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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 19/06/19 15:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 07:28:33 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/06/19 00:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:28:24 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 23:11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:04:57 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The government offered them profit and assumed the risk. And coerced
them to make the loans.

Don't forget the ratings agencies' part in this. They certified those
liar loan packages as AAA. It's like you go to your kosher butcher for a
pound of sausages, they've been stamped by the Rabbi and all, but when
you get them home you find they're full of all sorts of disgusting shit:
dog and cat meat, gammelfleisch, dead rats, slugs, turtle rectums, hyena
entrails and elephant dung.
That may sound a bit exaggerated, but it's exactly what they did with
those minced up bundles of bum securities. Bastards.

Yup.

Capitalist bastards.
Not communist bastards.
Not socialist bastards.

Capitalist bastards.

Emigrate to Venezuela.

Strawman argument: those are grade one bastards too.

The point is not that communists or socialists are
"good", because they aren't per se.

The point is to provide solid examples that counter your previous statements in
this thread:

"The great mass murders of the last century, a
couple hundred million starved and murdered,
were engineered by socialists."
while omitting the same things done by capitalists.

About Hitler/Stalin/Mao
"Their most dangerous conviction was that they
were always right about everything and should
therefore control everything.
The least dangerous thing that attitude causes
is to wreck the economy."
while omitting that capitalists also wreck economies.

The point is that the problems are caused by rampant
mis-application of *any* ideology coupled with malice,
greed and stupidity.

Mensch ist mensch, the whole world over.

*People* are the problem.

"Capitalism" created the sweatshop mills that made poor people able to
afford clothes. It exploited labor to build the trucks that multiplied
farm output. The greedy capitalist railroad barrons let people get to
California in 5 days, where it used to take 5 months with the trail
lined with graves. Capitalists strung ugly telephone and electric
wires in cities, and added to their crimes against humanity by selling
light bulbs and leasing phones.

Doncha just hate the capitalist world you live in? That coffee, and
that coffee maker, and even those bagels, are the products of pure
greed.

All true, but that doesn't change the point!

Just because X has some beneficial consequences:
doesn't mean:
- X has zero bad consequences
- Y, Z don't have similar beneficial consequences
- Y, Z don't have different beneficial consequences

Fundamentally I object to lazy thinking leading to
ignoring dysfunctional aspects of anything. That
applies to electronics, software, politics, religion,
etc.


*People* have all sorts of whacko ideas. Look what happens if we allow
them to just try things without proper authorization.
Some of them die. Some of them kill other people, indirectly
or directly. Some of them save other people. Etc.

What's your point?! Sounds like you are advocating untrammeled
libertarian anarchy.

You know you are boxing with a ghost, right? Larkin won't actually say anything of substance. He likes to throw out sound bites with perhaps a bit of implied meaning. But he hasn't actually given the matter any real thought, so he is incapable of expressing any real thought.

Let me know if you get anything meaningful from him.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 11:47:54 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:52:26 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/06/19 15:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 07:28:33 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/06/19 00:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:28:24 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 23:11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:04:57 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The government offered them profit and assumed the risk. And coerced
them to make the loans.

Don't forget the ratings agencies' part in this. They certified those
liar loan packages as AAA. It's like you go to your kosher butcher for a
pound of sausages, they've been stamped by the Rabbi and all, but when
you get them home you find they're full of all sorts of disgusting shit:
dog and cat meat, gammelfleisch, dead rats, slugs, turtle rectums, hyena
entrails and elephant dung.
That may sound a bit exaggerated, but it's exactly what they did with
those minced up bundles of bum securities. Bastards.

Yup.

Capitalist bastards.
Not communist bastards.
Not socialist bastards.

Capitalist bastards.

Emigrate to Venezuela.

Strawman argument: those are grade one bastards too.

The point is not that communists or socialists are
"good", because they aren't per se.

The point is to provide solid examples that counter your previous statements in
this thread:

"The great mass murders of the last century, a
couple hundred million starved and murdered,
were engineered by socialists."
while omitting the same things done by capitalists.

About Hitler/Stalin/Mao
"Their most dangerous conviction was that they
were always right about everything and should
therefore control everything.
The least dangerous thing that attitude causes
is to wreck the economy."
while omitting that capitalists also wreck economies.

The point is that the problems are caused by rampant
mis-application of *any* ideology coupled with malice,
greed and stupidity.

Mensch ist mensch, the whole world over.

*People* are the problem.

"Capitalism" created the sweatshop mills that made poor people able to
afford clothes. It exploited labor to build the trucks that multiplied
farm output. The greedy capitalist railroad barrons let people get to
California in 5 days, where it used to take 5 months with the trail
lined with graves. Capitalists strung ugly telephone and electric
wires in cities, and added to their crimes against humanity by selling
light bulbs and leasing phones.

Doncha just hate the capitalist world you live in? That coffee, and
that coffee maker, and even those bagels, are the products of pure
greed.

All true, but that doesn't change the point!

Just because X has some beneficial consequences:
doesn't mean:
- X has zero bad consequences
- Y, Z don't have similar beneficial consequences
- Y, Z don't have different beneficial consequences

Fundamentally I object to lazy thinking leading to
ignoring dysfunctional aspects of anything. That
applies to electronics, software, politics, religion,
etc.


*People* have all sorts of whacko ideas. Look what happens if we allow
them to just try things without proper authorization.
Some of them die. Some of them kill other people, indirectly
or directly. Some of them save other people. Etc.

What's your point?! Sounds like you are advocating untrammeled
libertarian anarchy.



My point is that most people act in their self-interest. We do need
laws and some amount of economic regulation, but what is demonstrated
to work best is to harness greed and chance for the common good,
namely let a lot of people try things and reward what works. The
reward is called profit. The common good is called productivity.

When politicians control an economy, they usually act in their own
interest. Nobody understands causalities in an economy anyhow.

If you had a rusty Beetle up on blocks in your yard, and someone came
by and offered you $50 for it, and a few minutes later someone offered
$400, which offer would you take?

Every time I see logic like this it reminds me of an idiot that was working for a government contractor. He actually said you calculated area by dividing. As proof he said, "How many quarters in a dollar? How many in two dollars? See?..." That seems to be Larkin's approach to economics.

"See?..."

--

Rick C.

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[bitrex]

On 6/19/19 7:46 AM, Michael Terrell wrote:

The generation in their 20s and 30s will write the history books to
reflect the Boomer generation in the proper light; a generation of
self-absorbed jerks who had the easy life handed to them on a platter,
and spent it tooling around on 9 cent a gallon gasoline blathering on
about how great they were while fucking everything up real good.

Very few seemed to improve with age...

Fool. You are a self centered snowflake, and China's bitch. Thanks to you losers, the raw materials for your EV's batteries help fund the Chinese Army after forcing US based Lithium mines to be shut down. You are unable to anything other than play Keyboard Warriors. I pity you, but it is far too late to turn you into men. You will die as eight year old boys, while thinking that your lives mattered to anyone other than you.

Talk to truck and SUV owners and the petroleum industry if you wanna
talk about the Middle East,

and talk to Wal-Mart if you wanna talk about China,

and feel free to pity me all day it's still a free country!

 

[bitrex]

On 6/19/19 10:20 AM, Rick C wrote:

The generation in their 20s and 30s will write the history books to
reflect the Boomer generation in the proper light; a generation of
self-absorbed jerks who had the easy life handed to them on a platter,
and spent it tooling around on 9 cent a gallon gasoline blathering on
about how great they were while fucking everything up real good.

Very few seemed to improve with age...

Fool. You are a self centered snowflake, and China's bitch. Thanks to you losers, the raw materials for your EV's batteries help fund the Chinese Army after forcing US based Lithium mines to be shut down. You are unable to anything other than play Keyboard Warriors. I pity you, but it is far too late to turn you into men. You will die as eight year old boys, while thinking that your lives mattered to anyone other than you.

You remind me of George C. Scott's character in Dr. Strangelove worried about the commies, "Mr. President, we must not allow a mine-shaft gap!"

BTW, you have your minerals confused. What you are talking about is not lithium. Believe it or not, it makes a difference. It doesn't work to just think everything bought from China is the same story.

Sure, he could've offered a rebuttal that made my admittedly
overly-broad statement seem out-of-place but as I say, very few seem to
improve with age.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:52:26 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/06/19 15:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 07:28:33 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/06/19 00:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:28:24 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 18/06/19 23:11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:04:57 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

The government offered them profit and assumed the risk. And coerced
them to make the loans.

Don't forget the ratings agencies' part in this. They certified those
liar loan packages as AAA. It's like you go to your kosher butcher for a
pound of sausages, they've been stamped by the Rabbi and all, but when
you get them home you find they're full of all sorts of disgusting shit:
dog and cat meat, gammelfleisch, dead rats, slugs, turtle rectums, hyena
entrails and elephant dung.
That may sound a bit exaggerated, but it's exactly what they did with
those minced up bundles of bum securities. Bastards.

Yup.

Capitalist bastards.
Not communist bastards.
Not socialist bastards.

Capitalist bastards.

Emigrate to Venezuela.

Strawman argument: those are grade one bastards too.

The point is not that communists or socialists are
"good", because they aren't per se.

The point is to provide solid examples that counter your previous statements in
this thread:

"The great mass murders of the last century, a
couple hundred million starved and murdered,
were engineered by socialists."
while omitting the same things done by capitalists.

About Hitler/Stalin/Mao
"Their most dangerous conviction was that they
were always right about everything and should
therefore control everything.
The least dangerous thing that attitude causes
is to wreck the economy."
while omitting that capitalists also wreck economies.

The point is that the problems are caused by rampant
mis-application of *any* ideology coupled with malice,
greed and stupidity.

Mensch ist mensch, the whole world over.

*People* are the problem.

"Capitalism" created the sweatshop mills that made poor people able to
afford clothes. It exploited labor to build the trucks that multiplied
farm output. The greedy capitalist railroad barrons let people get to
California in 5 days, where it used to take 5 months with the trail
lined with graves. Capitalists strung ugly telephone and electric
wires in cities, and added to their crimes against humanity by selling
light bulbs and leasing phones.

Doncha just hate the capitalist world you live in? That coffee, and
that coffee maker, and even those bagels, are the products of pure
greed.

All true, but that doesn't change the point!

Just because X has some beneficial consequences:
doesn't mean:
- X has zero bad consequences
- Y, Z don't have similar beneficial consequences
- Y, Z don't have different beneficial consequences

Fundamentally I object to lazy thinking leading to
ignoring dysfunctional aspects of anything. That
applies to electronics, software, politics, religion,
etc.


*People* have all sorts of whacko ideas. Look what happens if we allow
them to just try things without proper authorization.
Some of them die. Some of them kill other people, indirectly
or directly. Some of them save other people. Etc.

What's your point?! Sounds like you are advocating untrammeled
libertarian anarchy.

My point is that most people act in their self-interest. We do need
laws and some amount of economic regulation, but what is demonstrated
to work best is to harness greed and chance for the common good,
namely let a lot of people try things and reward what works. The
reward is called profit. The common good is called productivity.

When politicians control an economy, they usually act in their own
interest. Nobody understands causalities in an economy anyhow.

If you had a rusty Beetle up on blocks in your yard, and someone came
by and offered you $50 for it, and a few minutes later someone offered
$400, which offer would you take?


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[bitrex]

On 6/19/19 7:51 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f7b85256-61c6-43db-ad21-b0802e3ee178@googlegroups.com:

Fool. You are a self centered snowflake, and China's bitch. Thanks
to you losers, the raw materials for your EV's batteries help fund
the Chinese Army after forcing US based Lithium mines to be shut
down.

Terrell is an abject idiot.

America, and particularly the military have been buying advanced raw
materials form our enemies for decades, and it was long before electric
cars and their battery needs came into it.

Thanks to losers like you some folks get bent perceptions of reality.

You really should just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

The rest of the car was designed by American engineers working for an
American company and built in Detroit (still a part of America last I
checked) by American workers "fueled" by American power plants also
staffed by American workers and charged at charge ports owned by
American-owned businesses and...etc.

I guess in some realities this somehow ends up being an anti-American
product in the final accounting but I don't put much stock in the rationale.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 12:33:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 6/19/19 7:51 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f7b85256-61c6-43db-ad21-b0802e3ee178@googlegroups.com:

Fool. You are a self centered snowflake, and China's bitch. Thanks
to you losers, the raw materials for your EV's batteries help fund
the Chinese Army after forcing US based Lithium mines to be shut
down.

Terrell is an abject idiot.

America, and particularly the military have been buying advanced raw
materials form our enemies for decades, and it was long before electric
cars and their battery needs came into it.

Thanks to losers like you some folks get bent perceptions of reality..

You really should just SHUT THE FUCK UP.


The rest of the car was designed by American engineers working for an
American company and built in Detroit (still a part of America last I
checked) by American workers "fueled" by American power plants also
staffed by American workers and charged at charge ports owned by
American-owned businesses and...etc.

I guess in some realities this somehow ends up being an anti-American
product in the final accounting but I don't put much stock in the rationale.

I guess Tyrel would be happy if we stopped selling to the Chinese as well. That would not bode well for at least one American business since they are building a gigafactory there to make some 300,000 cars a year to sell mostly to the Chinese. They won't have EVs... well actually they will since many companies are doing the same thing. But at least we won't be making any money off them.

--

Rick C.

+-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 6/19/19 12:46 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 12:33:29 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/19/19 7:51 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f7b85256-61c6-43db-ad21-b0802e3ee178@googlegroups.com:

Fool. You are a self centered snowflake, and China's bitch. Thanks
to you losers, the raw materials for your EV's batteries help fund
the Chinese Army after forcing US based Lithium mines to be shut
down.

Terrell is an abject idiot.

America, and particularly the military have been buying advanced raw
materials form our enemies for decades, and it was long before electric
cars and their battery needs came into it.

Thanks to losers like you some folks get bent perceptions of reality.

You really should just SHUT THE FUCK UP.


The rest of the car was designed by American engineers working for an
American company and built in Detroit (still a part of America last I
checked) by American workers "fueled" by American power plants also
staffed by American workers and charged at charge ports owned by
American-owned businesses and...etc.

I guess in some realities this somehow ends up being an anti-American
product in the final accounting but I don't put much stock in the rationale.

I guess Tyrel would be happy if we stopped selling to the Chinese as well. That would not bode well for at least one American business since they are building a gigafactory there to make some 300,000 cars a year to sell mostly to the Chinese. They won't have EVs... well actually they will since many companies are doing the same thing. But at least we won't be making any money off them.

Right, way to hate on one consumer market segment that American
companies do well and Asian countries actually want to buy from us and
we export.

The Chevy Bolt will never be a big seller in the US but it sells out in
South Korea, all made in America for the moment and keeps Detroit
workers employed.

<https://insideevs.com/news/349396/chevy-bolt-ev-south-korea-sales-april-expand/>

In any case the continental US hasn't been a significant exporter of
lithium in decades, nothing was forced to close by EVs. The Chevy
battery packs are manufactured in South Korea and the lithium for them
probably comes from a variety of sources.

 

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:03:16 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 09:42:58 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

Two follow-ups to your own post. Are you done yet?

Only *two* this time? The boy's getting better! ;-

Two is about normal for ShortBit's autoconversations. Three to seven
is more usual for AlwaysWrong's autodigitalenjoyment.

 

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:33:44 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/17/19 12:44 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
newsXONE.183604$9v.129810@fx44.iad:

On 6/17/19 11:52 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:46:14 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

On 6/17/19 11:29 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:04:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

On 6/17/19 2:46 AM, whit3rd wrote:
On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 9:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:41:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 2:04:59 PM UTC-7, John Larkin
wrote:

The Impeach Trump movement started before he was
inaugurated.

There is no movement, just a bunch of loudmouths.

The Impeach thing has serious organization and serious money
behind it. Steyer alone has spent tens of millions.

Expensive hot air is still... hot air. Organized hot air...
well, if it'll turn a turbine, I'm all for it.

Google impeach trump movement

But that would be paying 'way too much attention to... hot
air. I'll search on more useful strings, like 'silver
solder clearance' or somesuch, and find something worth
reading about.


A large proportion of the Republican electorate believes it's
the government's job to round up the people they don't like
and gas and shoot them and their families and fill up mass
graves in the name of Jesus.


No. The large proportion of Republicans are serious Christians
who donate time and money to helping the less fortunate.

Read this:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=who+really+cares&crid=
37BNZJ5FOFEPV&s
prefix=who+really%2Caps%2C190&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_10



Read the book. Sometimes statistics are a useful supplement to
speculation and prejudice.

How much did you donate to the less fortunate last year?




A sad/amusing anecdote was this time about a year ago after my
father passed away and I went to donate some of his unused clothes
(like many elderly people he had a ton of clothes but tended to
favor the same three pairs of slacks.)

The Salvation Army headquarters for my region is this huge-ass
building in an office park about five stories high, looks like
about a $15 million property that rivals the size of Analog
Device's global headquarters down the street. well-landscaped
grounds and parking for like 100 cars, executive parking spots,
all that stuff.

I thought hey maybe I can just drop these clothes off there but
nope. There were only two rusty clothing drop-boxes behind the
building, stuffed to overflowing, there was stuff on the ground in
front that had been rained on and ruined. Clearly hadn't been
cleaned out in several weeks or a month, at least.

Checked out the couple BMWs parked in the lot on the way out and
chuckled, this "faith based" charity is top-heavy as fuk. All
executives and accountants and functionaries and bullshit but they
don't even seem to pay anyone $8 an hour on staff to clean out the
donation box AT THEIR OWN REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS! in a timely
fashion.

You'd have thought one of those executives at some point in the,
what, month or whatever would've noticed the overflowing
drop-boxes AT THEIR OWN REGIONAL HEADQUARTERS and said to
themselves "Hey that's a real waste and looks pretty bad maybe I
should tidy that up?" and get off their ass and do it but I guess
not. Below their pay grade I suppose.


The Salvation Army is a church.

Headquartered in the UK.

But over three decades ago I stayed at a facility in St. Louis
over a weekend until I could get my car the following Monday.

I sent them a check for $60 some 15 years later.


One of the few right-wing Christian organizations that do actual charity
are the Mormons; most other Evangelical charities are in the vein of the
Salvation Army - all BMWs and high-paid executives and paper-pushing and
lobbying bullshit and does some actual charity from time to time as a hobby.

Why should you stop lying now?

 

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:38:58 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:46:21 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/17/19 11:29 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:04:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/17/19 2:46 AM, whit3rd wrote:
On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 9:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:41:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 2:04:59 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

The Impeach Trump movement started before he was inaugurated.

There is no movement, just a bunch of loudmouths.

The Impeach thing has serious organization and serious money behind
it. Steyer alone has spent tens of millions.

Expensive hot air is still... hot air. Organized hot air... well, if it'll turn a turbine, I'm all
for it.

Google impeach trump movement

But that would be paying 'way too much attention to... hot air. I'll search on
more useful strings, like 'silver solder clearance' or somesuch, and find something worth
reading about.


A large proportion of the Republican electorate believes it's the
government's job to round up the people they don't like and gas and
shoot them and their families and fill up mass graves in the name of Jesus.


No. The large proportion of Republicans are serious Christians who
donate time and money to helping the less fortunate.

Read this:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=who+really+cares&crid=37BNZJ5FOFEPV&sprefix=who+really%2Caps%2C190&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_10


The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

The most violent group in the USA now is Antifa.



To serve and protect...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/tennessee-preacher-cop-lgbtq/index.html

Too bad this sort of hate doesn't qualify as a crime by itself. I think some other crime has to be committed, only then could it be considered a hate crime.

All lefties think that "wrong" thoughts should be a crime. You're
obviously the norm.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:06:53 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:48:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Maduro.
Who did you have in mind?

Slavers.

Slavery was universal throughout, no doubt before, recorded history.

Yup; sanctioned by both Judaism and Islam, and probably
other major religions.


What's remarkable is how Western democracies ended it.

It wasn't ended (here) because of democracy nor
because of capitalism. Moral indignation was the
driving force. Hence capitalism is irrelevant in
this respect.

In your country for a long time black men were
counted as 3/5th of a white man. I have no idea
how that figure was derived!

The British were the great slavers; they bought and transported
millions of Africans to the new world and out them to work. The US
inherited a chunk of the British slave empire.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:57:25 GMT, Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:

Their most dangerous conviction was that they were always right about
everything and should therefore control everything.

The least dangerous thing that attitude causes is to wreck the
economy.

Sounds like Trump.

He now wants to change the constitution so he can become king for life!

Not surprising that every phrase from the socialist is a lie.

 

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:50:20 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Maduro.
Who did you have in mind?

Those people were indeed grade one bastards.

Slavers are the obvious example.

But there are many less extreme ones. All you have to do
is look at the fascist and/or religious dictatorships.

The fascists *were* socialists, moron.

 

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:06:53 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:48:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Maduro.
Who did you have in mind?

Slavers.

Slavery was universal throughout, no doubt before, recorded history.

Yup; sanctioned by both Judaism and Islam, and probably
other major religions.

Because both Judaism, and Islam, were run by humans. Go figure.

What's remarkable is how Western democracies ended it.

It wasn't ended (here) because of democracy nor
because of capitalism. Moral indignation was the
driving force. Hence capitalism is irrelevant in
this respect.

Utter nonsense. The roots are the same.

In your country for a long time black men were
counted as 3/5th of a white man. I have no idea
how that figure was derived!

Of course you don't. Facts never matter to leftists.

It's still going on in lots of places.

Yup, and in a lot of those places capitalism rules.

Legally? Like?

Slaves were at least valuable property. It didn't make sense to
mass-murder them.

True (at least while they were young and fit),
but irrelevant to the point.

Of course you don't care that 100M people were murdered by socialists
in only the last 100 years. That doesn't matter one tiny bit.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 10:44:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:38:58 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 11:46:21 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/17/19 11:29 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:04:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/17/19 2:46 AM, whit3rd wrote:
On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 9:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:41:33 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 2:04:59 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

The Impeach Trump movement started before he was inaugurated.

There is no movement, just a bunch of loudmouths.

The Impeach thing has serious organization and serious money behind
it. Steyer alone has spent tens of millions.

Expensive hot air is still... hot air. Organized hot air... well, if it'll turn a turbine, I'm all
for it.

Google impeach trump movement

But that would be paying 'way too much attention to... hot air. I'll search on
more useful strings, like 'silver solder clearance' or somesuch, and find something worth
reading about.


A large proportion of the Republican electorate believes it's the
government's job to round up the people they don't like and gas and
shoot them and their families and fill up mass graves in the name of Jesus.


No. The large proportion of Republicans are serious Christians who
donate time and money to helping the less fortunate.

Read this:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=who+really+cares&crid=37BNZJ5FOFEPV&sprefix=who+really%2Caps%2C190&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_10


The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

The most violent group in the USA now is Antifa.



To serve and protect...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/tennessee-preacher-cop-lgbtq/index.html

Too bad this sort of hate doesn't qualify as a crime by itself. I think some other crime has to be committed, only then could it be considered a hate crime.

All lefties think that "wrong" thoughts should be a crime. You're
obviously the norm.

You mean compared to the right who believes thinking itself is a crime?

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 11:42:04 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:06:53 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:48:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Maduro.
Who did you have in mind?

Slavers.

Slavery was universal throughout, no doubt before, recorded history.

Yup; sanctioned by both Judaism and Islam, and probably
other major religions.


What's remarkable is how Western democracies ended it.

It wasn't ended (here) because of democracy nor
because of capitalism. Moral indignation was the
driving force. Hence capitalism is irrelevant in
this respect.

In your country for a long time black men were
counted as 3/5th of a white man. I have no idea
how that figure was derived!

The British were the great slavers; they bought and transported
millions of Africans to the new world and out them to work. The US
inherited a chunk of the British slave empire.

You mean long after the British realized the error of their ways and stopped?

Yes, the US has its hands totally clean.

The 3/5th thing was a compromise because people were counted to determine how many representatives in Congress each state got as well as votes for President. It was a VERY big thing.

--

Rick C.

++-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 20/06/19 04:41, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:06:53 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 20:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:48:02 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 17:45, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 17:21:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/06/19 16:29, John Larkin wrote:
The great mass murders of the last century, a couple hundred million
starved and murdered, were engineered by socialists.

Except for those in that centuries, previous centuries,
and the current century that can only be described as
capitalists - and who embody and demonstrate traditional
libertarian ideals.

I was thinking of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Maduro.
Who did you have in mind?

Slavers.

Slavery was universal throughout, no doubt before, recorded history.

Yup; sanctioned by both Judaism and Islam, and probably
other major religions.


What's remarkable is how Western democracies ended it.

It wasn't ended (here) because of democracy nor
because of capitalism. Moral indignation was the
driving force. Hence capitalism is irrelevant in
this respect.

In your country for a long time black men were
counted as 3/5th of a white man. I have no idea
how that figure was derived!

The British were the great slavers; they bought and transported
millions of Africans to the new world and out them to work. The US
inherited a chunk of the British slave empire.

At that stage we were the leading capitalist economy,
and we ended the practice before the USA.

Note that the word capitalist, while accurate, is only
relevant in the context of recent conversations
stating that socialism starved and murdered millions.
In reality no political system has clean hands.

Too many modern apologists like to put all the blame
on the UK's entrepreneurs. In reality they slaves
were "created" in W Africa by Africans, and "used"
in the Americas by Americans. The UK merely
acted as Yodel/Hermes, transporting and delivering
them in poor conditions.

(Yodel/Hermes are the local hated parcel carriers)

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 5:32:50 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:47:02 +0000, Steve Wilson wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost

Ah, there's your problem.

Indeed! They could have taught Pravda how to spread lies. They post some crap they made up, then a horde of liberal bloggers cite it as truth. One recent post claimed that the Trump Administration was about to deny 600,000 Veterans their VA Benefits. If they had actually read that hit piece, all it did was list the typical errors made for incomplete applications. You need all your paperwork in order, and you have to pass a 'Means Test' to prove that you do require their services. If something is missing on an application, or doesn't match your service records, you are told what was wrong, and to resubmit. I went through that same process about 17 years ago but my application had no errors. My only problem was waiting for a replacement copy of my DD214, Separation form.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 12:02:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

Talk to truck and SUV owners and the petroleum industry if you wanna
talk about the Middle East,

and talk to Wal-Mart if you wanna talk about China,

and feel free to pity me all day it's still a free country!

Tell me this. How can I charge an EV Carbon Free, when the local power plant is powered by Natural Gas? A lot of power plants in Florida burn Natural Gas. There is some Nuclear, and a very little Solar, but they are bringing the new plant in Citrus online as another Natural Gas fired plant.

You whine about Walmart? I don't give a damn. It is one of the few places that has an acceptable selection of low sugar foods, after Hurricane Irma. Keep blathering about things that you don't know, and show everyone what a fool you are. You don't research anything, you just blather like Sloman and that Linux ding-dong. It is laughable about your kind writing history. No one will be left who is intelligent around to read it. You never did say how many books that you own, and have read. You and yours are an embarrassment to civilization.