OT: Trump's Visit

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 1:32:00 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2019 14:28:24 +0100, TTman wrote:

Yes, he told her to build a wall across the Channel and make the EU pay
for it.

You jest I'm sure, but I'd vote for that and so would a great many others..

The more gullibe part of the crew of gullible half-wits who beleived the lies spread by Nigel Farage and the like, and voted to leave the EU. Not a majority - many of them have learned enough about the issue since the Brexit vote to realise that they were lied to.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 12:43:38 AM UTC+10, mako...@yahoo.com wrote:

if the EU bureaucracy is so complicated that no one can figure out how one member would leave it,

then maybe that is an indication that it should be left.

There's nothing complicated or bureaucratic about the UK leaving - the problem is finding a way of lettng the UK politicians say that they've left without actually wrecking the UK economy.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 3:09:44 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2019 17:26:16 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com
wrote:

On 27/05/2019 17:07, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 May 2019 01:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.

He told her exactly how to deal with the EU. A world class negotiator and
deal-maker gave her free, priceless advice and the stupid cow completely
ignored it. She thought she knew better! Unbelievable self-delusion.

I do hope he takes a moment out just to say "Sorry, Theresa, but I told
you so." Oh how I'd love to see her face if that were to happen (and I
pray to god it will).

Exactly. People wanted Brexit and she couldn't manage it.

Interesting things are happening in Austria, France, Italy, and
Australia too.


Only 17 million out of 65 million wanted it. The sensible people didn't
want it but probably didn't vote because they believed there was no
chance for the leavers. There's more hill billeys in the UK than in the
US me thinks...

Then it follows that elections should be decided by what is "sensible"
rather than what the majority vote for. Better disenfranchise
hillbillies to make sure.

It's more a question of fact-checking the irresponsible liars while the election campaign is going on.

> How would we determine who is a hillbilly? A wine tasting exam?

Having some grasp of the issues being voted about would seem to get you out of the hillbilly category. Excluding gullible idiots from voting isn't really a practical proposition.

Personally, I think it will end up with a re vote.Neither side knew what
they were voting for in the first place. Now we sort of know. There's
known knowns and known unknowns.... sound familiar to you guys over
there ???

I don't see the big deal. Lots of countries get along fine without
being members of the EU.

The EU is the UK's majour trading partner. It might eventually be able to find enough stuff to sell to the rest of the world to get back to being an advanced industrial country, but that would take some time, and the national income would plummet in the meantime

The only hazard to the UK is revenge from
eurocrats. The UK wisely has its own currency already.

And it is worth a lot less since the Brexit vote.

Maybe the UK and France and Italy can leave together and set up the NU
or something. Free trade but separate currencies. Let the US in too.

The original point of the EU was to get Germany to finance the transition in French agriculture from labour intensive small-holdings to larger and much more mechanised farms.

UK agriculture did very well out of the subsidies involved when the UK finally joined the EU.

The French aren't going to leave the EU, nor Italy either, and they certanly wouldn't want to swap the UK for Germany which exports roughly as much as the US with a quarter of the population.

The US wouldn't be an attractive partner either - it's political and social arrangements are decidedly wobbly.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 2:07:36 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2019 01:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.

He told her exactly how to deal with the EU. A world class negotiator and
deal-maker gave her free, priceless advice and the stupid cow completely
ignored it. She thought she knew better! Unbelievable self-delusion.

I do hope he takes a moment out just to say "Sorry, Theresa, but I told
you so." Oh how I'd love to see her face if that were to happen (and I
pray to god it will).

Exactly. People wanted Brexit and she couldn't manage it.

Not on any terms that the UK Parliament would accept.

A "no deal Brexit" would wreck the British economy even worse.

Interesting things are happening in Austria, France, Italy, and
Australia too.

Nothing quite that fatuously stupid.

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[Tom Gardner]

On 30/05/19 14:35, Bill Sloman wrote:

Boris Johnson does seem to be silly enough to believe that he can square the
circle, which is probably a more serious case of self-delusion.

If he gets to replace May it would be fun to see him go down in flames, but
the dire consequences for our friends in the UK make it a situation better
avoided.

We're trying to avoid BoJo winning.
"Brexit: Boris Johnson ordered to appear in court over ÂŁ350m claim
The Tory leadership candidate has been accused of misconduct
in public office after making the claim during the 2016 EU
referendum campaign. It is a private prosecution launched
by campaigner Marcus Ball, who crowdfunded ÂŁ200,000 for
the case."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48445430

However, as usual NewsThump makes pointed observations:
https://newsthump.com/2019/05/30/boris-will-never-win-now-insist-people-who-thought-pussy-grabbing-comments-would-be-the-end-of-donald-trump/

 

[Mike Perkins]

On 27/05/2019 17:26, TTman wrote:

On 27/05/2019 17:07, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 May 2019 01:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.

He told her exactly how to deal with the EU. A world class negotiator
and
deal-maker gave her free, priceless advice and the stupid cow completely
ignored it. She thought she knew better! Unbelievable self-delusion.

I do hope he takes a moment out just to say "Sorry, Theresa, but I told
you so." Oh how I'd love to see her face if that were to happen (and I
pray to god it will).

Exactly. People wanted Brexit and she couldn't manage it.

Interesting things are happening in Austria, France, Italy, and
Australia too.


Only 17 million out of 65 million wanted it.

And less than 17 million out of 65 million wanted to stay in.


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[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 8:24:25 PM UTC+2, Mike Perkins wrote:

On 27/05/2019 17:26, TTman wrote:
On 27/05/2019 17:07, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 May 2019 01:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.

He told her exactly how to deal with the EU. A world class negotiator
and
deal-maker gave her free, priceless advice and the stupid cow completely
ignored it. She thought she knew better! Unbelievable self-delusion.

I do hope he takes a moment out just to say "Sorry, Theresa, but I told
you so." Oh how I'd love to see her face if that were to happen (and I
pray to god it will).

Exactly. People wanted Brexit and she couldn't manage it.

Interesting things are happening in Austria, France, Italy, and
Australia too.


Only 17 million out of 65 million wanted it.

And less than 17 million out of 65 million wanted to stay in.

The result reports the votes of those who voted. More could have voted. The total number who voted was 33,577,342 out of the 46,500,001 who could have voted.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum>

Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage lied extravagantly in making the Leave case. This was fairly obvious at the time, and some people might not have taken the vote seriously in consequence.

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[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 09:07:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

> Exactly. People wanted Brexit and she couldn't manage it.

She *could* have managed it. It was within her capabilities, but she
threw it away on purpose, we believe. As is so often the case, she became
compromised by foreign agents who cannot accept the potential break-up of
the bloc.

Interesting things are happening in Austria, France, Italy, and
Australia too.

Well, the Nationalists in France have had an excellent showing in the
euro elections; likewise the so-called "far right" party in Italy. Not
sure about the others, though. The Germans disappointed but I'm not sure
why.



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[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 29 May 2019 18:56:18 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

> Giving GB even more time to make up their mind was a bad thing to do.

I agree with you there. But the fact that the Brexit Party (formed only 7
weeks ago!) is *already* the largest single party in the European
Parliament should tell everyone that regardless of what the politicians
are doing, the overwhelming majority of British voters still want OUT of
Europe and are getting increasingly pissed off with the total lack of
progress.




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[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 29 May 2019 08:04:23 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I've been trying to navigate the CE-mark rules. It's an incredible
nightmare. Each specs starts with pages and pages of bureaucratic
nonsense, and the technical content is impossible to find. [1] Every
$400 document references a bunch of other $400 documents.

Those parasites have to do something - *anything* - to stay in post and
justify their immense salaries. This mountain of red tape is strangling
growth in Europe.




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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 29 May 2019 18:56:18 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:

Am 29.05.19 um 16:43 schrieb makolber@yahoo.com:
if the EU bureaucracy is so complicated that no one can figure out how one member would leave it,

then maybe that is an indication that it should be left.

Oh, that's easy. You declare that you want out, and 24 months later
you are out. About as out as Laos or Ivory Coast. But you must say so.

The problem is when you want to be out, but keep the advantages as if
you were in.

What advantages? Lots of successful countries are not in the EU.


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[Gerhard Hoffmann]

Am 01.06.19 um 02:09 schrieb Cursitor Doom:

On Wed, 29 May 2019 18:56:18 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Giving GB even more time to make up their mind was a bad thing to do.

I agree with you there. But the fact that the Brexit Party (formed only 7
weeks ago!) is *already* the largest single party in the European
Parliament should tell everyone that regardless of what the politicians
are doing, the overwhelming majority of British voters still want OUT of
Europe and are getting increasingly pissed off with the total lack of
progress.

The parties that definitely want to stay in have 3% more than the Brexit
party. Not that _WE_ wanted GB to stay in; they have always been
cherry picking and an obstacle for improvements. They have not yet
recognized that they can no longer send some cannon boats to China
to make the emperor accept opium as a currency.

GB is now a de-industrialized island in the North Sea. BMW declared to
pre-pone the annual company holiday month from summer to the expected
trouble time span; you can assume that they feel f+cked by the second
time shift (and the first, too).

Would you like to be their production manager?
I would not be surprised if they moved the Mini Cooper production to
Bratislava or such. It's cheaper and more predictable.
Mazda is de facto gone already.

And the Brexit party's victory (if you can call it that @ -3%) is pretty
sure the last one. Can you imagine a scenario after autumn where
they play any role? Maybe they make endless parties from the 350 million
pounds a week if they can find them. They could hire Berlusconi to set
up the Bunga-Bunga; he has the right pedigree.

Oh, the English blond squirrel is facing court for lying to the voter
WRT the 350E6/wk. They held it up really only to the morning after the
voting.

regards,
Gerhard

(who feels kinda sorry for his motorcycle buddies from GB he meets at
least one or two weeks every year)

 

On Mon, 27 May 2019 09:07:24 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2019 01:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.

He told her exactly how to deal with the EU. A world class negotiator and
deal-maker gave her free, priceless advice and the stupid cow completely
ignored it. She thought she knew better! Unbelievable self-delusion.

I do hope he takes a moment out just to say "Sorry, Theresa, but I told
you so." Oh how I'd love to see her face if that were to happen (and I
pray to god it will).

Exactly. People wanted Brexit and she couldn't manage it.

She didn't *want* to do it. She doesn't care what the people want.
The establishment always knows what's good for the people more than
they do, themselves.

Interesting things are happening in Austria, France, Italy, and
Australia too.

The people are figuring out that the established governments aren't
working for them, as promised.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 27/05/2019 11:02 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.

I rarely feel sorry for the Queen, but having to put up with a visit
from Trump without throwing up (which would be a very unregal thing to
do), must be quite difficult.

Sylvia.

 

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 9:45:12 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 27/05/2019 11:02 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.


I rarely feel sorry for the Queen, but having to put up with a visit
from Trump without throwing up (which would be a very unregal thing to
do), must be quite difficult.

Sylvia.

Then why did she invite him? I would not have. You know what's coming next
too. Trump just gave an interview to the Sun where he pontificates on
Brexit, "I told Theresa........." and where he calls Merkle nasty.
A state visit like Trump just made to Japan is supposed to be an easy
visit, a great PR event for the president. Trump turned that into a
shit storm. The WH ordering the USS McCain covered up, the sailors from
the McCain being denied attending Trump visit on the USS Wasp because
they had McCain on their uniforms. Trump made nice with KJU while there,
complimenting him for insulting Biden. The press then brought that up
in the press conference with Abe standing beside Trump and Trump used it
as an opportunity to insult Biden again himself. Then he comes home and
when questioned about the USS McCain incident, instead of just saying,
I didn't know about it and it was wrong, of course Trump instead says
that it whoever did it, they were well meaning and then he proceeded to
insult McCain again himself. It's just a never ending shit show. The
really sad thing is that the trumpets are so mesmerized by the orange
clown, that they blame all the above on the media, fake news, anything
but the real source of all the trouble, Donald Trump. Oh and Trump insisted
on having a double cheeseburger for lunch in Japan, made from American
beef! Who goes as a guest somewhere, as a representative of this great
country and behaves like such an oaf?

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 1/06/2019 12:51 pm, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 9:45:12 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 27/05/2019 11:02 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.


I rarely feel sorry for the Queen, but having to put up with a visit
from Trump without throwing up (which would be a very unregal thing to
do), must be quite difficult.

Sylvia.

Then why did she invite him? I would not have.

I doubt it was her decision. Although the Queen is technically the head
of the UK state, in practice she has little power, and if told by the
government that she needs to invite Trump, that's what she'd do.

Sylvia.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 01/06/19 02:45, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 27/05/2019 11:02 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.


I rarely feel sorry for the Queen, but having to put up with a visit from Trump
without throwing up (which would be a very unregal thing to do), must be quite
difficult.

I wouldn't worry too much; she's had plenty of experience of
such things during her reign. Nicolae Ceaușescu was a famous
example.

I'm told a dab of Tiger Balm ointment between the nose
and top lip is quite effective.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 01/06/19 04:20, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 1/06/2019 12:51 pm, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 9:45:12 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 27/05/2019 11:02 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Trump goes over to the UK shortly and will have a very well-deserved
opportunity to gloat over the demise of the British prime minister.


I rarely feel sorry for the Queen, but having to put up with a visit
from Trump without throwing up (which would be a very unregal thing to
do), must be quite difficult.

Sylvia.

Then why did she invite him?  I would not have.

I doubt it was her decision. Although the Queen is technically the head of the
UK state, in practice she has little power, and if told by the government that
she needs to invite Trump, that's what she'd do.

Your response is sensible and correct.

That CD should ask the question reveals a lot about
him and his (lack of) knowledge of the UK systems,
but isn't surprising.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 01 Jun 2019 13:20:16 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

I doubt it was her decision. Although the Queen is technically the head
of the UK state, in practice she has little power, and if told by the
government that she needs to invite Trump, that's what she'd do.

Nevertheless there is clearly some genuine mutual affection there.



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[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, June 1, 2019 at 2:09:24 AM UTC+2, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 29 May 2019 18:56:18 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Giving GB even more time to make up their mind was a bad thing to do.

I agree with you there. But the fact that the Brexit Party (formed only 7
weeks ago!) is *already* the largest single party in the European
Parliament should tell everyone that regardless of what the politicians
are doing, the overwhelming majority of British voters still want OUT of
Europe and are getting increasingly pissed off with the total lack of
progress.

It's more that the people stupid enough to want Brexit are stupid enough to sign up with Farage again.

That those few who are that stupid signed up quickly doesn't make them a majority - as anybody less stupid than Cursitor Doom would be albe to work out.

100,000 - which is where they were on the 15th May 2019 acording to the Daily Telegraph - isn't any kind of majority.

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