OT: Other aspects of health

[amdx]

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of protein, but was generally under 30 grams.
The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

Mikek

 

[amdx]

On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:
During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19..
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams..
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins? 30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

When digging into the nutritional value of foods one thing that surprised me was that fruits are actually pretty unbalanced. They are mostly sugar and water with some specific vitamins... sometimes. For example, figs are terrible food nutritionally, mostly sugar and water.

While vegetables typically are protein sufficient, fruits are not. They are low in fats, proteins, vitamins and often not much in the way of minerals.. But other than figs, each one has something in abundant supply such as vitamin C in citrus, potassium in bananas, etc. The trouble is the sugar content. So as in all things, moderation.

I don't know how you can live without veggies. I can see cutting out the processed foods like bread, etc. But I hate going to a restaurant where they barely have a green veggie on the menu. Too many people want too much "comfort" food.

--

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On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers..

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

> 30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn) are best avoided.

When digging into the nutritional value of foods one thing that surprised me was that fruits are actually pretty unbalanced. They are mostly sugar and water with some specific vitamins... sometimes. For example, figs are terrible food nutritionally, mostly sugar and water.

While vegetables typically are protein sufficient, fruits are not. They are low in fats, proteins, vitamins and often not much in the way of minerals. But other than figs, each one has something in abundant supply such as vitamin C in citrus, potassium in bananas, etc. The trouble is the sugar content. So as in all things, moderation.

Berry fruits are around 5% carb, others are generally high & thus mostly excluded.

> I don't know how you can live without veggies.

Keto diet is mostly veg. There are lots of ways to do veg, no need for boredom.

> I can see cutting out the processed foods like bread, etc. But I hate going to a restaurant where they barely have a green veggie on the menu. Too many people want too much "comfort" food.

ie high carb food. All the 'I really want this junk' desires normally disappear when people go keto.


NT

 

[amdx]

On 3/27/2020 1:14 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:
During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins? 30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one >serving a day.

It is a challenge, and I'm not good at it yet. There are several
veggies you can eat and because they have non digestible fiber, 10 grams
counts a little less. I use a program/app called Chronometer to keep
track of all my food intake, (I weigh all my food). I do take a
multivitamin daily.
3 oz of lettuce or romaine is only 1 gram of Carbs, 1.2oz of
cauliflower is 1 gram of carb, 1 oz of broccoli is 1 gram of carb,
3- 7" celery stalks is 1 gram of carb, 3 med spears of asparagus is 1
carb, 1oz of cabbage is 1 gram of carbs, 2.7oz of spinach is 1 gram of
carb, 1 avocado is 2.4 grams of carbs.
So it can be done, it's just not easy.

When digging into the nutritional value of foods one thing that surprised me was that fruits are actually pretty unbalanced. They are mostly sugar and water with some specific vitamins... sometimes. For example, figs are terrible food nutritionally, mostly sugar and water.

While vegetables typically are protein sufficient, fruits are not. They are low in fats, proteins, vitamins and often not much in the way of minerals. But other than figs, each one has something in abundant supply such as vitamin C in citrus, potassium in bananas, etc. The trouble is the sugar content. So as in all things, moderation.

I don't know how you can live without veggies. I can see cutting out the processed foods like bread, etc. But I hate going to a restaurant where they barely have a green veggie on the menu. Too many people want too much "comfort" food.

I'm at the end of 8 weeks and I am losing my interest, weighing
everything is a pain and because this last week I lost 7 lbs. I thought
I had plateaued. I weigh every Sunday and I lost 7 lbs, I didn't believe
it, I thought the scale had a problem, so I drive to another one and it
was 1/4 lb lower. I have also been doing 8hr eating window 16 hr fast.
I'm going skip the fast and get some more calories.
But the blood test results were fantastic.
Mikek

 

[amdx]

On 3/30/2020 5:31 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn) are best avoided.

When digging into the nutritional value of foods one thing that surprised me was that fruits are actually pretty unbalanced. They are mostly sugar and water with some specific vitamins... sometimes. For example, figs are terrible food nutritionally, mostly sugar and water.

While vegetables typically are protein sufficient, fruits are not. They are low in fats, proteins, vitamins and often not much in the way of minerals. But other than figs, each one has something in abundant supply such as vitamin C in citrus, potassium in bananas, etc. The trouble is the sugar content. So as in all things, moderation.

Berry fruits are around 5% carb, others are generally high & thus mostly excluded.

I don't know how you can live without veggies.

Keto diet is mostly veg. There are lots of ways to do veg, no need for boredom.

Keto is mostly fat. You get 70% to 80% of your calories from fat.
Medium protein and low carbs.

I can see cutting out the processed foods like bread, etc. But I hate going to a restaurant where they barely have a green veggie on the menu. Too many people want too much "comfort" food.

ie high carb food. All the 'I really want this junk' desires normally disappear when people go keto.

I agree with that, I have very little hunger while on keto.

Mikek

 

[amdx]

On 3/30/2020 5:58 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:31:22 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn) are best avoided.

(171 gram) of boiled pinto beans offers Carbs: 45 grams

There are others, but you must be considering the proportion by weight. Most veggies are mostly water. The largest percentage of calories come from carbs. So it is hard to eat much of your calories from veggies and keep keto. Maybe you can get by with some veggies in your diet, but mostly it has to be meat and refined items like fats.

What would a non-meat keto diet look like?

A friend needed to cut his glycemic intake and complained that after a few days he dreamed of eating donuts. This is not a tubbo in any way. He was just sugar deprived and had a hard time figuring out how to reduce his blood sugar. Even eating 100% rye bread (which is not so appealing) would spike his blood sugar.

Extreme diets in general are not so good for you. I haven't found anything saying a keto diet is harmful, but I haven't looked all that hard either.

Do some followup research, lots of diabetics on keto have stopped
their insulin.
Here's a article that not hype.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317431#the-ketogenic-diet-and-diabetes
Read to the end.

> https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/with-diabetes-medications

Mikek

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:31:22 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn) are best avoided.

(171 gram) of boiled pinto beans offers Carbs: 45 grams

There are others, but you must be considering the proportion by weight. Most veggies are mostly water. The largest percentage of calories come from carbs. So it is hard to eat much of your calories from veggies and keep keto. Maybe you can get by with some veggies in your diet, but mostly it has to be meat and refined items like fats.

What would a non-meat keto diet look like?

A friend needed to cut his glycemic intake and complained that after a few days he dreamed of eating donuts. This is not a tubbo in any way. He was just sugar deprived and had a hard time figuring out how to reduce his blood sugar. Even eating 100% rye bread (which is not so appealing) would spike his blood sugar.

Extreme diets in general are not so good for you. I haven't found anything saying a keto diet is harmful, but I haven't looked all that hard either.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-03-30 19:44, amdx wrote:

On 3/30/2020 5:58 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:31:22 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C  wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and
I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
   I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

   I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30
grams.
    The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to
have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower
count
and this has less danger.
    It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr
fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
   Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                                 Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

                                                     Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low
carb diets.  I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm
not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient
vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

30 grams is roughly an ounce.  With just an ounce of carbs how much
veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces?  That's not even
one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn)
are best avoided.

(171 gram) of boiled pinto beans offers  Carbs: 45 grams

There are others, but you must be considering the proportion by
weight.  Most veggies are mostly water.  The largest percentage of
calories come from carbs.  So it is hard to eat much of your calories
from veggies and keep keto.  Maybe you can get by with some veggies in
your diet, but mostly it has to be meat and refined items like fats.

What would a non-meat keto diet look like?

A friend needed to cut his glycemic intake and complained that after a
few days he dreamed of eating donuts.  This is not a tubbo in any
way.  He was just sugar deprived and had a hard time figuring out how
to reduce his blood sugar.  Even eating 100% rye bread (which is not
so appealing) would spike his blood sugar.

Extreme diets in general are not so good for you.  I haven't found
anything saying a keto diet is harmful, but I haven't looked all that
hard either.


 Do some followup research, lots of diabetics on keto have stopped
their insulin.
 Here's a article that not hype.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317431#the-ketogenic-diet-and-diabetes

 Read to the end.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/with-diabetes-medications

                                                         Mikek

Low-carb diets were the standard treatment before Jenner et al.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:28:26 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 3/27/2020 1:14 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:
During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins? 30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one >serving a day.

It is a challenge, and I'm not good at it yet. There are several
veggies you can eat and because they have non digestible fiber, 10 grams
counts a little less.

I'm unclear, does the fiber enter into this as a carb you don't need to count?

I use a program/app called Chronometer to keep
track of all my food intake, (I weigh all my food). I do take a
multivitamin daily.
3 oz of lettuce or romaine is only 1 gram of Carbs,

It also has only 10 calories most of which are carbs. This is another water food only providing vitamin K in useful amounts.


> 1.2oz of cauliflower is 1 gram of carb,

Another water vegetable with only 5 g of carbs and 2 g of protein in 100 grams. The rest is mostly water.


> 1 oz of broccoli is 1 gram of carb,

Same story a cup (91 g) only providing 2% of the daily calorie intake and 5% of the protein. A tasty food, but not the type of veggie you can limit yourself to unless you want to eat a LOT of it. A single serving is good for Vit C, K and folate though.

3- 7" celery stalks is 1 gram of carb,
3 med spears of asparagus is 1 carb,
1oz of cabbage is 1 gram of carbs,
2.7oz of spinach is 1 gram of carb,

The list goes on. These foods are all similar with a high water content the actual amount of most nutrients is low in a serving other than vitamin K and folate. The total amount of nutrients (carb, fat, protein) in these veggies is less than 10%. Compare to beans, potatoes and beef which have much higher ratios of nutrition to total weight. Or better yet, don't compare by weight. Look at the nutritional value of the servings you are suggesting.


> 1 avocado is 2.4 grams of carbs.

This one is different with a much higher percentage non-carb to carb calories... because they are full of fat. Mono-saturated, but also lots of omega-6 which is not so good for you.


> So it can be done, it's just not easy.

It might be possible, but getting proper nutrition is not so easy when you limit yourself in carb intake. Most meats are not nutritionally complete. A variety of veggies are needed to be fully nutritious. That is very hard to do when restricting carbs.

When digging into the nutritional value of foods one thing that surprised me was that fruits are actually pretty unbalanced. They are mostly sugar and water with some specific vitamins... sometimes. For example, figs are terrible food nutritionally, mostly sugar and water.

While vegetables typically are protein sufficient, fruits are not. They are low in fats, proteins, vitamins and often not much in the way of minerals. But other than figs, each one has something in abundant supply such as vitamin C in citrus, potassium in bananas, etc. The trouble is the sugar content. So as in all things, moderation.

I don't know how you can live without veggies. I can see cutting out the processed foods like bread, etc. But I hate going to a restaurant where they barely have a green veggie on the menu. Too many people want too much "comfort" food.


I'm at the end of 8 weeks and I am losing my interest, weighing
everything is a pain and because this last week I lost 7 lbs. I thought
I had plateaued. I weigh every Sunday and I lost 7 lbs, I didn't believe
it, I thought the scale had a problem, so I drive to another one and it
was 1/4 lb lower. I have also been doing 8hr eating window 16 hr fast.
I'm going skip the fast and get some more calories.
But the blood test results were fantastic.

I would love to lose 30 lbs., but I'm not going to wreck my nutrition to do it.

You shouldn't need a scale to tell that you've lost weight. Actually weight shouldn't be your goal, losing body fat should be the goal and I find I tend to exercise more when dieting and gain muscle which can even reverse the weight direction, but I end up feeling great. All my clothes fit so much better too.

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[amdx]

On 3/30/2020 8:06 PM, Rick C wrote:

It is a challenge, and I'm not good at it yet. There are several
veggies you can eat and because they have non digestible fiber, 10 grams
counts a little less.

I'm unclear, does the fiber enter into this as a carb you don't need to count?

This might help make it clear,
> https://dtc.ucsf.edu/living-with-diabetes/diet-and-nutrition/understanding-carbohydrates/counting-carbohydrates/learning-to-read-labels/understanding-fiber/

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:54:01 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 3/30/2020 8:06 PM, Rick C wrote:

It is a challenge, and I'm not good at it yet. There are several
veggies you can eat and because they have non digestible fiber, 10 grams
counts a little less.

I'm unclear, does the fiber enter into this as a carb you don't need to count?


This might help make it clear,
https://dtc.ucsf.edu/living-with-diabetes/diet-and-nutrition/understanding-carbohydrates/counting-carbohydrates/learning-to-read-labels/understanding-fiber/

All you needed to say was, "yes". But thanks, that does explain it a little. Seems fiber is not digestible. I guess I knew that, but never considered the impact on the carb count. Now I know.

Not sure this has much impact on the results. Most of these foods produce most of their calories from the carbs even without the fiber content. So no matter how you measure them, the nutrition to carb ratio is low and the carb to calorie ratio is high making it very hard to eat low carb and high nutrition while eating sufficient calories. Other than eating processed extracts, I don't see how you can meet your dietary needs on a veggie but low carb diet.

Looking at the carb to weight ratios is of little utility.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 4:49:59 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 3/31/2020 11:57 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:54:01 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/30/2020 8:06 PM, Rick C wrote:

It is a challenge, and I'm not good at it yet. There are several
veggies you can eat and because they have non digestible fiber, 10 grams
counts a little less.

I'm unclear, does the fiber enter into this as a carb you don't need to count?


This might help make it clear,
https://dtc.ucsf.edu/living-with-diabetes/diet-and-nutrition/understanding-carbohydrates/counting-carbohydrates/learning-to-read-labels/understanding-fiber/

All you needed to say was, "yes". But thanks, that does explain it a little. Seems fiber is not digestible. I guess I knew that, but never considered the impact on the carb count. Now I know.

Not sure this has much impact on the results. Most of these foods produce most of their calories from the carbs even without the fiber content. So no matter how you measure them, the nutrition to carb ratio is low and the carb to calorie ratio is high making it very hard to eat low carb and high nutrition while eating sufficient calories. Other than eating processed extracts, I don't see how you can meet your dietary needs on a veggie but low carb diet.

Looking at the carb to weight ratios is of little utility.

That's why I like Chronometer.

There are people living a full life on meat and fat only.

I'm sure there are, but I have no interest in that.

I'm working to increase the micro nutrients and minerals I get from
food, but taking 1 multivitamin, goes along way. We can leave for others
whether the multivitamin is a good way to get vitamins and minerals.
I find I'm not getting enough Potassium, so I got a salt substitute to
help that. Phosphorus, calcium and sometimes copper is low. And usually
my Omega 3 and Omega 6.
This data is from Chronometer.
BTW, I went to the doc this morning, after reviewing my Blood tests he
said keep doing what your doing. After some discussion, I ask what he
thought about Metformin, he said it a great drug! I have been reading
about a lot of DRs and researchers taking it. So I ask if he would put
me on it. He did, after telling my he takes it and Resveratrol, MNM and
Tumeric.
The Metformin has studies showing reduced cancer, alzheimers, Cardio
Vascular disease, Atherosclerosis, inflamation and decreased ageing.
Oh, and reduced Prostate cancer and even possible shrinking of prostate BPH.

Here's one of hundreds of Metformin papers.
https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/diabetes/news/print/endocrine-today/%7B3d599445-6a21-46c9-b694-7d91409a503f%7D/beyond-diabetes-metformin-may-prove-to-be-a-wonder-drug

OK, I'm a little excited about things lately!

That's a good thing.



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[amdx]

On 3/31/2020 11:57 AM, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 7:54:01 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/30/2020 8:06 PM, Rick C wrote:

It is a challenge, and I'm not good at it yet. There are several
veggies you can eat and because they have non digestible fiber, 10 grams
counts a little less.

I'm unclear, does the fiber enter into this as a carb you don't need to count?


This might help make it clear,
https://dtc.ucsf.edu/living-with-diabetes/diet-and-nutrition/understanding-carbohydrates/counting-carbohydrates/learning-to-read-labels/understanding-fiber/

All you needed to say was, "yes". But thanks, that does explain it a little. Seems fiber is not digestible. I guess I knew that, but never considered the impact on the carb count. Now I know.

Not sure this has much impact on the results. Most of these foods produce most of their calories from the carbs even without the fiber content. So no matter how you measure them, the nutrition to carb ratio is low and the carb to calorie ratio is high making it very hard to eat low carb and high nutrition while eating sufficient calories. Other than eating processed extracts, I don't see how you can meet your dietary needs on a veggie but low carb diet.

Looking at the carb to weight ratios is of little utility.

That's why I like Chronometer.

There are people living a full life on meat and fat only.

I'm working to increase the micro nutrients and minerals I get from
food, but taking 1 multivitamin, goes along way. We can leave for others
whether the multivitamin is a good way to get vitamins and minerals.
I find I'm not getting enough Potassium, so I got a salt substitute to
help that. Phosphorus, calcium and sometimes copper is low. And usually
my Omega 3 and Omega 6.
This data is from Chronometer.
BTW, I went to the doc this morning, after reviewing my Blood tests he
said keep doing what your doing. After some discussion, I ask what he
thought about Metformin, he said it a great drug! I have been reading
about a lot of DRs and researchers taking it. So I ask if he would put
me on it. He did, after telling my he takes it and Resveratrol, MNM and
Tumeric.
The Metformin has studies showing reduced cancer, alzheimers, Cardio
Vascular disease, Atherosclerosis, inflamation and decreased ageing.
Oh, and reduced Prostate cancer and even possible shrinking of prostate BPH.

Here's one of hundreds of Metformin papers.
> https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/diabetes/news/print/endocrine-today/%7B3d599445-6a21-46c9-b694-7d91409a503f%7D/beyond-diabetes-metformin-may-prove-to-be-a-wonder-drug

OK, I'm a little excited about things lately!

Mikek

 

On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:06:12 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:28:26 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/27/2020 1:14 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

3 oz of lettuce or romaine is only 1 gram of Carbs,

It also has only 10 calories most of which are carbs. This is another water food only providing vitamin K in useful amounts.


1.2oz of cauliflower is 1 gram of carb,

Another water vegetable with only 5 g of carbs and 2 g of protein in 100 grams. The rest is mostly water.


1 oz of broccoli is 1 gram of carb,

Same story a cup (91 g) only providing 2% of the daily calorie intake and 5% of the protein. A tasty food, but not the type of veggie you can limit yourself to unless you want to eat a LOT of it. A single serving is good for Vit C, K and folate though.


3- 7" celery stalks is 1 gram of carb,
3 med spears of asparagus is 1 carb,
1oz of cabbage is 1 gram of carbs,
2.7oz of spinach is 1 gram of carb,

The list goes on. These foods are all similar with a high water content the actual amount of most nutrients is low in a serving other than vitamin K and folate. The total amount of nutrients (carb, fat, protein) in these veggies is less than 10%. Compare to beans, potatoes and beef which have much higher ratios of nutrition to total weight. Or better yet, don't compare by weight. Look at the nutritional value of the servings you are suggesting.

Carbs per 100g are what count, as total veg quantity is the deciding factor on veg intake.

1 avocado is 2.4 grams of carbs.

This one is different with a much higher percentage non-carb to carb calories... because they are full of fat. Mono-saturated, but also lots of omega-6 which is not so good for you.


So it can be done, it's just not easy.

It might be possible, but getting proper nutrition is not so easy when you limit yourself in carb intake.

it's trivial

> Most meats are not nutritionally complete. A variety of veggies are needed to be fully nutritious. That is very hard to do when restricting carbs..

it's trivial

I would love to lose 30 lbs., but I'm not going to wreck my nutrition to do it.

You shouldn't need a scale to tell that you've lost weight. Actually weight shouldn't be your goal, losing body fat should be the goal and I find I tend to exercise more when dieting and gain muscle which can even reverse the weight direction, but I end up feeling great. All my clothes fit so much better too.

Keto does improve weight but it goes a lot further for health than that.


NT

 

On Monday, 30 March 2020 23:58:20 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:31:22 PM UTC-4, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn) are best avoided.

(171 gram) of boiled pinto beans offers Carbs: 45 grams

There are others, but you must be considering the proportion by weight. Most veggies are mostly water. The largest percentage of calories come from carbs. So it is hard to eat much of your calories from veggies and keep keto. Maybe you can get by with some veggies in your diet, but mostly it has to be meat and refined items like fats.

that is completely confused

> What would a non-meat keto diet look like?

I don't know if you mean pescetarian, vegetarian, or not a meat only diet


> A friend needed to cut his glycemic intake and complained that after a few days he dreamed of eating donuts. This is not a tubbo in any way. He was just sugar deprived and had a hard time figuring out how to reduce his blood sugar. Even eating 100% rye bread (which is not so appealing) would spike his blood sugar.

of course, all carbs turn to sugar


> Extreme diets in general are not so good for you.

Those that prescribe them & have benefitted from them might say otherwise


> I haven't found anything saying a keto diet is harmful, but I haven't looked all that hard either.

You sure haven't. There's an army of people saying it's terrible, but in reality a lot of people have solved a lot of quite serious medical problems with a keto diet.


NT

 

On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 00:28:26 UTC+1, amdx wrote:

On 3/27/2020 1:14 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins? 30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one >serving a day.

It is a challenge, and I'm not good at it yet. There are several
veggies you can eat and because they have non digestible fiber, 10 grams
counts a little less. I use a program/app called Chronometer to keep
track of all my food intake, (I weigh all my food). I do take a
multivitamin daily.
3 oz of lettuce or romaine is only 1 gram of Carbs, 1.2oz of
cauliflower is 1 gram of carb, 1 oz of broccoli is 1 gram of carb,
3- 7" celery stalks is 1 gram of carb, 3 med spears of asparagus is 1
carb, 1oz of cabbage is 1 gram of carbs, 2.7oz of spinach is 1 gram of
carb, 1 avocado is 2.4 grams of carbs.
So it can be done, it's just not easy.

yes it is What people find difficult is the transition from SAD, keto eating requires a different approach. An easy as pie way to start with is to get enough fat & protein from meat/fish/egg/cheese then add enough veg to fill you up. Tweak from there to perfect & increase variety.

Don't overlook getting enough salt & potassium, low salt thing causes symptoms for some keto beginners (keto flu etc). Keto requires more salt than SAD.

I'm at the end of 8 weeks and I am losing my interest, weighing
everything is a pain and because this last week I lost 7 lbs. I thought
I had plateaued. I weigh every Sunday and I lost 7 lbs, I didn't believe
it, I thought the scale had a problem, so I drive to another one and it
was 1/4 lb lower. I have also been doing 8hr eating window 16 hr fast.
I'm going skip the fast and get some more calories.
But the blood test results were fantastic.
Mikek

16 hour daily fast really helps with the results and is practical once you get the diet right. If you're finding it a struggle you might need to look at carb & fat intake, then whether you have enough veg.


NT

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:51:41 AM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 30 March 2020 23:58:20 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:31:22 PM UTC-4, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn) are best avoided.

(171 gram) of boiled pinto beans offers Carbs: 45 grams

There are others, but you must be considering the proportion by weight. Most veggies are mostly water. The largest percentage of calories come from carbs. So it is hard to eat much of your calories from veggies and keep keto. Maybe you can get by with some veggies in your diet, but mostly it has to be meat and refined items like fats.

that is completely confused

No, it is completely realistic. You can't look at a food just one nutrient at a time. All food is calorie limited. That is you can only eat so many calories in a day to match your calorie burn rate. A diet needs to be a mixture of foods that provide the right amounts of nutrients without requiring too many calories being consumed.

So looking at carbs per weight is meaningless if it is light in the other nutrients as well. That is a food that is water heavy and nutrient light. Eating a portion based on weight because it keeps your carbs low means it doesn't provide much other nutrients, so you might as well not eat it unless it is rich in some particular nutrient.

As I pointed out about the only nutrients these foods are high in are vit K and folates. Don't focus on weight of the portion. Worry about the nutrients.

What would a non-meat keto diet look like?

I don't know if you mean pescetarian, vegetarian, or not a meat only diet

Vegetarian or even vegan. That was my original point, everyone I know who is on this diet eats lots of meat. I don't. I eat seafood, but I'd like to cut that out. The only real problem is I have a killer shrimp recipe for the grill.

A friend needed to cut his glycemic intake and complained that after a few days he dreamed of eating donuts. This is not a tubbo in any way. He was just sugar deprived and had a hard time figuring out how to reduce his blood sugar. Even eating 100% rye bread (which is not so appealing) would spike his blood sugar.

of course, all carbs turn to sugar

The focus is on processed white flour, etc. The problem is not having the carbs, but how quickly they turn to sugar. Complex carbs are supposed to be ok. My friend's issue was pretty severe.

Extreme diets in general are not so good for you.

Those that prescribe them & have benefitted from them might say otherwise


I haven't found anything saying a keto diet is harmful, but I haven't looked all that hard either.

You sure haven't. There's an army of people saying it's terrible, but in reality a lot of people have solved a lot of quite serious medical problems with a keto diet.

I'm not talking about people who just rant. I mean something verifiable. It's one of those things that picks up a LOT of noise and very little signal. I'm not interested enough to weed through all the crap. I did that for the protein thing and found that other than a handful of particular veggies (like sweet potatoes) you can eat 100% of a single vegetable (white potato for example) and without going over your caloric intake you will fill your protein requirements 100% including all the essential amino acids. There is no reason to think of veggies as "inferior" protein sources unless you are body building and even then, the protein supplements they typically take are made from veggies too.

It took a LOT of work to thoroughly research that and prove to myself that it was true. I had to track down the essential amino acid levels in a number of foods (often provided in different measures) along with the calorie content and RDAs and do my own calculations.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 5:35:15 AM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:06:12 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:28:26 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/27/2020 1:14 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

3 oz of lettuce or romaine is only 1 gram of Carbs,

It also has only 10 calories most of which are carbs. This is another water food only providing vitamin K in useful amounts.


1.2oz of cauliflower is 1 gram of carb,

Another water vegetable with only 5 g of carbs and 2 g of protein in 100 grams. The rest is mostly water.


1 oz of broccoli is 1 gram of carb,

Same story a cup (91 g) only providing 2% of the daily calorie intake and 5% of the protein. A tasty food, but not the type of veggie you can limit yourself to unless you want to eat a LOT of it. A single serving is good for Vit C, K and folate though.


3- 7" celery stalks is 1 gram of carb,
3 med spears of asparagus is 1 carb,
1oz of cabbage is 1 gram of carbs,
2.7oz of spinach is 1 gram of carb,

The list goes on. These foods are all similar with a high water content the actual amount of most nutrients is low in a serving other than vitamin K and folate. The total amount of nutrients (carb, fat, protein) in these veggies is less than 10%. Compare to beans, potatoes and beef which have much higher ratios of nutrition to total weight. Or better yet, don't compare by weight. Look at the nutritional value of the servings you are suggesting.

Carbs per 100g are what count, as total veg quantity is the deciding factor on veg intake.

100 g of what? So water is an important part of the veggie?

Who cares how much the food weighs??? What is important is the nutrition content. I saw in your other posts you talk about "filling up" on veg. Are you talking about fiber? Then why not focus on the carb/fiber ratio rather than the water weight?

Look at the nutrition content in veggies vs. meat. Veggies are a combo of carb, protein and varying amounts of fat. But the total of these three to the total weight of the food is low in veggies (<10 to ~20%) and even lower in fruits. Meet is usually protein and fat with very little carb and over 30% of the total weight of the food.

Are you only eating the veggies for the carbs?

1 avocado is 2.4 grams of carbs.

This one is different with a much higher percentage non-carb to carb calories... because they are full of fat. Mono-saturated, but also lots of omega-6 which is not so good for you.


So it can be done, it's just not easy.

It might be possible, but getting proper nutrition is not so easy when you limit yourself in carb intake.

it's trivial

Most meats are not nutritionally complete. A variety of veggies are needed to be fully nutritious. That is very hard to do when restricting carbs.

it's trivial


I would love to lose 30 lbs., but I'm not going to wreck my nutrition to do it.

You shouldn't need a scale to tell that you've lost weight. Actually weight shouldn't be your goal, losing body fat should be the goal and I find I tend to exercise more when dieting and gain muscle which can even reverse the weight direction, but I end up feeling great. All my clothes fit so much better too.

Keto does improve weight but it goes a lot further for health than that.

Ok, if you say so. But I didn't see one item of proof. You just make statements without support.

Mike was saying he uses supplements for vitamin and mineral intake. So why eat the veggies at all?

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[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:51:41 PM UTC+11, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 30 March 2020 23:58:20 UTC+1, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:31:22 PM UTC-4, tabby wrote:
On Friday, 27 March 2020 18:14:14 UTC, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:35:16 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/26/2020 2:04 PM, amdx wrote:

During the last 7 weeks I lost 11 lbs, I have much more energy and I'm
walking 5 miles daily.
 I recently had blood tests. My previous blood tests were on 6/19.
All test were while on a cholesterol med.

My Total Cholesterol dropped from 195 to 109.
My Triglycerides dropped from 397 to 82.
My LDL dropped from 106 to 54.
My HDL rose from 36 to 39.

 I went on a Keto Diet 7 weeks ago, low Carbs and high Fat, medium
Protein. I shot for 20 grams of Carbs, but was generally under 30 grams.
  The blood test results were what I had read would happen, but
I was curious if it would happen for me! It did, big time.
About 50% of people find their LDL goes up, but then you need to have an
LDL particle count, because often the size gets larger with lower count
and this has less danger.
  It has been easy as I haven't had any hunger, I did do a 46 hr fast
without hunger pains. I think that is easier if your body is using
ketones instead of glucose. I did buy a Keto-Mojo meter to monitor my
Ketones and glucose.
 Just food for thought if you need to change your lipid numbers.

                                               Mikek

Ah, everyone's concern is Covid 19 right now.

Note, above I changed the word Protein to Carbs, it was an error.
So my target was 20 grams of carbs and I came in under 30 grams.

Mikek

Nothing to do with the virus, I've never been interested in the low carb diets. I have friends who have done well with them, but I'm not sure how to get full, proper nutrition while on them.

When you cut your carbs so low, are you able to acquire sufficient vitamins?

Covering all the vits & mins is trivial with supplementation.

30 grams is roughly an ounce. With just an ounce of carbs how much veggies can you take in, three ounces, four ounces? That's not even one serving a day.

Many veg are around 5% carb. The few high carb ones (potato, corn) are best avoided.

(171 gram) of boiled pinto beans offers Carbs: 45 grams

There are others, but you must be considering the proportion by weight. Most veggies are mostly water. The largest percentage of calories come from carbs. So it is hard to eat much of your calories from veggies and keep keto. Maybe you can get by with some veggies in your diet, but mostly it has to be meat and refined items like fats.

that is completely confused

What would a non-meat keto diet look like?

I don't know if you mean pescetarian, vegetarian, or not a meat only diet


A friend needed to cut his glycemic intake and complained that after a few days he dreamed of eating donuts. This is not a tubbo in any way. He was just sugar deprived and had a hard time figuring out how to reduce his blood sugar. Even eating 100% rye bread (which is not so appealing) would spike his blood sugar.

of course, all carbs turn to sugar


Extreme diets in general are not so good for you.

Those that prescribe them & have benefitted from them might say otherwise


I haven't found anything saying a keto diet is harmful, but I haven't looked all that hard either.

You sure haven't. There's an army of people saying it's terrible, but in reality a lot of people have solved a lot of quite serious medical problems with a keto diet.

The placebo effect can work miracles, but it helps to have an imaginary medical problem to start with.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney