Parramatta launches Australia’s first 5G Wi-Fi network, wit

[Trevor Wilson]

On 15/07/2013 8:08 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

On 14-Jul-13 3:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/07/2013 9:31 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
On 13-Jul-13 2:45 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around
150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by
the number of users (yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the
maximum capacity of a single fibre (which no one
has yet managed to do), then another fibre can be dropped into the
hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

Fibre has a maximum capacity?

Japan's incumbent telecommunications carrier, NTT, is claiming a
telecommunications speed record, demonstrating a fibre technology able
to carry 1 Petabit-per-second - a million gigabits - over a distance of
50 kilometers, using a single fibre.

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/09/26/3598036.htm

There are many Dr Google hits that refer to faster fibre methods.

Don...




**Every medium MUST have some kind of limit. Fibre's is so damned high
that we are unlikely to reach it for several
decades. Wireless is, of course, limited.

What I am saying Trevor is that you have to keep an open mind on new
technology. Doesn't matter if it is cable or wireless.

**I do have an open mind on new technology. It is sad that so many
people are politically motivated to dismiss fibre, when it's true
capacity is decades away from being reached. Wireless will get better,
but can never reach the capacity of a single fibre. Further: Any
compression schemes that can be used with wireless to increase
bandwidth, can also be used with fibre. If people could remove their
political thinking from the issue, most technologically savvy people
will acknowledge that fibre is far superior to wireless. Less visually
intrusive, no arguments about radiation issues, too.

AND, I have already stated that wireless is very useful and will become
more useful in the future. It is, however, not a panacea. I live 25km
from the centre of the largest city in Australia. Wireless speeds are
pitifully inadequate and extremely variable. The best ADSL 2+ speeds
hover around 8 Mb/s. I look forward to fibre. I won't hold my breath
waiting for Telstra (or anyone else) to improve my wireless capability.
I know that the NBN will eventually arrive (provided enough people don't
vote for that technologically illiterate moron, Abbott).

Again Dr Google will find some interesting results today:
http://gizmodo.com/5954407/scientists-promise-ten-times-more-bandwidth-with-no-new-hardware


In 5 to 20 years time, the rules will change again.

**No question, wireless is nifty. Fibre is and always will be, superior
in all respects, save portability. And, possibly, cost (though I don't
have the data for this area).


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:41:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mb25u89kakr0qgkir7k6dn33g4rm2rvqol@4ax.com...
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:22:42 +0930, annily <annily@annily.invalid
wrote:

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.


How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a network
that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch

for me though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

--

Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/AbbottsPorkPies
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay TV interests.
Rupert Murdoch tries to buy U.S. presidency
http://tinyurl.com/ab3y6nl
Federal Police investigating Murdoch http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/federal_police_join_news_probe_s0h2FfmrnzYD7dIbq8s04L
Murdoch hiring hackers to kill off opposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAsnY1Pbj8&list
In Australia Murdoch doing the same
http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/pay_tv_piracy_hits_news_OV8K5fhBeGawgosSzi52MM
Paul Keating's assessment of Rupert Murdoch as "a big bad bastard"
"Murdoch 'not fit' to run News Corp" < http://tinyurl.com/7njegk3 >
"Rupert Murdoch has let it be known within his organisation that Australia needs change in Canberra and his editors were simply doing his bidding"
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12041

 

[Rod Speed]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:b4gq13F8n10U1@mid.individual.net...

On 15/07/2013 8:08 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
On 14-Jul-13 3:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 14/07/2013 9:31 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
On 13-Jul-13 2:45 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around
150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by
the number of users (yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the
maximum capacity of a single fibre (which no one
has yet managed to do), then another fibre can be dropped into the
hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

Fibre has a maximum capacity?

Japan's incumbent telecommunications carrier, NTT, is claiming a
telecommunications speed record, demonstrating a fibre technology able
to carry 1 Petabit-per-second - a million gigabits - over a distance of
50 kilometers, using a single fibre.

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/09/26/3598036.htm

There are many Dr Google hits that refer to faster fibre methods.

Don...




**Every medium MUST have some kind of limit. Fibre's is so damned high
that we are unlikely to reach it for several
decades. Wireless is, of course, limited.

What I am saying Trevor is that you have to keep an open mind on new
technology. Doesn't matter if it is cable or wireless.

**I do have an open mind on new technology. It is sad that so many people
are politically motivated to dismiss fibre, when it's true capacity is
decades away from being reached. Wireless will get better, but can never
reach the capacity of a single fibre. Further: Any compression schemes
that can be used with wireless to increase bandwidth, can also be used
with fibre. If people could remove their political thinking from the
issue, most technologically savvy people will acknowledge that fibre is
far superior to wireless. Less visually intrusive, no arguments about
radiation issues, too.

AND, I have already stated that wireless is very useful and will become
more useful in the future. It is, however, not a panacea. I live 25km from
the centre of the largest city in Australia. Wireless speeds are pitifully
inadequate and extremely variable. The best ADSL 2+ speeds hover around 8
Mb/s. I look forward to fibre. I won't hold my breath waiting for Telstra
(or anyone else) to improve my wireless capability.

The NBN may well do that.

I know that the NBN will eventually arrive (provided enough people don't
vote for that technologically illiterate moron, Abbott).

Even if they do, you will still get it, because the coalition has changed
their policy on the NBN and now just want to do it using FTTN instead of
FTTP. And I bet they discover that that isnt feasible when they get elected.

Again Dr Google will find some interesting results today:
http://gizmodo.com/5954407/scientists-promise-ten-times-more-bandwidth-with-no-new-hardware

In 5 to 20 years time, the rules will change again.

No question, wireless is nifty. Fibre is and always will be, superior in
all respects, save portability.

The most important question is whether wireless will
be good enough for most. It isnt currently, but its less
clear how long that will be true for, particularly if most
use wireless most of the times.

And, possibly, cost (though I don't have the data for this area).

Its certainly much cheaper than FTTP.

 

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world
has a network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch for me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.

though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.

Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

 

[annily]

On 14.07.13 20:56, Rod Speed wrote:

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e274ea$0$51511$862e30e2@ngroups.net...
On 14.07.13 15:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/


or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

You use an internal one, stupid.

An internal aerial? That's still an aerial.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

 

[annily]

On 15.07.13 11:03, Rod Speed wrote:

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a
network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch for me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.
though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

I don't actually consider that as "television", anyway. It's a
completely different mechanism from the original meaning. Even cable
"television" is a bit of s stretch.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

 

[F Murtz]

Petzl wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:22:42 +0930, annily <annily@annily.invalid
wrote:

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.


How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a network
that you can sign or subscribe into
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

Telstra also provide tv through the copper network.

 

[Gordon Levi]

Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

Parramatta launches Australia’s first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to 100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard, came up with the idea to build a network that would put
Parramatta on the map and offer almost the same standard of connectivity seen in cities such as New York, Seoul and
Barcelona.

“This is an event that the New South Wales government said couldn’t happen three years ago,” he said at the launch today.

“Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility study that said we couldn’t do what we’re launching
today. So it’s thanks to the capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is made up of a combination of community and
business people who have come together to work on this.”

==============================

It's not the first. I have a free 802.11ac network at home and you can
have one too
<http://reviews.cnet.com/best-wireless-networking-devices/>. I wonder
what will happen when most home and business routers in the district
have moved to the 5GHz band.

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will only be guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder
what new technologies will arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could make fiber optic to every home plan,
look like last centuries technology.

It _is_ last centuries technology which is one of the reasons it was
chosen. The rest of the reasons are outlined in a paper by Professor
Tucker, a member of the Expert Panel that chose it,
<http://people.eng.unimelb.edu.au/rtucker/publications/files/tja10043.pdf>.
I was particularly impressed with the (theoretical) numbers that
Professor Tucker provided - "a _single_ optical fibre can carry 10,000
times the information that can be carried on the _entire_ radio
frequency spectrum".

 

[geoff]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:b4bhtrF4ue3U1@mid.individual.net...

Parramatta launches Australia’s first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to
100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

Naa. Demand 7G or nothing.

geoff

 

[Petzl]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:11:11 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Petzl wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:22:42 +0930, annily <annily@annily.invalid
wrote:

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.


How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a network
that you can sign or subscribe into
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

Telstra also provide tv through the copper network.

Don't work for majority of their copper wire customers

Used to be able to start downloading it then after 45 minutes start
watching. Now they have disabled this and only allow direct streaming.
So it don't work for me either. The quality was aways "dumbed down"

With the NBN you are talking about 3D HD 1080H TV from anywhere on
planet.

A pommy mate a Manchester United fan can have 9 screens on his BIG
screen TV all different views of the same match. He selects the view
of the moment and his family can also use the Internet without
interfering with each others use.
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/AbbottsPorkPies
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay TV interests.
Rupert Murdoch tries to buy U.S. presidency
http://tinyurl.com/ab3y6nl
Federal Police investigating Murdoch http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/federal_police_join_news_probe_s0h2FfmrnzYD7dIbq8s04L
Murdoch hiring hackers to kill off opposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAsnY1Pbj8&list
In Australia Murdoch doing the same
http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/pay_tv_piracy_hits_news_OV8K5fhBeGawgosSzi52MM
Paul Keating's assessment of Rupert Murdoch as "a big bad bastard"
"Murdoch 'not fit' to run News Corp" < http://tinyurl.com/7njegk3 >
"Rupert Murdoch has let it be known within his organisation that Australia needs change in Canberra and his editors were simply doing his bidding"
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12041

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 15-Jul-13 1:47 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:

It _is_ last centuries technology which is one of the reasons it was
chosen. The rest of the reasons are outlined in a paper by Professor
Tucker, a member of the Expert Panel that chose it,
http://people.eng.unimelb.edu.au/rtucker/publications/files/tja10043.pdf>.
I was particularly impressed with the (theoretical) numbers that
Professor Tucker provided - "a _single_ optical fibre can carry 10,000
times the information that can be carried on the _entire_ radio
frequency spectrum".

Now that is a very interesting read Gordon.
I'll have to spend some more time to fully digest it.

Don...


--
Don McKenzie

$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $25 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

 

[Rod Speed]

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
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On 14.07.13 20:56, Rod Speed wrote:


"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e274ea$0$51511$862e30e2@ngroups.net...
On 14.07.13 15:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/


or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

You use an internal one, stupid.

An internal aerial? That's still an aerial.

But those are so cheap that they are irrelevant, stupid.

 

[Rod Speed]

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e35751$0$51731$862e30e2@ngroups.net...

On 15.07.13 11:03, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a
network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch for me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.
though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

I don't actually consider that as "television", anyway.

More fool you, it is anyway.

It's a completely different mechanism from the original meaning.

No, its just a different way of delivering what you watch.

Even cable "television" is a bit of s stretch.

Nope.

 

[SG1]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e35751$0$51731$862e30e2@ngroups.net...
On 15.07.13 11:03, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a
network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch for
me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.
though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

I don't actually consider that as "television", anyway.

More fool you, it is anyway.

It's a completely different mechanism from the original meaning.

No, its just a different way of delivering what you watch.

Even cable "television" is a bit of s stretch.

Seeing at a distance is the translation of television, do you want to remove
the distance???

Nope.

 

[annily]

On 15.07.13 16:26, Rod Speed wrote:

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e35640$0$51504$862e30e2@ngroups.net...
On 14.07.13 20:56, Rod Speed wrote:


"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e274ea$0$51511$862e30e2@ngroups.net...
On 14.07.13 15:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/



or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

You use an internal one, stupid.

An internal aerial? That's still an aerial.

But those are so cheap that they are irrelevant, stupid.

LOL. Nobody mentioned cost.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

 

[annily]

On 15.07.13 16:27, Rod Speed wrote:

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15.07.13 11:03, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a
network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch
for me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.
though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

I don't actually consider that as "television", anyway.

More fool you, it is anyway.

It's a completely different mechanism from the original meaning.

No, its just a different way of delivering what you watch.

Yes, but you are talking about television programming. I was talking
about television as a broadcast system using radio waves (its original
meaning), because we were discussing aerials.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

 

[annily]

On 15.07.13 17:48, SG1 wrote:

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"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15.07.13 11:03, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a
network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch
for me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.
though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

I don't actually consider that as "television", anyway.

More fool you, it is anyway.

It's a completely different mechanism from the original meaning.

No, its just a different way of delivering what you watch.

Even cable "television" is a bit of s stretch.

Seeing at a distance is the translation of television, do you want to
remove the distance???

No. I don't understand the reason for the question.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 <lostit@the.races.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a
network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch for
me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.

though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.

Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

I don't actually consider that as "television", anyway.

More fool you, it is anyway.

It's a completely different mechanism from the original meaning.

No, its just a different way of delivering what you watch.

Even cable "television" is a bit of s stretch.

Seeing at a distance is the translation of television,

Irrelevant to what it actually means today, just entertainment etc.

do you want to remove the distance???

No.

 

[Rod Speed]

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On 15.07.13 16:26, Rod Speed wrote:


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On 14.07.13 20:56, Rod Speed wrote:


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Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/



or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without
the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using
wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

You use an internal one, stupid.

An internal aerial? That's still an aerial.

But those are so cheap that they are irrelevant, stupid.

LOL.

Village eejut imitations cut no mustard around here, boy.

Nobody mentioned cost.

No one mentioned you either.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

Your problem, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15.07.13 16:27, Rod Speed wrote:


"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15.07.13 11:03, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
annily <annily@annily.invalid> wrote

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a
network that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Didn't consider the BBC as something some one would want to watch
for me

I watch more of their stuff than anyone else's.
though it's easy to change my proxy to a POM one or whoever

It isnt that easy in practice.
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

I don't actually consider that as "television", anyway.

More fool you, it is anyway.

It's a completely different mechanism from the original meaning.

No, its just a different way of delivering what you watch.

Yes, but you are talking about television programming.

Nope, never did.

I was talking about television as a broadcast system using radio waves
(its original meaning),

Pity the world moved on, just like it always does.

because we were discussing aerials.

We were discussing a lot more than just aerials.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

Your problem, as always.