Parramatta launches Australia’s first 5G Wi-Fi network, wit

[Don McKenzie]

Parramatta launches Australia’s first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to 100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard, came up with the idea to build a network that would put
Parramatta on the map and offer almost the same standard of connectivity seen in cities such as New York, Seoul and
Barcelona.

“This is an event that the New South Wales government said couldn’t happen three years ago,” he said at the launch today.

“Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility study that said we couldn’t do what we’re launching
today. So it’s thanks to the capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is made up of a combination of community and
business people who have come together to work on this.”

==============================

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will only be guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder
what new technologies will arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could make fiber optic to every home plan,
look like last centuries technology.

Don...

--
Don McKenzie

$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $25 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

 

[Bob Milutinovic]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:b4bhtrF4ue3U1@mid.individual.net...

Parramatta launches Australia’s first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up
to 100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard,
came up with the idea to build a network that would put Parramatta
on the map and offer almost the same standard of connectivity seen
in cities such as New York, Seoul and Barcelona.

Pemulwuy's on the map, but practically nobody knows it's there - and almost
everyone has difficulty pronouncing it once it's pointed out to them.
Parramatta on the other hand is the second-largest business centre in
Sydney; surely it didn't need any more "putting on the map" if that was
their sole aim.

“This is an event that the New South Wales government said
couldn’t happen three years ago,” he said at the launch today.

“Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility
study that said we couldn’t do what we’re launching today. So it’s
thanks to the capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is
made up of a combination of community and business people who
have come together to work on this.”

Correction: "Three years ago they spent a million dollars keeping
otherwise-unemployable public servants employed."

==============================

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will
only be guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder what new
technologies will arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could
make fiber optic to every home plan, look like last centuries
technology.

Gigabit Ethernet is already available in the CBDs of Soeul, Amsterdam and
Tokyo.

So, any bets on how long this ParraConnect escapade will last, when they
discover most people will simply put in MAC-changing software and use their
free WiFi 24 hours a day? Or when the people themselves discover that it's
under-provisioned so the real throughput is actually less than 1Mbps despite
the theoretical maximum speed of the underlying medium?

--
Bob Milutinovic
Cognicom

 

[Rod Speed]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:b4bhtrF4ue3U1@mid.individual.net...

Parramatta launches Australia’s first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to
100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard, came up with
the idea to build a network that would put Parramatta on the map and offer
almost the same standard of connectivity seen in cities such as New York,
Seoul and Barcelona.

“This is an event that the New South Wales government said couldn’t happen
three years ago,” he said at the launch today.

“Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility study
that said we couldn’t do what we’re launching today. So it’s thanks to the
capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is made up of a combination
of community and business people who have come together to work on this.”

==============================

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will only be
guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder what new technologies will
arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could make fiber optic to
every home plan, look like last centuries technology.

Bet its actually seen as something essential to have along with universally
available wifi
that’s used for the higher volume stuff that the shared bandwidth wifi doesn’t
do very well.

 

[SG1]

"Don McKenzie" <5V@2.5A> wrote in message
news:b4bhtrF4ue3U1@mid.individual.net...

Parramatta launches Australia’s first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to
100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard, came up with
the idea to build a network that would put Parramatta on the map and offer
almost the same standard of connectivity seen in cities such as New York,
Seoul and Barcelona.

“This is an event that the New South Wales government said couldn’t happen
three years ago,” he said at the launch today.

“Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility study
that said we couldn’t do what we’re launching today. So it’s thanks to the
capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is made up of a combination
of community and business people who have come together to work on this.”

==============================

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will only be
guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder what new technologies will
arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could make fiber optic to
every home plan, look like last centuries technology.

Ah Don fibre is last century's tech.

Don...

--
Don McKenzie

$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $25 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 13/07/2013 9:31 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Parramatta launches Australia’s first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to
100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/


Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard, came up with
the idea to build a network that would put Parramatta on the map and
offer almost the same standard of connectivity seen in cities such as
New York, Seoul and Barcelona.

“This is an event that the New South Wales government said couldn’t
happen three years ago,” he said at the launch today.

“Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility study
that said we couldn’t do what we’re launching today. So it’s thanks to
the capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is made up of a
combination of community and business people who have come together to
work on this.”

==============================

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will only
be guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder what new technologies will
arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could make fiber optic to
every home plan, look like last centuries technology.

Don...

**You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around
150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by the number of users
(yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the maximum capacity of a
single fibre (which no one has yet managed to do), then another fibre
can be dropped into the hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

No ugly towers, no drop-outs and obsolete-proof (for the next 100 years
or so).

Wireless certainly has it's place. Fibre, much moreso.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Petzl]

On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:09:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:22o1u85i9t9igrviprudmoaaek8ccq4do5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:45:41 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 13/07/2013 9:31 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Parramatta launches Australia's first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to
100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/


Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard, came up with
the idea to build a network that would put Parramatta on the map and
offer almost the same standard of connectivity seen in cities such as
New York, Seoul and Barcelona.

"This is an event that the New South Wales government said couldn't
happen three years ago," he said at the launch today.

"Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility study
that said we couldn't do what we're launching today. So it's thanks to
the capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is made up of a
combination of community and business people who have come together to
work on this."

==============================

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will only
be guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder what new technologies will
arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could make fiber optic to
every home plan, look like last centuries technology.

Don...


**You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around
150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by the number of users
(yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the maximum capacity of a
single fibre (which no one has yet managed to do), then another fibre
can be dropped into the hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

No ugly towers, no drop-outs and obsolete-proof (for the next 100 years
or so).

Wireless certainly has it's place. Fibre, much moreso.

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said though the more

connections to WiF the slower it gets

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas that Mobile
connections are not necessary and a dam site cheaper Skype to Skype
infact free

 

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

Parramatta launches Australia's first free 802.11ac Wi-Fi network
Users
can access 30 minutes a day of free Internet with speeds up to 100Mbps

Full Story at:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

Councillor and ParraConnect committee member, Paul Garrard,
came up with the idea to build a network that would put Parramatta
on the map and offer almost the same standard of connectivity seen
in cities such as New York, Seoul and Barcelona.

"This is an event that the New South Wales government said
couldn't happen three years ago," he said at the launch today.

"Three years ago they spent a million dollars doing a feasibility
study
that said we couldn't do what we're launching today. So it's thanks to
the capacity of the ParraConnect committee which is made up of a
combination of community and business people who have come
together to work on this."

==============================

With the NBN fiber cable to almost ever home, at a cost that will only
be guessed at after 10+ years, I often wonder what new technologies
will arrive in the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years that could make fiber
optic
to every home plan, look like last centuries technology.

You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around
150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by the number of users
(yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the maximum capacity of a
single fibre (which no one has yet managed to do), then another fibre
can be dropped into the hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

No ugly towers, no drop-outs and obsolete-proof (for the next 100 years
or so).

Wireless certainly has it's place. Fibre, much moreso.

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the NBN.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

though the more connections to WiF the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 13-Jul-13 2:45 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around 150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by
the number of users (yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the maximum capacity of a single fibre (which no one
has yet managed to do), then another fibre can be dropped into the hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

Fibre has a maximum capacity?

Japan's incumbent telecommunications carrier, NTT, is claiming a telecommunications speed record, demonstrating a fibre
technology able to carry 1 Petabit-per-second - a million gigabits - over a distance of 50 kilometers, using a single fibre.

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/09/26/3598036.htm

There are many Dr Google hits that refer to faster fibre methods.

Don...



--
Don McKenzie

$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $25 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

 

[Petzl]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:35:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/
or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp >

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it and offering

"speeds up to 100Mbps"

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having a NBN

connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er" (no plans or Internet
charges) with the NBN it could get better and will get faster.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan will find TV entertainment get
better no need for TV aerial. Security Cameras become a neighborhood
norm
http://tinyurl.com/p7mld4k
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/Abbotts-NBN-Plan
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay TV interests.
Rupert Murdoch tries to buy U.S. presidency
http://tinyurl.com/ab3y6nl
Federal Police investigating Murdoch http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/federal_police_join_news_probe_s0h2FfmrnzYD7dIbq8s04L
Murdoch hiring hackers to kill off opposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAsnY1Pbj8&list
In Australia Murdoch doing the same
http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/pay_tv_piracy_hits_news_OV8K5fhBeGawgosSzi52MM
Paul Keating's assessment of Rupert Murdoch as "a big bad bastard"
"Murdoch 'not fit' to run News Corp" < http://tinyurl.com/7njegk3 >
"Rupert Murdoch has let it be known within his organisation that Australia needs change in Canberra and his editors were simply doing his bidding"
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12041

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 14/07/2013 9:31 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

On 13-Jul-13 2:45 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around
150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by
the number of users (yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the
maximum capacity of a single fibre (which no one
has yet managed to do), then another fibre can be dropped into the
hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

Fibre has a maximum capacity?

Japan's incumbent telecommunications carrier, NTT, is claiming a
telecommunications speed record, demonstrating a fibre technology able
to carry 1 Petabit-per-second - a million gigabits - over a distance of
50 kilometers, using a single fibre.

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/09/26/3598036.htm

There are many Dr Google hits that refer to faster fibre methods.

Don...

**Every medium MUST have some kind of limit. Fibre's is so damned high
that we are unlikely to reach it for several decades. Wireless is, of
course, limited.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/
or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

Security Cameras become a neighborhood norm

Don't believe that. Fuck all will bother with it.

http://tinyurl.com/p7mld4k

Only people like us use stuff like that.

The average droid can't even use business cards with their fucking
mobile phones even tho its just a coupla taps with an iphone.

 

[Petzl]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:17:08 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/
or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

You have to be able to get 100Mbps first

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

Not at REAL broadband speeds because copper wire don't offer it for

starters

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

It has because FINALY Australia will have broadband something copper

wire can't provide.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Couple of years ago Mobile phone providers found it a threat and tried

to increase data charges for broadband.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I don't know about plenty. The other is to buy a pre-paid mobile from

a petrol station or similar. Skype on WiFi allows you a worldwide
number.

My wrong numbers have ceased now so it must of been that I chose a
dumped number?

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

I'm saying it will be already my favorite places have it and I can

leech free Internet easily around Sydney. Only rarely do I use mobile
data and never use even 10% of my $10 a month charge

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

Yes but with higher speed to start with, as the NBN does, increases

the speed for a said number of users

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

I believe most will

I heard that argument when B/W TV's were coming out
Then you had groups of people turning up to peoples place to watch
here's Lucy and so on. Even outside department store windows you would
see a group of people watching. Same for colour

My Grandparents were amongst many thought that electricity would not
catch on. He made a LOT of money making electric stoves

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

You wait and EVERYONE subscribes to the ROD SPEED channel

Digital cannot compete with all thats out there
Very little I watch on TV Golf I watch on the internet already
Not avaiable on Didital Fox has it but don't want to pay to just watch
golf everything else they have is crap

Security Cameras become a neighborhood norm

Don't believe that. Fuck all will bother with it.

Just becomes easier. You can even get a drone to fly around your

property from anywhere in the world
http://hacknmod.com/hack/aerial-surveillance-copter-launched-from-a-mailbox/

http://tinyurl.com/p7mld4k

Only people like us use stuff like that.

The average droid can't even use business cards with their fucking
mobile phones even tho its just a coupla taps with an iphone.

Thanks for the tip look up an Android version
At present I keep given business cards in a card folder
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/Abbotts-NBN-Plan
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay TV interests.
Rupert Murdoch tries to buy U.S. presidency
http://tinyurl.com/ab3y6nl
Federal Police investigating Murdoch http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/federal_police_join_news_probe_s0h2FfmrnzYD7dIbq8s04L
Murdoch hiring hackers to kill off opposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAsnY1Pbj8&list
In Australia Murdoch doing the same
http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/pay_tv_piracy_hits_news_OV8K5fhBeGawgosSzi52MM
Paul Keating's assessment of Rupert Murdoch as "a big bad bastard"
"Murdoch 'not fit' to run News Corp" < http://tinyurl.com/7njegk3 >
"Rupert Murdoch has let it be known within his organisation that Australia needs change in Canberra and his editors were simply doing his bidding"
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12041

 

[annily]

On 14.07.13 15:47, Rod Speed wrote:

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

 

[annily]

On 14.07.13 19:22, annily wrote:

On 14.07.13 15:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/


or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.


How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

Oh, OK, I suppose you mean cable TV.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

 

[Petzl]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:22:42 +0930, annily <annily@annily.invalid>
wrote:

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.


How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a network
that you can sign or subscribe into
Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/
--
Petzl
http://tinyurl.com/Abbotts-NBN-Plan
Q: What has Tony Abbott promised Murdoch?
A: A broadband network that will be so slow as to offer no competition to his pay TV interests.
Rupert Murdoch tries to buy U.S. presidency
http://tinyurl.com/ab3y6nl
Federal Police investigating Murdoch http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/federal_police_join_news_probe_s0h2FfmrnzYD7dIbq8s04L
Murdoch hiring hackers to kill off opposition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAsnY1Pbj8&list
In Australia Murdoch doing the same
http://afr.com/p/business/marketing_media/pay_tv_piracy_hits_news_OV8K5fhBeGawgosSzi52MM
Paul Keating's assessment of Rupert Murdoch as "a big bad bastard"
"Murdoch 'not fit' to run News Corp" < http://tinyurl.com/7njegk3 >
"Rupert Murdoch has let it be known within his organisation that Australia needs change in Canberra and his editors were simply doing his bidding"
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12041

 

[Rod Speed]

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/
or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

You have to be able to get 100Mbps first

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

Not at REAL broadband speeds because copper wire don't offer it for
starters

Wrong with the speed seen over the wifi.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

It has because FINALY Australia will have broadband
something copper wire can't provide.

Wrong, as always.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Couple of years ago Mobile phone providers found it a
threat and tried to increase data charges for broadband.

Bullshit. Data charges are as low as they have ever been.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I don't know about plenty.

Your problem. You just get a local sim.

The other is to buy a pre-paid mobile

That's just one way.

from a petrol station or similar.

Doesn't matter where you get it from.

Skype on WiFi allows you a worldwide number.

Only where wifi is available.

My wrong numbers have ceased now so it
must of been that I chose a dumped number?

Or that is due to something else.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

I'm saying it will be already my favorite places have it

Depends on what your favourite places are.

and I can leech free Internet easily around Sydney. Only rarely do I
use mobile data and never use even 10% of my $10 a month charge

I don't either, and there is fuck all free wifi around here, just the
library basically.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

Yes but with higher speed to start with, as the NBN
does, increases the speed for a said number of users

Wrong. The problem is with the wifi itself, not with the speed of the feed
to that.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

I believe most will

Believe what you like, most don't.

I heard that argument when B/W TV's were coming out

You're completely off with the fucking fairys now.

Then you had groups of people turning up to peoples place to watch
here's Lucy and so on. Even outside department store windows you
would see a group of people watching. Same for colour

Nothing like that happens with the NBN.

My Grandparents were amongst many thought that electricity would
not catch on. He made a LOT of money making electric stoves

Nothing like that happens with the NBN.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

You wait and EVERYONE subscribes to the ROD SPEED channel

Not a chance, because I'm not stupid enough to have one.

Digital cannot compete with all thats out there

How odd that that's what the absolute vast bulk of people watch.

Very little I watch on TV Golf I watch on the internet already

Irrelevant to what the absolute vast bulk of people watch.

Not avaiable on Didital Fox has it but don't want to pay
to just watch golf everything else they have is crap

Irrelevant to what the absolute vast bulk of people watch.

Security Cameras become a neighborhood norm

Don't believe that. Fuck all will bother with it.

Just becomes easier.

Still too hard for most who can't even use their mobile phones properly.

You can even get a drone to fly around your property from anywhere in the
world
http://hacknmod.com/hack/aerial-surveillance-copter-launched-from-a-mailbox/

They are too stupid to use something like that.

http://tinyurl.com/p7mld4k

Only people like us use stuff like that.

The average droid can't even use business cards with their fucking
mobile phones even tho its just a coupla taps with an iphone.

Thanks for the tip look up an Android version

You don't have to look up anything with an iphone its built in.

At present I keep given business cards in a card folder

Just another dinosaur.

 

[Rod Speed]

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e274ea$0$51511$862e30e2@ngroups.net...

On 14.07.13 15:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/

or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.

How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

You use an internal one, stupid.

 

[Rod Speed]

"annily" <annily@annily.invalid> wrote in message
news:51e27aa8$0$51515$862e30e2@ngroups.net...

On 14.07.13 19:22, annily wrote:
On 14.07.13 15:47, Rod Speed wrote:
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/520292/parramatta_launches_australia_first_free_802_11ac_wi-fi_network/


or < http://tinyurl.com/oume8lp

This will be a natural progresion of the NBN

Nope, it will have nothing to do with the NBN.

The NBN is why Parramatta was able to turn this one on

Bullshit. There are plenty of places that have done that without the
NBN.

According to the article the NBN is why Parramatta did it

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

and offering "speeds up to 100Mbps"

Any half way decent wifi does.

More and more WiFi hotspots becoming a norm

Yes. But that won't replace the NBN.

Agreed the NBN will allow more of them as you said

I didn't say that.

It was some time ago but with every premises in Australia having
a NBN connection the amount of available WiFi hotspots will grow

They are everywhere now with any broadband service and
with quite a few of the wireless broadband services too.

though the more connections to WiFi the slower it gets

Yep, there's a reason for the 30 mins per day limit.

Others like train stations pubs cafes will add to them

Sure, but that's got nothing to do with the NBN.

Big problem for Mobile operators in the area as more
and more switch to VOIP like Skype, MyNetPhone etc

Nope, no problem for them. Most won't bother.

In London there are many using WiFi VOIP in preference to Mobile

Only the techys do.

Any traveler should avoid Mobile roaming and use WiFi

There are plenty of alternatives to mobile roaming without using wifi.

I reckon more will catch on particularly in City areas
that Mobile connections are not necessary and a
dam site cheaper Skype to Skype infact free

Individual calls are free for those with capped plans.

with WiFi it means it could get "free'er"

No, because there are no free data only plans.

(no plans or Internet charges)

Free wifi just isnt common enough for that almost anywhere yet.

with the NBN it could get better

Nope, the problem is the number sharing the wifi channel,
not what the wifi hotspot is connected to network wise.

and will get faster.

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.


How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?


Oh, OK, I suppose you mean cable TV.

Nope.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mb25u89kakr0qgkir7k6dn33g4rm2rvqol@4ax.com...

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:22:42 +0930, annily <annily@annily.invalid
wrote:

Everything will, including wifi.

Those that do get the FULL NBN plan

Fuck all do.

will find TV entertainment get better no need for TV aerial.

No need for one now with digital TV.


How do you receive digital TV successfully without an aerial?

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia

Once you get a NBN connection every Nation in the world has a network
that you can sign or subscribe into

No, plenty of operations like the BBC won't let you use
their equivalent of iview outside that soggy little island.

Iinet already have an option for its customers to get
http://www.iinet.net.au/tv/fetchtv/

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 14-Jul-13 3:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 14/07/2013 9:31 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
On 13-Jul-13 2:45 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:


**You're kidding, right?

According to Nyquist, fibre has a maximum capacity somewhere around
150Tbs. And, unlike wireless, it is not affected by
the number of users (yet). Best of all, when (if) humans can tap the
maximum capacity of a single fibre (which no one
has yet managed to do), then another fibre can be dropped into the
hole. Presto: Bandwidth doubled.

Fibre has a maximum capacity?

Japan's incumbent telecommunications carrier, NTT, is claiming a
telecommunications speed record, demonstrating a fibre technology able
to carry 1 Petabit-per-second - a million gigabits - over a distance of
50 kilometers, using a single fibre.

http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/09/26/3598036.htm

There are many Dr Google hits that refer to faster fibre methods.

Don...




**Every medium MUST have some kind of limit. Fibre's is so damned high that we are unlikely to reach it for several
decades. Wireless is, of course, limited.

What I am saying Trevor is that you have to keep an open mind on new technology. Doesn't matter if it is cable or wireless.

Again Dr Google will find some interesting results today:
http://gizmodo.com/5954407/scientists-promise-ten-times-more-bandwidth-with-no-new-hardware

In 5 to 20 years time, the rules will change again.

Cheers Don...


--
Don McKenzie

$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $25 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.