Posting suggestions

[Leonard Caillouet]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that Sam
publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for assistance
on the group. It should be right up front and include:

1) Include the model, chassis, year, type of product, and symptom in the
SUBJECT LINE.

2) Include as much diagnostic information as you have in clear concise,
grammatically correct language.

3) Include a description of your technical ability and experience level
with the product.

4) etc.

Anyone else have some suggestions. How about it Sam?

Leonard Caillouet

 

[sofie]

Leonard Caillouet:
These are very fine suggestions but I doubt that many newbie posters will be
bothered to read it and follow the suggestions. I am certain that it is
obvious to you that many posters appear to be too lazy to do even a initial
and simple internet search with their computer's search engine to find for
themselves easily available information before they post on the newsgroup.
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
---------------------------------------------


"Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> wrote in message

Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that Sam
publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for assistance
on the group. It should be right up front and include:

1) Include the model, chassis, year, type of product, and symptom in the
SUBJECT LINE.

2) Include as much diagnostic information as you have in clear concise,
grammatically correct language.

3) Include a description of your technical ability and experience level
with the product.

4) etc.

Anyone else have some suggestions. How about it Sam?

Leonard Caillouet

 

[Leonard Caillouet]

So when they post without a reasonable amount of info just point them to the
guidelines and let them come back. We won't have to explain it to each one.

Leonard Caillouet

"sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:vqaqigiv5hj798@corp.supernews.com...

Leonard Caillouet:
These are very fine suggestions but I doubt that many newbie posters will
be
bothered to read it and follow the suggestions. I am certain that it is
obvious to you that many posters appear to be too lazy to do even a
initial
and simple internet search with their computer's search engine to find for
themselves easily available information before they post on the newsgroup.
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
---------------------------------------------


"Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> wrote in message
Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that
Sam
publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for
assistance
on the group. It should be right up front and include:

1) Include the model, chassis, year, type of product, and symptom in
the
SUBJECT LINE.

2) Include as much diagnostic information as you have in clear concise,
grammatically correct language.

3) Include a description of your technical ability and experience level
with the product.

4) etc.

Anyone else have some suggestions. How about it Sam?

Leonard Caillouet

 

[Richard Principal]

you are forgetting the idiots that post "PLEASE HELP"


Then at the end of the day, you can make all the rules under the sun, and
most of them dont give a shit.



"Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> wrote in message
news:Axcpb.9521$Re.995@lakeread06...
: Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that Sam
: publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for assistance
: on the group. It should be right up front and include:
:
: 1) Include the model, chassis, year, type of product, and symptom in the
: SUBJECT LINE.
:
: 2) Include as much diagnostic information as you have in clear concise,
: grammatically correct language.
:
: 3) Include a description of your technical ability and experience level
: with the product.
:
: 4) etc.
:
: Anyone else have some suggestions. How about it Sam?
:
: Leonard Caillouet
:
:

 

[Leonard Caillouet]

I don't think they are all idiots. I don't mind helping them. Like I said,
all you have to do is reply with a reference to the posting guidelines and
if they don't follow them just ignore the request.

Maybe I'll just put together a stock response that has some suggestions that
I can paste into a message when I see these posts.

Leonard Caillouet

"Richard Principal" <truancy@school.com> wrote in message
news:3fa6312e$1@clear.net.nz...

you are forgetting the idiots that post "PLEASE HELP"


Then at the end of the day, you can make all the rules under the sun, and
most of them dont give a shit.



"Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> wrote in message
news:Axcpb.9521$Re.995@lakeread06...
: Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that
Sam
: publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for
assistance
: on the group. It should be right up front and include:
:
: 1) Include the model, chassis, year, type of product, and symptom in
the
: SUBJECT LINE.
:
: 2) Include as much diagnostic information as you have in clear concise,
: grammatically correct language.
:
: 3) Include a description of your technical ability and experience level
: with the product.
:
: 4) etc.
:
: Anyone else have some suggestions. How about it Sam?
:
: Leonard Caillouet
:
:

 

[Bruce Esquibel]

Richard Principal (truancy@school.com) wrote:
: you are forgetting the idiots that post "PLEASE HELP"

: Then at the end of the day, you can make all the rules under the sun, and
: most of them dont give a shit.

: "Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> wrote in message
: news:Axcpb.9521$Re.995@lakeread06...
: : Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that Sam
: : publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for assistance
: : on the group. It should be right up front and include:


And those who always top post, don't forget those idiots too.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

 

[Leonard G. Caillouet]

I top post all the time on this group. Please don't start this debate here.
Everyone here seems to be tolerant of different posting styles as long as
the post is reasonably understandable. This is as it should be. There are
plenty of other groups infested by bottom-post-only bigots.

Leonard Caillouet

"Bruce Esquibel" <bje@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:bo5tef$12e$1@e250.ripco.com...
> And those who always top post, don't forget those idiots too.

 

[techforce]

Basicly that holds true in just about any kind of Group these days. I use to
Email them privately with assistance, and was flamed because the type of
Help I offered was 'not exactly' what they were asking for. Meanwhile they
didnt specify exactly what they needed, just basicly "need help" and alot of
that has been happening not only here but in other places, so I tend not to
be so eager to help as I use to . A lot of unappreciative people out there -
so to hell with them. Let the kid at Best buy have them.



"Richard Principal" <truancy@school.com> wrote in message
news:3fa6312e$1@clear.net.nz...

you are forgetting the idiots that post "PLEASE HELP"


Then at the end of the day, you can make all the rules under the sun, and
most of them dont give a shit.



"Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> wrote in message
news:Axcpb.9521$Re.995@lakeread06...
: Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that
Sam
: publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for
assistance
: on the group. It should be right up front and include:
:
: 1) Include the model, chassis, year, type of product, and symptom in
the
: SUBJECT LINE.
:
: 2) Include as much diagnostic information as you have in clear concise,
: grammatically correct language.
:
: 3) Include a description of your technical ability and experience level
: with the product.
:
: 4) etc.
:
: Anyone else have some suggestions. How about it Sam?
:
: Leonard Caillouet
:
:

 

[Sofie]

Leonard G Caillouet:
Maybe we could start a "top posters" newsgroup devoted to furthering the art
of top posting..... or as techforce so aptly stated, if they don't like the
posting format even though the information is valid and useful.... and in an
easy to read posting format.... "to hell with them, let the kid at Best
Buy.... (or Radio Shack) have them."
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
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"Leonard G. Caillouet" <lcaillo_ns_@devoynet.com> wrote in message
news:djwpb.29772$SV2.24400@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

I top post all the time on this group. Please don't start this debate
here.
Everyone here seems to be tolerant of different posting styles as long as
the post is reasonably understandable. This is as it should be. There
are
plenty of other groups infested by bottom-post-only bigots.

Leonard Caillouet

"Bruce Esquibel" <bje@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:bo5tef$12e$1@e250.ripco.com...
And those who always top post, don't forget those idiots too.

 

[Leonard Caillouet]

Dan, I just mostly ignore the bottom-post-only biggots, but if I get on a
newsgroup where most post at the bottom and it really bothers people to top
post I will comply. It doesn't make that much difference to me, but I find
top posts or imbedded comments more practical most of the time. This group
has been pretty good about tolerating a variety of styles. To me that is
just what it is...a writing style. If it is lucid and coherent, it is fine.

Leonard Caillouet

"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:vqdt3ksnkrcge4@corp.supernews.com...

Leonard G Caillouet:
Maybe we could start a "top posters" newsgroup devoted to furthering the
art
of top posting..... or as techforce so aptly stated, if they don't like
the
posting format even though the information is valid and useful.... and in
an
easy to read posting format.... "to hell with them, let the kid at Best
Buy.... (or Radio Shack) have them."
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


"Leonard G. Caillouet" <lcaillo_ns_@devoynet.com> wrote in message
news:djwpb.29772$SV2.24400@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
I top post all the time on this group. Please don't start this debate
here.
Everyone here seems to be tolerant of different posting styles as long
as
the post is reasonably understandable. This is as it should be. There
are
plenty of other groups infested by bottom-post-only bigots.

Leonard Caillouet

"Bruce Esquibel" <bje@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:bo5tef$12e$1@e250.ripco.com...
And those who always top post, don't forget those idiots too.

 

[Asimov]

"Leonard Caillouet" bravely wrote to "All" (04 Nov 03 05:50:56)
--- on the heady topic of "Re: Posting suggestions"

LC> Reply-To: "Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com>
LC> Dan, I just mostly ignore the bottom-post-only biggots, but if I get
LC> on a newsgroup where most post at the bottom and it really bothers
LC> people to top post I will comply. It doesn't make that much difference
LC> to me, but I find top posts or imbedded comments more practical most of
LC> the time. This group has been pretty good about tolerating a variety
LC> of styles. To me that is just what it is...a writing style. If it is
LC> lucid and coherent, it is fine.

Like you said, I find myself sometimes top posting and sometimes bottom
posting and at times making interspersed comments. It all depends on the
context and content of the replied message. Like for shortish messages I
tend to bottom post and long ones I will more likely top post.
Multi-question messages I will comment step by step.

There is no good reason to deprive myself of the richness of using all
styles at hand though I admit reading the answer at the top is quicker
for the person making a request.

AFAIK if someone must complain about posting style then they must lead a
pretty sheltered life. All I say to them is --> GET A LIFE!!!

Asimov
******

.... This message transmitted on 100% recycled photons.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 05:50:56 -0500, "Leonard Caillouet"
<lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Dan, I just mostly ignore the bottom-post-only biggots, but if I get on a
newsgroup where most post at the bottom and it really bothers people to top
post I will comply. It doesn't make that much difference to me, but I find
top posts or imbedded comments more practical most of the time. This group
has been pretty good about tolerating a variety of styles. To me that is
just what it is...a writing style. If it is lucid and coherent, it is fine.

Leonard Caillouet

I'm no bigot (I've top posted on occasion), but you can see what
happens when no conventions exist, or existing conventions are
ignored.

"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:vqdt3ksnkrcge4@corp.supernews.com...
Leonard G Caillouet:
Maybe we could start a "top posters" newsgroup devoted to furthering the
art
of top posting..... or as techforce so aptly stated, if they don't like
the
posting format even though the information is valid and useful.... and in
an
easy to read posting format.... "to hell with them, let the kid at Best
Buy.... (or Radio Shack) have them."
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


"Leonard G. Caillouet" <lcaillo_ns_@devoynet.com> wrote in message
news:djwpb.29772$SV2.24400@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
I top post all the time on this group. Please don't start this debate
here.
Everyone here seems to be tolerant of different posting styles as long
as
the post is reasonably understandable. This is as it should be. There
are
plenty of other groups infested by bottom-post-only bigots.

Leonard Caillouet

"Bruce Esquibel" <bje@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:bo5tef$12e$1@e250.ripco.com...
And those who always top post, don't forget those idiots too.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Sofie]

So.... please enlighten me..... exactly what bad things happen??
-----------------------

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
I'm no bigot (I've top posted on occasion), but you can see what
happens when no conventions exist, or existing conventions are
ignored.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:37:46 -0800, "Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

So.... please enlighten me..... exactly what bad things happen??
-----------------------

Well, for a start we have a chronological mess, as has happened here,
ie reply #1, followed by reply #2, followed by the original post.
Can't you see that this makes the thread hard to follow?

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
I'm no bigot (I've top posted on occasion), but you can see what
happens when no conventions exist, or existing conventions are
ignored.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Sofie]

Frank Zabkar:
It looks to me that if you would have top posted instead of inserting your
reply post in between the preceding posts that the chronological order would
have been preserved in descending order from top to bottom, the most recent
reply at the top, the oldest at the bottom. For a long string of posts a
reader does not need to scroll clear to the bottom unless historical
information is required in the preceding postings. I could argue that top
posting is a better convention than the defacto standard of bottom
posting..... but it appears that all forms of posting styles will continue
to be the norm...... all of this can certainly be tolerated as long as the
information is useful, the language and spelling are halfway correct and the
zealots that thumb their nose at these minor points don't get carried away
with their quest to snuff out non-conformity.
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
--------------------------------------

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:37:46 -0800, "Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

So.... please enlighten me..... exactly what bad things happen??
-----------------------

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
Well, for a start we have a chronological mess, as has happened here,
ie reply #1, followed by reply #2, followed by the original post.
Can't you see that this makes the thread hard to follow?
---------------------------

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
I'm no bigot (I've top posted on occasion), but you can see what
happens when no conventions exist, or existing conventions are
ignored.
--------------------------

 

[Leonard Caillouet]

Well said, Dan. And by the way, I did not have to scroll a bit to read the
entire post. I appreciate that and am less likely to ignore a post like
this.

Leonard Caillouet

"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:vqhcpmdtn9l3bb@corp.supernews.com...

Frank Zabkar:
It looks to me that if you would have top posted instead of inserting your
reply post in between the preceding posts that the chronological order
would
have been preserved in descending order from top to bottom, the most
recent
reply at the top, the oldest at the bottom. For a long string of posts a
reader does not need to scroll clear to the bottom unless historical
information is required in the preceding postings. I could argue that
top
posting is a better convention than the defacto standard of bottom
posting..... but it appears that all forms of posting styles will continue
to be the norm...... all of this can certainly be tolerated as long as the
information is useful, the language and spelling are halfway correct and
the
zealots that thumb their nose at these minor points don't get carried away
with their quest to snuff out non-conformity.
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
--------------------------------------


On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:37:46 -0800, "Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

So.... please enlighten me..... exactly what bad things happen??
-----------------------


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
Well, for a start we have a chronological mess, as has happened here,
ie reply #1, followed by reply #2, followed by the original post.
Can't you see that this makes the thread hard to follow?
---------------------------


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
I'm no bigot (I've top posted on occasion), but you can see what
happens when no conventions exist, or existing conventions are
ignored.
--------------------------

 

[Charles R. Tenney]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:20:29 -0800 "Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in
Message id: <vqhcpmdtn9l3bb@corp.supernews.com>:

Frank Zabkar:
It looks to me that if you would have top posted instead of inserting your
reply post in between the preceding posts that the chronological order would
have been preserved in descending order from top to bottom, the most recent
reply at the top, the oldest at the bottom. For a long string of posts a
reader does not need to scroll clear to the bottom unless historical
information is required in the preceding postings. I could argue that top
posting is a better convention than the defacto standard of bottom
posting..... but it appears that all forms of posting styles will continue
to be the norm...... all of this can certainly be tolerated as long as the
information is useful, the language and spelling are halfway correct and the
zealots that thumb their nose at these minor points don't get carried away
with their quest to snuff out non-conformity.

Sofie, Instead of trimming the previous post down to only the relevant
parts, you intend to dribble forth a bloated top-posted article that
includes each previous article in its entirety.

We're talking about custom here, not morality. But just as an exercise,
let's try applying the universal law formulation of Kant's categorical
imperative to your actions. It this is too complicated for you, refer to
the children's book _If Everybody Did_, by Jo Ann Stover.

If everybody top-posted, including entire previous articles, each article
would include the entirety of the thread to date, along the particular
route taken to that article. The fiftieth article in a thread would
contain 49 previous articles. A linear thread, with no branches, would
expand in storage size (in megabytes) as one-half the square of the number
of articles, so that a thread of 100 articles would require storage space
for 5,000. The actual expansion would be less because of branching, but
don't forget that threads can go on for more than 100 articles.

News spools would fill up and crash, articles would disappear before they
appeared, and new threads would be choked off. Those who still download
articles over a phone line would be unable to download these articles,
with their vanishingly-small fraction of new, unduplicated content, as fast
as they appeared, if they appeared at all. Usenet would cease to function
with its current carrying capacity. Consequently, a rational being would
not want a top-posting, all-inclusive posting style to become a universal
norm. The very existence of threaded newsreaders and the availability of
past articles on news spools indicates that such a scheme has been weighed
in the balance and found wanting.

When you start at the top, you should start trimming text until you come to
something relevant that you wish to address, reply to, or expand on. Then
move your cursor below that, text, hit "enter" to leave a blank line, then
start typing. Leave blank lines between paragraphs, and after your text
before you (delete irrelevant material and) include another point to be
addressed. Lather, rinse, repeat.

This is what we find most readable. For you to tell us that we should
alter our reading habits to suit your posting style (presumably, to be
bopping back and forth between new and included old text) is just plain
rude.

You are welcome to your opinions as to what is efficient in posting, but
you are not welcome to act on them here, and you are especially not welcome
to pretend that your opinions are as good as anyone else's. You think of
yourself as an individualist, standing up for your opinions in the face of
the stodgy old fuddy-duddies that infest this group. You may even feel
that your way of thinking will provide a breath of fresh air for those who
choose to inhale it. But what you're really doing is farting on the
elevator and haughtily informing the other passengers that you're free to
do so, that you intend to laugh at their expressions of distaste, and that
they really ought to be enjoying your contributions anyway.

What you have failed to realize it that you have stumbled into a community,
and that communities have standards and traditions. These don't have to
make sense to you, but you do have to be aware that you, having no standing
in the community, are unlikely to drop in and change these traditions
instantly because it suits you to do so. You are free to tell us that you
want to top-post and fail to trim your followups. You are free to go to
an Orthodox synagogue and tell the worshippers coming out of a service
that they really should be following Jeezus and enjoying a nice slice of
Easter ham. You are free to partake of a traditional meal in an Arab
country and eat from the common food bowl with your left hand (the
traditional butt-wiping hand) and brush off any polite hints or
instructions to the contrary. You are free to go to Paris, Munich, Tokyo,
Madrid, or Rome and accost random locals in English, making no attempt to
speak even a broken version of their own language, but instead affecting an
attitude that makes it clear that you think it their duty to undertake
years of language study so that they may assist you with no undue
inconvenience to yourself.

In all of these, you would have the same effect: you would mark yourself
as an ignorant, selfish, self-absorbed boor who thinks that everyone,
everywhere should adapt themselves to suit your own childish whims. You
see, we care to a finite extent about top-posting. But some people care a
great deal more about dispensing with morons who have neither the common
sense nor the common courtesy to fit in with local custom, and top-posting
provides a convenient moron detector. The custom itself is of minor
importance, but, dispensing with morons is both a critical activity and a
pleasant diversion.

HTH.

Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
--------------------------------------


On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:37:46 -0800, "Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

So.... please enlighten me..... exactly what bad things happen??
-----------------------


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
Well, for a start we have a chronological mess, as has happened here,
ie reply #1, followed by reply #2, followed by the original post.
Can't you see that this makes the thread hard to follow?
---------------------------


"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
I'm no bigot (I've top posted on occasion), but you can see what
happens when no conventions exist, or existing conventions are
ignored.
--------------------------

 

[Leonard Caillouet]

Kant would not be impressed that you know his name, I am sure. He, like any
other philosopher of any merit, knew that the application of any method is
irrelevant if the underlying assumptions and facts are incorrect.

You are the worst kind of example of what I call "top-post-only" bigot.
Your pseudo-intellectual ramble is likely nothing more than the post of a
troll who googles for newsgroups containing this debate.

The technique of "dispensing with morons" is more a matter of adding you to
a killfile.

Leonard Caillouet

"Charles R. Tenney" <nospam@for.me> wrote in message
news:j9ckqvk91ttcvo05nerfs9olet59rnd74t@4ax.com...

Sofie, Instead of trimming the previous post down to only the relevant
parts, you intend to dribble forth a bloated top-posted article that
includes each previous article in its entirety.

We're talking about custom here, not morality. But just as an exercise,
let's try applying the universal law formulation of Kant's categorical
imperative to your actions. It this is too complicated for you, refer to
the children's book _If Everybody Did_, by Jo Ann Stover.

If everybody top-posted, including entire previous articles, each article
would include the entirety of the thread to date, along the particular
route taken to that article. The fiftieth article in a thread would
contain 49 previous articles. A linear thread, with no branches, would
expand in storage size (in megabytes) as one-half the square of the number
of articles, so that a thread of 100 articles would require storage space
for 5,000. The actual expansion would be less because of branching, but
don't forget that threads can go on for more than 100 articles.

News spools would fill up and crash, articles would disappear before they
appeared, and new threads would be choked off. Those who still download
articles over a phone line would be unable to download these articles,
with their vanishingly-small fraction of new, unduplicated content, as
fast
as they appeared, if they appeared at all. Usenet would cease to function
with its current carrying capacity. Consequently, a rational being would
not want a top-posting, all-inclusive posting style to become a universal
norm. The very existence of threaded newsreaders and the availability of
past articles on news spools indicates that such a scheme has been weighed
in the balance and found wanting.

When you start at the top, you should start trimming text until you come
to
something relevant that you wish to address, reply to, or expand on. Then
move your cursor below that, text, hit "enter" to leave a blank line, then
start typing. Leave blank lines between paragraphs, and after your text
before you (delete irrelevant material and) include another point to be
addressed. Lather, rinse, repeat.

This is what we find most readable. For you to tell us that we should
alter our reading habits to suit your posting style (presumably, to be
bopping back and forth between new and included old text) is just plain
rude.

You are welcome to your opinions as to what is efficient in posting, but
you are not welcome to act on them here, and you are especially not
welcome
to pretend that your opinions are as good as anyone else's. You think of
yourself as an individualist, standing up for your opinions in the face of
the stodgy old fuddy-duddies that infest this group. You may even feel
that your way of thinking will provide a breath of fresh air for those who
choose to inhale it. But what you're really doing is farting on the
elevator and haughtily informing the other passengers that you're free to
do so, that you intend to laugh at their expressions of distaste, and that
they really ought to be enjoying your contributions anyway.

What you have failed to realize it that you have stumbled into a
community,
and that communities have standards and traditions. These don't have to
make sense to you, but you do have to be aware that you, having no
standing
in the community, are unlikely to drop in and change these traditions
instantly because it suits you to do so. You are free to tell us that you
want to top-post and fail to trim your followups. You are free to go to
an Orthodox synagogue and tell the worshippers coming out of a service
that they really should be following Jeezus and enjoying a nice slice of
Easter ham. You are free to partake of a traditional meal in an Arab
country and eat from the common food bowl with your left hand (the
traditional butt-wiping hand) and brush off any polite hints or
instructions to the contrary. You are free to go to Paris, Munich, Tokyo,
Madrid, or Rome and accost random locals in English, making no attempt to
speak even a broken version of their own language, but instead affecting
an
attitude that makes it clear that you think it their duty to undertake
years of language study so that they may assist you with no undue
inconvenience to yourself.

In all of these, you would have the same effect: you would mark yourself
as an ignorant, selfish, self-absorbed boor who thinks that everyone,
everywhere should adapt themselves to suit your own childish whims. You
see, we care to a finite extent about top-posting. But some people care a
great deal more about dispensing with morons who have neither the common
sense nor the common courtesy to fit in with local custom, and top-posting
provides a convenient moron detector. The custom itself is of minor
importance, but, dispensing with morons is both a critical activity and a
pleasant diversion.

 

[Sofie]

Charles R. Tenny:
Frankly, if you have something important to say, and it is technically
coherent and relevant, then I will read it no matter how you post it....
top, bottom, or in between....... But your last post is a complete and utter
waste of bytes and of my time..... Get off my case or go away......
preferable both.
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
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snipped in infinitum:
Charles R. Tenney" <nospam@for.me> wrote in message
news:j9ckqvk91ttcvo05nerfs9olet59rnd74t@4ax.com...

Sofie, Instead of trimming the previous post down to only the relevant
parts, you intend to dribble forth a bloated top-posted article that
includes each previous article in its entirety.

 

[Mike Wilson]

This whole discussion is stupid, you're arguing over semantics. I just
started using new groups and I thought that the whole idea was to share
knowledge with others, not stupid sarcastic comments (replying to one of my
posts) telling me that "we can't read your mind" and the person knows who he
is!!! well excusing the hell of me for asking for help, with a subject that
I'm not familiar with!!! I've worked in the computer industry for 10 years,
4+ years in Commercial Technical Support and have always treated people that
have less technical skill as equals. Don't forget that the person that you
help today, can help you with something tomorrow. Maybe you could politely
ask, the person in question, to look at a posting that outlines a formula
(SUBJECT LINE, grammatically correct language ETC) that will help them in
the long run. For myself I know that I haven't explained my recent problem
with my amp as well as I could, but try to remember that I was trying to
figure out what the heck was wrong with it at the same time. I know for
sure, that if I started a news group for computer tech support, I wouldn't
be posting this anal retentive message!





"Leonard Caillouet" <lcailloNOSPAM@devoynet.com> wrote in message
news:Axcpb.9521$Re.995@lakeread06...

Perhaps it would be a good idea to post a section in the fine FAQ that Sam
publishes that makes suggestions for what to do when asking for assistance
on the group. It should be right up front and include:

1) Include the model, chassis, year, type of product, and symptom in the
SUBJECT LINE.

2) Include as much diagnostic information as you have in clear concise,
grammatically correct language.

3) Include a description of your technical ability and experience level
with the product.

4) etc.

Anyone else have some suggestions. How about it Sam?

Leonard Caillouet