OT: UK to move back to imperial units?

On Sunday, 4 August 2019 15:37:22 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:51:35 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 11:22:29 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

Above I posted this estimate from basic principles:

->| |<- .030"
o o o o o
o o o o vias = 0.02", 25um Cu plated, 0.062" FR-4
o o o o o
o o o o

I estimated the above via field at 5.5K/W unfilled, 3.2K/W when
solder-filled.

Updating my spreadsheet, it's 0.5K/W when copper-filled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This guy makes and swages in his own copper rivets from soft
copper wire:
https://paulwanamaker.wordpress.com/300-2/

It's pretty simple, actually, and might be handy for
a super-critical bleeding edge product.
.-- swaged surface is recessed, but contacts top trace.
/
/ copper trace
====.___/___.==== /
====|\ V /|====
| | | |
| | | | FR-4
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
====' '---' '====


Might that block solder?

From the via? Oh definitely. But is that a problem? I don't see
why.

He makes his rivets tight-fitting. That maximizes copper cross
section, which seems fine to me.

I could build a corral around the dpak by soldering in three ribbon
cable headers, the ones with two rows of square pins on 50 mil
centers. We already use them as jtags. They would fill the holes with
copper+solder and add a tiny bit of additional heat sinking up into
the air themselves.

It would look pleasingly bizarre.

I think I suggested something like that last time this issue
came up -- inserting a number of copper-leaded dummy parts. That
would really confuse people .

My other option is the thermistor shutdown circuit, which is simple.
I'm trying to protect a pulse generator 50 ohm output resistor in the
case that the customer programs a big voltage and then shorts the
load.

After going though all of this again, I think my preferred move next
time will be a single large via under the thermal tab, filled with a
matching copper plug. A 0.150" copper plug would be simple and could
move a lot of heat (theta = 0.7K/W). Or possibly 4 x 0.100" vias, etc.

#10 wire is 0.102" and #16 is 0.0508", which might be convenient. Or
possibly punch or cut rounds from flat sheet...it's certainly doable.

Amazon and Ebay sell a wide range of punched copper disks, intended
for jewelry use. Probably not pure copper, but pretty good. One of
those could drop into a round hole on a PCB. But then, where would the
heat go?

Either links of thick copper wire soldered in, or stamped sheet links. A set of spokes of that sort should shift a therm or 2. Even a bunch of light links eg staple-style metal resistors can at least help.


NT

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 7:37:22 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Amazon and Ebay sell a wide range of punched copper disks, intended
for jewelry use. Probably not pure copper, but pretty good. One of
those could drop into a round hole on a PCB. But then, where would the
heat go?

Yeah, it's a bit of over-thinking here. The slug that you solder-down
is already a copper plate, if you want a bigger one, choose the package
accordingly. Or use a connector on the PCB, and plug
in a through-hole-with=heatsink daughterboard from the wave solder tank.

Any really effective heatsink has to be absent during
reflow soldering, after all (or ineffective in an IR oven environment).

This heatsink option always tickled me (I have a computer somewhere with such a hat)

<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8rZAR9V4AAMTHC.jpg>

 

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:23:57 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 22:04:14 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 11:59:41 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 10:22:08 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

That's total BS. Each state sets requirements for getting your name on the ballot in that state. It's been this way as long as I remember.

Republicans hold a large majority of state legislative bodies. Would
you be okay with them passing laws preventing qualified Democrat
candidates from running in their states? Under your theory, what stops
them?

It's unconstitutional six ways from Sunday. For one, ISTM it's a bill
of attainder -- a transparent attempt to pass a law meant punish a
particular individual. For another, it's adding requirements on top
of the Constitution's, which clearly states the requirements to be
president.

States don't get to customize the requirements to suit themselves --
that's lawless. Third-world. And very dangerous.

Cheers,
James Arthur

There is already Supreme Court precedence that states can't add
qualification to national positions.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

It's just so blatantly Third World and unconstitutional one wonders
how we're even in this position -- the schools have clearly failed
to teach our fellow citizens how this whole "freedom" form of
government thing works.

When was the last time Civics was taught in high school?

It might be kind of fun though. Various states could add a "trial
by ordeal" requirement, like ice-water immersion, or a minimum
number of pushups.

It's a good thing that Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't a natural born
citizen.

Or maybe a business-experience requirement, which would weed out
all the professional parasites^H^H^H^H^Hpoliticians.

How about "no one who has ever resided in California or New York"? Or
maybe no one who is a member of the Democratic Party?

 

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:33:15 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.

Cheers,
James Arthur

But California is prettier and has better weather.

There are very pretty areas of NY (Finger Lakes, Adirondacks,...) but
the weather does suck. Both are off-the-charts nuts, though.

>And better bread.

Don't know if I buy that one. I'm not much into bagels but the Italian
is quite good.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 21:34:00 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:33:15 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.

Cheers,
James Arthur

But California is prettier and has better weather.

There are very pretty areas of NY (Finger Lakes, Adirondacks,...) but
the weather does suck. Both are off-the-charts nuts, though.

And better bread.

Don't know if I buy that one. I'm not much into bagels but the Italian
is quite good.

George H kindly sent us a book about food chemistry, "Salt, Fat, Acid,
Heat" which calls the Tartine sourdough loaf the best bread in the
world. Is's about a foot in diameter and weighs about three or four
pounds.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysgvmabevh1ieeb/Tartine_Sour.JPG?raw=1

Their morning buns are famous too.

Truckee Sourdough is wonderful. The starter was unplanned, whatever
drifted in from the forest.

Mo thinks we we could manage to nab a fresh-baked loaf, pack it in a
cold-pack box, and ship it to George overnight. She works a couple of
blocks from the bakery and could walk it over to my shipping
department.

George, wanna try that?



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[George Herold]

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.

Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.
But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

George H.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 10:04:26 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 21:34:00 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:33:15 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.

Cheers,
James Arthur

But California is prettier and has better weather.

There are very pretty areas of NY (Finger Lakes, Adirondacks,...) but
the weather does suck. Both are off-the-charts nuts, though.

And better bread.

Don't know if I buy that one. I'm not much into bagels but the Italian
is quite good.

George H kindly sent us a book about food chemistry, "Salt, Fat, Acid,
Heat" which calls the Tartine sourdough loaf the best bread in the
world. Is's about a foot in diameter and weighs about three or four
pounds.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysgvmabevh1ieeb/Tartine_Sour.JPG?raw=1

Their morning buns are famous too.

Truckee Sourdough is wonderful. The starter was unplanned, whatever
drifted in from the forest.

Mo thinks we we could manage to nab a fresh-baked loaf, pack it in a
cold-pack box, and ship it to George overnight. She works a couple of
blocks from the bakery and could walk it over to my shipping
department.

George, wanna try that?

Grin. Thanks, but it's not necessary. Maybe someday I'll get to SF and you
can treat me to some food. (I'd rather spend my food money on oysters :^)

Here in NY I like the rye bread. Some of my favorite breads were the dark breads
I had in Germany... each town has their own bakery and flavor.

The traditional bar food in Buffalo is Beef on Weck.
The weck is a kimmelweck roll, carraway seeds and big salt chunks,
slather with horse radish and down with beer.

Hey the weather here has been fantastic. Sunny, 80's (F) days and 60's
during the night. And we have seasons!

George H.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 06:57:37 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.
Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.
But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

George H.

Monotonically more government has to end badly.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:11:55 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 10:04:26 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 21:34:00 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:33:15 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.

Cheers,
James Arthur

But California is prettier and has better weather.

There are very pretty areas of NY (Finger Lakes, Adirondacks,...) but
the weather does suck. Both are off-the-charts nuts, though.

And better bread.

Don't know if I buy that one. I'm not much into bagels but the Italian
is quite good.

George H kindly sent us a book about food chemistry, "Salt, Fat, Acid,
Heat" which calls the Tartine sourdough loaf the best bread in the
world. Is's about a foot in diameter and weighs about three or four
pounds.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysgvmabevh1ieeb/Tartine_Sour.JPG?raw=1

Their morning buns are famous too.

Truckee Sourdough is wonderful. The starter was unplanned, whatever
drifted in from the forest.

Mo thinks we we could manage to nab a fresh-baked loaf, pack it in a
cold-pack box, and ship it to George overnight. She works a couple of
blocks from the bakery and could walk it over to my shipping
department.

George, wanna try that?
Grin. Thanks, but it's not necessary. Maybe someday I'll get to SF and you
can treat me to some food. (I'd rather spend my food money on oysters :^)

The little French restaurant down the hill has local's night Tu-Th
every week. Oysters are $1 each, and the prix-fixee (?) dinner is $25.

In New Orleans, I'd get oysters for 10 cents each with a draft beer
for 25.

Here in NY I like the rye bread. Some of my favorite breads were the dark breads
I had in Germany... each town has their own bakery and flavor.

The traditional bar food in Buffalo is Beef on Weck.
The weck is a kimmelweck roll, carraway seeds and big salt chunks,
slather with horse radish and down with beer.

Hey the weather here has been fantastic. Sunny, 80's (F) days and 60's
during the night. And we have seasons!

George H.

We have seasons too! It's high summer right now, 58F and foggy.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 12:00:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 06:57:37 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.
Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.
But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

George H.

Monotonically more government has to end badly.
The increasing debt won't help either.

GH

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.
Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.

<grin>

But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

On your recommendation, I've been meaning to give Joe Rogan a listen.

Letting people do what they want in life (freedom, as long as
they don't injure another person), and keep the fruit of their
labors, makes sense to me.

And when it's easy for people to start new things, when you don't
hold them back with boundless & arbitrary blockades, creativity
and innovation flower. Which produces a wealth of innovation &
prosperity for everyone (since these innovations are almost
always aimed at improving someone's life somehow). Just about
every American man-on-the-street I talk to has an idea for some
great invention.

Having a centralized power that directs things, takes one man's
labor and gives it to another man, is both unfair and ripe for
corruption. (A centralized system invites single-point failures,
like, "Oops, we elected a vegetarian with a scrawny mustache.
Now what?" Or, "Gee, I guess those collectivist farms weren't
such a good idea after all.") Those are horrible economically,
and repressive politically. No bueno.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

tirsdag den 6. august 2019 kl. 00.09.02 UTC+2 skrev dagmarg...@yahoo.com:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
søndag den 4. august 2019 kl. 19.00.17 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:51:35 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 11:22:29 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

Above I posted this estimate from basic principles:

->| |<- .030"
o o o o o
o o o o vias = 0.02", 25um Cu plated, 0.062" FR-4
o o o o o
o o o o

I estimated the above via field at 5.5K/W unfilled, 3.2K/W when
solder-filled.

Updating my spreadsheet, it's 0.5K/W when copper-filled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This guy makes and swages in his own copper rivets from soft
copper wire:
https://paulwanamaker.wordpress.com/300-2/

It's pretty simple, actually, and might be handy for
a super-critical bleeding edge product.
.-- swaged surface is recessed, but contacts top trace.
/
/ copper trace
====.___/___.==== /
====|\ V /|===> > > >> >> > | | | |
| | | | FR-4
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
====' '---' '===

Might that block solder?

From the via? Oh definitely. But is that a problem? I don't see
why.

He makes his rivets tight-fitting. That maximizes copper cross
section, which seems fine to me.

I could build a corral around the dpak by soldering in three ribbon
cable headers, the ones with two rows of square pins on 50 mil
centers. We already use them as jtags. They would fill the holes with
copper+solder and add a tiny bit of additional heat sinking up into
the air themselves.

It would look pleasingly bizarre.

I think I suggested something like that last time this issue
came up -- inserting a number of copper-leaded dummy parts. That
would really confuse people .

My other option is the thermistor shutdown circuit, which is simple.
I'm trying to protect a pulse generator 50 ohm output resistor in the
case that the customer programs a big voltage and then shorts the
load.

After going though all of this again, I think my preferred move next
time will be a single large via under the thermal tab, filled with a
matching copper plug. A 0.150" copper plug would be simple and could
move a lot of heat (theta = 0.7K/W). Or possibly 4 x 0.100" vias, etc.

#10 wire is 0.102" and #16 is 0.0508", which might be convenient. Or
possibly punch or cut rounds from flat sheet...it's certainly doable.

Amazon and Ebay sell a wide range of punched copper disks, intended
for jewelry use. Probably not pure copper, but pretty good. One of
those could drop into a round hole on a PCB. But then, where would the
heat go?

To the other side. I'm assuming a hairy use needing this level of heat
disposal has a heat sink on the other side. In my case, last time, we
spec'd a milled, finned, aluminum block. Worked great.

My board will be in a box, so a heat sink on the bottom would be short
and sitting in dead air. My best option might be to conduct the heat
from the bottom of the board to the bottom of the aluminum box,
through a gap-pad or a sandwich of aluminum and gap-pads (or copper
disks!) The wouldn't be awful, just sandwich the metal with
double-sticky gap-pad stuff and scrunch the PCB on top.

There are AlN resistors that size that are rated for hundreds of
watts.


stick on of these in the pcb before soldering,

https://www.tindie.com/products/TEMProducts/power-smt-pcb-insert/

And there you are -- someone already makes them.

a more mass production way is inserting a similar copper in pcb coin
before plating the vias and trace to final thickness

https://www.oki.com/en/press/2015/05/z15009e_1.jpg

 

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

søndag den 4. august 2019 kl. 19.00.17 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:51:35 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 11:22:29 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

Above I posted this estimate from basic principles:

->| |<- .030"
o o o o o
o o o o vias = 0.02", 25um Cu plated, 0.062" FR-4
o o o o o
o o o o

I estimated the above via field at 5.5K/W unfilled, 3.2K/W when
solder-filled.

Updating my spreadsheet, it's 0.5K/W when copper-filled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This guy makes and swages in his own copper rivets from soft
copper wire:
https://paulwanamaker.wordpress.com/300-2/

It's pretty simple, actually, and might be handy for
a super-critical bleeding edge product.
.-- swaged surface is recessed, but contacts top trace.
/
/ copper trace
====.___/___.==== /
====|\ V /|===> > >> >> > | | | |
| | | | FR-4
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
====' '---' '===

Might that block solder?

From the via? Oh definitely. But is that a problem? I don't see
why.

He makes his rivets tight-fitting. That maximizes copper cross
section, which seems fine to me.

I could build a corral around the dpak by soldering in three ribbon
cable headers, the ones with two rows of square pins on 50 mil
centers. We already use them as jtags. They would fill the holes with
copper+solder and add a tiny bit of additional heat sinking up into
the air themselves.

It would look pleasingly bizarre.

I think I suggested something like that last time this issue
came up -- inserting a number of copper-leaded dummy parts. That
would really confuse people .

My other option is the thermistor shutdown circuit, which is simple.
I'm trying to protect a pulse generator 50 ohm output resistor in the
case that the customer programs a big voltage and then shorts the
load.

After going though all of this again, I think my preferred move next
time will be a single large via under the thermal tab, filled with a
matching copper plug. A 0.150" copper plug would be simple and could
move a lot of heat (theta = 0.7K/W). Or possibly 4 x 0.100" vias, etc.

#10 wire is 0.102" and #16 is 0.0508", which might be convenient. Or
possibly punch or cut rounds from flat sheet...it's certainly doable.

Amazon and Ebay sell a wide range of punched copper disks, intended
for jewelry use. Probably not pure copper, but pretty good. One of
those could drop into a round hole on a PCB. But then, where would the
heat go?

To the other side. I'm assuming a hairy use needing this level of heat
disposal has a heat sink on the other side. In my case, last time, we
spec'd a milled, finned, aluminum block. Worked great.

My board will be in a box, so a heat sink on the bottom would be short
and sitting in dead air. My best option might be to conduct the heat
from the bottom of the board to the bottom of the aluminum box,
through a gap-pad or a sandwich of aluminum and gap-pads (or copper
disks!) The wouldn't be awful, just sandwich the metal with
double-sticky gap-pad stuff and scrunch the PCB on top.

There are AlN resistors that size that are rated for hundreds of
watts.


stick on of these in the pcb before soldering,

https://www.tindie.com/products/TEMProducts/power-smt-pcb-insert/

And there you are -- someone already makes them.

Nice.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 1:00:17 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:51:35 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 11:22:29 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

Above I posted this estimate from basic principles:

->| |<- .030"
o o o o o
o o o o vias = 0.02", 25um Cu plated, 0.062" FR-4
o o o o o
o o o o

I estimated the above via field at 5.5K/W unfilled, 3.2K/W when
solder-filled.

Updating my spreadsheet, it's 0.5K/W when copper-filled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This guy makes and swages in his own copper rivets from soft
copper wire:
https://paulwanamaker.wordpress.com/300-2/

It's pretty simple, actually, and might be handy for
a super-critical bleeding edge product.
.-- swaged surface is recessed, but contacts top trace.
/
/ copper trace
====.___/___.==== /
====|\ V /|====
| | | |
| | | | FR-4
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
====' '---' '====


Might that block solder?

From the via? Oh definitely. But is that a problem? I don't see
why.

He makes his rivets tight-fitting. That maximizes copper cross
section, which seems fine to me.

I could build a corral around the dpak by soldering in three ribbon
cable headers, the ones with two rows of square pins on 50 mil
centers. We already use them as jtags. They would fill the holes with
copper+solder and add a tiny bit of additional heat sinking up into
the air themselves.

It would look pleasingly bizarre.

I think I suggested something like that last time this issue
came up -- inserting a number of copper-leaded dummy parts. That
would really confuse people .

My other option is the thermistor shutdown circuit, which is simple.
I'm trying to protect a pulse generator 50 ohm output resistor in the
case that the customer programs a big voltage and then shorts the
load.

After going though all of this again, I think my preferred move next
time will be a single large via under the thermal tab, filled with a
matching copper plug. A 0.150" copper plug would be simple and could
move a lot of heat (theta = 0.7K/W). Or possibly 4 x 0.100" vias, etc.

#10 wire is 0.102" and #16 is 0.0508", which might be convenient. Or
possibly punch or cut rounds from flat sheet...it's certainly doable.

Amazon and Ebay sell a wide range of punched copper disks, intended
for jewelry use. Probably not pure copper, but pretty good. One of
those could drop into a round hole on a PCB. But then, where would the
heat go?

To the other side. I'm assuming a hairy use needing this level of heat
disposal has a heat sink on the other side. In my case, last time, we
spec'd a milled, finned, aluminum block. Worked great.

My board will be in a box, so a heat sink on the bottom would be short
and sitting in dead air.

In my case the milled aluminum block was the case. I think they
anodized it for insulation, but I'm not sure -- it was a few
years ago.

My best option might be to conduct the heat
from the bottom of the board to the bottom of the aluminum box,
through a gap-pad or a sandwich of aluminum and gap-pads (or copper
disks!) The wouldn't be awful, just sandwich the metal with
double-sticky gap-pad stuff and scrunch the PCB on top.

There are AlN resistors that size that are rated for hundreds of
watts.

Hey, my pinky can handle 1kW too, just as long as it comes
with an ice water bath.

Grins,
James

 

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 12:55:23 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 12:00:24 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 06:57:37 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.
Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.
But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

George H.

Monotonically more government has to end badly.
The increasing debt won't help either.

Right. It took me a few decades to wrap my head around it,
but it amounts to this -- we've handed out $22 trillion
dollars in coupons for merchandise that doesn't exist. (A lot
more if you count Social Security and, especially, Medicare.)

So, necessarily, at some point we'll have a bunch of people
running around with coupons, but not able to cash them in on
all those goodies that never existed.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> wrote in news:5186f749-0f70-4595-
a92f-05d5b506b142@googlegroups.com:

> Here in NY I like the rye bread.

I too like the pumpernickel.

In Cincinnati and I guess NYC it is still around. In so many cities,
however, I have to pay premium prices for rye, when the flour is not
overtly more expensive.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 2:00:24 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 06:57:37 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for President eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the democratic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for President will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.
Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.
But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

Libertarian means minimum government, and the left works on the principle that government intevention can help (as ir clearly does in Scandinavia and norther Europe).

> Monotonically more government has to end badly.

But who is proposing that?

Sweden collects more of it's GDP in taxes (55%) than pretty much any other democracy, and it's society works rather better than most.

Places like Germany and the Netherlands don't collect as much (more like 45%) and provide a pretty good quality of life for everybody who lives there.

The US collects only 30% and has social problems which mostly come down to the less-well-off not being well looked after. The fact that the very-well-off in the US have enough political clout to rig things to suit them (like having the governement collect only 30% of the GDP in taxes) doesn't help.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

mandag den 5. august 2019 kl. 17.11.59 UTC+2 skrev George Herold:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 10:04:26 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 21:34:00 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:33:15 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.

Cheers,
James Arthur

But California is prettier and has better weather.

There are very pretty areas of NY (Finger Lakes, Adirondacks,...) but
the weather does suck. Both are off-the-charts nuts, though.

And better bread.

Don't know if I buy that one. I'm not much into bagels but the Italian
is quite good.

George H kindly sent us a book about food chemistry, "Salt, Fat, Acid,
Heat" which calls the Tartine sourdough loaf the best bread in the
world. Is's about a foot in diameter and weighs about three or four
pounds.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysgvmabevh1ieeb/Tartine_Sour.JPG?raw=1

Their morning buns are famous too.

Truckee Sourdough is wonderful. The starter was unplanned, whatever
drifted in from the forest.

Mo thinks we we could manage to nab a fresh-baked loaf, pack it in a
cold-pack box, and ship it to George overnight. She works a couple of
blocks from the bakery and could walk it over to my shipping
department.

George, wanna try that?
Grin. Thanks, but it's not necessary. Maybe someday I'll get to SF and you
can treat me to some food. (I'd rather spend my food money on oysters :^)

Here in NY I like the rye bread. Some of my favorite breads were the dark breads
I had in Germany... each town has their own bakery and flavor.

rye bread is pretty much required at lunch here, something like this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/b6/f4/19b6f4c6f0097ff9b4379deb8531f3be.jpg

liver paste on rye bread with pickled beetroot

if feeling fancy: https://www.judys-delikatesse.dk/CustomerData/Files/Images/Archive/7-sm%C3%B8rrebr%C3%B8d/smorrebrod_2_360.jpg

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 8:30:16 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.
Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.

grin

But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

On your recommendation, I've been meaning to give Joe Rogan a listen.

Letting people do what they want in life (freedom, as long as
they don't injure another person), and keep the fruit of their
labors, makes sense to me.

And when it's easy for people to start new things, when you don't
hold them back with boundless & arbitrary blockades, creativity
and innovation flower. Which produces a wealth of innovation &
prosperity for everyone (since these innovations are almost
always aimed at improving someone's life somehow). Just about
every American man-on-the-street I talk to has an idea for some
great invention.

Having a centralized power that directs things, takes one man's
labor and gives it to another man, is both unfair and ripe for
corruption. (A centralized system invites single-point failures,
like, "Oops, we elected a vegetarian with a scrawny mustache.
Now what?" Or, "Gee, I guess those collectivist farms weren't
such a good idea after all.") Those are horrible economically,
and repressive politically. No bueno.

What James Arthur fails to recognise - probably deliberately - is that democratic socialism doesn't go in for centralised control of the economy. Places like Scandinavia are happy to let the free market handle the allocation of capital.

The communists weren't, but that's totalitarian socialism, which is what got Karl Marx and the proto-communists thrown out of the international socialist movement in 1871. There were a bunch of predictions at the time about what might go wrong with that aproach, and Stalin and Mao demonstrated them to be correct.

James Arthur is resolutely blind to this.

At the moment, creativity and innovation seem to be doing rather better in
Europe than they are in America. Europe doesn't have as many venture capitalists as the US, but it does have rather more well-educated people with good ideas.

These are less likely to take their ideas to US venture capitalists than they used to be. It can involve living the US for some time, and that's a lot less atractive than it used to be.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 6:30:16 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 9:12:50 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:55:42 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
44abf246-d235-4f46-8197-c3b382ad031d@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 12:22:56 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I was reading today that in California now if you want to run for Precedent eeeh president you HAVE to show the taxes
over the last few years.

That won't stand. The Constitution sets the requirements for president,
and California is not allowed to change or add new requirements.

I dunno about all those 'merrican lawsuits,
but it was signed into law by the demoncratetic governor.
The previous governor did not want to sigh it.
it is all over the news:
https://www.smdp.com/california-governor-signs-bill-on-presidential-tax-returns/178060

Are you saying somebody running for Precedent will fight it in court?
California will then likely declare independence
Shortly after followed by Texas, and a few more states.

The previous governor, Jerry Brown, wouldn't sign it because he
(correctly) thought it unconstitutional. But Gavin Newsom went
ahead, so yes, it will certainly be litigated and overturned.

California's gone nuts, and New York, too.
Grin, to paraphrase our Prez, 'there are nuts on both sides'.

grin

But it does seem my state (NY) is going a bit crazy.
I tend to see more of a authoritarian/ libertarian divide than
right/ left. (The only political commentators that make any sense to
me are the libertarian right... there is no libertarian left to be
heard in the MSM.

On your recommendation, I've been meaning to give Joe Rogan a listen.

Oh, It's 3 hr's but the latest talk with Eric Weinstein is gem.
You could also listen to Eric talk with his boss, Peter Thiel...
TBH that is better than Joe Rogan, for the geeks among us.

Libertarian lefties, our bond with libertarians on the right
is we equally hate the authoritarians on both sides. What are these
people doing? For instance you can't have your cat declawed in NYS
anymore. (mind you I have cats, and would never think of declawing.)
But WTF is NYS doing by banning this? It's similar to abortion, where
both side are crazy, but of course much more serious.

Letting people do what they want in life (freedom, as long as
they don't injure another person), and keep the fruit of their
labors, makes sense to me.

And when it's easy for people to start new things, when you don't
hold them back with boundless & arbitrary blockades, creativity
and innovation flower. Which produces a wealth of innovation &
prosperity for everyone (since these innovations are almost
always aimed at improving someone's life somehow). Just about
every American man-on-the-street I talk to has an idea for some
great invention.

Having a centralized power that directs things, takes one man's
labor and gives it to another man, is both unfair and ripe for
corruption. (A centralized system invites single-point failures,
like, "Oops, we elected a vegetarian with a scrawny mustache.
Now what?" Or, "Gee, I guess those collectivist farms weren't
such a good idea after all.") Those are horrible economically,
and repressive politically. No bueno.

Well I'm a man who thinks there needs to be some regulations,
we can't have person X, fouling the water for everyone down stream.

(It's late and I'm way behind on my X-chapter reading.:^)

George H.

Cheers,
James Arthur