OT: Wheeeeee! New PSpice Benchmarks

SioL · Aug 23, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:58:16 -0400, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:
So did my email addy make it into your whitelist?

Go to the website and use that address, and then I'll respond.

(That address will be valid for awhile... I'm changing over to a
version of formmail, since some schmuck has submitted the *image-only*
address on the website to spammers.)

...Jim Thompson

I knew it was just a matter of time before some lame asshole combines OCR and
web spiders.
Now we'll have to use artistic fonts and texture in the background to fool the
OCR.

SioL

Jim Thompson · Aug 23, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:34:08 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <o4mii016pkf1gjno7i9d6u4f04au4ipifg@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[....]
When Intel went to the P4 they tossed the dedicated math core, so they
could devote more chip area to the pablum that the general public
wants.

Sounds like the Intel I know and love.

Intel made the 8080. Zilog produced the Z80. The best Intel could
respond with was the 8085.

Intel made the 8051. Several others made work alikes. Intel is not even
in that business any more as far as I know.

They make specialty uPs here in their Chandler, AZ, facilities, but I
think they are all OEM stuff, for automotive, cell phones, WiFi, etc.

Intel made the 8086, 186, 286, 386, 486, and then the Penti-uuuummm. It
took longer but they still managed to blow their leadership.

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Jim Thompson · Aug 23, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:26:35 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <MPG.1b933431e13dafa6989968@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:
[... me ...]
I assume these were all with the same OS.

I'd hope we're talking a 64b OS and software for the A64.
Otherwise the gains are truly remarkable!

JT says Win2K Pro so its a 2 bit OS

Win2K is the first M$ OS that I've had not a single problem with.
That's one of the reasons why I haven't gone on to XP Pro. The other
reason being that XP is basically spyware.

Plus I hate this "activation" crap that some software vendors are
going to. It amuses me how hastily Intuit (TurboTax) has retreated
from this approach, after the protest level was so high that it made
the front pages of newspapers around here.

...Jim Thompson
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Spehro Pefhany · Aug 23, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:34:08 +0000 (UTC), the renowned
kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:

Intel made the 8086, 186, 286, 386, 486, and then the Penti-uuuummm. It
took longer but they still managed to blow their leadership.

They have something like 83% of the PC market. In a healthy
competitive market, the leader typically has more like 40%.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Ken Smith · Aug 23, 2004

In article <r1mii0h4p2mt2e5uqk3fuu4fidkigbtkaj@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[...]

I assume these were all with the same OS.

Yep, Win2K Pro.

So it wasn't a 64 bit OS.

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Ken Smith · Aug 23, 2004

In article <MPG.1b933431e13dafa6989968@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:
[... me ...]

I assume these were all with the same OS.

I'd hope we're talking a 64b OS and software for the A64.
Otherwise the gains are truly remarkable!

JT says Win2K Pro so its a 2 bit OS

--
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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

Ken Smith · Aug 23, 2004

In article <o4mii016pkf1gjno7i9d6u4f04au4ipifg@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[....]

When Intel went to the P4 they tossed the dedicated math core, so they
could devote more chip area to the pablum that the general public
wants.

Sounds like the Intel I know and love.

Intel made the 8080. Zilog produced the Z80. The best Intel could
respond with was the 8085.

Intel made the 8051. Several others made work alikes. Intel is not even
in that business any more as far as I know.

Intel made the 8086, 186, 286, 386, 486, and then the Penti-uuuummm. It
took longer but they still managed to blow their leadership.

--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

Active8 · Aug 23, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:13:53 GMT, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:34:08 +0000 (UTC), the renowned
kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:

Intel made the 8086, 186, 286, 386, 486, and then the Penti-uuuummm. It
took longer but they still managed to blow their leadership.

They have something like 83% of the PC market. In a healthy
competitive market, the leader typically has more like 40%.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Probably because of all the teletubbie getting the MSN package and
the welfare crowd that gets a "free" computer with their DSL
contract.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

Ralph & Diane Barone · Aug 23, 2004

In article <WLlWc.1714$F6.345814@news.siol.net>,
"SioL" <Sio_spam_L@same.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:frlii0t2ri4miq90v2b9mgkeiuo166n8ft@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:58:16 -0400, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:
So did my email addy make it into your whitelist?

Go to the website and use that address, and then I'll respond.

(That address will be valid for awhile... I'm changing over to a
version of formmail, since some schmuck has submitted the *image-only*
address on the website to spammers.)

...Jim Thompson

I knew it was just a matter of time before some lame asshole combines OCR and
web spiders.
Now we'll have to use artistic fonts and texture in the background to fool the
OCR.

SioL

It's even more devious than OCR + web spider.

1) Set up what appears to be a porn site.

2) On your "Enter" page set up links to image-only e-mail addresses on
somebody else's site.

3) Have your horny users decode other people's e-mail addresses for the
privilege of viewing images that you scammed for free from somewhere else.

4) Voila. Free e-mail addresses.

Mike Engelhardt · Aug 23, 2004

Jim,

Win2K is the first M$ OS that I've had not a single
problem with. That's one of the reasons why I
haven't gone on to XP Pro. The other
reason being that XP is basically spyware.

Plus I hate this "activation" crap that some
software vendors are going to...

Boy howdy. I've avoided XP Pro in preference to
2K, but have to maintain an XP Pro machine as a
test bed. While Win 2K was a clear improvement
to NT4.0, XP Pro is a definite step backward in
performance.

--Mike

Jim Thompson · Aug 23, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:28:26 GMT, "Mike Engelhardt" <nospam@spam.org>
wrote:

Jim,

Ran the benchmark I posted 3 years ago.

2.175 times faster !!!

But isn't that the benchmark that LTspice ran about 2.5x
faster than PSpice?

Yes.

Could have gotten 2 years and 3
months on Moore's Law just by switching to LTspice.

--Mike

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Active8 · Aug 23, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:22:16 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:28:26 GMT, "Mike Engelhardt" <nospam@spam.org
wrote:

Jim,

Ran the benchmark I posted 3 years ago.

2.175 times faster !!!

But isn't that the benchmark that LTspice ran about 2.5x
faster than PSpice?

Yes.

Could have gotten 2 years and 3
months on Moore's Law just by switching to LTspice.

--Mike

But I love PSpice **and** the clone that is coming soon ;-)

...Jim Thompson

What clone? Whose clone.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

Jim Thompson · Aug 23, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:48:31 -0400, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:22:16 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:28:26 GMT, "Mike Engelhardt" <nospam@spam.org
wrote:

Jim,

Ran the benchmark I posted 3 years ago.

2.175 times faster !!!

But isn't that the benchmark that LTspice ran about 2.5x
faster than PSpice?

Yes.

Could have gotten 2 years and 3
months on Moore's Law just by switching to LTspice.

--Mike

But I love PSpice **and** the clone that is coming soon ;-)

...Jim Thompson

What clone? Whose clone.

I'm not allowed to talk yet until the official release, but it has a
PSpice Schematics lool-alike for the frontend, plus can handle
device-size library binning which PSpice can't do.

I expect all PSpice Schematics users to bail from
Cadence/OrCAD/EMA-EDA at the next PSpice release, since they will no
longer provide an interface from Schematics to PSpice... what
dumb-shits.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Kevin Aylward · Aug 23, 2004

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:48:31 -0400, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:22:16 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:28:26 GMT, "Mike Engelhardt"
nospam@spam.org> wrote:

Jim,

Ran the benchmark I posted 3 years ago.

2.175 times faster !!!

But isn't that the benchmark that LTspice ran about 2.5x
faster than PSpice?

Yes.

Could have gotten 2 years and 3
months on Moore's Law just by switching to LTspice.

--Mike

But I love PSpice **and** the clone that is coming soon ;-)

...Jim Thompson

What clone? Whose clone.

I'm not allowed to talk yet until the official release, but it has a
PSpice Schematics lool-alike for the frontend, plus can handle
device-size library binning which PSpice can't do.

library binning? ...SuperSpice is already released...

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Active8 · Aug 24, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:48:00 GMT, Kevin Aylward wrote:

<snip>

What clone? Whose clone.

I'm not allowed to talk yet until the official release, but it has a
PSpice Schematics lool-alike for the frontend, plus can handle
device-size library binning which PSpice can't do.

I hate it when good things dissapear or obviously useful things just
aren't implemented. So all Orcad will be good for is Layout. plbht.

library binning? ...SuperSpice is already released...

What's library binning? Do I get a young babe pushing a cart of

books (should be food) or some old bag with a sour look?

--
Best Regards,
Mike

keith · Aug 24, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:01:25 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:34:08 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <o4mii016pkf1gjno7i9d6u4f04au4ipifg@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[....]
When Intel went to the P4 they tossed the dedicated math core, so they
could devote more chip area to the pablum that the general public
wants.

Sounds like the Intel I know and love.

Intel made the 8080. Zilog produced the Z80. The best Intel could
respond with was the 8085.

Intel made the 8051. Several others made work alikes. Intel is not even
in that business any more as far as I know.

They make specialty uPs here in their Chandler, AZ, facilities, but I
think they are all OEM stuff, for automotive, cell phones, WiFi, etc.

Intel made the 8086, 186, 286, 386, 486, and then the Penti-uuuummm. It
took longer but they still managed to blow their leadership.

My first 386 machine cost me $6K in, IIRC, 1987; and that was a clone.

My first 4.77MHz 8088 machine cost me $2500 (with a *healthy* discount) in
1982, though it wasn't a clone.

--
Keith

keith · Aug 24, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:26:35 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:

In article <MPG.1b933431e13dafa6989968@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:
[... me ...]
I assume these were all with the same OS.

I'd hope we're talking a 64b OS and software for the A64.
Otherwise the gains are truly remarkable!

JT says Win2K Pro so its a 2 bit OS

I can't argue too much with either of you. I moved on from OS/2 to Win2K
*because* it was the only MickeyMouse OS that deserved the title of "OS".
I knew then that any M$ OS was a only stop-over until I could comit to
Linux. ...and I've finally gone around that bend I hope (some issues
left). I'll not go to XP, unless I'm dragged screaming. I'll retire
first. ;-)

--
Keith

keith · Aug 24, 2004

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:10:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:26:35 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <MPG.1b933431e13dafa6989968@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:
[... me ...]
I assume these were all with the same OS.

I'd hope we're talking a 64b OS and software for the A64.
Otherwise the gains are truly remarkable!

JT says Win2K Pro so its a 2 bit OS

Win2K is the first M$ OS that I've had not a single problem with.
That's one of the reasons why I haven't gone on to XP Pro. The other
reason being that XP is basically spyware.

Plus I hate this "activation" crap that some software vendors are
going to. It amuses me how hastily Intuit (TurboTax) has retreated
from this approach, after the protest level was so high that it made
the front pages of newspapers around here.

Activation, crap! What about rent-a-software. GOing down the MicyMouse
path you'll soon be renting your applications, and then shorly after
renting *your* data! ...just say *NO*!

--
Keith

Mike Engelhardt · Aug 24, 2004

What clone? Whose clone.

I'm not allowed to talk yet until the official
release, but it has a PSpice Schematics lool-
alike for the frontend, plus can handle
device-size library binning which PSpice can't
do.

LTspice has had binning for years. It lets you
mix hspice foundry models with PSpice behavioral
syntax. Folks have been upgrading from hspice
and PSpice to LTspice for years.

--Mike

Ken Smith · Aug 24, 2004

In article <gd1ki0dfhmg277mlol8ao26bce6j78qib0@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[...]

My first 386 machine cost me $6K in, IIRC, 1987; and that was a clone.

I bought the turbo charged 25MHz 386 machine for $3705. It was so fast it
was spooky. Borland pascal would finish compiling before I could read the
message that said it was starting.

It had a 100Meg hard disk so it had to have magic software to handle the
big disk.

Today I use a 100Gig drive and worry about filling it.

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