PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[Michael A. Terrell]

John - Melb wrote:

On Jun 17, 9:40 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**The figures for people legitemately shooting alleged criminals (I say
alleged, because in places like Texas, it would seem that the authorites are
now prepared to accept the word of the 'last man standing', as to the
legitemacy of the shooting) are miniscule in the extreme. FBI figures show
that, in the US, something like 400-odd people are shot and killed by police
in so-called 'justifiable homicide' acts each year. This figure needs to be
examined in the same light as the number killed by civilians in similar
circumstances. The figure for civilians is approximately 230 PA. That figure
needs to be tempered by the inadequacies of the laws in places like Texas,
where lip service is paid by LEOs under many circumstances. Additionally,
one must bear in mind that the number of civilians killed by gunshot each
year in the US is approximately 10,000. Clearly, carrying guns for self
defence purposes is a failed experiment. It is an experiment that many of
the nutters in the pro-gun lobby, here in Australia, wish to duplicate.
These are the same individuals who seem to feel that shooting native ducks
and other indigenous critters is, somehow, sporting. They seem to consider
that the indiscriminate spraying of lead shot into pristine environments,
whilst causing the needless suffering of wild animals is all in a good
cause.

Trevor has posted such rants before, he posts them here because he
doesn't believe that anybody know enough about the subject matter to
challenge him, every time he posts such rants on gun related group he
gets spanked badly.

Reading the above Trevor, are you again asserting that a Defensive Gun
Use (DGU) requires a dead body, and if there's no dead body, then the
DGU didn't happen?

He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed
Carry' permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that
refuse to allow you to carry have the highest. Or that a lot of that
crime is by gangs shooting at each other, or illegal aliens committing
crimes, and shooting anyone who can identify them. In other words he is
a liar, and idiot for thinking no one will knew he's a liar.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John - Melb wrote:

On Jun 17, 9:51 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**Read what I wrote. If you don't understand what is written, ask a 9 year
old.

I did read what you wrote, it appears you are unable to answer a
question about your posted assertion without the assistance of some
(apparently unavailble) 9 year old?

Nine year olds are too smart to hang out with an idiot like Trevor.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:rIydnalCne9S66XXnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Trevor Wilson wrote:

5) As criminals are caught (and many are caught), their guns are
confiscated. Thus, if proper controls were instituted in places like the
US,
fewer illegal guns would end up in the hands of Australian criminals.
Eventually, almost no criminal would have access to guns.


So, there are no lathes or milling machines in Oz? No one with any
metalworking skills, or any machine tools at their homes? All early
guns & rifles were made completely by hand. In your fantasy world, no
one would have hands, any tools, food or anything else, because you can
kill with almost anything you think of. What would you do without
water? It doesn't take long to hold someone's head under water, till
the drown. It only takes a couple gallons. Your shoe laces can be tied
around someone's neck, to choke them to death. You can run them down
with a car or truck.

**Banal logic noted. FYI: It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own
guns. Australians who wish to own a gun, do not need to manufacture one. In
fact, the cost of a hand made gun, plus it's potential for poor reliability
and accuracy, makes it a non-viable option. Any criminal with the equipment
and skills to manufacture a firearm, is likely to be gainfully employed
anyway, so is unlikely to want to manufacture such a weapon.


And you call American's paranoid.

**I call it the way the entire world sees it. Americans ARE extremely
paranoid.

Between you & Phil, I can see why
Oz wants to disarm everyone.

**Non-sequitur. It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own firearms. I
have no problem with this, as long as they adhere to the law of the land. On
a personal level, I am bothered by the disturbing actions of SOME gun
owners, who seem to enjoy killing, for the sake of it. They have little
concern for the suffering of animals, nor for the contamination of pristine
environments with lead.

THis shows how little you know about machining gun parts. Just like
audio, you are clueless. Some people build assault rifles in home
workshops that rival anything mass produced. They are more accurate,
less likely to jam, and are easier to repair than a Chinese import. As
far as killing for sport, i don't know anyone who does that. Guns have
been in the family for generations, and the only animals ever killed
were either for food, or to protect their livestock

Soon, they'll need babysitters to change
your diapers, for you, too.

**You are most welcome to come visit our wonderful nation and repeat those
words in my local pub. Anytime you want.

Why would I fly half way around the world to hang out with drunks,
when I don't drink? They need to up your medication, just like Phil.
How about the news story a few years ago, that reported your fine
government killing the man the 'Crocodile Dundee' character was based
on, for not giving up some of his guns? That is a nanny state.

I understand where the 'Rage' comes from. you are angry at the world
for being a world class sissy who would rather die, than own a gun.

**Huh? Perhaps you'd care to explain that little leap of logic. On this
planet, it makes no sense.

You are full of rage. Against anyone who believes in owning a gun
for protection. I guess all that cheap booze you drink in your local
pub has done excessive brain damage?

The US Army taught me to kill, but I haven't. I can own almost any
weapon short of a tank, rocket launcher, fighter jet or bomber, but I
still have never aimed a weapon at anyone. The only time I needed one,
all I had was a hot soldering iron but it was enough to scare off that
drunken fool.

**So?

So what? You have absolutely no clue, do you?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

ian field wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:004dfaf6$0$9376$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
Gordon Lightfoot III wrote:
Dear Sylvia.

I'm on my way up to Jaycar to get components for a stun gun, would you be
able to give me a parts list.

Kind Regards,
GLIII
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MF1086

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SB2490

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WW4012

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZT2467 * 6

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RE6240 * 2 * number of firings
required.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PP0425 * number of firings
required.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZC4047

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RR1656

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RC5336

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SP0702

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SY4068 * 4

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WH3050 * 10 metres

Have fun.

Sylvia.


Home made stun-gun coils can be had from gas stove igniter packs, they
usually come as a bank of 3 with a single primary. Some types run on a
single 1.5V cell for the inverter pcb - which can be beefed up with a bigger
transistor and up to 3 cells for a "baby stun-gun". Some types run off 230V
so you have no choice but to build your own inverter board.

The ferrite cored transformer from the SMPSU in a set top box or something
similar can be pressed into service as a blocking oscillator inverter by
using one of the low voltage windings as the collector winding. If the
original SMPSU used discrete transistors, it will have a base winding which
retains its original use.

If there is a lack of suitable windings, the blocking oscillator can be
wired in the same manner as a cheap photo-flash inverter.

A 6 volt doorbell type buzzer, four 'D' cells and an audio output
transformer make a great cattle prod, which is more effective than most
tazers. I made some as a kid, because we had a neighborhood bully who
would take toys away from kids and destroy them. He screamed like a
little girl, then ran home in tears when he could walk again after
trying to take away what looked like a homemade toy sword.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[ian field]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:at6dnUlxfsCPqaTXnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

ian field wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:004dfaf6$0$9376$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
Gordon Lightfoot III wrote:
Dear Sylvia.

I'm on my way up to Jaycar to get components for a stun gun, would you
be
able to give me a parts list.

Kind Regards,
GLIII
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MF1086

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SB2490

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WW4012

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZT2467 * 6

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RE6240 * 2 * number of
firings
required.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PP0425 * number of firings
required.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZC4047

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RR1656

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RC5336

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SP0702

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SY4068 * 4

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WH3050 * 10 metres

Have fun.

Sylvia.


Home made stun-gun coils can be had from gas stove igniter packs, they
usually come as a bank of 3 with a single primary. Some types run on a
single 1.5V cell for the inverter pcb - which can be beefed up with a
bigger
transistor and up to 3 cells for a "baby stun-gun". Some types run off
230V
so you have no choice but to build your own inverter board.

The ferrite cored transformer from the SMPSU in a set top box or
something
similar can be pressed into service as a blocking oscillator inverter by
using one of the low voltage windings as the collector winding. If the
original SMPSU used discrete transistors, it will have a base winding
which
retains its original use.

If there is a lack of suitable windings, the blocking oscillator can be
wired in the same manner as a cheap photo-flash inverter.


A 6 volt doorbell type buzzer, four 'D' cells and an audio output
transformer make a great cattle prod, which is more effective than most
tazers. I made some as a kid, because we had a neighborhood bully who
would take toys away from kids and destroy them. He screamed like a
little girl, then ran home in tears when he could walk again after
trying to take away what looked like a homemade toy sword.

When I was at boarding school I got the headmaster with an electric bell
wired in series with an old tube TV vertical O/P transformer, I'd hooked up
a length of twin flex to the anode winding and offered him the 2 ends to
hold on to - I was really astonished that he was stupid enough to do it! But
my astonishment didn't hinder my pressing the bell push and over he went.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:spSdnRg5TNAvraTXnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

John - Melb wrote:

On Jun 17, 9:40 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**The figures for people legitemately shooting alleged criminals (I say
alleged, because in places like Texas, it would seem that the
authorites are
now prepared to accept the word of the 'last man standing', as to the
legitemacy of the shooting) are miniscule in the extreme. FBI figures
show
that, in the US, something like 400-odd people are shot and killed by
police
in so-called 'justifiable homicide' acts each year. This figure needs
to be
examined in the same light as the number killed by civilians in similar
circumstances. The figure for civilians is approximately 230 PA. That
figure
needs to be tempered by the inadequacies of the laws in places like
Texas,
where lip service is paid by LEOs under many circumstances.
Additionally,
one must bear in mind that the number of civilians killed by gunshot
each
year in the US is approximately 10,000. Clearly, carrying guns for self
defence purposes is a failed experiment. It is an experiment that many
of
the nutters in the pro-gun lobby, here in Australia, wish to duplicate.
These are the same individuals who seem to feel that shooting native
ducks
and other indigenous critters is, somehow, sporting. They seem to
consider
that the indiscriminate spraying of lead shot into pristine
environments,
whilst causing the needless suffering of wild animals is all in a good
cause.

Trevor has posted such rants before, he posts them here because he
doesn't believe that anybody know enough about the subject matter to
challenge him, every time he posts such rants on gun related group he
gets spanked badly.

Reading the above Trevor, are you again asserting that a Defensive Gun
Use (DGU) requires a dead body, and if there's no dead body, then the
DGU didn't happen?

He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed
Carry' permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that
refuse to allow you to carry have the highest.

**Really? Give me the homicide figures for (say) NYC, where concealed carry
is illegal and Miami, where concealed carry is legal.



Or that a lot of that

crime is by gangs shooting at each other, or illegal aliens committing
crimes, and shooting anyone who can identify them. In other words he is
a liar, and idiot for thinking no one will knew he's a liar.

**The issue is not which US citizens are killing each other, but how they
were so easily able to acquire the firearms. Lax US gun control laws, across
all jurisdictions, ensure that those with violent tendencies can easily
obtain the weapons that they require.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:s9idnTXs7ca2rqTXnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:rIydnalCne9S66XXnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Trevor Wilson wrote:

5) As criminals are caught (and many are caught), their guns are
confiscated. Thus, if proper controls were instituted in places like
the
US,
fewer illegal guns would end up in the hands of Australian criminals.
Eventually, almost no criminal would have access to guns.


So, there are no lathes or milling machines in Oz? No one with any
metalworking skills, or any machine tools at their homes? All early
guns & rifles were made completely by hand. In your fantasy world, no
one would have hands, any tools, food or anything else, because you can
kill with almost anything you think of. What would you do without
water? It doesn't take long to hold someone's head under water, till
the drown. It only takes a couple gallons. Your shoe laces can be tied
around someone's neck, to choke them to death. You can run them down
with a car or truck.

**Banal logic noted. FYI: It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own
guns. Australians who wish to own a gun, do not need to manufacture one.
In
fact, the cost of a hand made gun, plus it's potential for poor
reliability
and accuracy, makes it a non-viable option. Any criminal with the
equipment
and skills to manufacture a firearm, is likely to be gainfully employed
anyway, so is unlikely to want to manufacture such a weapon.


And you call American's paranoid.

**I call it the way the entire world sees it. Americans ARE extremely
paranoid.

Between you & Phil, I can see why
Oz wants to disarm everyone.

**Non-sequitur. It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own firearms.
I
have no problem with this, as long as they adhere to the law of the land.
On
a personal level, I am bothered by the disturbing actions of SOME gun
owners, who seem to enjoy killing, for the sake of it. They have little
concern for the suffering of animals, nor for the contamination of
pristine
environments with lead.


THis shows how little you know about machining gun parts. Just like
audio, you are clueless.

**Would you care to explain these comments?


Some people build assault rifles in home

workshops that rival anything mass produced.

**Which would be illegal in Australia. The penalty for doing so is quite
severe. Far in excess of the value of the weapon. Anyone with the equipment
and talent to do so, would likely be gainfully employed.

They are more accurate,

less likely to jam, and are easier to repair than a Chinese import. As
far as killing for sport, i don't know anyone who does that.

**YOU may not. The people who lobby for the industry in Australia fully
support the needless suffering of native animals and the polluting of
pristine environments with lead.


Guns have

been in the family for generations, and the only animals ever killed
were either for food, or to protect their livestock


Soon, they'll need babysitters to change
your diapers, for you, too.

**You are most welcome to come visit our wonderful nation and repeat
those
words in my local pub. Anytime you want.


Why would I fly half way around the world to hang out with drunks,
when I don't drink?

**It is not compulsory to consume alcohol in pubs in Australia. In fact, it
is not compulsory to consume anything. You may just drop in for a chat with
the locals, if you wish. Of course, if you lack the balls to back up your
silly comments in person, that's a whole differrent matter. Your type
requires a gun to threaten people with your point of view. I use words, not
violent threats.

They need to up your medication, just like Phil.

How about the news story a few years ago, that reported your fine
government killing the man the 'Crocodile Dundee' character was based
on, for not giving up some of his guns?

**What news story? Care to cite that news story?

That is a nanny state.

**What is a "nanny state"? A state where criminals are arrested and
punished?

I understand where the 'Rage' comes from. you are angry at the world
for being a world class sissy who would rather die, than own a gun.

**Huh? Perhaps you'd care to explain that little leap of logic. On this
planet, it makes no sense.


You are full of rage.

**So you say.

Against anyone who believes in owning a gun

for protection.

**"Against anyone"? Huh? Please expalin this leap of logic.

I guess all that cheap booze you drink in your local

pub has done excessive brain damage?

**I don't drink.

The US Army taught me to kill, but I haven't. I can own almost any
weapon short of a tank, rocket launcher, fighter jet or bomber, but I
still have never aimed a weapon at anyone. The only time I needed one,
all I had was a hot soldering iron but it was enough to scare off that
drunken fool.

**So?


So what? You have absolutely no clue, do you?

**I was asking what your point was. Perhaps you'd care to phrase it in
English.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a38a724$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:rIydnalCne9S66XXnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
Trevor Wilson wrote:

5) As criminals are caught (and many are caught), their guns are
confiscated. Thus, if proper controls were instituted in places like
the US,
fewer illegal guns would end up in the hands of Australian criminals.
Eventually, almost no criminal would have access to guns.

So, there are no lathes or milling machines in Oz? No one with any
metalworking skills, or any machine tools at their homes? All early
guns & rifles were made completely by hand. In your fantasy world, no
one would have hands, any tools, food or anything else, because you can
kill with almost anything you think of. What would you do without
water? It doesn't take long to hold someone's head under water, till
the drown. It only takes a couple gallons. Your shoe laces can be tied
around someone's neck, to choke them to death. You can run them down
with a car or truck.

**Banal logic noted. FYI: It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own
guns. Australians who wish to own a gun, do not need to manufacture one.
In fact, the cost of a hand made gun, plus it's potential for poor
reliability and accuracy, makes it a non-viable option. Any criminal with
the equipment and skills to manufacture a firearm, is likely to be
gainfully employed anyway, so is unlikely to want to manufacture such a
weapon.

And you call American's paranoid.

**I call it the way the entire world sees it. Americans ARE extremely
paranoid.

Between you & Phil, I can see why
Oz wants to disarm everyone.

**Non-sequitur. It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own firearms.
I have no problem with this, as long as they adhere to the law of the
land. On a personal level, I am bothered by the disturbing actions of
SOME gun owners, who seem to enjoy killing, for the sake of it. They have
little concern for the suffering of animals, nor for the contamination of
pristine environments with lead.

Where do you think lead comes from?

**Broken Hill. Mostly. Other mining areas.

Could you quantify the amount of

firearm lead contaminating pristine environments?

**Far too much. Duck shooters are an irresponsible bunch of cretins. They
don't care where their lead ends up. They have no care for the suffering of
the animals they shoot. They make no attempt to collect the poison from the
environment. They are worse than illegal dumpers.

Tell me why you seem to think that lead shot is OK to leave in pristine
environments. Tell my why it is OK to kill native wildlife, such that they
die painfully and slowly. Do you enjoy seeing the suffering of animals? Duck
shooting is violent and cruel. Why do you support such cruelty?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Sylvia Else]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

ian field wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:004dfaf6$0$9376$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
Gordon Lightfoot III wrote:
Dear Sylvia.

I'm on my way up to Jaycar to get components for a stun gun, would you be
able to give me a parts list.

Kind Regards,
GLIII
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MF1086

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SB2490

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WW4012

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZT2467 * 6

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RE6240 * 2 * number of firings
required.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PP0425 * number of firings
required.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZC4047

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RR1656

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RC5336

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SP0702

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SY4068 * 4

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=WH3050 * 10 metres

Have fun.

Sylvia.

Home made stun-gun coils can be had from gas stove igniter packs, they
usually come as a bank of 3 with a single primary. Some types run on a
single 1.5V cell for the inverter pcb - which can be beefed up with a bigger
transistor and up to 3 cells for a "baby stun-gun". Some types run off 230V
so you have no choice but to build your own inverter board.

The ferrite cored transformer from the SMPSU in a set top box or something
similar can be pressed into service as a blocking oscillator inverter by
using one of the low voltage windings as the collector winding. If the
original SMPSU used discrete transistors, it will have a base winding which
retains its original use.

If there is a lack of suitable windings, the blocking oscillator can be
wired in the same manner as a cheap photo-flash inverter.


A 6 volt doorbell type buzzer, four 'D' cells and an audio output
transformer make a great cattle prod, which is more effective than most
tazers. I made some as a kid, because we had a neighborhood bully who
would take toys away from kids and destroy them. He screamed like a
little girl, then ran home in tears when he could walk again after
trying to take away what looked like a homemade toy sword.

Nice one

Sylvia.

 

[John Tserkezis]

ian field wrote:

Home made stun-gun coils can be had from gas stove igniter packs, they
usually come as a bank of 3 with a single primary. Some types run on a
single 1.5V cell for the inverter pcb - which can be beefed up with a bigger
transistor and up to 3 cells for a "baby stun-gun". Some types run off 230V
so you have no choice but to build your own inverter board.

For a prank toy perhaps. If you want something that's going to be viable as
a stun gun you need about a joule of energy.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>

 

[John - Melb]

On Jun 18, 7:49 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

**It is not compulsory to consume alcohol in pubs in Australia. In fact, it
is not compulsory to consume anything. You may just drop in for a chat with
the locals, if you wish. Of course, if you lack the balls to back up your
silly comments in person, that's a whole differrent matter. Your type
requires a gun to threaten people with your point of view. I use words, not
violent threats.

Trevor get's so nasty when his prejudices are challenged, he's even
gone as far as offering to have a friend shot another poster

**I have a mate with a "VARMIT thing". You can stand
(oh-say) 60 Metres away and I betcha he can put a bullet into your skull,
right between your eyes. I'll bet you won't survive either.

I wonder if this friend with the "VARMIT" thing is the same one who
can STOP his heart?

 

[John - Melb]

On Jun 18, 7:56 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

**Far too much. Duck shooters are an irresponsible bunch of cretins. They
don't care where their lead ends up. They have no care for the suffering of
the animals they shoot. They make no attempt to collect the poison from the
environment. They are worse than illegal dumpers.

Typical anti-gun lobby swill.

Laurie Levy, Victorian President of the "Coalition Against uck
Shooting has previously claimed that every Victorian duck season dumps
40,000 tonnes of lead shot into Victorian wetlands.

Unfortunately, when you work out the number of cartridge that would
need to be fired for this to be true, then divide that number by the
numbre of licenced duck hunters, then work out the cost of those
cartridges to each duck hunter, you find that for this "factiod" to be
true would require every licenced duck hunting in the state of
Victoria to spend $104,000 AUD per season on cartridges?

Anyone interested may also like to Google the "Russell Method" it was
a convoluted mathematical thought process design to show how much lead
went into wetlands, and how many ducks were maimed each duck season.
It was found to be utter bullshit.

Victorian duck hunters have used "non-toxic" (ie steel or bismuth)
shot for a number of years now.

Tell me why you seem to think that lead shot is OK to leave in pristine
environments. Tell my why it is OK to kill native wildlife, such that they
die painfully and slowly. Do you enjoy seeing the suffering of animals? Duck
shooting is violent and cruel. Why do you support such cruelty?

Fascinating, Trevor makes an assertion, and then asks another to
defend his livestyle against that assertion.

His pathetic arrogance really is quite enterteining.

 

[John - Melb]

On Jun 18, 7:49 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

**What is a "nanny state"? A state where criminals are arrested and
punished?

Yep, criminals are arrested and punished, except in Victoria when a
criminal is found is possession of an automatic pistol with the serial
number ground off!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:spSdnRg5TNAvraTXnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

John - Melb wrote:

On Jun 17, 9:40 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**The figures for people legitemately shooting alleged criminals (I say
alleged, because in places like Texas, it would seem that the
authorites are
now prepared to accept the word of the 'last man standing', as to the
legitemacy of the shooting) are miniscule in the extreme. FBI figures
show
that, in the US, something like 400-odd people are shot and killed by
police
in so-called 'justifiable homicide' acts each year. This figure needs
to be
examined in the same light as the number killed by civilians in similar
circumstances. The figure for civilians is approximately 230 PA. That
figure
needs to be tempered by the inadequacies of the laws in places like
Texas,
where lip service is paid by LEOs under many circumstances.
Additionally,
one must bear in mind that the number of civilians killed by gunshot
each
year in the US is approximately 10,000. Clearly, carrying guns for self
defence purposes is a failed experiment. It is an experiment that many
of
the nutters in the pro-gun lobby, here in Australia, wish to duplicate.
These are the same individuals who seem to feel that shooting native
ducks
and other indigenous critters is, somehow, sporting. They seem to
consider
that the indiscriminate spraying of lead shot into pristine
environments,
whilst causing the needless suffering of wild animals is all in a good
cause.

Trevor has posted such rants before, he posts them here because he
doesn't believe that anybody know enough about the subject matter to
challenge him, every time he posts such rants on gun related group he
gets spanked badly.

Reading the above Trevor, are you again asserting that a Defensive Gun
Use (DGU) requires a dead body, and if there's no dead body, then the
DGU didn't happen?

He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed
Carry' permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that
refuse to allow you to carry have the highest.

**Really? Give me the homicide figures for (say) NYC, where concealed carry
is illegal and Miami, where concealed carry is legal.

Miami is a cesspool of illegal aliens, drug dealing and street
gangs. It is also a large area, and some parts are not safe. it also
has a lot of the Cuban criminals that Casto dumped out of his prsions.
Like the early days in Oz.

Or that a lot of that
crime is by gangs shooting at each other, or illegal aliens committing
crimes, and shooting anyone who can identify them. In other words he is
a liar, and idiot for thinking no one will knew he's a liar.

**The issue is not which US citizens are killing each other, but how they
were so easily able to acquire the firearms. Lax US gun control laws, across
all jurisdictions, ensure that those with violent tendencies can easily
obtain the weapons that they require.

Easily? Go to a gun shop, let them run a Federal background check,
and buy one. Or in your case, steal one.






--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John - Melb wrote:

On Jun 18, 7:49 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**It is not compulsory to consume alcohol in pubs in Australia. In fact, it
is not compulsory to consume anything. You may just drop in for a chat with
the locals, if you wish. Of course, if you lack the balls to back up your
silly comments in person, that's a whole differrent matter. Your type
requires a gun to threaten people with your point of view. I use words, not
violent threats.

Trevor get's so nasty when his prejudices are challenged, he's even
gone as far as offering to have a friend shot another poster

**I have a mate with a "VARMIT thing". You can stand
(oh-say) 60 Metres away and I betcha he can put a bullet into your skull,
right between your eyes. I'll bet you won't survive either.

I wonder if this friend with the "VARMIT" thing is the same one who
can STOP his heart?

If the guty is such a great shot, why is Trevor still alive?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

5) As criminals are caught (and many are caught), their guns are
confiscated. Thus, if proper controls were instituted in places like
the
US,
fewer illegal guns would end up in the hands of Australian criminals.
Eventually, almost no criminal would have access to guns.


So, there are no lathes or milling machines in Oz? No one with any
metalworking skills, or any machine tools at their homes? All early
guns & rifles were made completely by hand. In your fantasy world, no
one would have hands, any tools, food or anything else, because you can
kill with almost anything you think of. What would you do without
water? It doesn't take long to hold someone's head under water, till
the drown. It only takes a couple gallons. Your shoe laces can be tied
around someone's neck, to choke them to death. You can run them down
with a car or truck.

**Banal logic noted. FYI: It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own
guns. Australians who wish to own a gun, do not need to manufacture one.
In fact, the cost of a hand made gun, plus it's potential for poor
reliability and accuracy, makes it a non-viable option. Any criminal
with the equipment and skills to manufacture a firearm, is likely to be
gainfully employed anyway, so is unlikely to want to manufacture such
a weapon.

You are too stupid to understand a metalworking hobby? or are you
claiming that no one in Oz is smart enough to take some of the right
steel and turn out a quality project, outside of a CNC machine shop?
You make oz sound more and more like hell on earth.

You can make all the guns or rifles you want in the US, but you can't
sell them. Some guys can make anything you can think of, and have home
machine shops you wouldn't believe. Some own businesses where they need
the equipment, and do their own projects after hours. Just because you
aren't smart enough to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done cheaper and
better at home.

And you call American's paranoid.

**I call it the way the entire world sees it. Americans ARE extremely
paranoid.

The only comments I see with that view are America hating little
loser, like you, the Dreaded 'Dead Donkey', and Phil.

Between you & Phil, I can see why Oz wants to disarm everyone.

**Non-sequitur. It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own firearms.
I have no problem with this, as long as they adhere to the law of the
land. On a personal level, I am bothered by the disturbing actions of
SOME gun owners, who seem to enjoy killing, for the sake of it. They
have little concern for the suffering of animals, nor for the
contamination of pristine environments with lead.

Really? When does the mother ship take you back to your tiny
planet? You don't know shit about modern ammunition, or the fact that
lead, in its pure form is not hazardous. Your ignorance is showing
again, moron. BTW, have you ever had the pleasure of firing a bazooka,
or using a thermite grenade? Watching one burn a hole straight through
an engine block is simply amazing, but I've seen some overpriced audio
crap that deserve the same treatment.

This shows how little you know about machining gun parts. Just like
audio, you are clueless.

**Would you care to explain these comments?

How do you explain 'clueless' to the clueless? Or stupid to the
stupid. You remind me of a mentally disabled kid I know who brags that
he is an 'Idiot Savant', yet can't do anything more complex than mow
yards for his income.

Some people build assault rifles in home workshops that rival anything
mass produced.

**Which would be illegal in Australia. The penalty for doing so is quite
severe. Far in excess of the value of the weapon. Anyone with the equipment
and talent to do so, would likely be gainfully employed.

IE, a 'Nanny State' where the government does your thinking for you,
because you are so helpless. they can't let their babies do anything to
hurt themselves. A severe penalty for a hobby that hurts no one. What
a place to stay away from.

They are more accurate, less likely to jam, and are easier to repair than
a Chinese import. As far as killing for sport, I don't know anyone who
does that.

**YOU may not. The people who lobby for the industry in Australia fully
support the needless suffering of native animals and the polluting of
pristine environments with lead.

More idiots, like the 'global warming' and 'free energy' crowds?
That's no surprise. I'm sure that they stand there in front of your
government officials to demand the right to maim animals, What a
moron. No wonder everyone says you are too stupid to live.

Guns have been in the family for generations, and the only animals
ever killed were either for food, or to protect their livestock


Soon, they'll need babysitters to change
your diapers, for you, too.

**You are most welcome to come visit our wonderful nation and repeat
those words in my local pub. Anytime you want.


Why would I fly half way around the world to hang out with drunks,
when I don't drink?

**It is not compulsory to consume alcohol in pubs in Australia. In fact, it
is not compulsory to consume anything. You may just drop in for a chat with
the locals, if you wish. Of course, if you lack the balls to back up your
silly comments in person, that's a whole differrent matter. Your type
requires a gun to threaten people with your point of view. I use words, not
violent threats.

You use lies and deceit. I can no longer travel due to health
problems, but you'll continue to call me a coward, to cover your sorry
ass. The VA has stated that I am 100% disabled, and even a half hour in
a car is bad for the edema. I can post the VA letter if needed. It was
the last thing I wanted to see, but I probably only have a few years
left, & I am not going to risk DVT to please a little loser like you.

Travel to Florida if you want to meet. I promise I won't shoot you.

They need to up your medication, just like Phil.
How about the news story a few years ago, that reported your fine
government killing the man the 'Crocodile Dundee' character was based
on, for not giving up some of his guns?

**What news story? Care to cite that news story?

It was all over the web, several years ago. I guess you were too
busy looking for injured ducks, nonexistent dangerous lead in wetlands,
and selling crap audio to audiofools to read the news stories?

That is a nanny state.

**What is a "nanny state"? A state where criminals are arrested and
punished?

You really are a pathetic little sissy. A nanny state is a well
known phrase, and you've had it explained many times, but you refuse to
admit the consequences. You are an insult to your fine country, and a
lot of your countries veterans would spit in your face.

I understand where the 'Rage' comes from. you are angry at the world
for being a world class sissy who would rather die, than own a gun.

**Huh? Perhaps you'd care to explain that little leap of logic. On this
planet, it makes no sense.

Nothing makes sense, on your tiny 'planet'.

You are full of rage.

**So you say.


Against anyone who believes in owning a gun for protection.

**"Against anyone"? Huh? Please expalin this leap of logic.

^^^^^^^
I see you are starting to lose it, but then, you always do when you
can't con people. If you aren't against it, have you ever owned a gun,
or used one? Can you reliably hit the center of a target at 75 meters,
or more? Have you ever laid in mud, while firing a machine gun? Hell,
have you even fired a cap gun?

I guess all that cheap booze you drink in your local
pub has done excessive brain damage?

**I don't drink.

Sure you don't, yet you hang around drunks at your 'local pub'.

The US Army taught me to kill, but I haven't. I can own almost any
weapon short of a tank, rocket launcher, fighter jet or bomber, but I
still have never aimed a weapon at anyone. The only time I needed one,
all I had was a hot soldering iron but it was enough to scare off that
drunken fool.

**So?


So what? You have absolutely no clue, do you?

**I was asking what your point was. Perhaps you'd care to phrase it in
English.

You still won't understand, but it goes like this: A drunken jackass
barged into my room in the barracks while I was repairing someone's
stereo. He started yelling at me that I was breaking all kinds of BS
regulations, and 'ordered' me to stop what I was doing, or he was going
to take the soldering iron from me. I told him he could have it, then
lunged at him. He did the standing broad jump, backwards into a wall
locker and just cleared the hot tip by inches.

He then went to the CQ office to file assault charges. They told him
to go away and sleep it off, then came to my room and told me if I tried
that again, I'd better make damn sure I rammed it deep into his gut, or
they would write me up.

You are too addled to have made the connection between a hot
soldering iron, and the phrase, 'Slinging hot lead' for shooting. That
is no surprise, for a coward.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John - Melb wrote:

On Jun 18, 7:49 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**What is a "nanny state"? A state where criminals are arrested and
punished?

Yep, criminals are arrested and punished, except in Victoria when a
criminal is found is possession of an automatic pistol with the serial
number ground off!

Or selling over priced, crap audio?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5L2dncvi87vrPaTXnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:spSdnRg5TNAvraTXnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...

John - Melb wrote:

On Jun 17, 9:40 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:

**The figures for people legitemately shooting alleged criminals (I
say
alleged, because in places like Texas, it would seem that the
authorites are
now prepared to accept the word of the 'last man standing', as to
the
legitemacy of the shooting) are miniscule in the extreme. FBI
figures
show
that, in the US, something like 400-odd people are shot and killed
by
police
in so-called 'justifiable homicide' acts each year. This figure
needs
to be
examined in the same light as the number killed by civilians in
similar
circumstances. The figure for civilians is approximately 230 PA.
That
figure
needs to be tempered by the inadequacies of the laws in places like
Texas,
where lip service is paid by LEOs under many circumstances.
Additionally,
one must bear in mind that the number of civilians killed by gunshot
each
year in the US is approximately 10,000. Clearly, carrying guns for
self
defence purposes is a failed experiment. It is an experiment that
many
of
the nutters in the pro-gun lobby, here in Australia, wish to
duplicate.
These are the same individuals who seem to feel that shooting native
ducks
and other indigenous critters is, somehow, sporting. They seem to
consider
that the indiscriminate spraying of lead shot into pristine
environments,
whilst causing the needless suffering of wild animals is all in a
good
cause.

Trevor has posted such rants before, he posts them here because he
doesn't believe that anybody know enough about the subject matter to
challenge him, every time he posts such rants on gun related group he
gets spanked badly.

Reading the above Trevor, are you again asserting that a Defensive Gun
Use (DGU) requires a dead body, and if there's no dead body, then the
DGU didn't happen?

He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed
Carry' permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that
refuse to allow you to carry have the highest.

**Really? Give me the homicide figures for (say) NYC, where concealed
carry
is illegal and Miami, where concealed carry is legal.


Miami is a cesspool of illegal aliens, drug dealing and street
gangs. It is also a large area, and some parts are not safe. it also
has a lot of the Cuban criminals that Casto dumped out of his prsions.
Like the early days in Oz.

**Here is your claim:

"He is ignoring the fact that areas of the US that issue 'Concealed Carry'
permits have the lowest number of gun crimes, and the ones that refuse to
allow you to carry have the highest."

You neatly avoided answering my questions. Answers which would have shown
your rhetoric to be complete and utter bollocks. Let's compare (say) Houston
(where concealed carry is legal) to NYC. Is that better?

Or that a lot of that
crime is by gangs shooting at each other, or illegal aliens committing
crimes, and shooting anyone who can identify them. In other words he
is
a liar, and idiot for thinking no one will knew he's a liar.

**The issue is not which US citizens are killing each other, but how they
were so easily able to acquire the firearms. Lax US gun control laws,
across
all jurisdictions, ensure that those with violent tendencies can easily
obtain the weapons that they require.


Easily? Go to a gun shop, let them run a Federal background check,
and buy one. Or in your case, steal one.

**Yes. Easily. Across the US, each year, there are hundreds of 'gun shows'.
At these 'gun shows' dealers, posing as private citizens sell thousands of
guns to criminals. They can do so, because there are virtually zero
restrictions on the sale of 'second hand' guns. Even if that gun has only
been 'second hand' for a couple of minutes and has never been fired. Here in
Australia (and pretty much the rest of the developed world) ALL gun sales
must be recorded and tracked. Even secondary sales. Such an action ensures
that fewer guns end up in the hands of criminals.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

5) As criminals are caught (and many are caught), their guns are
confiscated. Thus, if proper controls were instituted in places
like
the
US,
fewer illegal guns would end up in the hands of Australian
criminals.
Eventually, almost no criminal would have access to guns.


So, there are no lathes or milling machines in Oz? No one with any
metalworking skills, or any machine tools at their homes? All early
guns & rifles were made completely by hand. In your fantasy world,
no
one would have hands, any tools, food or anything else, because you
can
kill with almost anything you think of. What would you do without
water? It doesn't take long to hold someone's head under water,
till
the drown. It only takes a couple gallons. Your shoe laces can be
tied
around someone's neck, to choke them to death. You can run them down
with a car or truck.

**Banal logic noted. FYI: It is legal for law-abiding Australians to
own
guns. Australians who wish to own a gun, do not need to manufacture
one.
In fact, the cost of a hand made gun, plus it's potential for poor
reliability and accuracy, makes it a non-viable option. Any criminal
with the equipment and skills to manufacture a firearm, is likely to
be
gainfully employed anyway, so is unlikely to want to manufacture such
a weapon.


You are too stupid to understand a metalworking hobby? or are you
claiming that no one in Oz is smart enough to take some of the right
steel and turn out a quality project, outside of a CNC machine shop?
You make oz sound more and more like hell on earth.

You can make all the guns or rifles you want in the US, but you can't
sell them. Some guys can make anything you can think of, and have home
machine shops you wouldn't believe. Some own businesses where they need
the equipment, and do their own projects after hours. Just because you
aren't smart enough to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done cheaper and
better at home.



And you call American's paranoid.

**I call it the way the entire world sees it. Americans ARE extremely
paranoid.


The only comments I see with that view are America hating little
loser, like you, the Dreaded 'Dead Donkey', and Phil.

**Really. Try here:

http://www.counterpunch.org/heard0917.html

And here:

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html

And here:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061225/hayes

Between you & Phil, I can see why Oz wants to disarm everyone.

**Non-sequitur. It is legal for law-abiding Australians to own
firearms.
I have no problem with this, as long as they adhere to the law of the
land. On a personal level, I am bothered by the disturbing actions of
SOME gun owners, who seem to enjoy killing, for the sake of it. They
have little concern for the suffering of animals, nor for the
contamination of pristine environments with lead.


Really?

**Yes. Really.


When does the mother ship take you back to your tiny

planet?

**Why do you consider that the needless misery and death of native ducks is
a good thing? Most of the ducks shot, die slowly and are not eaten. They're
shot for 'fun'. Why do you find this acceptable? Why do you find it
acceptable to spread lead around pristine environments?


You don't know shit about modern ammunition, or the fact that

lead, in its pure form is not hazardous.

**Lead degrades in nature. Are you unaware of this?

Your ignorance is showing

again, moron.

**I know that lead is a dangerous toxin. I know that regular shooters show
elevated blood/lead levels. Are you unaware of ths?

BTW, have you ever had the pleasure of firing a bazooka,

or using a thermite grenade?

**I have no interest in such things.

Watching one burn a hole straight through

an engine block is simply amazing, but I've seen some overpriced audio
crap that deserve the same treatment.


This shows how little you know about machining gun parts. Just like
audio, you are clueless.

**Would you care to explain these comments?


How do you explain 'clueless' to the clueless? Or stupid to the
stupid. You remind me of a mentally disabled kid I know who brags that
he is an 'Idiot Savant', yet can't do anything more complex than mow
yards for his income.



Some people build assault rifles in home workshops that rival anything
mass produced.

**Which would be illegal in Australia. The penalty for doing so is quite
severe. Far in excess of the value of the weapon. Anyone with the
equipment
and talent to do so, would likely be gainfully employed.


IE, a 'Nanny State' where the government does your thinking for you,
because you are so helpless. they can't let their babies do anything to
hurt themselves. A severe penalty for a hobby that hurts no one. What
a place to stay away from.

**The "hobby" of gun ownership in the US leads to the murder of around
10,000 US citizens each year. Hardly a harmless "hobby".

They are more accurate, less likely to jam, and are easier to repair
than
a Chinese import. As far as killing for sport, I don't know anyone who
does that.

**YOU may not. The people who lobby for the industry in Australia fully
support the needless suffering of native animals and the polluting of
pristine environments with lead.


More idiots, like the 'global warming' and 'free energy' crowds?

**Huh? Global Warming is a fact of life. Of course, your decision to ignore
the work done by the IPCC is your business. It just makes you look like a
moron. By "free energy", I presume you mean perpetual motion. That, of
course, is bunk.

That's no surprise.

**What is no surprise? That you have managed to ignore the work from the
IPCC? Not to me. You display some serious thinking deficiencies. You are
unable to clearly articulate your words and you seem to have severe
cognitive problems. Have you had your blood/lead levels checked lately? Lead
poisoning affects brain chemistry. You're probably suffering lead poisoning.
It's common amongst shooters who don't wear respirators whilst shooting. Do
you wear a respirator whilst shooting?

I'm sure that they stand there in front of your

government officials to demand the right to maim animals, What a
moron. No wonder everyone says you are too stupid to live.


Guns have been in the family for generations, and the only animals
ever killed were either for food, or to protect their livestock


Soon, they'll need babysitters to change
your diapers, for you, too.

**You are most welcome to come visit our wonderful nation and repeat
those words in my local pub. Anytime you want.


Why would I fly half way around the world to hang out with drunks,
when I don't drink?

**It is not compulsory to consume alcohol in pubs in Australia. In fact,
it
is not compulsory to consume anything. You may just drop in for a chat
with
the locals, if you wish. Of course, if you lack the balls to back up your
silly comments in person, that's a whole differrent matter. Your type
requires a gun to threaten people with your point of view. I use words,
not
violent threats.


You use lies and deceit.

**Well, no. I cite facts and figures. You squirm and obfuscate. You avoid
answering direct questions that shatter your bullshit.

I can no longer travel due to health

problems, but you'll continue to call me a coward, to cover your sorry
ass.

**You ARE a fucking coward. No other answer for it. I've travelled to the US
and discussed gun control with Americans. Some were pro-gun control and some
were not. I still had the balls to sit and discuss the matters with those on
the opther side, FACE TO FACE. Something you won't do.

The VA has stated that I am 100% disabled, and even a half hour in

a car is bad for the edema. I can post the VA letter if needed. It was
the last thing I wanted to see, but I probably only have a few years
left, & I am not going to risk DVT to please a little loser like you.

Travel to Florida if you want to meet. I promise I won't shoot you.

**I have zero interest in travelling to a US jurisdiction where civilians
are allowed to carry guns around the streets. Americans are too willing to
shoot first and ask questions later.

They need to up your medication, just like Phil.
How about the news story a few years ago, that reported your fine
government killing the man the 'Crocodile Dundee' character was based
on, for not giving up some of his guns?

**What news story? Care to cite that news story?


It was all over the web, several years ago.

**I'm still waiting for the cite. What news story?

I guess you were too

busy looking for injured ducks, nonexistent dangerous lead in wetlands,
and selling crap audio to audiofools to read the news stories?

**Still waiting.

That is a nanny state.

**What is a "nanny state"? A state where criminals are arrested and
punished?


You really are a pathetic little sissy.

**You're a pretty tough guy, holed up in your fortress in Florida, with all
your guns. Feel free to call me that to my face. Any time. I don't own any
guns.

A nanny state is a well

known phrase, and you've had it explained many times, but you refuse to
admit the consequences.

**Humour me. Explain what you mean. Be precise.

You are an insult to your fine country, and a

lot of your countries veterans would spit in your face.

**I number some of my relatives amongst those returned service people. Not
only do none own any guns, but they have never spat in my face either.

I understand where the 'Rage' comes from. you are angry at the
world
for being a world class sissy who would rather die, than own a gun.

**Huh? Perhaps you'd care to explain that little leap of logic. On
this
planet, it makes no sense.


Nothing makes sense, on your tiny 'planet'.

**Lack of response duly noted.

You are full of rage.

**So you say.


Against anyone who believes in owning a gun for protection.

**"Against anyone"? Huh? Please expalin this leap of logic.

^^^^^^^
I see you are starting to lose it, but then, you always do when you
can't con people. If you aren't against it, have you ever owned a gun,
or used one?

**I've fired a couple of guns. I've never owned one. I have no desire to own
one.

Can you reliably hit the center of a target at 75 meters,

or more?

**Probably.

Have you ever laid in mud, while firing a machine gun?

**Not a chance.

Hell,

have you even fired a cap gun?

**Indeed. I left that behind long ago. It has about the same attraction as
shooting a regular gun. IOW: None at all.

I guess all that cheap booze you drink in your local
pub has done excessive brain damage?

**I don't drink.


Sure you don't, yet you hang around drunks at your 'local pub'.

**Where did I say that I hang around a pub?

The US Army taught me to kill, but I haven't. I can own almost
any
weapon short of a tank, rocket launcher, fighter jet or bomber, but
I
still have never aimed a weapon at anyone. The only time I needed
one,
all I had was a hot soldering iron but it was enough to scare off
that
drunken fool.

**So?


So what? You have absolutely no clue, do you?

**I was asking what your point was. Perhaps you'd care to phrase it in
English.


You still won't understand, but it goes like this: A drunken jackass
barged into my room in the barracks while I was repairing someone's
stereo. He started yelling at me that I was breaking all kinds of BS
regulations, and 'ordered' me to stop what I was doing, or he was going
to take the soldering iron from me. I told him he could have it, then
lunged at him. He did the standing broad jump, backwards into a wall
locker and just cleared the hot tip by inches.

He then went to the CQ office to file assault charges. They told him
to go away and sleep it off, then came to my room and told me if I tried
that again, I'd better make damn sure I rammed it deep into his gut, or
they would write me up.

You are too addled to have made the connection between a hot
soldering iron, and the phrase, 'Slinging hot lead' for shooting. That
is no surprise, for a coward.

**I see. I'm the only one here who has the balls to front those who hold a
different opinion, face to face, unarmed adn _I_ am the coward? Is that
about it?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Epsilon]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Here in Australia (and pretty much the rest of
the developed world) ALL gun sales must be recorded and tracked. Even
secondary sales. Such an action ensures that fewer guns end up in the
hands of criminals.

It's more likely that fewer guns end up in the hands of law-abiding people
who, when they have the occasional brain-snaps, don't have that particular
means at hand to do as they wish.

So far as criminals are concerned, the restrictions on the sale of guns
means very little. For example, the events in Melbourne this week.