OT: Why People Are Not Free? (rant)

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:27:39 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

1. We try (no, really we do!) to be helpful to everyone.
2. Especially to girls.
3. You ask some interesting questions.
4. You stay here even though you are grumbled at.

Even though you are seeing 'blue text', it isn't coming through to
us. I
can't explain what's wrong because I don't use Googlegroups.


That doesn't make sense. You reply because I stay here even though I'm
grumbled at? Believe me, off the computer I've had things said to me
much worse than what any of you have said, and none of it has ever
bothered me. I don't care what you think, I'm just here to learn.
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Then join the community and abide by its norms. That's all we ask.

I post the same way here as I do on sci.physics.research (which I've
learned a ton from) and my posts go through there. If I didn't quote
correctly or something, they wouldn't. So, I must be doing it right.
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They go through alright. We're looking for you to show that you *want* to
be part of the community, rather than a special case.

If you for some odd reason really want to read my posts, I'll try to
make it easier, but first I have to know what you're seeing. Try taking
a screenshot of what you see from wherever you're reading in which my
posts don't come out right, and post it on a free web server. Then give
me the URL and I'll look at it, and maybe then I'll understand better.
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I'll take a screen shot, but I'll insist on an email address to sent it
too. Mine is easy enough to figure out. Be warned though, make the
subject interesting (read: will make me know it's important). I don't
spend much time sorting mail from those I don't obviously know.

--
Keith
 
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:09:47 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

The Verizon news server is: news.verizon.net


OK I'll try that.

***Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way,
you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes***
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Um, we've all walked in those shoes. We've also figured out the Usenet.
'tis time for *you* to walk the other mile.

--
Keith
 
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:11:00 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

---
Check out:

http://www.giganews.com/


About 8 bucks a month for 2GB worth of >downloads. Not free, but not
bad...
---


My parents won't pay for a news server, I know that much, so there's my
issue.
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So... Why don't *you* pay? $13 per year isn't a biggie, I wouldn't think.
AS others have pointed out, Verizon has a news service. We now expect you
to dump google by your next post. It may take some getting used to to
take some power over your life back from google, but you will not be sorry.

Also, try different newsreaders. No one is perfect, but there are many
available (and free). Please don't use Outhouse Excess. May I suggest
Free Agent or Gravity?

--
Keith
 
OK, I'm on news.verizon.net with outlook express now, I finally got it to
work, does this look any better??? (Mr. Grise over there, who seemed
especially affected, you can be the judge)

"keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.03.28.02.20.50.530792@att.bizzzz...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:30:20 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

Would you *please* get a decent news client and find a news server?
Your
posts are quite annoying. I thought you might get a hint if prodded.
Evidently you are indeed a "fuck head".

I can't! Decent ones aren't free. I repeat, you don't have to read my
posts! Just skip over them.

Decent "what's" aren't free. You see, no one can follow your posts beause
you don't include enough text from the person you're relpying to for
anyone to figure out what the hell you're blathering about.

News *clients* are free just about everywhere. For WinBlows I tend to
like Gravity (*free*). There are free, or nearly so, news servers out
there. I now have to *pay* a grand total of $13 per *year* for
individual.net. It was free while you were complaining here.


I know you're all annoyed with me, but I have been copying and pasting,

C&P doesn't cut it, unless you add in all the hints that
*other's* servers use to display articles. When you write, you
must think of your reader. Newsreaders add all this stuff in for notin'.
You just stick the cursor in where you want to type and go at it.

as you say, and I must be doing it right because what I copy and paste
shows up as blue text. Therefore, I figure that if you are annoyed with
me despite that, it must be the context of my messages that's bothering
you.

When you follow the rules (apparently manually) it works, sorta. I find
it amazing that you're having to go through this much work though. The
accepted standards aren't tough and all newsreaders handle them. Dump
google-groups and get on with life.

I CAN'T HELP IT THAT I'M NOT A SUPERGENIUS AND THAT I DON'T
UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU DO. You don't have to answer my questions, so
if it annoys you to do so, just don't! I usually find the answer somehow
anyways. I wonder why you even care.

I don't care much either. I *thought* you wanted to be a grown-up and
learn from the rest here, rather than be treated as a spoiled *BRAT*. The
choice is yours.

--
Keith
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I'm laughing. That wasn't meant to mean anything, it's just a funny saying
thing and I decided to "sign" a few messages with it. I'm posting this from
Outlook Express but I pasted what's below from Google, because it wasn't
showing up here. I'm a little confused with how to use this thing.

On Mar 27, 6:28 pm, Keith wrote:

***Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That >way,
you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes***
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Um, we've all walked in those shoes. We've also figured out the >Usenet.
'tis time for *you* to walk the other mile.
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OK nevermind, I figured it out. I wasn't clicking the little plus sign in a
box thingy.

"~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com> wrote in message
news:qQR1e.27946$qN3.22673@trndny01...
I'm laughing. That wasn't meant to mean anything, it's just a funny saying
thing and I decided to "sign" a few messages with it. I'm posting this
from
Outlook Express but I pasted what's below from Google, because it wasn't
showing up here. I'm a little confused with how to use this thing.

On Mar 27, 6:28 pm, Keith wrote:

***Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That >way,
you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes***



Um, we've all walked in those shoes. We've also figured out the >Usenet.
'tis time for *you* to walk the other mile.
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:11:25 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

This is simply not true. >There is not a trace of what you are replying

to, other than what you see above, also set off by >angle brackets.

You really need to learn to copy/paste.

[I have been copying and pasting, and I seem to be doing it right
because it comes up blue. I don't understand. What else is there to
do?]
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This one is right, but the square brackets aren't really necessary.

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:56:51 +0200, Frank Bemelman wrote:

"~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com> schreef in bericht
news:1111875085.213507.92980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
This is simply not true. >There is not a trace of what you are replying

to, other than what you see above, also set off by >angle brackets.

You really need to learn to copy/paste.

[I have been copying and pasting, and I seem to be doing it right
because it comes up blue. I don't understand. What else is there to
do?]

Quit posting from Google. Use Outlook Express instead which is probably
on your computer already. Or use any other newsreader.

Simply never use Google for posting to usenet. Google makes a mess
of it.
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She might be at the library, or on AOHell or something, and not have
a news server.

SciGirl, check with your ISP and see if they have a news server. That's
really the right way to go about this.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:21:53 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

Who is your internet provider? Don't they offer a news server as
part of the package?

Verizon. I don't know. Juno's just the email.
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I have Verizon, and it comes with a news server: news.verizon.net.
That's what I'm on right now.

If you're using windoze, then probably the easiest is Outlook Express,
sometimes referred to as Butthook Distress and the like.

Open OE (butthook), and up in the menus there's a way to configure
a news server. That would be news.verizon.net. Your membername and
password are your membername and password. It might even ask you
for that when you first open it. If you have a working email, you
can skip OE's mail configuration.

I can't hand-hold you through getting OE going, since I'm not in
windoze at the moment.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:45:23 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

Who is your internet provider? Don't they offer a news server as
part of the package?

Verizon. I don't know. Juno's just the email.


The Verizon news server is: news.verizon.net

What browser software are you using? Some browsers will let you
click on news:sci.electronics.design and set up the account for this
newsgroup. Others have to be manually configured. You will also be
able to set up a Verizon E-mail account if you want it. If you need
help from Verizon click on this link:
http://www2.verizon.net/contact/news.asp

For other ISPs this page has some common providers and their links:
http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm
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EEk. I just told her to use butthook. I completely forgot that Netscrape
has a newsreader.

Cheers!
Rich
 
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:JPXmbJIZ1BSCFwTt@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz
wrote (in <MPG.1cb1db49f7ecd46298998b@news.individual.net>) about 'OT:
Why People Are Not Free? (rant)', on Mon, 28 Mar 2005:
In article <3IR1e.27945$qN3.12509@trndny01>, palmtree117@juno.com
says...
OK, I'm on news.verizon.net with outlook express now, I finally got it
to
work, does this look any better??? (Mr. Grise over there, who seemed
especially affected, you can be the judge)

Ok, now you've graduated from "Google lamer" to "top-posting
dolt". ;-) Quote and respond (or "conversational" mode) is the
preferred method of Usenet posting. Snipping the irrelevant bits is
good too.


Keith, you are being overly abrupt and unfriendly. If you responded to
most of the men here in that way, you'd get a very dusty answer. It
almost seems as though you are indulging in the probability that
Sci-girl won't descend to that level.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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Well, he's right, I won't.
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:qo1g41514cma2bo32shgs46v3q43en8rdl@4ax.com...
On 27 Mar 2005 16:11:00 -0800, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com
wrote:

---
Check out:

http://www.giganews.com/


About 8 bucks a month for 2GB worth of >downloads. Not free, but not
bad...
---


My parents won't pay for a news server, I know that much, so there's my
issue.

---
And you can't come up with $8 on your own?

--
John Fields
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$8, yes, $8 per month, no. I don't have time for a job and I don't babysit
THAT often. Besides, I'm saving for a laptop. Also, they wouldn't let ME pay
it if they wouldn't pay it. (Don't ask - my mom just is that way)
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:16:15 +0000, ~~SciGirl~~ top-posted:

OK, I'm on news.verizon.net with outlook express now, I finally got it to
work, does this look any better??? (Mr. Grise over there, who seemed
especially affected, you can be the judge)
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Perfect, except for just one more little thing - either under
edit/preferences or tools/options or something like that, there's a
setting to put the cursor at the bottom of what's quoted in your reply
window. (probably on a compose or reply tab or something.) This is called
bottom-posting and is preferred by the vast majority of USENET folks. The
half-vast minority reslly doesn't care. ;-)

(Next lesson: snippage! - ok, two little things. :) )

And I'm pretty sure OE has a setting where you can tell it not to
execute links. That's one of their worst security holes.

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:28:06 +0000, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
I read in sci.electronics.design that Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz

Ok, now you've graduated from "Google lamer" to "top-posting
dolt". ;-) Quote and respond (or "conversational" mode) is the
preferred method of Usenet posting. Snipping the irrelevant bits is
good too.

Keith, you are being overly abrupt and unfriendly. If you responded to
most of the men here in that way, you'd get a very dusty answer. It
almost seems as though you are indulging in the probability that
Sci-girl won't descend to that level.
--

Well, he's right, I won't.
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See? I knew you were going to get it right. :)

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:29:40 GMT, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com>
wrote:


$8, yes, $8 per month, no. I don't have time for a job and I don't babysit
THAT often. Besides, I'm saving for a laptop. Also, they wouldn't let ME pay
it if they wouldn't pay it. (Don't ask - my mom just is that way)
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---
Well, it doesn't matter anyway now that you've found that your ISP
supports a news server...

--
John Fields
 
"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2001.07.12.09.40.03.845742@example.net...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:16:15 +0000, ~~SciGirl~~ top-posted:

OK, I'm on news.verizon.net with outlook express now, I finally got it
to
work, does this look any better??? (Mr. Grise over there, who seemed
especially affected, you can be the judge)

Perfect, except for just one more little thing - either under
edit/preferences or tools/options or something like that, there's a
setting to put the cursor at the bottom of what's quoted in your reply
window. (probably on a compose or reply tab or something.) This is called
bottom-posting and is preferred by the vast majority of USENET folks. The
half-vast minority reslly doesn't care. ;-)

(Next lesson: snippage! - ok, two little things. :) )

And I'm pretty sure OE has a setting where you can tell it not to
execute links. That's one of their worst security holes.

Cheers!
Rich
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I didn't see it on any tab. But I tried... I'll just have to do it manually
 
In article <3IR1e.27945$qN3.12509@trndny01>, palmtree117@juno.com
says...
OK, I'm on news.verizon.net with outlook express now, I finally got it to
work, does this look any better??? (Mr. Grise over there, who seemed
especially affected, you can be the judge)
Click to expand...
Ok, now you've graduated from "Google lamer" to "top-posting
dolt". ;-) Quote and respond (or "conversational" mode) is the
preferred method of Usenet posting. Snipping the irrelevant bits is
good too.

--
Keith
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:24:06 GMT, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com>
wrote:

SciGirl~~" <palmtree...@juno.com
wrote:
I have this idea about the wormhole theory - say you were touching
your
two fingers together, could there then be a wormhole between them?

---
You only have two fingers?^)


No, I have none. I type with my toes.
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---
Ahhh.... then you've experienced the agony of defeet?


--
John Fields
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:7eug41le6k9nudk9bifs6s4r2tdj7335io@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:24:06 GMT, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com
wrote:


SciGirl~~" <palmtree...@juno.com
wrote:
I have this idea about the wormhole theory - say you were
touching
your
two fingers together, could there then be a wormhole between
them?

---
You only have two fingers?^)


No, I have none. I type with my toes.

---
Ahhh.... then you've experienced the agony of defeet?


--
John Fields
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No, very funny. I was being sarcastic.
 
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:20:16 +0000, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:7eug41le6k9nudk9bifs6s4r2tdj7335io@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:24:06 GMT, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com
wrote:


SciGirl~~" <palmtree...@juno.com
wrote:
I have this idea about the wormhole theory - say you were
touching
your
two fingers together, could there then be a wormhole between
them?

---
You only have two fingers?^)


No, I have none. I type with my toes.

---
Ahhh.... then you've experienced the agony of defeet?


--
John Fields

No, very funny. I was being sarcastic.
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Um, so was John. Actually, more like ironic. Sardonic? Satiric?
Whimsical?

Oh well, when in doubt, pun.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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