be the same.

He needs to either:
(a) reduce Vin
(b) reduce Iout
(c) go SMPS

unless he can stick a sink on it.
 
The problem is heat dissipation due to too high an input voltage, not
current handling capacity. He needs to replace his plug pack with something
more suitable of change the 78xx to something more suitable (ie. a
switcher).

Ken

"Kevin Ettery" <kpettery@dcsi.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f7983cf@news.leadingedgeinternet.net.au...
Harry,

You can use a current boost circuit such as that shown in the Dick Smith
catalogue (the 2002-2003 one shows it on page 286) - I use a pair on my
dual-tracking power supply. It involves one TIP2955 & heatsink, a 3.3 ohm
resistor and a couple of small capacitors.

Sing out if you'd like me to scan & email you a copy of it.

Ciao


Kevin

"HH" <hh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xjSdb.128839$bo1.54585@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
HelloGroup,

I have a problem with excessive heat from a 7812 regulator in a
circuit that supplies 28vdc to that reg., which inturn supplies a PWM
driving a 6 volt DC motor.
Lack of room and cost preclude me from using a multitap transformer, so
I
am
stuck with using the 24vac plug pack as the PSU
Is there any efficient way that I can reduce the voltage to the 7812?
Can I use another component to reduce the voltage to 12V?

Harry Harms
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f79672e$0$30274$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"HH" <hh@hotmail.com

"Rob Judd" <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote in message
news:3F782F29.18BE4D97@ob-wan.com...

I have only one word for you: PT78T112V
Rob
VK3XVK


Hate to show my ignorance, but what is a PT78T112V?
I have searched the web and nothing shows up.
HH

** It was the PT boat that Bob Kennedy commanded after the PT109
ank -
wasn't it?

.......... Phil

Very droll, Phil. :) However it was Jack Kennedy that went through this
experience, not Bob.

Ken
 
"budgie" <budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f79860b.8845952@news.cantech.net.au...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:10:01 +1000, Rob Judd <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote:

I have only one word for you: PT78T112V

Hate to ruin the scam, but the heat dissipated is gonna be the same -
(Vin-Vout)*Ithru - regardless of the choice of series linear device.

And if it is a TO-220 like the O/P's unit, then its temp rise etc will
be the same.

He needs to either:
(a) reduce Vin
(b) reduce Iout
(c) go SMPS

unless he can stick a sink on it.
The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Ken
 
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.
Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding
 
"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lpvjnv8lcgof2ma76ogqlpta4a1ql3uq20@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for
LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding

US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you want? :)

Ken
 
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

"budgie" <budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f79860b.8845952@news.cantech.net.au...
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:10:01 +1000, Rob Judd <judd@ob-wan.com> wrote:

I have only one word for you: PT78T112V

Hate to ruin the scam, but the heat dissipated is gonna be the same -
(Vin-Vout)*Ithru - regardless of the choice of series linear device.

And if it is a TO-220 like the O/P's unit, then its temp rise etc will
be the same.

He needs to either:
(a) reduce Vin
(b) reduce Iout
(c) go SMPS

unless he can stick a sink on it.

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.
Fark, that IS nice :)
 
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:09:04 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lpvjnv8lcgof2ma76ogqlpta4a1ql3uq20@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for
LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding

US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you want? :)
Either way, a lower Vin from another wall wart would be a simpler fix.
 
"budgie" <budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f7a601b.1181192@news.cantech.net.au...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:09:04 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lpvjnv8lcgof2ma76ogqlpta4a1ql3uq20@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for
LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding

US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you want?
:)

Either way, a lower Vin from another wall wart would be a simpler fix.
Absolutely! :)

Ken
 
Thanks to all, after reading your responses, it would seem that I will have
to resort to 2 x plug packs, one 24v & 12v.
I appreciate your input
Harry Harms
"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote in message
news:b%veb.164517$JA5.4057339@news.xtra.co.nz...
"budgie" <budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f7a601b.1181192@news.cantech.net.au...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:09:04 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lpvjnv8lcgof2ma76ogqlpta4a1ql3uq20@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for
LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding

US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you want?
:)

Either way, a lower Vin from another wall wart would be a simpler fix.

Absolutely! :)

Ken
 
One question is why is the heat from the 7812 such a problem? If you
can mount it on a metal frame or some such it can source up to about
1.5A into a load, almost any regulator is going to produce heat if you
draw current through it - getting rid of the heat is the problem it
seems to me. 7812's can handle up to around 35VDC (AIR) input voltage
and you could add a dropping resistor in series with the front end of
the regulator to reduce the heat generated in the 7812...

John :-#)#

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:23:18 GMT, "HH" <hh@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks to all, after reading your responses, it would seem that I will have
to resort to 2 x plug packs, one 24v & 12v.
I appreciate your input
Harry Harms
"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote in message
news:b%veb.164517$JA5.4057339@news.xtra.co.nz...
"budgie" <budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f7a601b.1181192@news.cantech.net.au...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:09:04 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lpvjnv8lcgof2ma76ogqlpta4a1ql3uq20@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for
LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding

US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you want?
:)

Either way, a lower Vin from another wall wart would be a simpler fix.

Absolutely! :)

Ken
(Please post followups or tech enquires to the newsgroup)
John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
 
US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you want?
:)


PT78ST112H from Arrow - Been there, as well as Avnet & Insight. All have
either never imported or don't have stock!
Any other ideas?

Angelo Sartore

Melbourne
AUSTRALIA

ADOPT, ADAPT, INVENT, DESTROY !
 
Mike Harding wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!
They're shiploads cheaper form the US (like everything else), 80+%
efficient and save the cost of a switchmode DC-DC convertor. Good value.

Rob
 
budgie wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:09:04 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lpvjnv8lcgof2ma76ogqlpta4a1ql3uq20@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement for
LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding

US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you want? :)

Either way, a lower Vin from another wall wart would be a simpler fix.
Sometimes you don't have the option. I use the PT78ST105H in my
transceiver. Runs cool and can be plugged into any supply up to 36VDC.

Rob
 
Hello John,
I have the whole thing enclosed in a jiffy box, and the heat build up
causes (I think) the 7812 to shut down, I have heat sinked the 7812 and put
a tiny fan on the jiffy box, and its OK, but I am trying to keep the cost
and production time down. The heat is such that I cannot put my finger on
the heatsink.
It has just occurred to me, what if I used a 7824, a 7818 and finally a 7812
in series? Would this decrease the heat?
Harry Harms

"John Robertson" <jrr@flippers.com> wrote in message
news:suannvk4713s31bfvcjb9sftc0d67vlti6@4ax.com...
One question is why is the heat from the 7812 such a problem? If you
can mount it on a metal frame or some such it can source up to about
1.5A into a load, almost any regulator is going to produce heat if you
draw current through it - getting rid of the heat is the problem it
seems to me. 7812's can handle up to around 35VDC (AIR) input voltage
and you could add a dropping resistor in series with the front end of
the regulator to reduce the heat generated in the 7812...

John :-#)#

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:23:18 GMT, "HH" <hh@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks to all, after reading your responses, it would seem that I will
have
to resort to 2 x plug packs, one 24v & 12v.
I appreciate your input
Harry Harms
"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote in message
news:b%veb.164517$JA5.4057339@news.xtra.co.nz...
"budgie" <budgie@nowhere.cantech.net.au> wrote in message
news:3f7a601b.1181192@news.cantech.net.au...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:09:04 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

"Mike Harding" <mike_harding1@nixspamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lpvjnv8lcgof2ma76ogqlpta4a1ql3uq20@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:11:12 +1200, "Ken Taylor"
ken123@xtra.co.nz
wrote:

The PT78STxxx product line is a switch-mode drop-in replacement
for
LM78xx
technology. From Power Trends, a TI division.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pt78st112.pdf
Nice devices.

Indeed they are. However the price, from Farnell, of $59.12
each is not!

Mike Harding

US$9 (a bit less) from TI (qty:25) or about US$14 from Arrow in
single
quantities. Not LM78xx series for sure, but how much heat do you
want?
:)

Either way, a lower Vin from another wall wart would be a simpler
fix.

Absolutely! :)

Ken




(Please post followups or tech enquires to the newsgroup)
John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
 
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:13:46 GMT, "HH" <hh@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello John,
I have the whole thing enclosed in a jiffy box, and the heat build up
causes (I think) the 7812 to shut down, I have heat sinked the 7812 and put
a tiny fan on the jiffy box, and its OK, but I am trying to keep the cost
and production time down. The heat is such that I cannot put my finger on
the heatsink.
It has just occurred to me, what if I used a 7824, a 7818 and finally a 7812
in series? Would this decrease the heat?
Nope. The heat dissipated is STILL (Vin-Vout)*Ipass. You have broken
it into several pieces, but it still adds up the same.

That's not to say that each device in such a chain won't stay in its
SOA in such a scheme, but the total heat dissipated within the box
will remain the same.

As before, the only ways I can see to reduce heat dissipation in the
box are:

(a) reduce Vin (i.e. a lower voltage plugpack); or
(b) go switchmode.

If the cited switchmode drop-in TO220 doesa the job, then eietehr of
these is better - and probably cheaper - than reconfiguring for
multiple linear regs.
 

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