OT: The media encouraging Ukrainians to attack Russian soldiers......

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Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Dirty laundry...
 
On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:46:40 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at Russian soldiers...

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Dirty laundry...

John Doe seems to be managing to ignore that fact that the Russians have and shelled and bombed hospitals, which does happen to be a war crime.

Civilians do seem to react to this kind of provocation by making Molotov cocktails (which are usually intended to be thrown at tanks, rather than individual Russian soldier).

The media doesn\'t have all that much influence on the behavior of people who are being attacked by foreign invaders, and it\'s a bit silly of John Doe to post this kind of nonsense, but he is remarkably consistently silly. And unpleasant with it. A thoroughly obnoxious troll.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 13/03/2022 12:46, John Doe wrote:
Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

You are /way/ behind the times. The Ukrainian government published
instructions for making Molotov cocktails some two weeks ago.

> Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Citizens have every right to oppose an invading army.

The legalities of what constitutes a war crime are complicated, and I
don\'t pretend to know the rules.

We do know, with a high level of confidence, that the Russian army has
been committing war crimes during the invasion.

Dirty laundry...

War is rarely neat and tidy.
 
søndag den 13. marts 2022 kl. 13.33.13 UTC+1 skrev David Brown:
On 13/03/2022 12:46, John Doe wrote:
Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

You are /way/ behind the times. The Ukrainian government published
instructions for making Molotov cocktails some two weeks ago.
Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???
Citizens have every right to oppose an invading army.

The legalities of what constitutes a war crime are complicated, and I
don\'t pretend to know the rules.

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/are-molotov-cocktails-lawful-weapons/
 
But of course in reality there is no such thing as a \"war crime\".

Who makes \"war crime\" law? The winner of the last war.

People who are the best at war determine what \"war crimes\" are.

A silly poster...

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On 13/03/2022 12:46, John Doe wrote:
Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...


You are /way/ behind the times. The Ukrainian government published
instructions for making Molotov cocktails some two weeks ago.

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Citizens have every right to oppose an invading army.

The legalities of what constitutes a war crime are complicated, and I
don\'t pretend to know the rules.

We do know, with a high level of confidence, that the Russian army has
been committing war crimes during the invasion.


Dirty laundry...


War is rarely neat and tidy.
 
The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 13:43:34 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t0kse6$gjo$3@dont-email.me>.

Uxa7PafZgviY
 
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:43:46 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:
On 13/03/2022 12:46, John Doe wrote:
Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...


You are /way/ behind the times. The Ukrainian government published
instructions for making Molotov cocktails some two weeks ago.

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Citizens have every right to oppose an invading army.

The legalities of what constitutes a war crime are complicated, and I
don\'t pretend to know the rules.

We do know, with a high level of confidence, that the Russian army has
been committing war crimes during the invasion.

Dirty laundry...


War is rarely neat and tidy.

But of course in reality there is no such thing as a \"war crime\".

Tell that to the International Court of Justice at The Hague. They\'ve been prosecuting them for years now.

> Who makes \"war crime\" law? The winner of the last war.

The crimes committed in the wars between the bits of the former Yugoslavia weren\'t prosecuted by the winning side there, but by the International Court of Justice at The Hague.

> People who are the best at war determine what \"war crimes\" are.

Not any longer.

> A silly poster...

On the contrary, one who hasn\'t had his head stuck up his bottom since the Nuremberg war crimes trials ended in 1949. John Doe is the foolish poster here, not for the first time.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Encouraging civilians to confront an approaching army is EXTREMELY if not
CRIMINALLY careless. That gives invaders an excuse to fire on civilians.

Fortunately for those poor misled Ukrainians, Russia couldn\'t care less about
guerrilla warfare. Russia\'s interest is stopping NATO\'s ORGANIZED aggression.

Has anybody asked the millions of Ukrainian refugees whether they would have
rather surrendered so they could have stayed in their homes?

Can we provide enough aid so that it\'s like a vacation?





John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Dirty laundry...
 
Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 13:43:34 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t0kse6$gjo$3@dont-email.me>.

Uxa7PafZgviY
 
The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Sun, 13 Mar 2022 13:58:17 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t0kt9p$5ua$2@dont-email.me>).

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

pCD3kBdmAjwt
 
It\'s kind of neat IMO how I can make you do tricks, Eddie.

You\'re the first stalker/troll I have run into that doesn\'t THINK.




Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Sun, 13 Mar 2022 13:58:17 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
t0kt9p$5ua$2@dont-email.me>).

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

pCD3kBdmAjwt
 
On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:57:57 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Dirty laundry...

Encouraging civilians to confront an approaching army is EXTREMELY if not CRIMINALLY careless. That gives invaders an excuse to fire on civilians.

When the invader is already shelling and bombing hospitals, they don\'t seem to need much excuse to fire on civilians.

> Fortunately for those poor misled Ukrainians, Russia couldn\'t care less about guerrilla warfare. Russia\'s interest is stopping NATO\'s ORGANIZED aggression.

Not that NATO has organised any aggressive move yet. Putin has organised quite enough of them to frighten the former satellites into badly wanting to get under the NATO umbrella, which has been protecting western Europe since 1949.

This probably counts as passive aggression from John Doe\'s bizarre point of view.

> Has anybody asked the millions of Ukrainian refugees whether they would have rather surrendered so they could have stayed in their homes?

Their menfolk have actually stayed in their homes to fight the Russians. It\'s not the kind of question a sensible reporter would ask.

> Can we provide enough aid so that it\'s like a vacation?

Few vacation spots can accommodate a million or so refugees at short notice, and getting them to anything that might look like a vacation spot would tie up a lot of transport, so the answer seems to be no.

John Doe needs to raise his game to the point where he could seen as a half-wit. At the moment he\'d rate as brain dead.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 6:43:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
But of course in reality there is no such thing as a \"war crime\".

Who makes \"war crime\" law? The winner of the last war.

Well, no. In the case of WW II Germany, it was prosecution under German
law that was definitive. If it was illegal under German law to round up
a few dozen citizens and execute them without trial, then it was illegal
in German-held territories. Effective war tactics, while brutal, were
not found to be illegal (notably, Otto Skorzeny was not prosecuted for war crimes).

There are treaties on treatment of prisoners of war, for example, that
are also enforceable law. There are US examples of conviction of US
military jailers for such things, from Iraq.
 
On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 6:57:57 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Encouraging civilians to confront an approaching army is EXTREMELY if not
CRIMINALLY careless. That gives invaders an excuse to fire on civilians.

Alas, that\'s correct. The range and accuracy of a \'cocktail\' doesn\'t impress
a rifle-equipped soldier.

Fortunately for those poor misled Ukrainians, Russia couldn\'t care less about
guerrilla warfare. Russia\'s interest is stopping NATO\'s ORGANIZED aggression.

Aggression is not an event, it\'s an attitude. You can paint that attitude onto
anyone or anything, in your imagination. Facts, events, do not support that assertion.
NATO is organized: true.
NATO is aggressive: huh? It\'s a defense alliance.

As for \'Russia\'s interest\', that\'s a smokescreen. Russian interests are
not served by any aspect of this war (or any other). Best guess as to the
reason for war: a shaky dictator wants to give himself a medal.

I suspect John Doe wants a medal, too. For lying while hanging onto Putin\'s coattails.
 
On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 05:40:12 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

søndag den 13. marts 2022 kl. 13.33.13 UTC+1 skrev David Brown:
On 13/03/2022 12:46, John Doe wrote:
Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

You are /way/ behind the times. The Ukrainian government published
instructions for making Molotov cocktails some two weeks ago.
Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???
Citizens have every right to oppose an invading army.

The legalities of what constitutes a war crime are complicated, and I
don\'t pretend to know the rules.

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/are-molotov-cocktails-lawful-weapons/
The above agonized analysis can only apply to governments, if it
applies at all. There is no world government with the ability to
impose law on sovereign nations, so those governments would have to
agree to be so bound by signing at least one treaty. And then follow
said treaty.

A population facing an invading army can do anything. Even if one
tried to impose rules, how could such rules be enforced in the
battlefield? On someone who will die in 30 seconds unless an ongoing
attack is thwarted immediately.

The old saying in the US (and in the UK?) is: \"Better to be judged by
twelve than buried by six.\"

Joe Gwinn
 
Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

> A population facing an invading army can do anything.

As can the invading army.

Even if one tried to impose rules, how could such rules be enforced in
the battlefield? On someone who will die in 30 seconds unless an
ongoing attack is thwarted immediately.

Yeah, and?

The old saying in the US (and in the UK?) is: \"Better to be judged by
twelve than buried by six.\"

That is obscure. Self-defense is a basic human right, but flailing against a
much superior attacker is unwise.
 
Idiot...


whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 6:43:46 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
But of course in reality there is no such thing as a \"war crime\".

Who makes \"war crime\" law? The winner of the last war.

Well, no. In the case of WW II Germany, it was prosecution under German
law that was definitive. If it was illegal under German law to round up
a few dozen citizens and execute them without trial, then it was illegal
in German-held territories. Effective war tactics, while brutal, were
not found to be illegal (notably, Otto Skorzeny was not prosecuted for war crimes).

There are treaties on treatment of prisoners of war, for example, that
are also enforceable law. There are US examples of conviction of US
military jailers for such things, from Iraq.
 
Too bad blowhard cowards on the Internet like this one don\'t have to face
what the Ukrainian PEOPLE are having to face...

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On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 6:57:57 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Encouraging civilians to confront an approaching army is EXTREMELY if not
CRIMINALLY careless. That gives invaders an excuse to fire on civilians.

Alas, that\'s correct. The range and accuracy of a \'cocktail\' doesn\'t impress
a rifle-equipped soldier.

Fortunately for those poor misled Ukrainians, Russia couldn\'t care less about
guerrilla warfare. Russia\'s interest is stopping NATO\'s ORGANIZED aggression.

Aggression is not an event, it\'s an attitude. You can paint that attitude onto
anyone or anything, in your imagination. Facts, events, do not support that assertion.
NATO is organized: true.
NATO is aggressive: huh? It\'s a defense alliance.

As for \'Russia\'s interest\', that\'s a smokescreen. Russian interests are
not served by any aspect of this war (or any other). Best guess as to the
reason for war: a shaky dictator wants to give himself a medal.

I suspect John Doe wants a medal, too. For lying while hanging onto Putin\'s coattails.
 
Too bad blowhard cowards on the Internet like this one don\'t have to face
what the Ukrainian PEOPLE are having to face...

--
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On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 12:57:57 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Dirty laundry...

Encouraging civilians to confront an approaching army is EXTREMELY if not CRIMINALLY careless. That gives invaders an excuse to fire on civilians.

When the invader is already shelling and bombing hospitals, they don\'t seem to need much excuse to fire on civilians.

Fortunately for those poor misled Ukrainians, Russia couldn\'t care less about guerrilla warfare. Russia\'s interest is stopping NATO\'s ORGANIZED aggression.

Not that NATO has organised any aggressive move yet. Putin has organised quite enough of them to frighten the former satellites into badly wanting to get under the NATO umbrella, which has been protecting western Europe since 1949.

This probably counts as passive aggression from John Doe\'s bizarre point of view.

Has anybody asked the millions of Ukrainian refugees whether they would have rather surrendered so they could have stayed in their homes?

Their menfolk have actually stayed in their homes to fight the Russians. It\'s not the kind of question a sensible reporter would ask.

Can we provide enough aid so that it\'s like a vacation?

Few vacation spots can accommodate a million or so refugees at short notice, and getting them to anything that might look like a vacation spot would tie up a lot of transport, so the answer seems to be no.

John Doe needs to raise his game to the point where he could seen as a half-wit. At the moment he\'d rate as brain dead.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 13-Mar-22 10:46 pm, John Doe wrote:
Sometimes the media encourages Ukrainians to throw Molotov cocktails at
Russian soldiers...

Doesn\'t that lead to WAR CRIMES???

Dirty laundry...

The Russians are waging war.

The Ukrainians citizens are merely engaged in self defence.

A maniac running round the streets in a tank randomly firing at
buildings could be stopped by citizens by any means available. It makes
no difference that the maniac is a Russian.

Sylvia.
 

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