OT: Moon Landing

[Winfield Hill]

upsidedown@downunder.com wrote...

The Soviets as well as some radio amateurs in different
places of the Earth were able to directly receive
transmissions from the Apollo space crafts.

In order to fake it, you at least need an (unmanned)
transponder on lunar orbit and the surface of the Moon
to get the continuously changing dopplers right.

Radio amateurs were measuring the Doppler shifts?
OK, found an answer:
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/24140/why-such-a-large-observed-doppler-shift-from-apollo-17-orbiting-the-moon?


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On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 3:58:46 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:19:13 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

During WW II, War Dept let over a $1M (that they admit to) contract GE
to reverse engineer the simplified V1. They couldn't get to square one,
had no idea how it could even fly.

You mean the V2, surely?

No, I mean the V1. They had a largely intact V1 to be used for the project.

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[Clive Arthur]

On 14/07/2019 14:59, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon landing' as
it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the group believe the
whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for whatever reason?

Gnorts, Mr Alien. [Read it backwards - the truth is weirder than you think.]

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[John Larkin]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:23:02 +0300, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:07:39 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:03:28 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.



Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural
activity. (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)


But manned space flight? The Pentagon hasn't been very interested in
that.

What was the MOL project (a Gemini capsule on top of a 3 m diameter
space laboratory to be launched by Titan III M) ?

An idea that was never implemented. Both the US and Soviet military
considered and cancelled manned spaceflight programs. Both realized
that unmanned spacecraft made more sense for them.

Why did the Shuttle have such huge return load capacity other than
returning a military space laboratory ?

Must have been a mistake, since it never did return such a lab.

The entire Shuttle program was a mistake.


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[John Larkin]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:43:07 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 3:58:46 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:19:13 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

During WW II, War Dept let over a $1M (that they admit to) contract GE
to reverse engineer the simplified V1. They couldn't get to square one,
had no idea how it could even fly.

You mean the V2, surely?

No, I mean the V1. They had a largely intact V1 to be used for the project.

Youtube has videos of various whacky amateur pulse rockets.



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[bitrex]

On 7/14/19 4:07 PM, Chris wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 21:47:46 +0300, upsidedown wrote:

In order to fake it, you at least need an (unmanned) transponder on
lunar orbit and the surface of the Moon to get the continuously changing
dopplers right.

Those that claims it was a hoax assumes that the only signal source was
through NASA, while there were other independent receivers.

I wouldn't know about that, but it seems there's nothing like as
much evidence for a faked man moon landing as there is for Dubya &
Cheney's involvement in 911.

Their "involvement" such as it was, was to be in positions of high
leadership when we were caught totally unprepared with our pants down.
They weren't sharp enough to see it coming much less be involved
themselves. Other people did but they were ignored.

and then instead of sparing no expense or delay to capture and bring the
primary evidence-based conspirator to face trial for his crime as
expediently as possible started wars against two almost entirely
uninvolved countries in the Middle East because...reasons.

 

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 5:01:08 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:23:02 +0300, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:07:39 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:03:28 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.



Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural
activity. (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)


But manned space flight? The Pentagon hasn't been very interested in
that.

What was the MOL project (a Gemini capsule on top of a 3 m diameter
space laboratory to be launched by Titan III M) ?

An idea that was never implemented. Both the US and Soviet military
considered and cancelled manned spaceflight programs. Both realized
that unmanned spacecraft made more sense for them.

LOL-That may change now that we have a "Space Force", for a little while anyway, until the lunatic fringe is ejected from control.

Why did the Shuttle have such huge return load capacity other than
returning a military space laboratory ?

Must have been a mistake, since it never did return such a lab.

The entire Shuttle program was a mistake.


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lunatic fringe electronics

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 11:32:44 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 7/14/2019 8:59 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon landing' as
it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the group believe the
whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for whatever reason?



The question is just to stupid to entertain.
But I have to ad, this morning I saw the seamstresses from Platex even
got in on the hoax of sewing moon suits together.
I was about 14 then and my mom let me stay up late to watch it.
I remember how crummy the video was.

The video was slow scan, due to the transmit power requirements. Higher bandwidth required more power than was available. It was also heavier than they could take on the mission. You can only get so much gain from the antennas.

Slow scan allowed the video to be transmitted on an audio channel. Once it was received on earth, it was scan converted, to let the public see it. It was crappy video, or nothing.

Amateur radio operators still use Slow Scan video on the HF and VHF bands.

It's been decades, but I think it was eight seconds per frame for Amateur radio, to fit into a 5KHz audio channel. One commercial product was 'Robot'?

Some use NTSC video at higher frequencies. Some old CATV modulators are on the proper bands, and are used with an amplifier for ATV.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 15/7/19 3:05 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.

But more likely you would have just spent that $$ bombing Vietnam for a
few more years.

America could have saved us all by investing the $T's war budget on
something useful, but instead it has killed us all.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/14/19 3:03 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 2:03:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/19 1:24 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:c1d453fa-01f6-4f42-b761-1e12b5714279@googlegroups.com:


A bunch of lies and self-serving propaganda. No credibility to any
of those claims.


I guess all my "You are stupid" insults were not insults at all.

Pick one... OK...
The mouse.

Yes, you retarded twit, it was NASA, and then Xerox, and then
consumer computers.

https://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Basis/mouse.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse

Pick another... Freeze dried foodstuffs AND the analysis process
for determining nutritional value and content. Yep... NASA.

Wake up and smell the Taster's Choice.


Being a bloggs is an easy job. Don't have to do anything but complain.

You need to just move to a dark quiet place and continue your fantasy obsession of your Puritan ancestors. Leave reality to grounded people to evaluate.

Oh but I thought you'd enjoy my revisionist history! You didn't like it.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 15/7/19 9:23 am, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 11:32:44 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 7/14/2019 8:59 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon landing' as
it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the group believe the
whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for whatever reason?



The question is just to stupid to entertain.
But I have to ad, this morning I saw the seamstresses from Platex even
got in on the hoax of sewing moon suits together.
I was about 14 then and my mom let me stay up late to watch it.
I remember how crummy the video was.

The video was slow scan, due to the transmit power requirements. Higher bandwidth required more power than was available. It was also heavier than they could take on the mission. You can only get so much gain from the antennas.

Slow scan allowed the video to be transmitted on an audio channel. Once it was received on earth, it was scan converted, to let the public see it. It was crappy video, or nothing.

Amateur radio operators still use Slow Scan video on the HF and VHF bands.

It's been decades, but I think it was eight seconds per frame for Amateur radio, to fit into a 5KHz audio channel. One commercial product was 'Robot'?

Some use NTSC video at higher frequencies. Some old CATV modulators are on the proper bands, and are used with an amplifier for ATV.

The guys at HoneySuckle Creek who ran the equipment that showed the
world the First Step are having the (last?) big reunion this weekend.
450 Apollo tragics (including moi) will be there with them. Mike Dinn
was station manager at the time, and there are others still around who
were present at the time. So if you want to know any technical details,
now would be a really good time to ask! Also Andrew Tink's book
"HoneySuckle Creek" has most of the details.

Clifford Heath.

 

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:rt2nieh94sbutijbkhg43lgfqcdfaufsj4@4ax.com:

> Wasting money and killing schoolteachers?

John Larkin is an immature child.

 

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in news:157ad2e5-062a-4e25-a903-
69abd5a5f034@googlegroups.com:

> Leave reality to grounded people to evaluate.

Bloggs is grounded... in a pile of sub-human feces.

Hey, BloggsTard... it is muckin' up yer vision, boy!

 

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in news:4ea7deaa-1f58-4501-aac7-
08e99e4f5628@googlegroups.com:

> e. There is no focking mention of any focking NASA!

You obviously failed to read the entire article.

Looks like again you show us how much of:

a F O C K I N G F O O L you are.

I guess also that you are too much of a pussy to write what you
FUCKING mean. More FUCKING FOOLISH IMMATURE BEHAVIOR by the
BloggsTard.

 

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:4ea7deaa-1f58-4501-aac7-08e99e4f5628@googlegroups.com:

Freeze-drying was invented by Jacques-Arsene dƒ TArsonval at the
College de France in Paris in 1906.

No. It was in the late 1800s and by a different person, GoogleTard.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 14/07/2019 11:59 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon landing' as
it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the group believe the
whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for whatever reason?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE-tpiAiiHo

 

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gp24nfFira2U1@mid.individual.net:

On 14/07/2019 11:59 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE-tpiAiiHo

I've never met Connie Linghus. She must be up on the Mars base.

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon landing' as
it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the group believe the
whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like the
ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.

If Von Braun and his crew hadn't showed up, the American buffoons would still be trying to use a scaled up Estes pressurized water rocket...

"Robert Hutchings Goddard was an American engineer, professor, physicist, and inventor who is credited with creating and building the world's first liquid-fueled rocket. Goddard successfully launched his rocket on March 16, 1926, ushering in an era of space flight and innovation."

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 3:58:46 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:19:13 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

During WW II, War Dept let over a $1M (that they admit to) contract GE
to reverse engineer the simplified V1. They couldn't get to square one,
had no idea how it could even fly.

You mean the V2, surely?

Wasn't the V1 the one with the kludge engine? It had shutters that opened and closed rapidly which gave it the name "buzz" bomb. I can see where that might be hard to reverse engineer.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:eonmiehgoln6vivbp11rnrgk04723b4uuo@4ax.com:

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each
shuttle flight.

There would not even have been a shuttle were it not for the manned
moon missions.

The shuttle was a terrible idea. It was too deadly to keep going.

You mean like autos driven by the average person... and the not-so-average person? We seem to be ok with that in spite of the fact that 35,000 people a year die in the US from auto accidents, most of which are caused by people.

It took decades of serious science to do it and that made us world
leaders, and even allowed a putz like you to jump on board.

World leaders in doing what? Wasting money and killing schoolteachers?


And also NO, idiot... Usenet would not even have evolved were it
not for NASA and the demands those years of research required and
inspired.

Disagree. The Internet was inevitable.

"Inevitable"? Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it would have been created the way it was. What if Bill Gates had been the one to invent it?

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