OT: Other aspects of health

[Ricky C]

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 8:52:30 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 4/2/2020 2:02 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:49:08 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 4/1/2020 6:10 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 6:34:32 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 4/1/2020 2:32 PM, Rick C wrote:

You can't look at a food just one nutrient at a time. All food is calorie limited. That is you can only eat so many calories in a day to match your calorie burn rate. A diet needs to be a mixture of foods that provide the right amounts of nutrients without requiring too many calories being consumed.

You need to separate macros from micros. Macros are Carbs, Protein and
Fat. Then you can break down the micros within those macros.
Take a look at Chronometer, I think it does a great job of giving you
the breakdown of soo many foods. It tells me what I missed in my diet.
With a little more work, I could poke in foods to try to find what foods
I need to get 100% of the micro nutrients I need, but I would probably
go over the carbs and calories I want/need. The multivitamin fills it
all in.
I'm not eating a great deal of meat to get my protein, an occasional
steak and I split 1lb of hamburg into quarters for 4 meals, some
chicken, and a chocolate whey drink.
Fat is from olive oil, eggs, avocado, butter, and sour cream.

I will give you some credit in that you must be eating a much better
diet than the Standard American Diet (SAD). If you compare SAD to the
keto diet, I suggest your better on a Keto diet.


Why do you post in the middle of the post you are replying to without trimming? I almost gave up when I couldn't find your post in the tangle.

You are going at this in a different way. You are eating what you need to eat to be keto. My priority is I don't want to eat meat. I've said that many times. The response was that there are veggies that are "low" in carbs. But it turns out they are low in carbs because they are low in everything (by weight) because the weight is inflated by a high percentage of water.

I'm not just talking about nutrients in general. I'm mainly talking about the fact that if i don't eat meat and get my calories from the huge excess of protein in meat, I can't be keto by eating the veggies you listed. They have more calories in carbs than they do fat and protein combined.

Eating keto means you take in far more protein than you require for nutrition and keep your carb intake low enough that your body is forced to metabolize the protein for energy. This is the literal definition of the keto diet. You can't do that eating the foods you listed other than possibly avocado which is very high in fat (but still doesn't have much protein).

I'm not saying anything about the keto diet one way or the other. I'm just saying I can't do it without eating a lot of meat and I don't want to do that right now.

On a humorous note, a friend would come by and always bring something.. So he brings a pound of bacon one day. I point out to him that I mostly eat veggie and he says to put it in the freezer. lol So I did thinking someone might eat it eventually. A few years later I was cleaning out the freezer and found it. So I said the pig had been dead long enough that I was eating it. I fried up the whole pound in two batches and had a skillet FULL of grease. Ever hear of fried bread? I'd only heard of it on TV. So I cut off a slice of bread and fried it up in the grease and it was great! The fat doesn't soak in because of the moisture boiling out. It tastes like toast with bacon grease rather than butter, very good. lol

A few weeks after bringing the bacon he brought turkey bacon thinking that would be better, lol. Still in the freezer. Maybe some day I'll have some bread I don't know what to do with and have turkey fried bread.

BTW, I don't think my diet is any better than what you call the SAD. I just don't eat the meat. I eat way too much peanut butter and far too little fruits. Even though fruits don't have much nutrition, they have significant amounts of some nutrients that are otherwise hard to come by, like vit C. I think I read that broccoli has significant quantities though. But you need to have vit C every day, it's water soluble, so orange/grapefruit juice is a good daily drink. Watch out for grapefruit juice though. It can much with the absorption of some medicines. I think it actually enhances the absorption so it can result in overdoses. Seems it interferes with an enzyme that limits the absorption or breaks down some medicines in the gut... something like that. So go with the OJ every day.

How do you get your vit C, a pill? Nothing wrong with that.


You said, "Eating keto means you take in far more protein than you
require for nutrition and keep your carb intake low enough that your
body is forced to metabolize the protein for energy. This is the
literal definition of the keto diet."

I disagree, Keto high fat, medium protein and low carbs. The Macros
have a range, depending on if you want fat loss or if you are trying to
build muscle. 65% to 80% of your calories from Fat, 15% to 30% Protein
and 5% carbs. Keep in mind fat is 9 calories per gram and the other 4
calories per gram.

Nothing you wrote contradicts what I wrote, in fact you support my statements.

Let's say I'm a typical male, 150 lbs/68 kg. My calorie needs are around 2000. 15% of that is 300 which equals 75 g. The dietary requirement for protein is 0.8 g/kg or 54 g. So your low end protein intake is 50% above the structural protein requirement being burned for energy, not used to build the body. If the amount of protein burned for energy is high enough the body secretes enough ketones to be considered in "ketosis". Your upper level of protein intake is 3 times the RDA, so ketosis in spades.


Yes, I am taking a Vit C supplement.

If you have Glucose concerns, orange juice will spike your Glucose,
the friend you mentioned, should not drink it.

My friend has things very well under control. Not sure about orange juice, but he says eating fruits don't don't spike his blood sugar. He thinks it's because there's not actually a lot of sugar in fruits, as I've pointed out, they are mostly water.


Many are coming to
recognize the Diabetes association diet recommendations are really poor
advice for diabetics. I read they have recently made some changes to
their recommendations, but have not yet said, some diabetics can get off
insulin if the are on a strict Keto diet.

Authorities in many areas are off the mark.


As I understand it, grapefruit reduces the livers ability to
metabolize drugs, thus they stick around longer and the levels can
build up.

What I read had to do with the absorption in the intestines. An enzyme in your gut degrades various drugs or prevents absorption (can't remember which) and something in the grapefruit juice interferes with that. This was from when I was taking a drug and did some research into it. There was a food supplement that was prescription only which had an augmentation effect on the drug I was taking. In reading about that I found out about the grapefruit thing which applies to multiple drugs.


As with all of the biological stuff, it's complicated!
Both the gut and the liver have the CYP3A4 enzyme. Grapefruit
interferes with CYP3A4 action. And, depending on what drug the CYP3A4 is
reacting with, it can up or down regulate.

"Although CYP3A4 is predominantly found in the liver, it is also present
in other organs and tissues of the body, where it may play an important
role in metabolism. CYP3A4 in the intestine plays an important role in
the metabolism of certain drugs."

Looking it up, this enzyme is present in the epithelial cells of the gut. There a portion of the drug is metabolized before it enters the blood stream. I suppose the importance of the enzyme in the two locations would depend on the presence of the polyphenols in grapefruit and possibly other citrus fruit. If the polyphenols are not as present in the liver, the enzymes there would still be active.

In any event, the enzymes in the gut will prevent some portion of the drug from entering the bloodstream so interference with that will be what raises the amount entering the bloodstream. The enzyme in the liver removes the drug from the bloodstream so will have more of an impact on the time to clear the drug from your system. This can still result in excessive levels when consuming grapefruit since the drug has not cleared as expected before taking another dose.

--

Rick C.

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Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:4d4c07fb-0450-43e7-81fc-cd15f24d04d9@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:09:21 AM UTC+11,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:b7617ebe-e338-489b-9a02-7ed0d878c9a9@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:49:16 UTC+1, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

snip

Christ you're stupid. If you wanted to discover something about
it you'd at least refrain from being a stupid jerk then people
would continue to explain, but that is beyond you. Bye bye.

Well, that doesn't sound like purring at all.

NT is a waste of space. He wants a platform where he can
pontificate and be taken seriously, but he doesn't know enough to
have anything useful to say,and gets resentful when this pointed
out.

You are like an arrogant *and* bad lead guitarist.

We ALL have skills. The place doesn't really need a shop cop.

No need to continually try to break up the band.

 

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in news:r68ius$1kdr$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:4d4c07fb-0450-43e7-81fc-cd15f24d04d9@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:09:21 AM UTC+11,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:b7617ebe-e338-489b-9a02-7ed0d878c9a9@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:49:16 UTC+1, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

snip

Christ you're stupid. If you wanted to discover something about
it you'd at least refrain from being a stupid jerk then people
would continue to explain, but that is beyond you. Bye bye.

Well, that doesn't sound like purring at all.

NT is a waste of space. He wants a platform where he can
pontificate and be taken seriously, but he doesn't know enough to
have anything useful to say,and gets resentful when this pointed
out.


You are like an arrogant *and* bad lead guitarist.

We ALL have skills. The place doesn't really need a shop cop.

No need to continually try to break up the band.

If nobody noticed, this is a "I think we are all bozos on this
bus" post.

Essentially if we all stopped jacking off at the mouth with all this
mental masturbation, the group would get along a lot better, and
there would not be so much slimey brain spooge all over the place.

Ain't a goddamned one of us perfect, so shut the fuck up, y'all.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 11:04:51 AM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:4d4c07fb-0450-43e7-81fc-cd15f24d04d9@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:09:21 AM UTC+11,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
news:b7617ebe-e338-489b-9a02-7ed0d878c9a9@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:49:16 UTC+1, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

snip

Christ you're stupid. If you wanted to discover something about
it you'd at least refrain from being a stupid jerk then people
would continue to explain, but that is beyond you. Bye bye.

Well, that doesn't sound like purring at all.

NT is a waste of space. He wants a platform where he can
pontificate and be taken seriously, but he doesn't know enough to
have anything useful to say,and gets resentful when this pointed
out.


You are like an arrogant *and* bad lead guitarist.

We ALL have skills. The place doesn't really need a shop cop.

No need to continually try to break up the band.

NT plays off key.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Friday, 3 April 2020 15:27:10 UTC+1, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:09:21 AM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in
news:b7617ebe-e338-489b-9a02-7ed0d878c9a9@googlegroups.com:
On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:49:16 UTC+1, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

snip

Christ you're stupid. If you wanted to discover something about it
you'd at least refrain from being a stupid jerk then people would
continue to explain, but that is beyond you. Bye bye.

Well, that doesn't sound like purring at all.

NT is a waste of space. He wants a platform where he can pontificate and be taken seriously, but he doesn't know enough to have anything useful to say,and gets resentful when this pointed out.

I'm beginning to think narcissists are like hurt little children that never moved on.


NT

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:54:00 PM UTC+10, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, 3 April 2020 15:27:10 UTC+1, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 1:09:21 AM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in
news:b7617ebe-e338-489b-9a02-7ed0d878c9a9@googlegroups.com:
On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:49:16 UTC+1, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-4, tabby wrote:

snip

Christ you're stupid. If you wanted to discover something about it
you'd at least refrain from being a stupid jerk then people would
continue to explain, but that is beyond you. Bye bye.

Well, that doesn't sound like purring at all.

NT is a waste of space. He wants a platform where he can pontificate and be taken seriously, but he doesn't know enough to have anything useful to say,and gets resentful when this pointed out.

I'm beginning to think narcissists are like hurt little children that never moved on.

NT would know about that, as much as he knows about anything.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Fri, 03 Apr 2020 03:41:08 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

Christ you're stupid. If you wanted to discover something about it you'd
at least refrain from being a stupid jerk then people would continue to
explain, but that is beyond you. Bye bye.

"Please don't feed the trolls."