OT: UK \"price cap\"...

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 1:03:09 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 00:40:15 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 8/28/2022 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/28/2022 05:08 PM, Don Y wrote:
I think dead pool affects the Navajo nation and places like Vegas, most
-- at
least in terms of electricity generation.

Two of the plants at Four Corners were retrofitted and are operational but
Navajoland has deeper problems:

https://www.indiancountryextension.org/how-are-navajo-people-getting-electricity-now

Native Americans are essentially screwed, regardless.
They now have houses, farms, trucks, horses, guns, medicine,
universities, written language, internet, and no more tribal warfare.

Not many seem to be returning to their pre-Columbian lifestyles.

The fertile land which supported the pre-Columbian life-style is probably all being farmed by people of European descent.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 08/29/2022 01:40 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/28/2022 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:

Native Americans are essentially screwed, regardless.

It\'s puzzling ot see the money \"dropped\" in their casinos -- and
wonder where the profits are going?!

The Montana tribes don\'t have that problem although it\'s not for lack of
trying. Video gambling is legal and many of the \'gas stations\' are
casinos that sell gas on the side. Live poker is also legal. There is
little enticement in driving to an Indian run casino. I\'ve never been in
one and don\'t know if they have roulette, craps, and so forth.

The Crows build one just off I-90 at the turnoff to the Custer
Battlefield that was financed by an eastern tribe. I\'ve never seen many
cars parked there. The tourists walk around the battlefield, take
photos, and head for the bright lights of Billings.

And, the rez is so ... \"rural\" is an understatement! ... maybe
\"desolate\" would be a better adjective? You gotta wonder if they
have enough of \"the right people\" available proximate to the
facility -- along with outlying parts of the distribution network
(that would have to be supported).

I\'ve never explored the back roads but the run from Flag to Page or up
towards Monument Valley isn\'t very inspiring. Even the roadside stands
don\'t seem to be doing well. One of my memories of a road trip in \'52
was stopping at one of the stands. My mother bought some pottery and
took a photo. \'You take picture, you pay me!\'

If you dig into the \'traditional\' Navajo pottery designs, you\'ll find
white artists coming up with marketable items. You\'ll find the same at
the Hubbell Trading Post with Hubbell coaching the Navajos to refine
crude horse blankets into the famed Navajo rugs he could sell.


I think NV/Vegas has taken big steps to reduce their consumption.
Can\'t make the same claim about California. I.e., I wouldn\'t be
banking on \"senior water rights\" to save my ass if the gummit
gets involved! (they *may* let you keep your share but likely
will have a big voice in how you *use* it!)

I generally pass through LV rapidly but I doubt fountains are as popular
as they used to be. One thing I was curious about was discontinued long ago:

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/question/luxor-boat-ride/

Too bad. I\'m a sucker for the Cleopatra hairstyle and all those little
Cleopatras wandering around...
 
On 08/29/2022 09:03 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 00:40:15 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 8/28/2022 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/28/2022 05:08 PM, Don Y wrote:
I think dead pool affects the Navajo nation and places like Vegas, most
-- at
least in terms of electricity generation.

Two of the plants at Four Corners were retrofitted and are operational but
Navajoland has deeper problems:

https://www.indiancountryextension.org/how-are-navajo-people-getting-electricity-now

Native Americans are essentially screwed, regardless.

They now have houses, farms, trucks, horses, guns, medicine,
universities, written language, internet, and no more tribal warfare.

Not many seem to be returning to their pre-Columbian lifestyles.

They also have diabetes, alcohol, and drugs...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flathead_Nation,_Montana_-_bilingual_English-Salish_road_signs_1.jpg

Some of the elders might be able to read the road signs. A local
mountain, Squaw Peak, was renamed Ch-paa-qn. Supposedly it meant \'old
woman\' in Salish but the accepted translation has changed several times.
I think the current version is \'treeless mountain with no game\' or
something.

The tribal warfare is subdued. Blackfeet still don\'t like anybody.
 
On 08/29/2022 02:51 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 28/08/2022 15:58, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 10:04:58 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


The spineless and toothless UK regulator Offgem is as much use as a
chocolate fireguard.
[snip]

I would hope that you don\'t have anything like it. Although the Enron
scam failure suggests that you probably do in some fashion but that it
is geared to ensuring that suppliers can price gouge their customers.

Most states in the US have one or more regulated utilities, which
agree to supply power and gas for a guaranteed return on investment.
That has worked well for about a century, but politicians and greenies
are working hard to break it.

That sounds very socialist to me. Why aren\'t they allowed to obtain the
full market value for the product that they are selling?

During the big \'deregulation\' fad this state removed the regulations on
Montana Power. They immediately sold all their generating capacity to
out of state companies and reinvented themselves as an internet provider
-- just in time to go bankrupt in the dotcom bust.

Meanwhile the rates went up drastically. Several smelters and a pulp
mill that depended on cheap electricity went under. The rate increase
was so bad the pulp mill installed massive diesel generators to meet
their own needs.

There\'s a fine line between socialism and letting businesses do anything
they want. For example, how long did it take the banks to destroy
themselves when the Glass-Steagal controls were repealed?
 
On 8/29/2022 9:00 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/29/2022 01:40 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/28/2022 7:50 PM, rbowman wrote:

Native Americans are essentially screwed, regardless.

It\'s puzzling ot see the money \"dropped\" in their casinos -- and
wonder where the profits are going?!

The Montana tribes don\'t have that problem although it\'s not for lack of
trying. Video gambling is legal and many of the \'gas stations\' are casinos that
sell gas on the side. Live poker is also legal. There is little enticement in
driving to an Indian run casino. I\'ve never been in one and don\'t know if they
have roulette, craps, and so forth.

I\'d have to look into the constraints placed on video gaming, there, to be
able to comment on how likely it is \"profitable\". Gaming commissions regulate
how much of each dollar the gambler is expected to lose (expected value of
wager). And, it costs a fair bit to service remotely sited machines (which
have to be secured, etc.)

Obtrivia: in some jurisdictions, a video poker machine may actually behave
like (and be regulated as) a slot machine. (i.e., you\'re not really playing
under the rules/\"odds\" of poker)

The local casinos seem to be just that -- casinos. Though on a much smaller
scale than Foxwoods/Mohegan Sun. I think the bigger draw is cheap(er) tobacco,
more than anything ($120/carton?). Of course, no one in their right mind plays
anything other than craps, blackjack or poker.

I found them to be pretty much a joke; none of the trademark characteristics
of \"real\" casinos (more like strip malls that had been repurposed)

The Crows build one just off I-90 at the turnoff to the Custer Battlefield that
was financed by an eastern tribe. I\'ve never seen many cars parked there. The
tourists walk around the battlefield, take photos, and head for the bright
lights of Billings.

I\'ve never understood the appeal of gaming (though I\'ve designed a few games).
If you watch folks engaged in it, they don\'t seem particularly *happy*.
Watch a guy hit a jackpot and he looks *relieved* (\"Thank GOD I\'ve cut some
of my LOSSES...\")

<shrug> But, I\'ve never understood drinking or most other vices...

And, the rez is so ... \"rural\" is an understatement! ... maybe
\"desolate\" would be a better adjective? You gotta wonder if they
have enough of \"the right people\" available proximate to the
facility -- along with outlying parts of the distribution network
(that would have to be supported).

I\'ve never explored the back roads but the run from Flag to Page or up towards
Monument Valley isn\'t very inspiring. Even the roadside stands don\'t seem to be
doing well. One of my memories of a road trip in \'52 was stopping at one of the
stands. My mother bought some pottery and took a photo. \'You take picture, you
pay me!\'

SWMBO used to do a two week stink in Manti each year. Getting there required
driving through the rez. I always worried she\'d find herself stranded with
no cell phone service on the side of the road...

If you dig into the \'traditional\' Navajo pottery designs, you\'ll find white
artists coming up with marketable items. You\'ll find the same at the Hubbell
Trading Post with Hubbell coaching the Navajos to refine crude horse blankets
into the famed Navajo rugs he could sell.

Had a cousin who lived/worked on rez in/near Gallup. Brought us a small
rug woven by natives. \"Great! What the hell am I supposed to do with THIS?\"

I think NV/Vegas has taken big steps to reduce their consumption.
Can\'t make the same claim about California. I.e., I wouldn\'t be
banking on \"senior water rights\" to save my ass if the gummit
gets involved! (they *may* let you keep your share but likely
will have a big voice in how you *use* it!)

I generally pass through LV rapidly but I doubt fountains are as popular as
they used to be. One thing I was curious about was discontinued long ago:

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/question/luxor-boat-ride/

Too bad. I\'m a sucker for the Cleopatra hairstyle and all those little
Cleopatras wandering around...

Boat ride... little people... weird hairstyle... Oompa-loompas?
 
On 08/29/2022 01:13 PM, Don Y wrote:
I\'ve never understood the appeal of gaming (though I\'ve designed a few
games).
If you watch folks engaged in it, they don\'t seem particularly *happy*.
Watch a guy hit a jackpot and he looks *relieved* (\"Thank GOD I\'ve cut some
of my LOSSES...\")

When I was driving I often delivered carpet to terminals in LV or
Sparks. One evening in Sparks I was sitting in the truck reading and it
got a bit chilly. There was a casino a couple of blocks down and I
thought they might have a band. They didn\'t, so the last of the big
spenders I got a roll of nickles and sat down at a video poker machine.
Towards the end I was betting recklessly so I could get out of the place
without a pocket full of nickles.

Harold\'s Club in Reno had an excellent firearms collection that has
since been dispersed. Other than that the chief attraction for me was
the buffets. Luxor was interesting when it opened. They had a primitive
VR experienced that was written up in Wired.
 
On 8/29/2022 6:05 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/29/2022 01:13 PM, Don Y wrote:
I\'ve never understood the appeal of gaming (though I\'ve designed a few
games).
If you watch folks engaged in it, they don\'t seem particularly *happy*.
Watch a guy hit a jackpot and he looks *relieved* (\"Thank GOD I\'ve cut some
of my LOSSES...\")

When I was driving I often delivered carpet to terminals in LV or Sparks. One
evening in Sparks I was sitting in the truck reading and it got a bit chilly.
There was a casino a couple of blocks down and I thought they might have a
band. They didn\'t, so the last of the big spenders I got a roll of nickles and
sat down at a video poker machine. Towards the end I was betting recklessly so
I could get out of the place without a pocket full of nickles.

My other half and I spent a few days in Reno. Ahead of time, we decided
we would LOSE $50 gambling.

After half an hour, we found one of the \"drink girls\" who was distributing
drinks to players and put our *winnings* on her tray.

\"Let\'s go do something INTERESTING...\"

I enjoyed the theatrical productions -- from a technical perspective
(having been active in theater in school). And the food was OK.
But the rest of the experience was just a waste of time!

Harold\'s Club in Reno had an excellent firearms collection that has since been
dispersed. Other than that the chief attraction for me was the buffets. Luxor
was interesting when it opened. They had a primitive VR experienced that was
written up in Wired.

Harrah\'s?

They had a car collection outside of Reno (~1980) that was pretty interesting.

But, as with most museums, if it isn\'t going to teach me something
(important), then it\'s just like thumbing through a coffee table book
(\"Gee, look at all the nice pictures...\")

[I always think of a demo at Museum of Science & Industry (IIRC) that
had two clear, plastic tubes with a \"squeeze bulb\" at one end, full of
red liquid. One tube was held straight while the other draped over
supports to form catenaries. A mechanical arm then squeezed both
bulbs simultaneously. Interesting demo!]
 
On 08/29/2022 07:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
Harold\'s Club in Reno had an excellent firearms collection that has
since been dispersed. Other than that the chief attraction for me was
the buffets. Luxor was interesting when it opened. They had a
primitive VR experienced that was written up in Wired.

Harrah\'s?

I was never in a Harrah\'s casino but I\'ve been to the National
Automobile Museum a couple of times. That houses what\'s left of his car
collection.
 
On 8/29/2022 7:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/29/2022 07:35 PM, Don Y wrote:

Harold\'s Club in Reno had an excellent firearms collection that has
since been dispersed. Other than that the chief attraction for me was
the buffets. Luxor was interesting when it opened. They had a
primitive VR experienced that was written up in Wired.

Harrah\'s?

I was never in a Harrah\'s casino but I\'ve been to the National Automobile
Museum a couple of times. That houses what\'s left of his car collection.

This wasn\'t in a casino. It was somewhere near Reno (if not *in* Reno)
or Carson City area. It was just a giant \"warehouse\" with cars packed
inside. (imagine a Costco with nothing but cars inside)
 
On 08/29/2022 09:06 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/29/2022 7:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/29/2022 07:35 PM, Don Y wrote:

Harold\'s Club in Reno had an excellent firearms collection that has
since been dispersed. Other than that the chief attraction for me was
the buffets. Luxor was interesting when it opened. They had a
primitive VR experienced that was written up in Wired.

Harrah\'s?

I was never in a Harrah\'s casino but I\'ve been to the National
Automobile Museum a couple of times. That houses what\'s left of his
car collection.

This wasn\'t in a casino. It was somewhere near Reno (if not *in* Reno)
or Carson City area. It was just a giant \"warehouse\" with cars packed
inside. (imagine a Costco with nothing but cars inside)

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/hagerty-insider/harrahs-oral-history-classic-car-sale-part-i/

That is the first half of the story. Harrah died in \'78. Holiday Inn
bought Harrah\'s Casinos in \'80 and started selling off the cars to
recoup the price. Holiday Inn donated 175 cars that became the National
Automobile Museum.

I was in the east coast in the \'70s. I\'d been to Vegas but didn\'t get to
Reno until the \'90s.

That tends to happen to collections:

https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/famous-ford-collector-edward-towe-97-dies

https://discoveringmontana.com/museums/auto-museum/

The Towe collection mostly wound up in California. The Montana Auto
Museum is in the same complex but is more eclectic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamtown,_U.S.A.

Steamtown is another one that got dispersed after the founder died. I\'ve
never been to the one in Scranton, just Bellows Falls.
 
On 8/29/2022 10:33 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/29/2022 09:06 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/29/2022 7:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/29/2022 07:35 PM, Don Y wrote:

Harold\'s Club in Reno had an excellent firearms collection that has
since been dispersed. Other than that the chief attraction for me was
the buffets. Luxor was interesting when it opened. They had a
primitive VR experienced that was written up in Wired.

Harrah\'s?

I was never in a Harrah\'s casino but I\'ve been to the National
Automobile Museum a couple of times. That houses what\'s left of his
car collection.

This wasn\'t in a casino. It was somewhere near Reno (if not *in* Reno)
or Carson City area. It was just a giant \"warehouse\" with cars packed
inside. (imagine a Costco with nothing but cars inside)

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/hagerty-insider/harrahs-oral-history-classic-car-sale-part-i/

That is the first half of the story. Harrah died in \'78. Holiday Inn bought
Harrah\'s Casinos in \'80 and started selling off the cars to recoup the price.
Holiday Inn donated 175 cars that became the National Automobile Museum.

I think we were there *in* 1980. But, other than \"really old cars\" -- \"and
lots of them!\", nothing memorable.

I was in the east coast in the \'70s. I\'d been to Vegas but didn\'t get to Reno
until the \'90s.

That tends to happen to collections:

https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/famous-ford-collector-edward-towe-97-dies

https://discoveringmontana.com/museums/auto-museum/

The Towe collection mostly wound up in California. The Montana Auto Museum is
in the same complex but is more eclectic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steamtown,_U.S.A.

Steamtown is another one that got dispersed after the founder died. I\'ve never
been to the one in Scranton, just Bellows Falls.

I can\'t understand the \"collector\" mentality. Especially items that *should*
be usable. I\'ve had all sorts of \"collectible\" computers (AXP, IMSAI, Compaq
Portable, Portable 386, Kaypro, Voyager, etc.) and have no problem ridding
myself of them when their usefullness is *surpassed* by a more recent
\"acquisition\".

[I keep a Portable 386 solely because it is a small (2 slot) *ISA* machine
AND gives me a 5\" floppy drive in the odd chance that I have need of it
(I also have an 8\" drive and a few 3\" for the Unisite)]

Having something just to *say* you have it seems absurd. I\'ve friends
with insanely expensive cars -- with 3 digits on the odometer! (why
own a car if you\'re not going to DRIVE it?). A friend is looking at
a McLaren this week. If he buys, it will sit in an air-conditioned
garage 99.873% of the time. The remaining time, it will be riding
on a flatbed to and from car shows -- where he will fret over anyone
LEANING on it! <rolls eyes>

\"Christ, is your willy THAT small that you need to overcompensate thusly??\"
 
On 08/30/2022 02:30 AM, Don Y wrote:
I can\'t understand the \"collector\" mentality. Especially items that
*should*
be usable. I\'ve had all sorts of \"collectible\" computers (AXP, IMSAI,
Compaq
Portable, Portable 386, Kaypro, Voyager, etc.) and have no problem ridding
myself of them when their usefullness is *surpassed* by a more recent
\"acquisition\".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto

I\'ve hung on to that one. I was shopping for a laptop and went to a
store where I knew the woman. She led me to the back room and said \'this
just came in\'. I bought it immediately and got quite a bit of use out of
it, eventually upgrading it to 3.11 from the MSDN disk.

I think Compaq dropped it in less than a year. 1993 and so damn close.
 
On 8/30/2022 8:36 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/30/2022 02:30 AM, Don Y wrote:
I can\'t understand the \"collector\" mentality. Especially items that
*should*
be usable. I\'ve had all sorts of \"collectible\" computers (AXP, IMSAI,
Compaq
Portable, Portable 386, Kaypro, Voyager, etc.) and have no problem ridding
myself of them when their usefullness is *surpassed* by a more recent
\"acquisition\".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto

I\'ve hung on to that one. I was shopping for a laptop and went to a store where
I knew the woman. She led me to the back room and said \'this just came in\'. I
bought it immediately and got quite a bit of use out of it, eventually
upgrading it to 3.11 from the MSDN disk.

I think Compaq dropped it in less than a year. 1993 and so damn close.

I have never been fond of laptops -- small screens, small keyboards
and a PITA to maintain (hardware-wise). I have two \"small screen\"
machines that I\'ve kept -- mainly for backward support (old hardware
and/or software/apps).

I have a SPARCstation Voyager:
<https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6032/6319660621_c3389c4d61_b.jpg>
to support my older SPARC tools as it\'s almost the smallest SPARC I
could find (at one point, I had a SPARC laptop but foolishly got rid
of it).

Also a dual 1GHz SB2000 for newer releases (that\'s where I do much of
my portability testing; SPARC is considerably different from x86 -- which
differs from ARM!). But, at ~70 pounds, that\'s a far cry from small!
It\'s got a pair of UPAs but I run it headless via a Windows-hosted X server:
<https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2419/2316858251_c5a1d28461.jpg>)
it\'s also got a Chimera II which makes for some really interesting
user environments (e.g., working in a DOS/Windows *window* on a **SPARC**
machine under CDE in an X Windows session served by another x86)

And a Compaq Portable 386 for old ISA hardware:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Portable_386>
It is, of course, a 386 -- the minimum of the x86\'s in terms of
hardware support for advanced OSs (anything less capable is a
waste of silicon!). But, is reasonably small (including keyboard and
display) *and* has support for a \"bag\" that supports two full length
ISA slots:
<https://oldcomputers.net/pics/compaqiii-back.jpg>
[photo is of a portable III but the packaging is the same]

So, I can run ISA hardware \"add-ons\" without having to keep
a full-size desktop (or \"luggage\") around.

As it has no built-in NIC -- and, I don\'t want to sacrifice one
of those two precious slots to add networking capability -- I
use a parallel port NIC adapter to move stuff to/fro. It\'s
slow but the alternative would have been a serial-port protocol.

I patched the BIOS EPROMs to get it to recognize a 600MB winny
(or maybe it\'s 300MB?) which, for that sort of machine, is
considerably more than it would ever need. Amusing to see how
*slow* it is -- by today\'s standards! (OTOH, I can run
DOS/Brief without watching screens flash by)
 
On 08/30/2022 03:16 PM, Don Y wrote:
I have never been fond of laptops -- small screens, small keyboards
and a PITA to maintain (hardware-wise). I have two \"small screen\"
machines that I\'ve kept -- mainly for backward support (old hardware
and/or software/apps).

I\'m not fond of them but when you\'re mobile and/or powering it from a
small PV panel a tower with a 25\" 4HD monitor doesn\'t cut it.
 
On 8/30/2022 4:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/30/2022 03:16 PM, Don Y wrote:
I have never been fond of laptops -- small screens, small keyboards
and a PITA to maintain (hardware-wise). I have two \"small screen\"
machines that I\'ve kept -- mainly for backward support (old hardware
and/or software/apps).

I\'m not fond of them but when you\'re mobile and/or powering it from a small PV
panel a tower with a 25\" 4HD monitor doesn\'t cut it.

I try not to do any \"work\" when away from home. When traveling, I
carry a small laptop that doesn\'t even have an optical drive!
It only supports an NNTP/SMTP client, browser, X server & PDF reader.
So, I can \"stay connected\" -- to the WWW, email and my home servers.

(If I need to do something else, I start a remote session on one of
the servers and just process the UI locally)

It\'s also nice because I wouldn\'t fret if I misplaced it or left it
somewhere -- <shrug>

I am becoming increasingly accustomed to lots of display real estate.
My *small* workstations each run a pair of 30\'s. I was looking at three
42\'s for the CAD/EDA workstations but think the monitors would be too tall
AND too wide to use, comfortably. I want to keep them at \"reading distance\"
(with tiny typefaces!) and not have to run my neck right/left/up/down
just to take in everything!

I primarily use laptops for software that I don\'t want to install on a
workstation but need to run, occasionally. Or, for ecommerce applications
(where the role of the laptop is rigidly controlled and its \"exposure\"
severely limited -- along with its vulnerability!)

E.g., the little programmable logitech wireless dongles for keyboards
and mice need a utility to \"pair\" them with the desired peripherals.
Or, to fetch an update for an iPad/iPhone (I have no desire to install
iTunes on a REAL computer) and don\'t want my workstations to be
exposed to the nasties of the \'net!

That sort of crud is just clutter on a workstation -- and, used so
infrequently that the \"cost\" of dragging out a laptop to do it is
minimal.
 
On 08/30/2022 06:33 PM, Don Y wrote:
I try not to do any \"work\" when away from home. When traveling, I
carry a small laptop that doesn\'t even have an optical drive!
It only supports an NNTP/SMTP client, browser, X server & PDF reader.
So, I can \"stay connected\" -- to the WWW, email and my home servers.

The only laptop I have with an optical drive is an old XP. I do have a
USB optical drive to use in a pinch. I saw Lanie Lou and the Birddogs
Friday and she mentioned they had CDs for sale at the merch tent -- not
that she expected anybody to have any way to play them.

I have a company Dell that I used to work when I was in the rehab
facility. At home I have it connected to a HDMI switch to a 1080p
monitor and use a LogiTech Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Both are
multi-device so I use the keyboard with the Linux box. I had trouble
with the mouse with the Linux box so went to a wired mouse.

I\'m slowing down with age but I tend to be mobile. Home is where I am.
 
On 8/30/2022 8:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/30/2022 06:33 PM, Don Y wrote:
I try not to do any \"work\" when away from home. When traveling, I
carry a small laptop that doesn\'t even have an optical drive!
It only supports an NNTP/SMTP client, browser, X server & PDF reader.
So, I can \"stay connected\" -- to the WWW, email and my home servers.

The only laptop I have with an optical drive is an old XP.

Most of my laptops have optical drives -- those 1/2\" tall things.
I have a couple of netbooks that don\'t. Plus, this one \"small\"
laptop that I carry when traveling.

> I do have a USB optical drive to use in a pinch.

I put half-height DVD writers in external USB enclosures for
the machines that MAY need an optical drive (e.g., to install
the OS on the netbooks; I have several \"appliances\" that
don\'t have optical drives so I similarly tack one on when
I need to install an OS there)

I saw Lanie Lou and the Birddogs Friday and
she mentioned they had CDs for sale at the merch tent -- not that she expected
anybody to have any way to play them.

Don\'t cars still have CD drives?

I have a company Dell that I used to work when I was in the rehab facility. At
home I have it connected to a HDMI switch to a 1080p monitor and use a LogiTech
Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Both are multi-device so I use the keyboard with
the Linux box. I had trouble with the mouse with the Linux box so went to a
wired mouse.

I discarded all of my KVM switches as they were just more clutter.
Instead, I have a wired keyboard/mouse on each workstation and rely
on the \"input select\" controls on the monitors to show me the video
from \"machine A\" or \"machine B\" (so, I can put 4 monitors on a
workstation and not need 4 *more* on the next workstation!)

[This also leads to some interesting usage patterns as you can switch
monitors 1 & 2 to one workstation while 3 & 4 remain with the other.
Then, you just have to figure out which KEYBOARD will deposit letters
on the screen you are looking at! :> ]

I tend to use wireless keyboards for appliances; where the keyboard
isn\'t expected to see any use (except when something doesn\'t boot
properly). With a wireless keyboard, I can just stuff it in a drawer
and not worry about a cord hanging out!

> I\'m slowing down with age but I tend to be mobile. Home is where I am.

I tend to need too much hardware (i.e., prototypes) and access to
test equipment, logic analyzers, etc. to do much of my work. Hard
to test a scene analysis algorithm without access to a video
stream that you can easily manipulate (e.g., wave your hand in
front of the camera and see how it reacts with the Ir illuminators
on vs. off). Or, debug a PSTN interface without having access to
a POTS line.

When I travel to off-sites (a periodic get-together with colleagues),
I try to arrange for my demos to NOT require any special hardware
in my possession; interact with it remotely (leave it set up at
home and just connect to it for demos). E.g., have one of my colleagues
phone my home and interact with my \"voice attendant\" while I can
show him/them what\'s happening inside the appliance via a remote
debugging session.

My standard test bed is a set of four SBC\'s on a dedicated switch
(so the traffic is deterministic). This lets me move services around
and simulate outages, etc. Packing them up for a road trip would be
a royal PITA (I like to travel light -- hence the tiny laptop)

I just shake my head when I talk with \"dual residence\" friends;
\"How the hell do you know where X is, at any given time? You
don\'t find it *here* so assume it must be *there*. Then, when
you\'re next *there*, can\'t find it and wonder if it wasn\'t at
*here*, all along??!\"

[While I might not know where X happens to be, presently, I *do*
know that it is *here* -- or, I\'ve discarded it! :< ]
 
onsdag den 31. august 2022 kl. 02.34.03 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 8/30/2022 4:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/30/2022 03:16 PM, Don Y wrote:
I have never been fond of laptops -- small screens, small keyboards
and a PITA to maintain (hardware-wise). I have two \"small screen\"
machines that I\'ve kept -- mainly for backward support (old hardware
and/or software/apps).

I\'m not fond of them but when you\'re mobile and/or powering it from a small PV
panel a tower with a 25\" 4HD monitor doesn\'t cut it.
I try not to do any \"work\" when away from home. When traveling, I
carry a small laptop that doesn\'t even have an optical drive!

most likely place to find a laptop with an optical drive is the recycling bin or a maybe a museum
 
On 2022-08-31 09:22, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 31. august 2022 kl. 02.34.03 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 8/30/2022 4:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/30/2022 03:16 PM, Don Y wrote:
I have never been fond of laptops -- small screens, small keyboards
and a PITA to maintain (hardware-wise). I have two \"small screen\"
machines that I\'ve kept -- mainly for backward support (old hardware
and/or software/apps).

I\'m not fond of them but when you\'re mobile and/or powering it from a small PV
panel a tower with a 25\" 4HD monitor doesn\'t cut it.
I try not to do any \"work\" when away from home. When traveling, I
carry a small laptop that doesn\'t even have an optical drive!

most likely place to find a laptop with an optical drive is the recycling bin or a maybe a museum

When will we stop throwing away so much perfectly working hardware?
Sustainability? Sheesh!

Jeroen Belleman
 
On 8/31/2022 12:22 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
onsdag den 31. august 2022 kl. 02.34.03 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 8/30/2022 4:58 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/30/2022 03:16 PM, Don Y wrote:
I have never been fond of laptops -- small screens, small keyboards
and a PITA to maintain (hardware-wise). I have two \"small screen\"
machines that I\'ve kept -- mainly for backward support (old hardware
and/or software/apps).

I\'m not fond of them but when you\'re mobile and/or powering it from a small PV
panel a tower with a 25\" 4HD monitor doesn\'t cut it.
I try not to do any \"work\" when away from home. When traveling, I
carry a small laptop that doesn\'t even have an optical drive!

most likely place to find a laptop with an optical drive is the recycling bin or a maybe a museum

The \"laptop without an optical drive\" *predates* laptops
with optical drives. It has an *external* optical drive
(CD only as DVD didn\'t yet see mainstream use) that
connects to the laptop via a hardwired PCMCIA card.

The serial and parallel ports are supported on an optional
\"dock\", of sorts (again, not taken with me on trips as I
value the saved space more than the lost serial/parallel
ports -- or optical drive!).

IIRC, it\'s a 700MHz <mumble> processor. More than sufficient
to run an X server, SMTP client, browser, etc. albeit not
speedily. And, the 12? inch screen is really only suited to
a single app having the focus. (yet another thing one
can trade away when traveling!)

I believe the positioning of the laptop was deliberately
that of a physically *small* device -- if you don\'t need
serial ports, parallel ports, optical drives, etc. then
why *carry* them around with you? I think this is the
philosophy behind the netbooks (tiny screens, tiny keyboards,
no numeric keypad, no optical drive/floppy, no spinning rust,
etc.)

My other laptops are i5\'s and i7\'s -- more \"discards\" from
businesses eager to complete yet-another 18 month upgrade
cycle (though I do have a boat-anchor laptop that even has a
floppy!). Yet each of them also have optical drives. And
17\" screens, etc. Clearly not positioned the same way
as the \"small laptop\"!
 

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