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I seriously doubt the Romans had a minimum age limit
for drinking, the froggies are fairly lax on that even in the
present day.
In Francophone countries, children generally drink wine at an early age --
diluted with water. See, for example, the dinner scene at the end of the
original "The Fly". Adult Greeks commonly cut wine with water, apparently to
reduce the chance of intoxication.
 
On 06/08/2012 15:02, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I seriously doubt the Romans had a minimum age limit
for drinking, the froggies are fairly lax on that even in the
present day.

In Francophone countries, children generally drink wine at an early age --
diluted with water. See, for example, the dinner scene at the end of the
original "The Fly". Adult Greeks commonly cut wine with water, apparently to
reduce the chance of intoxication.
The minimum legal age in the UK (including Scotland?) for children to
consume alcohol is 5. The 18-year-old restriction is for purchasing and
consumption in pubs, off licences, etc. ISTR that 14-year-olds can
consume alcohol with food in restaurants.

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Peter
 
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:22:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

They haven't starved in India for almost half a century now.
Then why do they continue to work with obviously unsafe materials,
under unsafe conditions, for about $2.40 or $5.80 per day (depending
on which article below you trust)? If there were alternatives to this
kind of work, why is the work still being done?

India and most of the 3rd world countries have come a long way in
education and information distribution in the last 20 years. It's
highly likely they would have seen the news reports on the internet,
read them in the papers, or heard rumors of their inevitable demise
from lead poisoning. Yet, they continue to work with the stuff. While
there might be other reasons, I suspect that lack of alternative work
might be the major reason.

"Ship breaking business a big hit this year" $5.80/day
http://www.instantnews.net/ship-breaking-business-a-big-hit-this-year.aspx
Incidentally, the article has an error. India does not have a minimum
wage.

"India's Shipbreakers Risk Death at $2.40 a Day as Economy Booms"
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ao0a9tcrA_0A>

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Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote
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William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote

The ROHS rationale was to protect the health of folks doing
recycling.

That's only part of it. It's supposedly true that rain (and other
solvents)
leech lead from electronic equipment, and it winds up in drinking
water.

Therein lies an example of why we have the RoHS BS.

But lead was mined out of the ground in the first place!

But not much of the drinking water comes from where its mined.

Not that I think it makes any sense at all to ban lead in solder.

Much drinking water in the UK was, and continues to be, supplied via
lead pipes, and not all areas have 'hard' water supplies that coat the
inside of those pipes with a 'protective' limescale layer.

Yebbut, some have blamed the decline of the
roman empire on their use of lead plumbing pipes.

I think the theory was more to do with them using lead acetate (sugar of
lead) to sweeten their wine than of lead pipes to deliver water.

It was both. And like I said, the pipes claim is more plausible with
kids.

I seriously doubt the Romans had a minimum age limit for drinking,
Me too, but I doubt too many of the kids drank anything
like as much of it as the adults did for various reasons.

the froggies are fairly lax on that even in the present day.
Yes, but again, they don't drink anything like as much of it as the adults
do.
 
Ramsman <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote
William Sommerwerck wrote

I seriously doubt the Romans had a minimum age limit
for drinking, the froggies are fairly lax on that even in the
present day.

In Francophone countries, children generally
drink wine at an early age -- diluted with water.
That was pretty common in Britain at one time too.

And still happens with beer, shandys etc.

See, for example, the dinner scene at the end of the
original "The Fly". Adult Greeks commonly cut wine with
water, apparently to reduce the chance of intoxication.

The minimum legal age in the UK (including Scotland?) for children
to consume alcohol is 5. The 18-year-old restriction is for purchasing
and consumption in pubs, off licences, etc. ISTR that 14-year-olds
can consume alcohol with food in restaurants.
There is no minimum legal age in australia. Again,
the legal restriction is on purchase, not consumption.
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

They haven't starved in India for almost half a century now.

Then why do they continue to work with obviously unsafe
materials, under unsafe conditions, for about $2.40 or $5.80
per day (depending on which article below you trust)?
Because the living standards are MUCH lower than in the west.

And there is no nice tidy $/day either, the income at
that level depends a hell of a lot on luck on the day etc.

If there were alternatives to this kind of
work, why is the work still being done?
Because there are no alternatives for many of them.

That's an entirely separate matter to whether they would
actually starve to death if they werent allowed to collect
the lead from batterys burnt on piles of batterys.

India and most of the 3rd world countries have come a long way
in education and information distribution in the last 20 years.
Irrelevant to that particular question of
how many of them starve to death today.

It's highly likely they would have seen the news reports
on the internet, read them in the papers, or heard rumors
of their inevitable demise from lead poisoning.
Those street urchins arent even literate.

Yet, they continue to work with the stuff.
They continue to run around in the traffic begging
from the cars that have to stop temporarily too.

While there might be other reasons, I suspect that
lack of alternative work might be the major reason.
Separate matter entirely to how many
of them actually starve to death today.

"Ship breaking business a big hit this year" $5.80/day
That number is straight from someone's arse, we can tell from the smell.

http://www.instantnews.net/ship-breaking-business-a-big-hit-this-year.aspx
Incidentally, the article has an error. India does not have a minimum
wage.
Its also no news that shipbreaking has been big business in India for
decades now.

"India's Shipbreakers Risk Death at $2.40 a Day as Economy Booms"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ao0a9tcrA_0A
That number is straight from someone's arse, we can tell from the smell.
 

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