OT: US BLEW IT IN IRAQ- Wall Street Journal Reporter Finds

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:52:22 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:22:11 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Wednesday 13 October 2004 06:38 am, Fred Bloggs did deign to grace us
with the following:
....
should do their duty. You think this unrealistic? You think it outside
the realm of possibility that this drug freak will wake up one morning
with the notion that God has told him to press the button?

Speaking of soothsaying, I have a premonition that if any nuke _is_
used, it will literally open the gates of Hell. It is Armageddon time,
after all.

Just watch.


Literally? Hundreds of nukes have been fired so far, including some
pretty big ones, and little red bats and stuff are not obviously
flying up out of the Gates.

I guess I should have been more specific. If it's used in an act of war,

with intent to kill and destroy.

Although, I think God disapproves of even the tests, but She won't
interfere with our Free Will.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Robert Monsen]

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Think up your own joke, clarence!

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- Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon,
on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God.

 

[Clarence]

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Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]
There is THAT charge hanging over him.
He was never tried though.
So Kerry seams to be getting away with it.

You mean Bush don't you?

No, I mean Kerry.

 

[Clarence]

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Not a Joke. You don't see any happy faces do you?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Rolavine wrote:

I heard Ralph Nader tonight on PBS. He said we should announce that we are
leaving in 6 months, and that we are not taking anything. We will stick around
and have elections, and try to get peacekeepers from the middle east to ease
the transition. We will open the contracts to rebuilding hire local contractors
and put Iraq to work. He thinks that will deflate the insurgency because we
would be announcing that we are not occupiers, just peacekeepers and that we
are not after anything.

I think I got the gist of it. I think it makes more sense than the plans from
the major parties. What do you think?

We are NOT peacekeepers, we ARE occupiers, and the purpose of the
invasion WAS to secure the huge Iraqi oil reserves and to establish a
military base of operations in the Middle East. The Iraqi people were
viewed as a minor annoyance to be brainwashed and bought off by the Bush
administration. All the rhetoric about "freedom" and "democracy" was
total lies and deception. The Iraqis weren't the only ones handed a load
of bull by Bush and his warmongering neocons.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

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I realize that in your world, a very small world, you don't do beta
testing.

[..snip more self-advertizing...]

I am not interested in the slightest in your perspective. You are a
cheap, shallow, piece of crap and garbage. Take your idea of engineering
and go hang yourself with it- you're worthless poison.



Since there was no mention of a flow regulator or nozzle type or even
use of such, your support for your dopey hack solution is just last
minute CYA.

What CYA?- who would suggest a run time meter unless there was an
equivalence between time and fuel consumption- the 'equivalizer' is
constant flow rate. This would be obvious to anyone paying attention.
Also, where are you getting this 'tank is outside' stuff. Here are some
clues you were too dumb to pick up on: OP is in Sweden, tank is glass
fiber, OP mentions access from the top, tank is most likely buried, OP
is not industrial engineer, OP is working on home hobby project, OP is
fiddling with his home oil furnace->nozzle. A run time meter will be
accurate enough for assessing remaining amount of oil, in hours, for
purposes of placing an order for a tank re-fill. It will be more
accurate than the oil company technique of recording your usage habits
which are integrated with degree-days, and that particular program of
automatic delivery works very well.


Well as usual you created information that doesn't even resemble the
facts in the original posts.

You're blind to it because you're a dumbass.



You winged the entire response like you
do in your attempts at political discourse. If you read the OP's info
as written there is no mention of a nozzle, pump, or that it is a
residential system, or that it is heating oil. The OP does not
indicate that he not an engineer and in fact demonstrates a grasp of a
MOSFET based RF pulse generation scheme.

To /you/ maybe- just shut the hell up- your stupidity is not even
entertaining.



Looks like you're the dumbass here. If the OP has a problem with my
assumptions then he can say so. You're just an unskilled, interfering,
noise source, as usual.


No, once again, the attributes and insults you cast upon everyone else
is a self reflection of what you see about yourself. You are a fraud
and just a cut and paste artist that doesn't care to know the subject
matter. The above example of your complete fabrication of a post that
could easily be checked is the same thing you do in your anti Bush
attacks.

More of your bullshit psycho-analysis...yawn.



This has been fun but I feel bad taking on an adversary so beneath me.
I am ashamed of myself.

You better hope to GOD that your delusions are never tested in real
life...You are so not-in-the-same-league that it is pathetic- you are
quite a sickening little small scale illiterate of no value.


Nice to see I got to you. Faced with factual evidence that you are a
fraud and a loser you lash out like a little girl. You can't defend
yourself so you resort to the usual adolescent barrage of chessy name
calling. You are without any honor, intellect or code. Just a
toothless yapping Yorkie trying to play with the big dogs. Hide all
the mirrors so you don't have to face reality.

Nah- that's been your problem all along. You don't know a damned thing
and you have no stamina.


Know a damned thing? I know you are an insecure failure blaming you
lot in life on others who put in the time and effort to get somewhere
in life. Like most underachievers, you blame everyone else, especially
the right for your shortcomings. You are at fault for your miserable
life, not the right or George Bush. The sooner you start taking
responsibility for yourself the sooner you can make up for all the
mistakes you have obviously made. It's never too late to get on the
right path.

Nah- you're dead wrong, I make plenty of money- always have and always
will. And as for your crap about blaming the "right"- that is total
nonsense, I come from a strong Republican background- actually I come
from the original Bush hometown, the town where that family has lived
since 1639- Prescott Bush was very highly regarded there.

No stamina? I play semi pro level soccer on two leagues at 90 minutes
a match and train highschool and Division one players two nights a
week. I have a feeling that I might possess enough stamina to kick
your liberal weenie ass all over the pitch.

Oh man- you are so damned brave saying that from 3,000 miles away- I
sure am impressed. I can't wait to play sock-er with you some day. Is
this the Los Angeles area where you live?

All anyone has heard out of you is a bunch of

bs about how experienced and wealthy you are. You deserve the life
you've made for yourself- insubstantial, shallow garbage. You should
start a new political club, Insubstantial Shallow Garbage for Bush (ISGB)-

[...snip the rest of your sorry-assed fiction...]

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:57:30 +0000, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

The problem is not with the Marines. They are just puppets on strings
in this crazy war.


Right, Grise is an idiot.

Well, I can hardly think of anybody else I'd rather be called an idiot
by.

- they will bring the counter-attack into the western homelands, and

all the high technology, military posturing, and political bs will not
stop them. I wonder if Bliar will apologize when London loses 100,000
people in a WMD attack.

Have you noticed that this exact scenario is what's taking place, except
that the US is the one bringing the attacks, which aren't really counter-
attacks, that's neocon doublespeak, into the eastern homelands, WITH all
the HT, MP and PBS? Guerilla warfare is the only means the Iraqis have
left to even _try_ to defend themselves from this hideous onslaught.

Imagine being devoutly religious, and believe "Revelations" is literally
true, and you wake up one morning to find the entire US military machine
bearing down on your front door. Wouldn't you want to fight against
the Devil that murders your countrymen?

Or, we could hang all the warmongers for high treason, and/or turn them
over to the World Court for war crimes and atrocities.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 05:28:02 +0000, xray wrote:

....I really can't understand what is running

through the minds of the other half of the American population.

"MMmmmmm..... Donuts!"

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

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From Baghdad

A Wall Street Journal Reporter's E-Mail to Friends

by Farnaz Fassihi


I thought you said the WSJ should stick to business news?

Here is an actual article by Fassihi:

What's your problem, retard? This is an article about the Iraqi
tourist business- and not a summary of "the situation". I know one
thing for sure, and that is you are NOT very intelligent to think
you can substitute an unrelated story for an argument. Note that
your cut-and-paste /is/ about business.


It is, sure as hell, an article about the situation, "Einstein". Pot
calling the kettle black, Mr. Cut and Paste Artiste!

It is an article about some insane attempt at re-starting the travel
industry in Iraq. The "situation" is NOT characterized by a hodge-podge
of travel businesses. There are no statistics whatsoever- it is almost
inane. The economic situation in Iraq is absurdly depressed. As I stated
before, you have a lot of Iraqis who can afford it "traveling" to
permanently escape Iraq. You have to be some kind of mental midget to
think that article is anything more than space-fill.

 

[me]

I suspect that if W hadn't invaded Iraq, all the dems would now be
trashing him for *not* going in.

I would have preferred that. Getting trashed doesn't kill innocent
people by the thousands.

Dumb ass!


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[John Larkin]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:08:42 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

So what is your point here?

That fewer deaths is better than lots of deaths?

And what is your opinion of 'fewer deaths' versus
unneccesairy deaths?

Minimize deaths. How's that?

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:
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[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

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In article <H1Abd.30395$QJ3.23149@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]

There is THAT charge hanging over him.
He was never tried though.
So Kerry seams to be getting away with it.

You mean Bush don't you?


No, I mean Kerry.

Don't put yourself out. What an idle little malcontent you are, but
don't worry, no matter what name you post under, we will flame you off
the group- on any topic, you are worthless technically too.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Why do I envision JDURBAN, CLARENCE, and SEIM as impotent overweight
little
men sitting in a dark room pounding away on their keyboards day in and
day out seeking any attention they can scrape up here? Anyone that
puts out as many kooky posts is either a shut in or has absolutely
nothing going on in life or career.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

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From Baghdad

A Wall Street Journal Reporter's E-Mail to Friends

by Farnaz Fassihi


I thought you said the WSJ should stick to business news?

Here is an actual article by Fassihi:

What's your problem, retard? This is an article about the Iraqi
tourist business- and not a summary of "the situation". I know one
thing for sure, and that is you are NOT very intelligent to think
you can substitute an unrelated story for an argument. Note that
your cut-and-paste /is/ about business.


It is, sure as hell, an article about the situation, "Einstein". Pot
calling the kettle black, Mr. Cut and Paste Artiste!

It is an article about some insane attempt at re-starting the travel
industry in Iraq. The "situation" is NOT characterized by a hodge-podge
of travel businesses. There are no statistics whatsoever- it is almost
inane. The economic situation in Iraq is absurdly depressed. As I stated
before, you have a lot of Iraqis who can afford it "traveling" to
permanently escape Iraq. You have to be some kind of mental midget to
think that article is anything more than space-fill.


PUHLEEEASE!

When I give you statistics you call them lies.

When I give you narrative you say they aren't statistics.

In business, we call this behaviour "Bring me a rock".

You should see the newly released UN report commissioned by Congress on
the audit of reconstruction spending using the Iraqi oil revenues-
billions unaccounted for- a major fiasco with rampant fraud, waste, and
abuse. I can't help but think a bunch of Iraqi rats got in there and
just raped, raped, raped, and then split the scene while the getting was
good. The "situation" is about as bad as it can be.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:44:59 -0700, Product developer wrote:

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Product developer wrote:


No stamina? I play semi pro level soccer on two leagues at 90 minutes
a match and train highschool and Division one players two nights a
week. I have a feeling that I might possess enough stamina to kick
your liberal weenie ass all over the pitch.

Oh man- you are so damned brave saying that from 3,000 miles away- I
sure am impressed. I can't wait to play sock-er with you some day. Is
this the Los Angeles area where you live?

Why do I envision Bloggs and Grise ...

Hero worship? >;->

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:44:59 -0700, Product developer wrote:

Hey Tom,

I admire your patience in dealing with the Rhode's Scholars in this
group.

Mr. Rhode has scholars now?

Very interesting.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Fred Bloggs]

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From Baghdad



A Wall Street Journal Reporter's E-Mail to Friends

by Farnaz Fassihi


I thought you said the WSJ should stick to business news?


Here is an actual article by Fassihi:

What's your problem, retard? This is an article about the
Iraqi tourist business- and not a summary of "the
situation". I know one thing for sure, and that is you are
NOT very intelligent to think you can substitute an
unrelated story for an argument. Note that your
cut-and-paste /is/ about business.


It is, sure as hell, an article about the situation,
"Einstein". Pot calling the kettle black, Mr. Cut and Paste
Artiste!

It is an article about some insane attempt at re-starting the
travel industry in Iraq. The "situation" is NOT characterized
by a hodge-podge of travel businesses. There are no statistics
whatsoever- it is almost inane. The economic situation in Iraq
is absurdly depressed. As I stated before, you have a lot of
Iraqis who can afford it "traveling" to permanently escape
Iraq. You have to be some kind of mental midget to think that
article is anything more than space-fill.


PUHLEEEASE!

When I give you statistics you call them lies.

When I give you narrative you say they aren't statistics.

In business, we call this behaviour "Bring me a rock".

You should see the newly released UN report commissioned by
Congress on the audit of reconstruction spending using the Iraqi
oil revenues- billions unaccounted for- a major fiasco with rampant
fraud, waste, and abuse. I can't help but think a bunch of Iraqi
rats got in there and just raped, raped, raped, and then split the
scene while the getting was good. The "situation" is about as bad
as it can be.


A link, please!

Published on Saturday, October 16, 2004 by the Boston Globe
Iraq Audit Can't Find Billions
Gaps found in spending for reconstruction
by Bryan Bender


WASHINGTON -- About half of the roughly $5 billion in Iraq
reconstruction funds disbursed by the US government in the first half of
this year cannot be accounted for, according to an audit commissioned by
the United Nations, which could not find records for numerous rebuilding
projects and other payments.


The Bush administration cannot account for how billions of dollars of
Iraqi oil proceeds were spent. The mismanagement, lack of transparency,
and potential corruption will seriously undermine our efforts in Iraq.

US Rep Henry Waxman (CA)
Government Reform Committee
One chunk of the money -- $1.4 billion -- was deposited into a local
bank by Kurdish leaders in northern Iraq but could be tracked no
further: The auditors reported that they were shown a deposit slip but
could find no additional records to explain how the money was used or to
prove that it remains in the bank.

Auditors also said they could not track more than $1 billion in funds
doled out by US authorities for hundreds of large and small
reconstruction projects.

The audit, released yesterday, found serious gaps in how the Development
Fund for Iraq -- a pool of money drawn from Iraqi oil revenues and
international aid, including some from the United States -- was handled
by American occupation officials responsible for funding reconstruction
projects and the operations of Iraqi ministries and provincial
governments. The development fund is separate from the $18.4 billion in
US reconstruction funds set aside last year to rebuild the country.

All the funds -- more than $5 billion -- were spent between Jan. 1 and
June 28, 2004, during the period when the US-led Coalition Provisional
Authority ran the country.

The audit reported numerous instances of improper disbursement practices
by the coalition authority. Among the findings:

* Hundreds of projects worth more than $100 million covered by the
Commander's Emergency Response Program, designed to allow US military
officers to quickly fund small reconstruction projects around the
country, had either no contracts on file, no evidence that bids were
obtained through competition, no purchase invoices, or no payment vouchers.
* Weapons were paid for under a buyback program with funds
specifically prohibited for such use.
* The coalition authority gave money to the Iraqi Ministry of
Finance, which then maintained two different sets of records. The report
said a ''reconciliation between these two sets of accounting records was
not prepared and the difference was significant."
* Checks were made payable to the coalition authority's senior
adviser to the Ministry of Health, rather than to suppliers, raising
questions about whether the money was spent for its intended purposes.
* A number of projects were awarded without bids ''without
justification" by treasury officials in one Iraqi province.
* The coalition authority could not find an underlying contract or
evidence of services rendered for a $2.6 million disbursement earmarked
for the Ministry of Oil. The audit said the matter is under
investigation by the State Department, which became the primary American
presence in Iraq after the coalition authority dissolved.

The auditors said they were told by US officials that all discrepancies
were ''under investigation."

The Bush administration did not respond late yesterday to the audit,
which follows a sharply critical report in July from the inspector
general of the coalition authority, which itself found ''insufficient
controls" over at least $600 million spent on Iraqi reconstruction.

The more comprehensive UN audit -- released yesterday by Democrats on
the House Government Reform Committee -- provided new fodder for the
presidential campaign of Democrat John F. Kerry, which portrayed it as
evidence that President Bush mishandled postwar Iraq. ''The audit report
is yet more evidence of the Bush administration's mismanagement of Iraqi
and US taxpayer resources in their failed effort to reconstruct Iraq,"
Susan Rice, a top national security adviser for Kerry, said in a
statement. ''Unfortunately, waste, fraud, and abuse have become the
hallmark of the Bush administration's handling of Iraq."

Democrats on the Government Reform Committee, which has responsibility
for monitoring the reconstruction effort, said in a joint statement that
''serious problems" in the management of Iraq funds must be rectified.

''These problems involved hundreds of millions of dollars, numerous
sole-source contracts, missing and nonexistent contracting files, and
continuing investigations into major irregularities," the statement said.

Representative Henry Waxman of California, senior Democrat on the
committee, said the audit indicates that Congress must immediately
launch its own investigation.

''The Bush administration cannot account for how billions of dollars of
Iraqi oil proceeds were spent," he said in a statement. ''The
mismanagement, lack of transparency, and potential corruption will
seriously undermine our efforts in Iraq."

Spokespersons for the Republican majority on the committee did not
return phone calls.

Rice suggested the findings raise further questions about whether the
US-led rebuilding effort is making a difference in the lives of Iraqis
and bringing stability to the war-ravaged country.

Citing the former head of the coalition authority, L. Paul Bremer III,
she said: ''Over a year ago, Paul Bremer hit the nail on the head when
he said that 'early progress on reconstructing Iraq will give us an edge
against the terrorists and save American lives.' A year later, it
appears the administration is still not listening."

The audit was performed by the accounting firm of KPMG for the UN's
International Advisory and Monitoring Board.

The Development Fund for Iraq was created under the aegis of the UN in
May 2003 and set up by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York at the
coalition authority's request. The UN's advisory board was established
at the same time to ensure that the Iraqi oil money and international
contributions were ''used in a transparent manner" during the
occupation, according to UN Security Council Resolution 1483.

 

[Clarence]

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PUHLEEEASE!

When I give you statistics you call them lies.

When I give you narrative you say they aren't statistics.

In business, we call this behaviour "Bring me a rock".

Killfile him. Bloggs is full of it. And Himself!

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence wrote:

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PUHLEEEASE!

When I give you statistics you call them lies.

When I give you narrative you say they aren't statistics.

In business, we call this behaviour "Bring me a rock".



Killfile him. Bloggs is full of it. And Himself!

Bloggs has swamped a little inbred creep D. Gathright back into his hole.