OT: We got it up!

[Pooh Bear]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:10:31 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:55:49 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[snip]

No, one could also move earth to a further-out orbit. Turns out that
it's not hard.

John


Oh? Really ?

...Jim Thompson

I confess, I want to hear more about this.

Graham

I believe we are so inextricably gravity-interrelated with the other
planets that meddling would result in a disaster.

Not to say the Democrats won't try it some day, and we'll end up
falling into the sun :-(

You reckon the Republicans aren't capable of similarly screwing up ? :-o

Graham

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:19:32 +0100, Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:10:31 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:55:49 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[snip]

No, one could also move earth to a further-out orbit. Turns out that
it's not hard.

John


Oh? Really ?

...Jim Thompson

I confess, I want to hear more about this.

Graham

I believe we are so inextricably gravity-interrelated with the other
planets that meddling would result in a disaster.

Not to say the Democrats won't try it some day, and we'll end up
falling into the sun :-(

You reckon the Republicans aren't capable of similarly screwing up ? :-o

Graham

Neither side has any competence, but Democrats are plain ignorant and
will try anything if it sounds Politically Correct.

...Jim Thompson
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[Keith Williams]

In article <pan.2005.07.28.10.11.54.517989@cerebrumconfus.it>,
excretatauris@cerebrumconfus.it says...

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:47:55 -0400, keith wrote:

The Shuttle On-Board Software is pretty close.


SOB software?

Shuttle OBS, actually.

There's plenty of that around

True 'nuff. ;-)

--
Keith

 

[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:34:02 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:37:34 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:54:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:55:49 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[snip]

No, one could also move earth to a further-out orbit. Turns out that
it's not hard.

John


Oh? Really ?

...Jim Thompson

Yup. You just nudge the occasional asteroid into a hyperbolic flyby of
earth.

So where would that asteroid end up going? Towards the Sun, no
doubt. After a while there would be an asteroid belt between Venus and
Mercury.

That transfers angular momentum from the asteroid belt - they
have lots to spare - to earth. The numbers apparently work. The
'nudge' part takes a miniscule amount of energy and a good aim.

John

I can't remotely imagine that an asteroid would have enough energy to
impart to make the earth's orbit significantly different.

I expect some basic physics should resolve the issue.

Graham


It would take thousands of asteroid passes

Each one with 'good aim' - uh huh. I hope they end up with a system
more reliable than the Shuttle...

spaced over millions of
years, just enough to keep ahead of the sun's expansion. No rush.

And just think of all the leap seconds they'll have to add to the
year!

In millions of years (presuming we DO make space travel progress in
that time) the asteroid belt will be mined clean, and some other
matter will have to be used.

John

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[Frank Bemelman]

"Ben Bradley" <ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net> schreef in bericht
news:l2hie195luk4o3nfbca2ubtsppgucpmu1m@4ax.com...

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:34:02 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

It would take thousands of asteroid passes

Each one with 'good aim' - uh huh. I hope they end up with a system
more reliable than the Shuttle...

spaced over millions of
years, just enough to keep ahead of the sun's expansion. No rush.

And just think of all the leap seconds they'll have to add to the
year!

In millions of years (presuming we DO make space travel progress in
that time) the asteroid belt will be mined clean, and some other
matter will have to be used.

In millions of years we simply teleport the entire earth to a new
sun:
http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:41:04 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:19:32 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:10:31 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:55:49 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[snip]

No, one could also move earth to a further-out orbit. Turns out that
it's not hard.

John


Oh? Really ?

...Jim Thompson

I confess, I want to hear more about this.

Graham

I believe we are so inextricably gravity-interrelated with the other
planets that meddling would result in a disaster.

Not to say the Democrats won't try it some day, and we'll end up
falling into the sun :-(

You reckon the Republicans aren't capable of similarly screwing up ? :-o

Graham

Neither side has any competence, but Democrats are plain ignorant and
will try anything if it sounds Politically Correct.

Well, you neocons are doing such a bang-up job installing democracy in
Iraq and wiping out terrorism....
Finding weapons of mass destruction...
Capturing OBL...

Yeah. Real competent.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:23:02 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:41:04 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:19:32 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:10:31 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:55:49 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[snip]

No, one could also move earth to a further-out orbit. Turns out that
it's not hard.

John


Oh? Really ?

...Jim Thompson

I confess, I want to hear more about this.

Graham

I believe we are so inextricably gravity-interrelated with the other
planets that meddling would result in a disaster.

Not to say the Democrats won't try it some day, and we'll end up
falling into the sun :-(

You reckon the Republicans aren't capable of similarly screwing up ? :-o

Graham

Neither side has any competence, but Democrats are plain ignorant and
will try anything if it sounds Politically Correct.


Well, you neocons are doing such a bang-up job installing democracy in
Iraq and wiping out terrorism....
Finding weapons of mass destruction...
Capturing OBL...

Yeah. Real competent.

Cheers!
Rich

It took 5 years to win WWII. It took 75 years to defeat communism. It
took 85 years to abolish slavery, then another 100 to formalize equal
rights under the law. Have a little patience.

John

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <59she1hnhejgmau2v27gf4riql5s0vll2b@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
[...]

understand the details of how the bone loss happens. Being able to cause
bone growth and loss at will would be medically useful.

So spend the money on medical research. Dumping a billion dollars on
each shuttle flight is about as inefficient a way to do medical
research imaginable.

Very little of the research needs to go on in space and none of it needs a
shuttle to do. Mice have bones and can withstand G forces.

In a few billion years, the Sun will start to become a red giant. The
earth will get too hot to live on at some point. Moving to Mars would be
a good stop gap. Becoming a space fairing race is the only long term
option.


No, one could also move earth to a further-out orbit. Turns out that
it's not hard.

Just try to get the permits.

I suspect that moving the earths orbit without causing something bad to
happen will turn out to be much harder than just changing the orbit.

--
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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <pan.2005.07.29.00.25.13.556520@doubleclick.net>,
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:
[....]

Well, you neocons are doing such a bang-up job installing democracy in
Iraq and wiping out terrorism....
Finding weapons of mass destruction...
Capturing OBL...

Yeah. Real competent.

You've assumed that this is what they wanted to do.

Operation Iraqi Liberation was about removing Sadam.

The WMD situation has been hashed and rehashed to death.

If you caught OBL, what would you do with him? He is more popular in much
of the middle east than many people would like to think. His family is
very rich and well connected. Making him quietly go away would be the
best that could happen at this point.


--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Robert Latest]

On 2005-07-28, Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:10:31 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:55:49 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[snip]

No, one could also move earth to a further-out orbit. Turns out that
it's not hard.

John


Oh? Really ?

...Jim Thompson

I confess, I want to hear more about this.

Graham

I believe we are so inextricably gravity-interrelated with the other
planets that meddling would result in a disaster.

Not to say the Democrats won't try it some day, and we'll end up
falling into the sun :-(

I don't care who does it or who screws up at it as long as it's
only the US and not the entire planet that gets flung into a
different orbit. I'll try not to live there when it happens.

robert

 

[Clifford Heath]

Rich Grise wrote:

The US is a spacefaring nation once again!

Weell, there's a last time for everything...
Pity they've grounded the fleet indefinitely.

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:11:18 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:

In article <pan.2005.07.29.00.25.13.556520@doubleclick.net>,
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:
[....]
Well, you neocons are doing such a bang-up job installing democracy in
Iraq and wiping out terrorism....
Finding weapons of mass destruction...
Capturing OBL...

Yeah. Real competent.

You've assumed that this is what they wanted to do.

Operation Iraqi Liberation was about removing Sadam.

The WMD situation has been hashed and rehashed to death.

If you caught OBL, what would you do with him? He is more popular in much
of the middle east than many people would like to think. His family is
very rich and well connected. Making him quietly go away would be the
best that could happen at this point.

The point was, "terrorism" is the last line of defense of a people
who are being invaded by the inexorable US war machine. When you're
being bullied mercilessly, by someone who's bigger, stronger, faster,
richer, meaner, and insanely ideological, the last resort is to fight
dirty.

Is there anyone here who has been subjected to merciless torture by
bullies?

Those people are fighting for their _lives_. The US is murdering
people. The US is now king planetary bully.

Fuck, man, we won! The "cold war" is over! We're king of the hill!
The neocons are addicted to warmaking. They're criminally insane.
They need to be stopped.

Has anybody asked what their intent is? (the warmakers, that is.)

Has antbody asked who's going to monitor the US's weapons of mass
destruction?

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:07:36 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
The US is a spacefaring nation once again!

Weell, there's a last time for everything...
Pity they've grounded the fleet indefinitely.

This makes me wonder - it's only the last few missions that
have had problems with EFT insulation - why don't they go back
to the original design? Y'know, the one on the first missions,
that _didn't_ fall apart? I still remember the first launch,
and the EFT was white. I remember the launch when the EFT was
that dirty orangish color, and the news reports said that they
didn't paint it, in hopes of saving a couple hundred pounds.

Howcome nobody thought of using the original design, that
didn't fall apart?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:39:38 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

The point was, "terrorism" is the last line of defense of a people
who are being invaded by the inexorable US war machine.

That's absurd. The first attempt to bring down the WTC was in 1992.
Islamic terrorists have been bringing down planes and ships for
decades. These guys aren't acting on the behalf of, or for the welfare
of, any people but themselves. They want to be the Taliban, to rule
absolutely without anyone's vote or consent, to keep their women down
and send their young men off to die, leaving that many more young
women for themselves.

Those people are fighting for their _lives_. The US is murdering
people. The US is now king planetary bully.

Shiites are killing Sunni women and children in food markets to repel
the US bully? Absurd.

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

My father and uncles fought for the peace you enjoy. Neither Germany,
Japan, Austria, nor Italy have attacked anyone since.

John

 

[Joel Kolstad]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:dcc272$eil$2@blue.rahul.net...

In article <59she1hnhejgmau2v27gf4riql5s0vll2b@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
So spend the money on medical research. Dumping a billion dollars on
each shuttle flight is about as inefficient a way to do medical
research imaginable.

Very little of the research needs to go on in space and none of it needs a
shuttle to do. Mice have bones and can withstand G forces.

Assuming this were true -- and I imagine that, while some research probably
could be performed at lower cost, either here on earth or in unmanned
spaceships -- the usual problem is that just because NASA has a budget of
however-many-billions of dollars, taking away a dollar from NASA in no way
implies that that same dollar would (a) exist at all (in the government
coffers) or (b) go to any other program that you might think is less of a
boondoggle.

When you start looking at programs on a "cost per capita" basis, they often
seem quite reasonable. It's just that there are soooo many of of them these
days...

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> schreef in
bericht news:f0kke15pgvdahs5e7lhos1aloqf9ha38sc@4ax.com...

That's absurd. The first attempt to bring down the WTC was in 1992.
Islamic terrorists have been bringing down planes and ships for
decades. These guys aren't acting on the behalf of, or for the welfare
of, any people but themselves. They want to be the Taliban, to rule
absolutely without anyone's vote or consent, to keep their women down
and send their young men off to die, leaving that many more young
women for themselves.


Those people are fighting for their _lives_. The US is murdering
people. The US is now king planetary bully.

Shiites are killing Sunni women and children in food markets to repel
the US bully? Absurd.

*You* are absurd. You popped out of my killfile, by changing
your address with THIS and THAT, but now that I read your
stupid rants again, well -> PLONK!

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:59:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:39:38 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

[snip]


My father and uncles fought for the peace you enjoy. Neither Germany,
Japan, Austria, nor Italy have attacked anyone since.

John

Same here. Richard the <insert pseudonym here> should be sent to Fort
Bliss and used for target practice ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Keith Williams]

In article <pan.2005.07.29.15.45.25.162707@doubleclick.net>,
eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net says...

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:07:36 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
The US is a spacefaring nation once again!

Weell, there's a last time for everything...
Pity they've grounded the fleet indefinitely.


This makes me wonder - it's only the last few missions that
have had problems with EFT insulation - why don't they go back
to the original design? Y'know, the one on the first missions,
that _didn't_ fall apart? I still remember the first launch,
and the EFT was white. I remember the launch when the EFT was
that dirty orangish color, and the news reports said that they
didn't paint it, in hopes of saving a couple hundred pounds.

Howcome nobody thought of using the original design, that
didn't fall apart?

You mean the foam made using CFCs? Can't do that. Ozone hole, ya'
know!

--
Keith

 

[Richard Henry]

"Keith Williams" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d5430d426ae8413989b48@news.individual.net...

In article <pan.2005.07.29.15.45.25.162707@doubleclick.net>,
eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net says...
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:07:36 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
The US is a spacefaring nation once again!

Weell, there's a last time for everything...
Pity they've grounded the fleet indefinitely.


This makes me wonder - it's only the last few missions that
have had problems with EFT insulation - why don't they go back
to the original design? Y'know, the one on the first missions,
that _didn't_ fall apart? I still remember the first launch,
and the EFT was white. I remember the launch when the EFT was
that dirty orangish color, and the news reports said that they
didn't paint it, in hopes of saving a couple hundred pounds.

Howcome nobody thought of using the original design, that
didn't fall apart?

You mean the foam made using CFCs? Can't do that. Ozone hole, ya'
know!

NASA has an exemption.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:44:45 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

"Keith Williams" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d5430d426ae8413989b48@news.individual.net...
In article <pan.2005.07.29.15.45.25.162707@doubleclick.net>,
eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net says...
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:07:36 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:
[snip]
didn't paint it, in hopes of saving a couple hundred pounds.

Howcome nobody thought of using the original design, that
didn't fall apart?

You mean the foam made using CFCs? Can't do that. Ozone hole, ya'
know!

NASA has an exemption.

I don't know if they have an exemption or not, but tile failure was
not a major problem until environmentalists forced the discontinuation
of fluorocarbon(freon)-based foaming agents. NASA used hydrazine
instead, and the tile failures began.


...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.