OT: reaction to Iraqi elections

Jim Yanik wrote:

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in
news:Y8+TZgCi2ODCFwLG@jmwa.demon.co.uk:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelati
ons@hotmail.com> wrote (in <420C5ECF.FA250C12@hotmail.com>) about 'OT:
reaction to Iraqi elections', on Fri, 11 Feb 2005:

Don't forget that Israel essentially *stole* the land off
the Palestinians !

No, 'Israel' didn't exist until the land had been appropriated by
Britain and its allies. It seemed like a good idea at the time, no
doubt, because of the anti-Semitism, pogroms etc.

I have to laugh at that claim,as the Al-Aqsa Mosque is built on the JEWISH
temple mount.
Jews lived in Israel long before any Arabs came along.
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Before any Arabs came along you think ? What planet did this happen on pray ?


Thousands of years before.
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It was called Palestine them !


Graham
 
....and you are as ignorant as they come. I happen to live in Taiwan.

Try telling that to the 23+ million Taiwanese who are staring at 600
missles (and growing) pointed at them. Taiwan is extremely important
to the mainland, strategically, historically, and culturally. Because
of the 2008 olympics, I don't believe this invasion will take place
until after that time (that was President Chen's leverage -- which he
has now lost, due to not getting a majority in the legislative election
in December).

Shortly after 2008, however, I would expect to see China invade Taiwan.

Again, the U.S. is NOT in the position of "ALLOWING" Taiwan to get
nuclear warheads. If progress is made towards that goal, China WILL
invade Taiwan BEFORE 2008.

You seriously underestimate the Chinese commitment to the "one-China
policy".
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in
news:9b0v01lb9mhkkrd6p4n0d0bamqrj5o9o5r@4ax.com:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:11:03 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:43:58 -0800, STOP_George wrote:

Keith said:

"No need to invade. Threaten to allow ROK, Taiwan, and Japan to go
nuclear
to defend themselves. China would thump Kim for us, rather than have
that
happen. "

Uhh....China will go to war if Taiwan simply declares official
independence -- let alone getting nuclear warheads.

The U.S. is UNABLE to "allow" this to happen. That, as we say, is an
empty threat.

I'm still laughing over that one! Thanks, Keith!!

You frappin' 'tard, China will off Kim first. China isn't about to go to
war with anyone.

Absolutely true, they're too busy enjoying the spoils of capitalism.

...Jim Thompson
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Soon enough,they plan to invade Taiwan.
They are preparing militarily first.
Taiwan is not going to reunite with Red China voluntarily;they see the
example of what happened to Hong Kong.

(Maybe if Red China has true free elections.Fat chance)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in
news:Y8+TZgCi2ODCFwLG@jmwa.demon.co.uk:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelati
ons@hotmail.com> wrote (in <420C5ECF.FA250C12@hotmail.com>) about 'OT:
reaction to Iraqi elections', on Fri, 11 Feb 2005:

Don't forget that Israel essentially *stole* the land off
the Palestinians !

No, 'Israel' didn't exist until the land had been appropriated by
Britain and its allies. It seemed like a good idea at the time, no
doubt, because of the anti-Semitism, pogroms etc.
Click to expand...
I have to laugh at that claim,as the Al-Aqsa Mosque is built on the JEWISH
temple mount.
Jews lived in Israel long before any Arabs came along.
Thousands of years before.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:27:06 GMT, richard mullens
<mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Well, I was reporting on what the UN document said.
Evidently the UN wishes to say that States too can commit crimes. There is no carte blanche just because one is a state.
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So, what constitutes a legitimate government, one that can claim a
right of national sovereignty and have a vote at the UN? A monarchy? A
dictatorship? A never-elected communist-party machine? A puppet of
another state?

It would be difficult to get the UN to tighten up the definition, as
most of the votes would have to come from governments that would
disqualify themselves.

John
 
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:42:38 GMT, richard mullens
<mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:


Yes, but dissent anywhere can cause you to come to grief at the hands of the authorities,


Not in the US, unless you are violent or don't pay your taxes.

John


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rector
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USA People's park

"Protesters threw rocks and bottles."

If I was a cop with 6000 brats marching on me throwing rocks and
bottles, I might back off a bit on my idea of civil liberties.

John
 
Right.

And Hitler was elected to office by the Germans.

So what?

Maybe you can find a Biblical passage supporting your warped views.
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:44 GMT, richard mullens
mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:

It was just a dispute over land



The land was and is the property of The University of California (ie,
The People), and the punks wanted it as a place to shoot drugs.
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And to think that I thought that this group was populated by misanthropes.
Now I know I can rely upon you to give a charitable viewpoint.
 
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:08:36 +0000, richard mullens wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:10:44 GMT, richard mullens
mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:

It was just a dispute over land



The land was and is the property of The University of California (ie,
The People), and the punks wanted it as a place to shoot drugs.

And to think that I thought that this group was populated by misanthropes.
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Yeay, we have our share of EuroPeons here.

Now I know I can rely upon you to give a charitable viewpoint.
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s/charitible/honest/

--
Keith
 
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:55:20 GMT, richard mullens
<mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:


Your fine words as to the legality of
war mean nothing.
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Good; I think you're finally beginning to understand how the world
works.

John
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:55:20 GMT, richard mullens
mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:



Your fine words as to the legality of
war mean nothing.


Good; I think you're finally beginning to understand how the world
works.
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If you mean that the US doesn't give a fuck about what other people think, then yes it has been confirmed to me here !
 
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:58:39 +0000, richard mullens wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:55:20 GMT, richard mullens
mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:



Your fine words as to the legality of
war mean nothing.


Good; I think you're finally beginning to understand how the world
works.


If you mean that the US doesn't give a fuck about what other people think, then yes it has been confirmed to me here !
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Since you obviously don't, why should we? OTOH, we'll survive. You'll let
you whine, while you still can.

--
Keith
 
John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote in
news:4fs611dj3vllpcnfe47nnp1siq7rros1h8@4ax.com:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:05:09 GMT, richard mullens
mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:



Oh no, we're going to have to rescue Europe from itself *again*? It's
getting tiresome, doing that every 40 years.

In Europe we're trying to get on with ourselves and others.

As you always have; reading European history is such fun. You should
try it.

John
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IMO,Europe's next big challenge is the non-integrating Islamic immigrants.
Europeans do not seem so accepting of other cultures.(like Jews)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:20:44 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

Meanwhile you're wasting your money bringing "democracy" to the
arabs.

Meaning they don't deserve it? We'll see.

Racists never believe others should have the opportunities they have had.
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Right. Some people just need somebody else to look down on.

John
 
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:55:25 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

But the real, deadly-serious question is:

Why are you and so many other Europeans angry because the US is
*trying* to install democracy?
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Because you're trying to "install" a system that the citizens of
Iraq might or might not want, against their will, killing people
in the process.

Because the rest of the world is sick and tired of the US being
self-appointed nanny to the world. A nanny with big guns, I
might mention.

Need more?

Thanks,
Rich
 
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
news:hli911tgcer8o0637jnf89uhhuhp6jt2cm@4ax.com:



But the real, deadly-serious question is:

********************** IMPORTANT ******************

Why are you and so many other Europeans angry because the US is
*trying* to install democracy?

********************** IMPORTANT ******************


John
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Because it interfered with their profitable contracts with the tyrannies.
Because they are envious of the US,and despise us for our successes.
They hate it that we had to free them from Hitler and keep them free from
the USSR.
Because they have far too many socialists.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 
On 17 Feb 2005 19:25:01 -0800, "STOP_George" <skiingkow@hotmail.com>
wrote:


Hey mom, look at my purple finger!!!
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Yeah, imagine the effrontery of those ragheads who think that someday
maybe they'll be able to live like white people. Like John Kerry said,
we shouldn't "over-hype" the election in Iraq.

John
 
STOP_George wrote:
That was also one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I have
ever heard, anywhere.

The President and Vice President risked their lives for political gain
on a moving vehicle relying on a shooter (using a non-precision
home-made gun), standing 15-20 feet away (trying to conceal himself in
the crowd).
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I've also heard that Kennedy shot himself while no one was looking.

Paul Burke
 
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:47:26 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:37:01 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

Standard pattern: when reason fails, cut over to insults. That means
the other guy has won the debate.

John

But what do you do when insults fail? ;-)
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Try humor? Discuss electronics? Post a nice recipe?

John
 
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