PRC as a amplifier in GPS question.

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:56:10 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
Joerg wrote:
terryc wrote:
Joerg wrote:

Pure electric-only EVs aren't the answer. It'll be HEVs that most
likely win
the day.
Hydrogen? Where's that going to be coming from?
Exactly. My 2c is on a proper hybrid where the ICE(petrol or diesel)
simply runs a generator that tops up the battery bank.
I would really like to see if that works out more efficent that all the
inefficencies of current direct drive ICEs.
That's how the Toyota Prius works. Gets between 40mpg and 60mpg
according to what owners told me.
Which isn't all that impressive by European or Japanese standards of
fuel efficiency. A BMW 3 series deisel saloon will manage that. eg

http://saveyourcash.co.uk/fuel/cardatadetail.aspx?mfr=BMW&model=3-Series-E90/E91/E92/E93&id=632

Urban 39.8 Motorway 64.2 mpg to save you following the link.

Multiply by 0.8 to get US mpg.


US fluid ounces are a bit bigger than Imperial, so the ratio isn't
1.25:1 as you might expect, but almost exactly 1.20:1.

So a US fl oz doesn't weigh an ounce ?

---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_ounce

Lucky then that almost no-one these days uses them isn't it ?

---
You never miss an opportunity to be a nasty little bitch, do you?

Are you suggesting that fl oz make any kind of sense ?

---
Most of the world seems to think so:

news:3fld34969bstq3nsjriarf75342rdrj9sf@4ax.com


Especially when there THREE different definitions.

---
So what?

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:28:03 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jeroen Belleman wrote:

John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_ounce
Lucky then that almost no-one these days uses them isn't it ?

---
You never miss an opportunity to be a nasty little bitch, do you?


Haha! This Wikipedia article is one of the best arguments in
favour of the metric system I've come across. What a mess!

At least the British fl oz actually weighs an ounce ! But no-one here
uses them any more. Not for ages in fact.

---
Really? One size of Lea & Perrins Worcestershire sauce is clearly
labeled as containing 15 fluid ounces.
---

We have kept the pint though for certain uses (different to a US pint of
course) for traditional reasons. Asking for 568ml of beer doesn't quite
have the same ring to it.

---
So it's OK for you to keep a pint a pint because it's traditional for
you, but even though it's traditional for us, as well, it's not OK for
us?

Fuck you, you condescending, two-faced piece of shit. Or, in your
case, I guess that would be 'shite'

JF

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
Joerg wrote:
terryc wrote:
Joerg wrote:

Pure electric-only EVs aren't the answer. It'll be HEVs that most
likely win
the day.
Hydrogen? Where's that going to be coming from?
Exactly. My 2c is on a proper hybrid where the ICE(petrol or diesel)
simply runs a generator that tops up the battery bank.
I would really like to see if that works out more efficent that all the
inefficencies of current direct drive ICEs.
That's how the Toyota Prius works. Gets between 40mpg and 60mpg
according to what owners told me.
Which isn't all that impressive by European or Japanese standards of
fuel efficiency. A BMW 3 series deisel saloon will manage that. eg

http://saveyourcash.co.uk/fuel/cardatadetail.aspx?mfr=BMW&model=3-Series-E90/E91/E92/E93&id=632

Urban 39.8 Motorway 64.2 mpg to save you following the link.

Multiply by 0.8 to get US mpg.


US fluid ounces are a bit bigger than Imperial, so the ratio isn't
1.25:1 as you might expect, but almost exactly 1.20:1.

So a US fl oz doesn't weigh an ounce ?

---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_ounce

Lucky then that almost no-one these days uses them isn't it ?

---
You never miss an opportunity to be a nasty little bitch, do you?

Are you suggesting that fl oz make any kind of sense ?

---
Most of the world seems to think so:

news:3fld34969bstq3nsjriarf75342rdrj9sf@4ax.com

They only put fl oz on those for the export market. You won't see it in the non-US market. You see ml ONLY in
most of the world.

Especially when there THREE different definitions.

---
So what?

Because it doesn't have a standardised value.

A fl oz could be

28.41 ml
29.57 ml or
30 ml

Bloody stupid if you ask me.


Graham

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

Jeroen Belleman wrote:

John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_ounce
Lucky then that almost no-one these days uses them isn't it ?

---
You never miss an opportunity to be a nasty little bitch, do you?


Haha! This Wikipedia article is one of the best arguments in
favour of the metric system I've come across. What a mess!

At least the British fl oz actually weighs an ounce !

So, the volume changes, depending on what is in the container?

But no-one here
uses them any more. Not for ages in fact.

We have kept the pint though for certain uses (different to a US pint of
course) for traditional reasons. Asking for 568ml of beer doesn't quite
have the same ring to it. ;~)

Gaham

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:28:03 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jeroen Belleman wrote:

John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_ounce
Lucky then that almost no-one these days uses them isn't it ?

---
You never miss an opportunity to be a nasty little bitch, do you?


Haha! This Wikipedia article is one of the best arguments in
favour of the metric system I've come across. What a mess!

At least the British fl oz actually weighs an ounce ! But no-one here
uses them any more. Not for ages in fact.

---
Really? One size of Lea & Perrins Worcestershire sauce is clearly
labeled as containing 15 fluid ounces.

Not UK fl oz of course.

I did just check my own bottle of L&P and to my surprise it's labelled "
150ml (5.3 fl oz) " but those are UK fl oz. There is no actual prohibition of
dual marking but almost no-one does it and it wouldn't be US fl oz since they
aren't legal here. Your bottle would be 15.6 fl oz here. Proof it any were
needed that what you have there is an example of export labelling for the US
market. It bears no resemblance in any other way either to the UK bottle
which is distinguishable by its orange label e.g.
http://www.leaperrins.ca/homeEN.asp

I also checked a few other items and no others had fl oz on them. They're all
in ml.


Graham

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:04:37 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
Joerg wrote:
terryc wrote:
Joerg wrote:

Pure electric-only EVs aren't the answer. It'll be HEVs that most
likely win
the day.
Hydrogen? Where's that going to be coming from?
Exactly. My 2c is on a proper hybrid where the ICE(petrol or diesel)
simply runs a generator that tops up the battery bank.
I would really like to see if that works out more efficent that all the
inefficencies of current direct drive ICEs.
That's how the Toyota Prius works. Gets between 40mpg and 60mpg
according to what owners told me.
Which isn't all that impressive by European or Japanese standards of
fuel efficiency. A BMW 3 series deisel saloon will manage that. eg

http://saveyourcash.co.uk/fuel/cardatadetail.aspx?mfr=BMW&model=3-Series-E90/E91/E92/E93&id=632

Urban 39.8 Motorway 64.2 mpg to save you following the link.

Multiply by 0.8 to get US mpg.


US fluid ounces are a bit bigger than Imperial, so the ratio isn't
1.25:1 as you might expect, but almost exactly 1.20:1.

So a US fl oz doesn't weigh an ounce ?

---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_ounce

Lucky then that almost no-one these days uses them isn't it ?

---
You never miss an opportunity to be a nasty little bitch, do you?

Are you suggesting that fl oz make any kind of sense ?

---
Most of the world seems to think so:

news:3fld34969bstq3nsjriarf75342rdrj9sf@4ax.com

They only put fl oz on those for the export market. You won't see it in the non-US market. You see ml ONLY in
most of the world.

---
Then those are US fluid ounces, which is what we're used to, so
there's certainly no confusion there.
---

Especially when there THREE different definitions.

---
So what?

Because it doesn't have a standardised value.

A fl oz could be

28.41 ml
29.57 ml or
30 ml

Bloody stupid if you ask me.

---
But if what we get are US fluid ounces, then there's no conflict and
the only thing that remains bloody stupid is you.

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:21:44 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:28:03 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jeroen Belleman wrote:

John Fields wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_ounce
Lucky then that almost no-one these days uses them isn't it ?

---
You never miss an opportunity to be a nasty little bitch, do you?


Haha! This Wikipedia article is one of the best arguments in
favour of the metric system I've come across. What a mess!

At least the British fl oz actually weighs an ounce ! But no-one here
uses them any more. Not for ages in fact.

---
Really? One size of Lea & Perrins Worcestershire sauce is clearly
labeled as containing 15 fluid ounces.

Not UK fl oz of course.

I did just check my own bottle of L&P and to my surprise it's labelled "
150ml (5.3 fl oz) " but those are UK fl oz. There is no actual prohibition of
dual marking but almost no-one does it

---
So it's gone from: "But no-one here uses them any more. Not for ages
in fact." to: "but almost no-one does it" ?
---

and it wouldn't be US fl oz since they
aren't legal here. Your bottle would be 15.6 fl oz here. Proof it any were
needed that what you have there is an example of export labelling for the US
market.

---
Sorry, Charlie, The label you saw came from a bottle that clearly
states: "Made by Lea & Perrins, Inc., Fair Lawn, N.J. 07410 so it's
not exported at all, except out of New Jersey.
---

It bears no resemblance in any other way either to the UK bottle

which is distinguishable by its orange label e.g.
http://www.leaperrins.ca/homeEN.asp

I also checked a few other items and no others had fl oz on them. They're all
in ml.

---
So why do you get your knickers in a bunch if our bottles have the
quantity of their contents stated in fluid ounces? We like it, it's
our country, and for the rest of you we also list the quantity in
metric units, so quit your whining and get on with your meaningless
life.

JF

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:---

But if what we get are US fluid ounces, then there's no conflict and
the only thing that remains bloody stupid is you.

You'd be confused by a BRITISH bottle of L&P then !

As for your love of fl oz, well if you like living in some backwater, who am I to care. I believe Myanmar (a.k.sa.
Burma) still uses 'tradional measures' too but most likely the British versions. Other than that you're on your
own.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Sorry, Charlie, The label you saw came from a bottle that clearly
states: "Made by Lea & Perrins, Inc., Fair Lawn, N.J. 07410 so it's
not exported at all, except out of New Jersey.

Not the genuine thing then obviously ! Certainly never ever went anywhere near
Worcestershire. ;~)

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

So why do you get your knickers in a bunch if our bottles have the
quantity of their contents stated in fluid ounces?

I didn't.

It was YOU who got your knickers in a twist when I commented that US liquid
measure is all at sea.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

gaby de wilde wrote:

It was among the fastest, most efficient
production cars ever built.

What a load of nonsense.

LIES like that just make you look stupid.

Graham

 

[gaby de wilde]

On May 16, 2:54 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just saw the movie Who Killed the Electric Car?:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

Fantastic!
Everyone should watch this one.
The IMDB user comment is spot on - " This film WILL frustrate you greatly"
In fact, it's enough to make you want to cry.

Can't believe I had never heard of the movie before the other day.

Dave.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7202740060236675590
"Who Killed the Electric Car? It was among the fastest, most efficient
production cars ever built. It ran on electricity, produced no
emissions and catapulted American technology to the forefront of the
automotive industry. The lucky few who drove it never wanted to give
it up. So why did General Motors crush its fleet of EV1 electric
vehicles in the Arizona desert?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F
Who Killed the Electric Car? is a 2006 documentary film that explores
the birth, limited commercialization, and subsequent death of the
battery electric vehicle in the United States, specifically the
General Motors EV1 of the 1990s. The film explores the roles of
automobile manufacturers, the oil industry, the US government,
batteries, hydrogen vehicles, and consumers in limiting the
development and adoption of this technology.

It was released on DVD to the home video market on November 14, 2006
by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment.

During an interview with CBS News, director Chris Paine announced that
he would be making a sequel called Who Saved the Electric Car? This
idea was later scrapped as there were not enough topics to discuss.[1]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=electric+car
6880 results

http://www.google.com/search?q=electric+car
10,300,000 results

"The sequel was later scrapped as there were not enough topics to
discuss."

?

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 18:12:14 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:---

But if what we get are US fluid ounces, then there's no conflict and
the only thing that remains bloody stupid is you.

You'd be confused by a BRITISH bottle of L&P then !

---
Hardly, since I can deal with milliliters as well as fluid ounces,
while it seems _you_ have an aversion to the latter.
---

As for your love of fl oz, well if you like living in some backwater, who am I to care.

---
Precisely, and why should you care if, as some Russian doctors we
hosted in our home for a few weeks a while back said: "You live in
paradise.", since it's no business of yours either way.
---

I believe Myanmar (a.k.sa. Burma) still uses 'tradional measures'
too but most likely the British versions. Other than that you're on your
own.

---
So you subscribe to the: "Your end of the boat is sinking."
Foolosophy?

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 18:14:14 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Sorry, Charlie, The label you saw came from a bottle that clearly
states: "Made by Lea & Perrins, Inc., Fair Lawn, N.J. 07410 so it's
not exported at all, except out of New Jersey.

Not the genuine thing then obviously ! Certainly never ever went anywhere near
Worcestershire. ;~)

---
No, but I've certainly lived in enough places out of the US to
remember having seen the orange label.

BTW, did you know that Lea and Perrins is owned by Heinz?

http://www.heinz.com/World.aspx#23

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 18:15:20 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

So why do you get your knickers in a bunch if our bottles have the
quantity of their contents stated in fluid ounces?

I didn't.

---
Sure you did.

You stated, in your always America-bashing way, that there was no way
to standardize the measure, when what appears on our bottles is
standard US fluid ounces and standard everywhere milliliters. (Which,
BTW, yields a handy conversion, if it's necessary) That works for us,
which really rankles you since you want to think that we're all
slack-jawed knuckle-draggers and the UK is the elite be-all and
end-all of everything, even though your Lea and Perrins bottle sports
both fluid ounces and milliliters, just like ours, and is owned by an
American company, Heinz.
---

It was YOU who got your knickers in a twist when I commented that US liquid
measure is all at sea.

---
Disagreeing with you is hardly getting my knickers in a twist, and if
it's a sea of our own, as you imply, why should that concern you?

The fact is, you ingrate, that you and your ilk are so into England
becoming the Washington, D.C. of the United States of Europe and don't
want to have to admit that the US is the model which you're emulating
that you'll go to great lengths to try to discredit us, even though we
had the idea first.

After India, of course.

But what did that democracy mean to you as a system of government?

Nothing.

All you were interested in was lining your coffers with ill-gotten
goods.

The same goes for the middle east, where you chopped up territories
according to the whims of politicians and other idiots who thought
they knew what might be good borders and created enemies where none
had existed before.

Truth be told, IMO, you people are the reason for the unrest in the
middle east and why the tensions in the world are now where they are.

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 19:37:21 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

gaby de wilde wrote:

It was among the fastest, most efficient
production cars ever built.

What a load of nonsense.

LIES like that just make you look stupid.

---
Lies?

How would _you_ know?

No matter what you say, whatever you say makes you look stupid, so why
do you keep hanging around?

I guess you're looking for your fair share of abuse.

JF

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

Bloody stupid if you ask me.

Yes, you are. Thank you for finally admitting it.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

Not UK fl oz of course.

I did just check my own bottle of L&P and to my surprise it's labelled "
150ml (5.3 fl oz) " but those are UK fl oz. There is no actual prohibition of
dual marking but almost no-one does it and it wouldn't be US fl oz since they
aren't legal here. Your bottle would be 15.6 fl oz here. Proof it any were
needed that what you have there is an example of export labelling for the US
market. It bears no resemblance in any other way either to the UK bottle
which is distinguishable by its orange label e.g.
http://www.leaperrins.ca/homeEN.asp

I also checked a few other items and no others had fl oz on them. They're all
in ml.

They don't want to confuse small minds like yours, that can't do more
then the simplest math.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 23 May 2008 19:37:21 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



gaby de wilde wrote:

It was among the fastest, most efficient
production cars ever built.

What a load of nonsense.

LIES like that just make you look stupid.

---
Lies?

How would _you_ know?

No matter what you say, whatever you say makes you look stupid, so why
do you keep hanging around?

I guess you're looking for your fair share of abuse.

He's greedy. He wants ALL of the abuse.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
John Fields wrote:

So why do you get your knickers in a bunch if our bottles have the
quantity of their contents stated in fluid ounces?

I didn't.

---
Sure you did.

You stated, in your always America-bashing way, that there was no way
to standardize the measure,

I said there are 3 standards.

when what appears on our bottles is
standard US fluid ounces and standard everywhere milliliters. (Which,
BTW, yields a handy conversion, if it's necessary) That works for us,
which really rankles you since you want to think that we're all
slack-jawed knuckle-draggers and the UK is the elite be-all and
end-all of everything, even though your Lea and Perrins bottle sports
both fluid ounces and milliliters, just like ours,

No, it's marked in ml and BRITISH fl oz over here. Yours is marked in US fl oz
and ml.

and is owned by an
American company, Heinz.

So what ?

It was YOU who got your knickers in a twist when I commented that US liquid
measure is all at sea.

---
Disagreeing with you is hardly getting my knickers in a twist, and if
it's a sea of our own, as you imply, why should that concern you?

I'm not interested in playing your silly game any more.

Graham