OT: What is NATO for?...

[John Doe]

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:00:20 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Russia isn\'t attacking the Ukraine to preserve its national existence. Putin may be worried that a neighbouring country whose government is making some progress in clearing out corruption may set an example that might lead to Putin\'s racket in Russia becoming less profitable for Putin and his fellow kleptocrats.

The international financial sanctions may have made that a serious miscalculation.

> Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in Ukraine.

How is \"meddling in the Ukraine\" helping NATO set up a first strike capability? NATO has ballistic missile submarines, which gives it a massive second strike capability.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 3/6/2022 10:00 PM, John Doe wrote:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries by a
superpower called the USA, based on whatever flimsy pretexts the USA
dreams up, but then freaking out when a different superpower does the
same to a country in its own backyard. Oh shit!

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 7:00:20 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

> Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability

Huh? Most NATO countries aren\'t known for \'first strike\' activity. Do
you know something about Belgium that I don\'t? And Canada?

> against Russia, not to defend anything.

After USSR\'s invasion of Poland, and the subsequent mass graves under Katyn
forest, the idea of defense was most certainly foremost in the founding NATO members.

That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

\'WE\' being Vladimir Putin and who else?

 

[John Doe]

whit3rd wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability

Huh? Most NATO countries aren\'t known for \'first strike\' activity. Do
you know something about Belgium that I don\'t? And Canada?

This is the first result on Google for (first strike capability)...

\"the ability to use nuclear missiles in an opening attack calculated to
destroy the enemy\'s nuclear weapons\"

Alzheimer\'s? Working too hard, not enough free time to learn stuff?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 3:09:39 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
> WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE ENTERTAIN BOZO FOR A WHILE.

John Doe does seem to be seeking attention here.

> Thank you.

John Doe\'s gratitude is worth about as much as his posts.

Quite why he persists in reposting the same old rubbish escapes me. Maybe he is afraid that we\'ll forget that he is our most persistent troll.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:15:54 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

whit3rd wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability

Huh? Most NATO countries aren\'t known for \'first strike\' activity. Do
you know something about Belgium that I don\'t? And Canada?

This is the first result on Google for (first strike capability)...

\"the ability to use nuclear missiles in an opening attack calculated to
destroy the enemy\'s nuclear weapons\"

Irrelevant to the intentions of Belgium, Canada, and other members of
NATO. It\'s also not a capability NATO has, unless there\'s some
vulnerability I don\'t know of, regarding Typhoon class submarines
inherited from the USSR. Why would one think NATO\'s \"only reason\" is
a capability that hasn\'t been seen during over half a century?

 

[John Doe]

Idiot...

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On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 8:15:54 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
whit3rd wrote:

John Doe wrote:

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability

Huh? Most NATO countries aren\'t known for \'first strike\' activity. Do
you know something about Belgium that I don\'t? And Canada?

This is the first result on Google for (first strike capability)...

\"the ability to use nuclear missiles in an opening attack calculated to
destroy the enemy\'s nuclear weapons\"

Irrelevant to the intentions of Belgium, Canada, and other members of
NATO. It\'s also not a capability NATO has, unless there\'s some
vulnerability I don\'t know of, regarding Typhoon class submarines
inherited from the USSR. Why would one think NATO\'s \"only reason\" is
a capability that hasn\'t been seen during over half a century?

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 7 Mar 2022 06:39:47 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t049bj$1bc$1@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

WTQBtqRLMsYm

 

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 7 Mar 2022 06:39:47 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t049bj$1bc$1@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

WTQBtqRLMsYm

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Mon, 7 Mar 2022 08:10:10 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t04el2$f25$3@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

DuTR//mOPKNt

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 03:00:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
<always.look@message.header> wrote in <t03sfp$lis$1@dont-email.me>:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

Around 1968 I applied for a job at NATO in the Netherlands
Was already designing things for army and navy here back then.
All went well until I got an interview with somebody who identified as some general,
he looked at me and sad: \"Mr Panteltje you know we do not want any commies here!\"
I replied \"commies are also people\"
That was the end of that.
Went to work for the national TV network, more my thing anyways (some called them all leftists of course ;-).

But it showed the \'mind-set\' in NATO,
completely nuts if you ask me.
NATO has been, ever since, an attack force, for example participated in the attack on Iraq
(filled with weapons of mass destruction according to Bush blah blah lies -> deep state).
At the start of the Iraq war I was working at Tectronics, they were elated about all the extra
sales the Iraq war promised.
I gave my opinion and left (was offered a contract).
Its a free world, Military Industrial Complex will sooner or later find a stronger predator.
You \'merricans are all a pawn in their game,

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:06:24 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 03:00:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
alway...@message.header> wrote in <t03sfp$lis$1...@dont-email.me>:
I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.
Around 1968 I applied for a job at NATO in the Netherlands
Was already designing things for army and navy here back then.
All went well until I got an interview with somebody who identified as some general,
he looked at me and sad: \"Mr Panteltje you know we do not want any commies here!\"
I replied \"commies are also people\"
That was the end of that.
Went to work for the national TV network, more my thing anyways (some called them all leftists of course ;-).

But it showed the \'mind-set\' in NATO,
completely nuts if you ask me.
NATO has been, ever since, an attack force, for example participated in the attack on Iraq
(filled with weapons of mass destruction according to Bush blah blah lies -> deep state).
At the start of the Iraq war I was working at Tectronics, they were elated about all the extra
sales the Iraq war promised.
I gave my opinion and left (was offered a contract).
Its a free world, Military Industrial Complex will sooner or later find a stronger predator.
You \'merricans are all a pawn in their game,

You are such a silly boy.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 6 Mar 2022 22:16:20 -0500) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <8OeVJ.120890$z688.78237@fx35.iad>:

On 3/6/2022 10:00 PM, John Doe wrote:
I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.



NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries by a
superpower called the USA, based on whatever flimsy pretexts the USA
dreams up, but then freaking out when a different superpower does the
same to a country in its own backyard. Oh shit!

+1

 

[server]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 09:06:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 03:00:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote in <t03sfp$lis$1@dont-email.me>:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

Around 1968 I applied for a job at NATO in the Netherlands
Was already designing things for army and navy here back then.
All went well until I got an interview with somebody who identified as some general,
he looked at me and sad: \"Mr Panteltje you know we do not want any commies here!\"
I replied \"commies are also people\"
That was the end of that.
Went to work for the national TV network, more my thing anyways (some called them all leftists of course ;-).

But it showed the \'mind-set\' in NATO,
completely nuts if you ask me.
NATO has been, ever since, an attack force, for example participated in the attack on Iraq
(filled with weapons of mass destruction according to Bush blah blah lies -> deep state).
At the start of the Iraq war I was working at Tectronics, they were elated about all the extra
sales the Iraq war promised.
I gave my opinion and left (was offered a contract).
Its a free world, Military Industrial Complex will sooner or later find a stronger predator.
You \'merricans are all a pawn in their game,

and you aren\'t speaking either German or Russian. And you are alive.





--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[bitrex]

On 3/7/2022 10:37 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 09:06:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 03:00:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
always.look@message.header> wrote in <t03sfp$lis$1@dont-email.me>:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

Around 1968 I applied for a job at NATO in the Netherlands
Was already designing things for army and navy here back then.
All went well until I got an interview with somebody who identified as some general,
he looked at me and sad: \"Mr Panteltje you know we do not want any commies here!\"
I replied \"commies are also people\"
That was the end of that.
Went to work for the national TV network, more my thing anyways (some called them all leftists of course ;-).

But it showed the \'mind-set\' in NATO,
completely nuts if you ask me.
NATO has been, ever since, an attack force, for example participated in the attack on Iraq
(filled with weapons of mass destruction according to Bush blah blah lies -> deep state).
At the start of the Iraq war I was working at Tectronics, they were elated about all the extra
sales the Iraq war promised.
I gave my opinion and left (was offered a contract).
Its a free world, Military Industrial Complex will sooner or later find a stronger predator.
You \'merricans are all a pawn in their game,


and you aren\'t speaking either German or Russian. And you are alive.

NATO wasn\'t always tits-on-a-bull, but it\'s a has-been. Has been a
has-been for about 30 years.

Unlike my erudite right-wing associates I don\'t consider the UN to be
entirely useless, though.

Only next-to-useless.

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:34:22 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 3/7/2022 10:37 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 09:06:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 03:00:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
alway...@message.header> wrote in <t03sfp$lis$1...@dont-email.me>:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

Around 1968 I applied for a job at NATO in the Netherlands
Was already designing things for army and navy here back then.
All went well until I got an interview with somebody who identified as some general,
he looked at me and sad: \"Mr Panteltje you know we do not want any commies here!\"
I replied \"commies are also people\"
That was the end of that.
Went to work for the national TV network, more my thing anyways (some called them all leftists of course ;-).

But it showed the \'mind-set\' in NATO,
completely nuts if you ask me.
NATO has been, ever since, an attack force, for example participated in the attack on Iraq
(filled with weapons of mass destruction according to Bush blah blah lies -> deep state).
At the start of the Iraq war I was working at Tectronics, they were elated about all the extra
sales the Iraq war promised.
I gave my opinion and left (was offered a contract).
Its a free world, Military Industrial Complex will sooner or later find a stronger predator.
You \'merricans are all a pawn in their game,


and you aren\'t speaking either German or Russian. And you are alive.
NATO wasn\'t always tits-on-a-bull, but it\'s a has-been. Has been a
has-been for about 30 years.

Unlike my erudite right-wing associates I don\'t consider the UN to be
entirely useless, though.

Only next-to-useless.

Yes, that\'s why Putin is so fearful of having a NATO country next door, it would make Russia look weak through association.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Pamela]

On 09:06 7 Mar 2022, Jan Panteltje said:

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 03:00:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened
John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in
t03sfp$lis$1@dont-email.me>:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in
its infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can
destroy the whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying
on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have
the ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our
friends. If they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power
is what Russia is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but
to preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike
capability against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are
meddling in Ukraine.

Around 1968 I applied for a job at NATO in the Netherlands
Was already designing things for army and navy here back then.
All went well until I got an interview with somebody who identified
as some general, he looked at me and sad: \"Mr Panteltje you know we
do not want any commies here!\" I replied \"commies are also people\"

So empathy is not one of your strengths.

That was the end of that.
Went to work for the national TV network, more my thing anyways (some
called them all leftists of course ;-).

But it showed the \'mind-set\' in NATO,
completely nuts if you ask me.
NATO has been, ever since, an attack force, for example participated
in the attack on Iraq (filled with weapons of mass destruction
according to Bush blah blah lies -> deep state). At the start of the
Iraq war I was working at Tectronics, they were elated about all the
extra sales the Iraq war promised.
I gave my opinion and left (was offered a contract).

You sound like Cordelia in Shakespeare\'s King Lear. She couldn\'t stop
shooting her mouth off in the name of \"honesty\" and plain speaking. It
ended up very, very badly.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/7/2022 11:36 AM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:34:22 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 3/7/2022 10:37 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 09:06:14 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Mar 2022 03:00:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
alway...@message.header> wrote in <t03sfp$lis$1...@dont-email.me>:

I suppose at the time NATO was established nuclear weaponry was in its
infancy. In any case, nowadays, all of the major powers can destroy the
whole freaking Earth. That\'s the power Russia is relying on right now.

Why do we (America) even need to be part of NATO in Europe? We have the
ability to destroy the whole world. Nobody will attack our friends. If
they did, we could lob a \"small\" nuke on them. That power is what Russia
is threatening right now.

None of the major powers, no country at all, will attack anything but to
preserve its own existence.

Seems the only reason for NATO is to establish a first strike capability
against Russia, not to defend anything. That\'s why we are meddling in
Ukraine.

Around 1968 I applied for a job at NATO in the Netherlands
Was already designing things for army and navy here back then.
All went well until I got an interview with somebody who identified as some general,
he looked at me and sad: \"Mr Panteltje you know we do not want any commies here!\"
I replied \"commies are also people\"
That was the end of that.
Went to work for the national TV network, more my thing anyways (some called them all leftists of course ;-).

But it showed the \'mind-set\' in NATO,
completely nuts if you ask me.
NATO has been, ever since, an attack force, for example participated in the attack on Iraq
(filled with weapons of mass destruction according to Bush blah blah lies -> deep state).
At the start of the Iraq war I was working at Tectronics, they were elated about all the extra
sales the Iraq war promised.
I gave my opinion and left (was offered a contract).
Its a free world, Military Industrial Complex will sooner or later find a stronger predator.
You \'merricans are all a pawn in their game,


and you aren\'t speaking either German or Russian. And you are alive.
NATO wasn\'t always tits-on-a-bull, but it\'s a has-been. Has been a
has-been for about 30 years.

Unlike my erudite right-wing associates I don\'t consider the UN to be
entirely useless, though.

Only next-to-useless.

Yes, that\'s why Putin is so fearful of having a NATO country next door, it would make Russia look weak through association.

Post Soviet Union the Russian oligarchs (of which Putin is one of the
biggest) has tended to view NATO as just a tool of US oligarchs e.g. the
Bushes, the Clintons, and we-will-coup-anyone-we-want! Elon Musk:

<https://twitter.com/panoparker/status/1318157559266762752?lang=en>

to use as a door-knocker to bang on their front door (contrary to
promises by Bush 1 administration et al that NATO wouldn\'t move
eastwards), and in that at least they weren\'t far off the mark.

The idea that Russia was unprovoked is as dumb as Putin\'s apparent
belief that regular Ukrainians would want him up their ass any more than
they particularly wanted NATO, at least until post-Crimea when they
started to view it as a least-worst option.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/7/2022 11:56 AM, bitrex wrote:

and you aren\'t speaking either German or Russian. And you are alive.
NATO wasn\'t always tits-on-a-bull, but it\'s a has-been. Has been a
has-been for about 30 years.

Unlike my erudite right-wing associates I don\'t consider the UN to be
entirely useless, though.

Only next-to-useless.

Yes, that\'s why Putin is so fearful of having a NATO country next
door, it would make Russia look weak through association.


Post Soviet Union the Russian oligarchs (of which Putin is one of the
biggest) has tended to view NATO as just a tool of US oligarchs e.g. the
Bushes, the Clintons, and we-will-coup-anyone-we-want! Elon Musk:

https://twitter.com/panoparker/status/1318157559266762752?lang=en

^ Look at the richest man in the world here, playing gangsta lol.

Foolish to believe the real gangstas of the world like Putin wouldn\'t
read this stuff and figure he wasn\'t going to be left out of the \"fun\",
no way.