OT: Moon Landing

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.

do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:c1d453fa-01f6-4f42-b761-1e12b5714279@googlegroups.com:

A bunch of lies and self-serving propaganda. No credibility to any
of those claims.

I guess all my "You are stupid" insults were not insults at all.

Pick one... OK...
The mouse.

Yes, you retarded twit, it was NASA, and then Xerox, and then
consumer computers.

https://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Basis/mouse.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse

Pick another... Freeze dried foodstuffs AND the analysis process
for determining nutritional value and content. Yep... NASA.

Wake up and smell the Taster's Choice.
 
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:eonmiehgoln6vivbp11rnrgk04723b4uuo@4ax.com:

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each
shuttle flight.

There would not even have been a shuttle were it not for the manned
moon missions.

It took decades of serious science to do it and that made us world
leaders, and even allowed a putz like you to jump on board.

And also NO, idiot... Usenet would not even have evolved were it
not for NASA and the demands those years of research required and
inspired.

Maybe you should look the word up.
 
On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.

"Why do anything" could be a valid question for a lot of human
endeavors. Could say the same about radio telescopes studying distant
gaseous nebulae.

I think sometimes people need a little something to hope for and be
proud of, in a Make America Great-kind of vein. It's something America
seems to be missing right now, too.

Even if that's all it accomplished and nothing else (I don't agree
that's the case but whatever) then I don't think it was a particularly
bad value. Compared to all the money that's been spent on weapons by all
the countries in the world over the years the price tag was a pittance.
 
On 7/14/19 2:03 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



   You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.



Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural
activity.  (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

If the Shuttle design weren't at least partially dictated by DOD
requirements it wouldn't have had those big delta wings for crossrange.
A pure scientific vehicle doesn't really need 1000km of crossrange.
 
On 7/14/19 1:24 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:c1d453fa-01f6-4f42-b761-1e12b5714279@googlegroups.com:


A bunch of lies and self-serving propaganda. No credibility to any
of those claims.


I guess all my "You are stupid" insults were not insults at all.

Pick one... OK...
The mouse.

Yes, you retarded twit, it was NASA, and then Xerox, and then
consumer computers.

https://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Basis/mouse.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse

Pick another... Freeze dried foodstuffs AND the analysis process
for determining nutritional value and content. Yep... NASA.

Wake up and smell the Taster's Choice.

Being a bloggs is an easy job. Don't have to do anything but complain.
 
On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.

Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural
activity. (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 7/14/19 1:52 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/19 1:28 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:eonmiehgoln6vivbp11rnrgk04723b4uuo@4ax.com:

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each
shuttle flight.

   There would not even have been a shuttle were it not for the manned
moon missions.

   It took decades of serious science to do it and that made us world
leaders, and even allowed a putz like you to jump on board.

   And also NO, idiot...  Usenet would not even have evolved were it
not for NASA and the demands those years of research required and
inspired.

   Maybe you should look the word up.


The astronauts who signed

The astronauts who perished, rather. Thankfully (and in no small part
due to the skill of the engineers involved) the great majority survived.
 
On 7/14/19 1:28 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:eonmiehgoln6vivbp11rnrgk04723b4uuo@4ax.com:

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each
shuttle flight.

There would not even have been a shuttle were it not for the manned
moon missions.

It took decades of serious science to do it and that made us world
leaders, and even allowed a putz like you to jump on board.

And also NO, idiot... Usenet would not even have evolved were it
not for NASA and the demands those years of research required and
inspired.

Maybe you should look the word up.

The astronauts who signed up understood the risks, went anyway, and died
with their boots on. Seems like a perfectly American thing to do, to me.

That's why their names will be remembered and the name of the habitual
shit poster who started this thread will be forgotten.
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:06:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 2:03 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



   You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.



Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural
activity.  (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)

At least it had. The launch of Sputnik I (and the much heavier Sputnik
II/III) indicated that the Soviets had a big ICBM (R-7).

Of course, R-7 was a bad ICBM, since it required a easily destroyable
launch pads, which could only launch 1-2 missiles each day. But
anyhow, it caused panic in the US.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


If the Shuttle design weren't at least partially dictated by DOD
requirements it wouldn't have had those big delta wings for crossrange.
A pure scientific vehicle doesn't really need 1000km of crossrange.

An other thing that crippled the shuttle was the DoD requirement to
return tons of material from orbit to ground, when even manned flights
needs a 1-2 ton capsule. Unmanned do not require any return loads.
 
On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 2:03:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/14/19 1:24 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:c1d453fa-01f6-4f42-b761-1e12b5714279@googlegroups.com:


A bunch of lies and self-serving propaganda. No credibility to any
of those claims.


I guess all my "You are stupid" insults were not insults at all.

Pick one... OK...
The mouse.

Yes, you retarded twit, it was NASA, and then Xerox, and then
consumer computers.

https://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Basis/mouse.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse

Pick another... Freeze dried foodstuffs AND the analysis process
for determining nutritional value and content. Yep... NASA.

Wake up and smell the Taster's Choice.


Being a bloggs is an easy job. Don't have to do anything but complain.

You need to just move to a dark quiet place and continue your fantasy obsession of your Puritan ancestors. Leave reality to grounded people to evaluate.
 
On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 1:24:08 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote in
news:c1d453fa-01f6-4f42-b761-1e12b5714279@googlegroups.com:


A bunch of lies and self-serving propaganda. No credibility to any
of those claims.


I guess all my "You are stupid" insults were not insults at all.

Pick one... OK...
The mouse.

Yes, you retarded twit, it was NASA, and then Xerox, and then
consumer computers.

https://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Basis/mouse.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse

Pick another... Freeze dried foodstuffs AND the analysis process
for determining nutritional value and content. Yep... NASA.

Wake up and smell the Taster's Choice.

You and a bunch of other know-nothings here are a brain washed buffoons. I've done enough research on government claims to know their claims are almost always outright lies.

Take this freeze dried food preservation process. It actually dates back to 1906. You can read about it here, and these people should know:

Freeze-drying was invented by Jacques-Arsene d’Arsonval at the College de France in Paris in 1906. Later, during World War II, it was widely implemented to preserve blood serum. Since then freeze-drying has become one of the most important processes for preservation of heat-sensitive biological materials. During the 1950s, industrial freeze-drying of foods began. Freeze-drying is currently used as a preservation method for foods, pharma-ceuticals, and a wide range of other products.
http://www.ift.org/food-technology/past-issues/2018/february/columns/processing-freeze-drying-foods.aspx

The Apollo program was a huge government boondoggle. A bunch of them were RIF'd by early 70s, conservative control of the executive branch of government decided the charade was too expensive to continue.

Moving onto the mouse, it was derived from concepts developed during WW II for radar fire control trackballs. You can read the history here. There is no focking mention of any focking NASA!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse#History
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:59:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon landing' as
it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the group believe the
whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for whatever reason?

There is one thing that speaks against a hoax is that when the Soviets
noticed that they are going to loose the Moon race, they would have
tried to discredit any US results.

The Soviets as well as some radio amateurs in different places of the
Earth were able to directly receive transmissions from the Apollo
space crafts.

In order to fake it, you at least need an (unmanned) transponder on
lunar orbit and the surface of the Moon to get the continuously
changing dopplers right.

Those that claims it was a hoax assumes that the only signal source
was through NASA, while there were other independent receivers.
 
On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon landing' as
it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the group believe the
whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like the
ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.

If Von Braun and his crew hadn't showed up, the American buffoons would still be trying to use a scaled up Estes pressurized water rocket...

During WW II, War Dept let over a $1M (that they admit to) contract GE to reverse engineer the simplified V1. They couldn't get to square one, had no idea how it could even fly.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:07:39 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:03:28 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.



Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural
activity. (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)


But manned space flight? The Pentagon hasn't been very interested in
that.

What was the MOL project (a Gemini capsule on top of a 3 m diameter
space laboratory to be launched by Titan III M) ?

Why did the Shuttle have such huge return load capacity other than
returning a military space laboratory ?

Comm satellites are OK, but fibers move a lot more data. Weather
satellites and GPS and Google Earth type things are useful. The moon
landings, and the ISS were, as you say, political/emotional
endeavours.

Today's New York Times has a special 32-page section about manned
landings on the moon, past and future. I still see no reason for
either.
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:eonmiehgoln6vivbp11rnrgk04723b4uuo@4ax.com:

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each
shuttle flight.

There would not even have been a shuttle were it not for the manned
moon missions.

The shuttle was a terrible idea. It was too deadly to keep going.

It took decades of serious science to do it and that made us world
leaders, and even allowed a putz like you to jump on board.

World leaders in doing what? Wasting money and killing schoolteachers?

And also NO, idiot... Usenet would not even have evolved were it
not for NASA and the demands those years of research required and
inspired.

Disagree. The Internet was inevitable.

Maybe you should look the word up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

I don't see "NASA" on that page.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:03:28 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:13:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/19 1:05 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:sommie5s8dufbtmk37pu6clsqvamcout36@4ax.com:

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen,

As we approach the 50th anniversary of the 'first manned moon
landing' as it were, I'm just wondering what proportion of the
group believe the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax for
whatever reason?

It might as well have been. Either real or hoax, nothing came of
it. Just more circus for the nitwits, and nerd welfare of course.



It was real enough, but expensive, dangerous, and useless. Like
the ISS.

"Exploring space" is an oxymoron.



You would not even have had this forum to state that stupid shit
in, much less the device on which to do it.

Manned spaceflight did not contribute to usenet. I can't think of
anything useful that manned spaceflight has provided us. It cost a
fortune and killed some good people. The moon rocks could have been
gathered by a robot, and weren't very interesting anyhow. A lot of
moon rocks have been lost.

We could have funded some serious science for the cost of each shuttle
flight.



do not know if I am reading John Larkin or left-wing extremist rhetoric.
What have u done with the real JL??

What has manned spaceflight accomplished? Dollars and deaths. Spam in
a can.

Sure, astronauts repaired Hubble. But we could have launched scores
Hubbles and built scores of world-class radio telescopes for the cost
of the ISS, and killed no-one in the process.



Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural
activity. (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)

But manned space flight? The Pentagon hasn't been very interested in
that.

Comm satellites are OK, but fibers move a lot more data. Weather
satellites and GPS and Google Earth type things are useful. The moon
landings, and the ISS were, as you say, political/emotional
endeavours.

Today's New York Times has a special 32-page section about manned
landings on the moon, past and future. I still see no reason for
either.


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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 21:47:46 +0300, upsidedown wrote:

In order to fake it, you at least need an (unmanned) transponder on
lunar orbit and the surface of the Moon to get the continuously changing
dopplers right.

Those that claims it was a hoax assumes that the only signal source was
through NASA, while there were other independent receivers.

I wouldn't know about that, but it seems there's nothing like as
much evidence for a faked man moon landing as there is for Dubya &
Cheney's involvement in 911.
 
On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:19:13 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

During WW II, War Dept let over a $1M (that they admit to) contract GE
to reverse engineer the simplified V1. They couldn't get to square one,
had no idea how it could even fly.

You mean the V2, surely?



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