Pissed Off, But

[mpm]

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
....

You worked in electronics all your life and do not know how to id
assembly parts?

You should know 2-56 #4 #6 #8 #10 1/4-20.

....

Our lead tech has banned 1/4-20 from the shop floor in favor of 1/4-28.

Also, let me plug www.boltdepot.com
Good hardware at a fair price.

 

[Robert Baer]

mpm wrote:

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
...
You worked in electronics all your life and do not know how to id
assembly parts?

You should know 2-56 #4 #6 #8 #10 1/4-20.

...

Our lead tech has banned 1/4-20 from the shop floor in favor of 1/4-28.

* makes a lot of sense; holds better - so well that one would think they
would be reliable even in 1/8 steel panel (never tried them in that thin
of a panel.

Also, let me plug www.boltdepot.com
Good hardware at a fair price.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:41:01 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com>
wrote:

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
...
You worked in electronics all your life and do not know how to id
assembly parts?

You should know 2-56 #4 #6 #8 #10 1/4-20.

...

Our lead tech has banned 1/4-20 from the shop floor in favor of 1/4-28.

Also, let me plug www.boltdepot.com
Good hardware at a fair price.

There is San Jose Screw, who answer the phone "SJS".


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 3:31:05 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2019-07-05, jurb wrote:
I am no longer doing business with businesses that don't know how to run a fucking business. I lost a few screws (no comments) and nuts (also no comments) and they are SAE. This is the US, we are the inventors of fucking SAE. What, do I have to have them shipped in from China now ?

"SAE" has to be shipped from last century, arguably a more distant
land than China, if you're dealing with millennials use the current
term, "UNF".

Moron. Tell us where to buy UNF sockets or wrenches.

SAE is 'Society of Automotive Engineers', and is still a standard. UNF and UNC are subset subsets of SAE, AKA 'Imperial', 'Inch' and other terms.

SAE tools are still very popular in the United States:

https://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/sockets-ratchets.html?category=1904

 

Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:470f341e-2c47-4d44-a582-8bca3394cea0@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 3:31:05 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-07-05, jurb wrote:
I am no longer doing business with businesses that don't know
how to ru
n a fucking business. I lost a few screws (no comments) and nuts
(also no comments) and they are SAE. This is the US, we are the
inventors of fucking SAE. What, do I have to have them shipped in
from China now ?

"SAE" has to be shipped from last century, arguably a more
distant land than China, if you're dealing with millennials use
the current term, "UNF".


Moron. Tell us where to buy UNF sockets or wrenches.

SAE is 'Society of Automotive Engineers', and is still a standard.
UNF and UNC are subset subsets of SAE, AKA 'Imperial', 'Inch' and
other terms.

SAE tools are still very popular in the United States:

https://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/sockets-ratchets.html?cate
gory=1904

Yu are siting Harbor Freight? Wow. It is out of Calabasa, but 90%
of their crap is from China, and you give them credence?

Wikipedia gets a worse rap, and is orders of magnitude more
accurate and reliable a source... especially from a standards
declaration POV, and that includes their tool families.

UNF and UNC are terms used to describe thread characteristics of a
family of fasteners.

So the SAME Imperial sized hex head or socket head (etc.) screw
could be either UNF or UNC on threads. The C and F are designations
of fine or coarse thread pitches on the same diameter screw shank.

metric or imperial are the terms you are looking for.

SAE is something else again. Not a standard but an organization
(an institute)that helps develop some of the standards used in (US)
automotive manufacturing.

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:29:11 PM UTC-7, Robert Baer wrote:

mpm wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
...

Our lead tech has banned 1/4-20 from the shop floor in favor of 1/4-28.

* makes a lot of sense; holds better - so well that one would think they
would be reliable even in 1/8 steel panel (never tried them in that thin
of a panel.

Doesn't make much sense, to me; that's a NF thread (NC is the 'standard')
and can be jammed up by a tiny bit of grit, or minor thread dent. There's
a REASON for coarse threads, and associated loose tolerances, in a variety of applications
(like a clamp, where tightening the thing by a quarter inch can take five turns of a quarter-twenty,
but seven of a quarter-twentyeight).

If your shop were dealing with rust and sandblasting, the fine threads would drive you
crazy.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/6/19 11:41 PM, mpm wrote:

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
....
You worked in electronics all your life and do not know how to id
assembly parts?

You should know 2-56 #4 #6 #8 #10 1/4-20.

....

Our lead tech has banned 1/4-20 from the shop floor in favor of 1/4-28.

Also, let me plug www.boltdepot.com
Good hardware at a fair price.

1/4-28 is used commonly in vacuum hardware.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/11/19 10:12 PM, mpm wrote:

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 5:42:49 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
...
1/4-28 is used commonly in vacuum hardware.
....

Good to know!!
I don't know why, of course.
But it sure sounds like the kind of knowledge that might come in handy some day.

Mostly because it doesn't loosen easily under vibration, I expect.
That's the main idea behind NF vs NC.

(It also might be because all the cool kids are National Fine.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[mpm]

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 5:42:49 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

...
1/4-28 is used commonly in vacuum hardware.
....

Good to know!!
I don't know why, of course.
But it sure sounds like the kind of knowledge that might come in handy some day.

 

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c9b334ff-b74d-49ca-863d-ca6011b62114@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:29:11 PM UTC-7, Robert Baer wrote:
mpm wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 2:28:08 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: ...

Our lead tech has banned 1/4-20 from the shop floor in favor of
1/4-28.

* makes a lot of sense; holds better - so well that one would
think they would be reliable even in 1/8 steel panel (never tried
them in that thin of a panel.

Doesn't make much sense, to me; that's a NF thread (NC is the
'standard') and can be jammed up by a tiny bit of grit, or minor
thread dent. There's a REASON for coarse threads, and associated
loose tolerances, in a variety of applications (like a clamp,
where tightening the thing by a quarter inch can take five turns
of a quarter-twenty, but seven of a quarter-twentyeight).

If your shop were dealing with rust and sandblasting, the fine
threads would drive you crazy.

You are one of the most accurate posters here.

I built hyper-hypothermia machines using stainless construction,
but they bought regular zinc plated 1/4-20 x 1/2 screws that had six
strikes on the head, but the friggin things twisted off like taffy.
NOT grade 8 by any stretch.

My dad worked at Milacron, so I knew what a grade 8 bolt worked
like.

These weren't it. The right stuff will SNAP OFF, and after a lot
of overtorqueing. These were 'cheap chinese'. They didn't like me
much after I told them they were ripped off, and it turned out that
it was the VP of the place that made the buy.

I would use fine screws for rack modules and lab gear. Not field
gear or say for the bot contest assembly stuff.

Coarse or fine threads... I would rinse clean any dust or grit
blast media before putting a threaded screw with a threaded hole if
it were at all possible. We used a really good brominated solvent
that left zero residue.

I would take the extra moments to make a clean assembly using
either pitch.

 

Well I smell lawsuit, and possibly even punitive because in another application those inferior bolts may have caused and insidious problem. If I was your boss I would have the lawyers on it yesterday.

But then if they are offshore that complicates things to the point of maybe not being worth it.

If you have a sense of civic responsibility, somehow without them sticking it up your ass you should find a way to publicise this so that they don't use these things in like cars and planes. Well they probably wouldn't anyway but what about ultralights, power saws, go carts, all that ?

 

[Joseph Gwinn]

On Jul 11, 2019, Phil Hobbs wrote
(in article<8v-dnSjjEIq-cLrAnZ2dnUU7-eudnZ2d@supernews.com&gt:

On 7/11/19 10:12 PM, mpm wrote:

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 5:42:49 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
...
1/4-28 is used commonly in vacuum hardware.
....

Good to know!!
I don't know why, of course.
But it sure sounds like the kind of knowledge that might come in handy some
day.

Mostly because it doesn't loosen easily under vibration, I expect.
That's the main idea behind NF vs NC.

It was also to accommodate the higher strength of steel. The rule was that NC
was for cast iron, while NF was for mild steel.

For the most part, metric screw series split the difference.

Joe Gwinn

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-07-11, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 3:31:05 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-07-05, jurb wrote:
I am no longer doing business with businesses that don't know how to run a fucking business. I lost a few screws (no comments) and nuts (also no comments) and they are SAE. This is the US, we are the inventors of fucking SAE. What, do I have to have them shipped in from China now ?

"SAE" has to be shipped from last century, arguably a more distant
land than China, if you're dealing with millennials use the current
term, "UNF".

Moron. Tell us where to buy UNF sockets or wrenches.

Are you tring to buy a bolt or a tool. You seem perfectly capable of
acting like a tool...

rest of your misinfomation deleted.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 2:01:04 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2019-07-11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 3:31:05 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-07-05, jurb wrote:
I am no longer doing business with businesses that don't know how to run a fucking business. I lost a few screws (no comments) and nuts (also no comments) and they are SAE. This is the US, we are the inventors of fucking SAE. What, do I have to have them shipped in from China now ?

"SAE" has to be shipped from last century, arguably a more distant
land than China, if you're dealing with millennials use the current
term, "UNF".

Moron. Tell us where to buy UNF sockets or wrenches.

Are you tring to buy a bolt or a tool. You seem perfectly capable of
acting like a tool...

rest of your misinfomation deleted.

Yo are a typical, lying Liberal troll. Yo project your faults, on others. You snip things you don't like.

You need tools to use the hardware. You snipped the description of SAE. Go to their website and learn something, is that's possible. You're as big a fool as Always Wrong. Are you his unwanted spawn?

https://www.sae.org/

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-07-13, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 2:01:04 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-07-11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 3:31:05 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-07-05, jurb wrote:
I am no longer doing business with businesses that don't know how to run a fucking business. I lost a few screws (no comments) and nuts (also no comments) and they are SAE. This is the US, we are the inventors of fucking SAE. What, do I have to have them shipped in from China now ?

"SAE" has to be shipped from last century, arguably a more distant
land than China, if you're dealing with millennials use the current
term, "UNF".

Moron. Tell us where to buy UNF sockets or wrenches.

Are you tring to buy a bolt or a tool. You seem perfectly capable of
acting like a tool...

rest of your misinfomation deleted.


Yo are a typical, lying Liberal troll. Yo project your faults, on others. You snip things you don't like.

You stupid fuck, I delete your stupidity because it does not bear
repeating nor merit discussion.

> You need tools to use the hardware. You snipped the description of SAE.

Because it has no bearing on the matter at hand and did notting to
advance your arguument.

Go to their website and learn something, is that's possible.
https://www.sae.org/

That's a fucking wall of text. see if you can find where it supports
your claim that SAE originated UNC, I'n not doing your work for you.

--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

 

[amdx]

On 7/6/2019 11:26 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On 5 Jul 2019 12:01:43 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

Hell, I know those AND metric.

The metric sizes are often better choices.

Not if they're intended to fit SAE nuts (as the OP indicated).

I have a set of these. They're great for ordering replacement
hardware online:

https://www.amazon.com/Thread-Detective-Identifier-Mini-Metric/dp/B071ZF2XJ8/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1AHED25L2L9KZ&keywords=thread+checker&qid=1562430242&s=gateway&sprefix=thread+%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-13

I have a bolt, nut, screw, washer, etc. store near my home. I get most
of my fastening hardware there, the counter guy has been there forever.
I had gotten some screws and another customer is about 5ft away and
says, I can't get any nut to go on the eye bolt. The counter guy glances
up and says, that's because it's a left handed thread.
The guy holding the bolt says, "how can you tell" counter guy, "look
at the angle of the thread."
Point is, this guy has looked at so many nuts and bolts, that he knows
his sizes whether SAE or Metric.
Fun to go there, he is very knowledgeable about his stock and why you
want what.
He didn't have the table clamp I was looking for a few days ago though.

Mikek

 

[AK]

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 10:09:56 AM UTC-5, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

I am no longer doing business with businesses that don't know how to run a fucking business. I lost a few screws (no comments) and nuts (also no comments) and they are SAE. This is the US, we are the inventors of fucking SAE. What, do I have to have them shipped in from China now ?

I am going to try today to get them online but I am not a machinist and don't know exactly how to measure them. I would rather not bother with that and just walk in there with them, like say I need a screw I bring the nut, it screws in I'll take some. How complicated is that ?

If I do not have a tracking number by tomorrow I am taking my nice black silicone and forgetting all about the good screws and nuts. Nothing is going to happen, it is just not Kosher.

These people do not understand, I don't have all day. Even if I did I am not spending all day on their stupidity.

I will be straight with the client, and while I already cover things for a long time, like around a year or whatever, doesn't matter because when I fix it it stays fixed, I'll tell him I'll cover it for three years or until I leave the country, whichever comes first.

Actually I might be able to find some speednuts that'll do the trick but I really loathe those.

When someone contacts me, ESPECIALLY for the first time I try to respond as quickly as possible. I check that email several times a day unless I am sick or away. I see numbers on my missed calls I call them back, today.

Anyway if it turns out I have to order half a hardware store I will, as long as they can get it here by Monday.

AAAaargh !

Tell you little story, and my little stories are true unless otherwise noted. I'm over my friend's place, we are playing with some of his electronic toys like scopes and all that, and I brought my vape. So we hit the vape a couple times and his phone rings. And his internet is down at the moment. It is a client for whom he is doing a several thousand dollar job tweaking a design for something or perhaps designing a mold for something that is impossible to mold. (that is his job) So the guy has an error in a part number. he say OK he'll find out. Turns to me and says "Man what timing, now we hit that thing and I am high and I have to deal with business". the he says "Your smartphone work, can you look something up and help me a bit ?". Well I tried but the phone is still smarter than me so I can't really do that. I tried but I can't nagivate the sonabitch.

Now, understand this, I can handle a buzz. I can outhink most people when I am stoned. I can drive perfectly right in front of the cops after drinking a 12 pack. I can think with a buzz.

I said "Why not just call them ?". So he goes to do that and finds out that he never hung up the phone, he somehow put it in speakerphone mode and his client heard all that.

I was still thinking. He is quite the mathematician, he had to be for work. I told him "Just do what you were supposed to and just forget it, think of the odds, first of all was he actually listening ? then does he care ? he might be a smoker himself". And then even if he does care, this guy is pretty damn valuable in that field. I doubt they would drop him over something like this.

He is not a bad gambler but frankly I am much better. In fact I bet there is nobody in the city who can take me on a table with regular draw or stud.. I told him, 50% chance he was listening, 50% chance he cares, 50% chance he is not a smoker, 50% chance he will drop you because of it even if he does care. Add that all up, half of half of half of half of half, it adds up to a 1:16 chance anything ever comes of this.

My life is still borderline bizarre. When I was younger I thought it was the olman's influence but he is long dead now. It is me. How many of you can tell anything like that that actually happened ?

And that is nothing. I think I am going to start my autobiography this year. Online friend tells me I should take some license and instead of making it totally true embellish a bit, I get license he says. He is a lawyer, a senior partner at a firm in London and handles international law, but I am not sure what aspect of it now because I simple never asked. A one percenter but against most one percenters. I have decided though to keep it true.

I dunno. This was a rant. A successful business responds to its customers.. A more successful business responds to its customers more. How complicated is that ? I never failed until I took on partners, I will not make that mistake again. All they see is the money, they do not understand that they have to nurture this thing like a kid so it grows right and keeps doing what it is supposed to do. It is more important than your kids. It FEEDS your kids. Want them to starve ? If you a White Man in the US you can't get shit, Black Woman, four kids she is into over a grand a month. For nothing.

Like we had a thread about Digikey. they ARE good, very good. You call them they answer and after maybe a stroke or whatever you get to a human person. I generate my BOM on their selector guides and all that but I do not order online. I am not dealing with any software upgrades now because I need this thing to work the way it works, exactly. that's why I don't have Dropbox anymore but really from what I have seen I would have gotten rid of them anyway. Force me to get a new OS, who the FUCK do you think you are ?

Self checkout, ATM, you cut me in on what you save by putting people out of work maybe, but I am not paying the same. No. Give you a dollar to use the ATM ? No, you give a dollar or else I will be at the bank door (and the tellers are getting to know me) and then I will try to bullshit with your teller for as long as possible. What you pay her ? Maybe $12 an hour ? If I can occupy her for 15 minutes you are out $4.

I was born in the morning but not this morning. (and about the only time I was up that early) I have now seen it. Too much. I go into the next stage and that is back to don't take no shit. I think maybe we will get along better around here now.

I get mad too at businesses.

Does cussing help in relaying your message?

I have some experience in dealing with companies that may help in your situation.

Andy

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 10:31:09 PM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2019-07-13, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 2:01:04 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-07-11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 3:31:05 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2019-07-05, jurb wrote:
I am no longer doing business with businesses that don't know how to run a fucking business. I lost a few screws (no comments) and nuts (also no comments) and they are SAE. This is the US, we are the inventors of fucking SAE. What, do I have to have them shipped in from China now ?

"SAE" has to be shipped from last century, arguably a more distant
land than China, if you're dealing with millennials use the current
term, "UNF".

Moron. Tell us where to buy UNF sockets or wrenches.

Are you tring to buy a bolt or a tool. You seem perfectly capable of
acting like a tool...

rest of your misinfomation deleted.


Yo are a typical, lying Liberal troll. Yo project your faults, on others. You snip things you don't like.

You stupid fuck, I delete your stupidity because it does not bear
repeating nor merit discussion.

You need tools to use the hardware. You snipped the description of SAE.

Because it has no bearing on the matter at hand and did notting to
advance your arguument.

Go to their website and learn something, is that's possible.
https://www.sae.org/

That's a fucking wall of text. see if you can find where it supports
your claim that SAE originated UNC, I'n not doing your work for you.

--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

You delete it to hide your tracks. You claimed that SAE was from 'Last Century'. I provided a link to prove you wrong, so you showed your true colors. I don't recall you ever discussing any designs on here. You make a hash out of everything you touch.

 

>Point is, this guy has looked at so many nuts and bolts...

Well if I was in prison and saw too many nuts I would probably bolt.

We got a place like that a couple of miles away. One. There aren't many. I was there the other day and needed like four of this and one of that and I just took ten each. Like I didn't even want to really bother them but the guy came and assisted me. I would have found it but this was much faster. they have all those like plaque type things with all the sizes of nuts in it and screws sticking out so you can bring a sample and try it.

You wont see that many of them, the market is such that the take is so small not many people can really make money at it. The are probably a dying bred and I don't know what the hell to do after that.

 

>Does cussing help in relaying your message?

Maybe.

I am trying to cut down.