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Subject: Re: OT: plug and pray webcam on windows xp
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John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t834iq$en4$3@dont-
email.me:
I have had plenty of hardware installation problems.
You sound just like SkyTard Flailing.
Bwuahahahahahaahahaa!
Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...
The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...
Don\'t know why it persists, but...
I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I\'ve read plenty
about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of poking
around for a \"bigger\" Windows DLL file that might solve a hardware
installation problem.
Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to some
discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that... Unlikely.
Since the original poster is admittedly \"far from a windows freak\", it
should not be looking around for a \"bigger\" DLL (but seriously), and my
phrase \"without good cause\" is close enough.
Your phrase doesn\'t fit anything that\'s been discussed. Idiot.
Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
... >> I tried all the obvious, installed various drivers etc.,
nothing. Found a much longer version of upnphosts.dll (something
like 300k, mine was 182 or so), nothing.
...
Changing Windows\' system files is a bad idea. Hopefully you
restored the prior DLL after the \"much longer version\" failed.
Otherwise, that sort of manipulation could be the problem.
Don\'t know why it persists, but...
https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455
The problem with this nym-shifting poster might be drinking and posting...
corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 6/10/22 18:53, Lying attic dweller John Dope wrote:
I\'m being accused of \"lying\" by nym-shifting troll.
Nope. Anybody can scroll up.
And they\'ll find that your loose \"quote\",
\"Programmers replace Windows\' DLLs
without good cause, therefore unskilled Windows users should replace
Windows DLLs without good cause.\" (paraphrased)
was not paraphrased, it was fabricated.
On 06/11/2022 07:16 PM, corvid wrote:
On 6/11/22 15:22,lying attic dweller John Doe wrote:
Don\'t know why it persists, but...
I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I\'ve read plenty
about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of poking
around for a \"bigger\" Windows DLL file that might solve a hardware
installation problem.
You\'re too stupid to find solutions.
Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to some
discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that... Unlikely.
Since the original poster is admittedly \"far from a windows freak\", it
should not be looking around for a \"bigger\" DLL (but seriously), and my
phrase \"without good cause\" is close enough.
Your phrase doesn\'t fit anything that\'s been discussed. Idiot.
https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455
\"DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft, sometimes it\'s
not. Many companies create DLL files as part of their software packages.\"
Confirms exactly what I wrote.
Used correctly they are handy. We have several optional modules. Rather
than burdening the executable with statically linked code if the module
is enabled load the dll at runtime. They can also serve as a shim
between a C application that needs to interact with a C++/COM library,
or other uses.
I do worry when I attempt to install an application and have to go out
and get Framework 3.5. It\'s now a standalone product but at least it
will be supported until 2028 unlie 4, 4.5, and 4.5.1. Sort of like XP
and 7 it just won\'t go away.
On 6/11/22 21:39, rbowman wrote:
On 06/11/2022 07:16 PM, corvid wrote:
On 6/11/22 15:22,lying attic dweller John Doe wrote:
Don\'t know why it persists, but...
I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I\'ve read
plenty about hardware installation problems. I have never even
heard of poking around for a \"bigger\" Windows DLL file that
might solve a hardware installation problem.
You\'re too stupid to find solutions.
Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation
to some discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing
that... Unlikely.
Since the original poster is admittedly \"far from a windows
freak\", it should not be looking around for a \"bigger\" DLL (but
seriously), and my phrase \"without good cause\" is close enough.
Your phrase doesn\'t fit anything that\'s been discussed. Idiot.
https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-f
iles-2624455
\"DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft,
sometimes it\'s not. Many companies create DLL files as part of
their software packages.\"
Confirms exactly what I wrote.
Used correctly they are handy. We have several optional modules.
Rather than burdening the executable with statically linked code
if the module is enabled load the dll at runtime. They can also
serve as a shim between a C application that needs to interact
with a C++/COM library, or other uses.
I do worry when I attempt to install an application and have to
go out and get Framework 3.5. It\'s now a standalone product but
at least it will be supported until 2028 unlie 4, 4.5, and 4.5.1.
Sort of like XP and 7 it just won\'t go away.
Whoosh! I barely got any of that.
Win98se was my final Windows, and I\'d still be dual-booting to it
if my old board didn\'t succumb to bad caps.
Began looking at Linux with, uh... Mint8, I think. Helena.
Never had to become proficient with command line, so I didn\'t. The
file system baffles me. I have no idea what\'s under the hood the
way I did with Win98.
Everybody ought to be using Manjaro, with KDE Plasma.
Windows, and MacOS, are comparative crap.
Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.
The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...
corvid wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Don\'t know why it persists, but...
I have had plenty of hardware installation problems. I\'ve read plenty
about hardware installation problems. I have never even heard of
poking around for a \"bigger\" Windows DLL file that might solve a
hardware installation problem.
You\'re too stupid to find solutions.
Maybe the silly poster can enlighten me by providing a citation to
some discussion on a legitimate technical forum about doing that...
Unlikely.
Since the original poster is admittedly \"far from a windows freak\", it
should not be looking around for a \"bigger\" DLL (but seriously), and
my phrase \"without good cause\" is close enough.
Your phrase doesn\'t fit anything that\'s been discussed. Idiot.
https://www.lifewire.com/important-reasons-not-to-download-dll-files-2624455
\"DLL files are created and distributed by companies that develop
software. Sometimes that software company is Microsoft, sometimes it\'s
not. Many companies create DLL files as part of their software
packages.\"
Used correctly they are handy.
We have several optional modules. Rather than burdening the executable
with statically linked code if the module is enabled load the dll at
runtime.
They can also serve as a shim between a C application that needs to
interact with a C++/COM library, or other uses.
I do worry when I attempt to install an application
This nym-shifting troll went off on a tangent about RUNNING PROGRAMS
as opposed to INSTALLING HARDWARE, then it ignored my request to
provide some citation about how manipulating a Windows system DLL
file can somehow increase your chances of successfully installing a
hardware.
Charlie+ wrote:
Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+
stop fooling poor guysDimiter_Popoff <d...@tgi-sci.com> wrote:
Charlie+ wrote:
Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+
of course that\'s good advice.
Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
Try begging.
of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.
That\'s because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
obviously should be functional. That\'s why the suggestion will be
\"reinstall Windows\".
You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been messing
around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The obvious
advice is to reinstall Windows.
I wish you would take that poster\'s good advice. And don\'t forget to
include your \"bigger DLL\" troubleshooting. I\'m serious. I would love to
see what the response is. I\'ve never heard of that, but we learn something
new every day!
Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to technical
discussion about a \"bigger DLL\" file helping with a plug-and-play
installation...
John Doe wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
Charlie+ wrote:
Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+
of course that\'s good advice.
Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
Try begging.
of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.
That\'s because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
obviously should be functional. That\'s why the suggestion will be
\"reinstall Windows\".
You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The
obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.
I wish you would take that poster\'s good advice. And don\'t forget to
include your \"bigger DLL\" troubleshooting. I\'m serious. I would love to
see what the response is. I\'ve never heard of that, but we learn
something new every day!
Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
technical discussion about a \"bigger DLL\" file helping with a
plug-and-play installation...
stop fooling poor guys
He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make
things to work
Easy question Easy solution
a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
Charlie+ wrote:
Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+
of course that\'s good advice.
Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
Try begging.
of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.
That\'s because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
obviously should be functional. That\'s why the suggestion will be
\"reinstall Windows\".
You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The
obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.
I wish you would take that poster\'s good advice. And don\'t forget to
include your \"bigger DLL\" troubleshooting. I\'m serious. I would love to
see what the response is. I\'ve never heard of that, but we learn
something new every day!
Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
technical discussion about a \"bigger DLL\" file helping with a
plug-and-play installation...
stop fooling poor guys
The OP\'s camera \"works with Windows XP\".
USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer..
Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
INSTALLATION.
He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make
things to work
Easy question Easy solution
On a laptop?
There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
Won\'t hurt since that\'s the only use for the laptop.
Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
And stick it in the laptop? Where?
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-0.2678086/
\"Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
need to look on the support page for the laptop\"
That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with the
installation, who knows.
Going to the laptop\'s website to get its drivers is important. Do that
before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying the
service packs).
Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.
The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.
On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 22:02:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
Charlie+ wrote:
Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.genera
l
Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+
of course that\'s good advice.
Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
Try begging.
of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.
That\'s because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
obviously should be functional. That\'s why the suggestion will be
\"reinstall Windows\".
You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The
obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.
I wish you would take that poster\'s good advice. And don\'t forget to
include your \"bigger DLL\" troubleshooting. I\'m serious. I would love t
o
see what the response is. I\'ve never heard of that, but we learn
something new every day!
Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
technical discussion about a \"bigger DLL\" file helping with a
plug-and-play installation...
stop fooling poor guys
The OP\'s camera \"works with Windows XP\".
USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer
.
Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
INSTALLATION.
He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make
things to work
Easy question Easy solution
On a laptop?
There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
Won\'t hurt since that\'s the only use for the laptop.
Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
And stick it in the laptop? Where?
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-0.2
678086/
\"Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
need to look on the support page for the laptop\"
That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with the
installation, who knows.
Going to the laptop\'s website to get its drivers is important. Do that
before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying the
service packs).
Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.
The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.
are you sick or blind ?
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a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 22:02:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
Charlie+ wrote:
Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.genera
l
Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+
of course that\'s good advice.
Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
Try begging.
of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.
That\'s because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art. We
must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
obviously should be functional. That\'s why the suggestion will be
\"reinstall Windows\".
You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... The
obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.
I wish you would take that poster\'s good advice. And don\'t forget to
include your \"bigger DLL\" troubleshooting. I\'m serious. I would love t
o
see what the response is. I\'ve never heard of that, but we learn
something new every day!
Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
technical discussion about a \"bigger DLL\" file helping with a
plug-and-play installation...
stop fooling poor guys
The OP\'s camera \"works with Windows XP\".
USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data transfer
.
Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
INSTALLATION.
He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to make
things to work
Easy question Easy solution
On a laptop?
There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
Won\'t hurt since that\'s the only use for the laptop.
Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
And stick it in the laptop? Where?
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-0.2
678086/
\"Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
need to look on the support page for the laptop\"
That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with the
installation, who knows.
Going to the laptop\'s website to get its drivers is important. Do that
before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying the
service packs).
Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.
The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.
are you sick or blind ?
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Pretending that is a \"PCI controller\" and we have a performance problem (not
an installation problem)...
The reviews are discouraging. You need one with a supplemental power plug..
Seems USB flash drive transfer rates go from about 40 MB per second to about
60 MB per second. On my PC, it\'s ~1 GB per second.
==> Pretending that is a \"PCI controller\"
On 6/10/2022 9:19, Charlie+ wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:33:43 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff
dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote as underneath :
snip
Why not ask in an appropriate ng?
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Still active - you might get
some sensible answers there! C+
Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless, of
the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.
If the old camera not working is a hardware problem, it could as easily be
the laptop. Maybe to do with the USB.
Has the old camera been tried on a different computer? That test might take a
while.
Since the new camera works on a Windows 10 PC, then it\'s probably not the
camera.
I found nothing when searching for that camera plus \"Windows XP\".
Reinstall Windows XP.
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On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 23:42:20 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, 12 June 2022 at 22:02:05 UTC+2, John Doe wrote:
a a <mant...@gmail.com> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
Charlie+ wrote:
Why not ask in an appropriate ng? microsoft.public.windowsxp.gen
era
l
Still active - you might get some sensible answers there! C+
of course that\'s good advice.
Oh I have seen answers on such groups and they are 100% useless,
Try begging.
of the kind unplug it and plug it again etc.
That\'s because installing plug-and-play hardware is more of an art.
We
must assume a good Windows installation and your new hardware which
obviously should be functional. That\'s why the suggestion will be
\"reinstall Windows\".
You said the only use is for that WebCam. You said you have been
messing around, replacing system files. Given those two facts... Th
e
obvious advice is to reinstall Windows.
I wish you would take that poster\'s good advice. And don\'t forget t
o
include your \"bigger DLL\" troubleshooting. I\'m serious. I would lov
e t
o
see what the response is. I\'ve never heard of that, but we learn
something new every day!
Short of that, would be great if somebody could post a link to
technical discussion about a \"bigger DLL\" file helping with a
plug-and-play installation...
stop fooling poor guys
The OP\'s camera \"works with Windows XP\".
USB 2.0 cannot support full HD camera, since has limit on data trans
fer
.
Interesting point, the USB is suspect, but we are talking about
INSTALLATION.
He needs to install USB 3.0 PCI controller supported by Win XP to ma
ke
things to work
Easy question Easy solution
On a laptop?
There is no need to reinstall Windows XP
Won\'t hurt since that\'s the only use for the laptop.
Just buy usb 3.0 PCI controller supported by Windows XP
And stick it in the laptop? Where?
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-windows-xp-support-usb-3-
0.2
678086/
\"Some laptops have a USB 3.0 driver available for windows XP you would
need to look on the support page for the laptop\"
That might be a lead for better performance. It might even help with t
he
installation, who knows.
Going to the laptop\'s website to get its drivers is important. Do that
before and/or after you reinstalling Windows (maybe before applying th
e
service packs).
Microsoft officially rejected to support Windows XP many years ago.
The poster has the brain-cell-killing anti-American virus.
are you sick or blind ?
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-
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Pretending that is a \"PCI controller\" and we have a performance problem (
not
an installation problem)...
The reviews are discouraging. You need one with a supplemental power plug
.
Seems USB flash drive transfer rates go from about 40 MB per second to ab
out
60 MB per second. On my PC, it\'s ~1 GB per second.
==> Pretending that is a \"PCI controller\"
are you retarded ?
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