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>A felon is considered under disability.

Yeah, most people probably think that means you get a check from social security. I mean, I have run across some really solid people in my day but then there are others who...

In this state if you are convicted felon you are under disability to:

Own a firearm
Own a liquor establishment of the liquor license.
(you CAN own 49%)

Those are the most prevalent two, but for example there is also under disability to vote.

It actually means the same thing but a bit different. People don't understand that about some words. Fuck, a bunch of them think license are and data is. The stupid fucks think because the word license ends with the "S" sound it is plural. But not with data, which is the plural of datum.

What are we going to do with these fucking people ? Really. Fix it ? Yea right. Got a Chicago school yearbook or whatever and on the front it says "This Is Are Story". I thought there were teachers at school where they can pull the kid aside and say "Are you sure that's right ?". (or our you sure that's write ?)

How can we expect these kids to know anything when they are around people who do not know anything ? What, is the knowledge supposed to drop from the trees or some shit ? (no Issac Newton remarks right now ok ?)

 

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 7:10:25 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:YeRKE.10$uY4.5@fx27.iad:


However they should have the right to vote regardless, as I say.



Not while you are in the joint.

Why? Because an organized group of voters could sway the vote and
some lame, criminal jackass and all his friends secretly deciding to
vote one way or another is a convolution from the perspective of the
normal free voters.

No. You fuck up and commit a crime at the felony level and get
caught and convicted for it, you lose the right to vote during your
incarceration and subsequent parole in those states with parole
programs.

Once you PAY for your crime as defined by your sentence at
conviction... THEN you get re-instated as a voter.
Not until.

Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

We don't think that, but obviously you do. Show us where in the
Constitution it prohibits a felon from running for president.
It's not on the list of requirements that you not be a felon.

Wrong again, always wrong.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:623ce3fa-caf8-4f3f-a0df-d0f3ca3796ff@googlegroups.com:

Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

We don't think that,

You are such a fucking Trumpesque PUNK!
You are no part of ANY "we", chump!

> but obviously you do.

Most folks familiar with the constitution do.

Show us where in the
Constitution it prohibits a felon from running for president.

There you go again trying to include yourself in a group in a
desperate attempt to belong.

Try examining the articles, you stupid fuck.

> It's not on the list of requirements that you not be a felon.

If only using you for target practice was on the list. You are
truly stupid. You need to be culled with the rest of the chaff.

Wrong again, always wrong.

You're a punk fuck. You have always been a punk fuck, and it has
caused you to become self retarded.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/8/19 11:17 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 7:10:25 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:YeRKE.10$uY4.5@fx27.iad:


However they should have the right to vote regardless, as I say.



Not while you are in the joint.

Why? Because an organized group of voters could sway the vote and
some lame, criminal jackass and all his friends secretly deciding to
vote one way or another is a convolution from the perspective of the
normal free voters.

No. You fuck up and commit a crime at the felony level and get
caught and convicted for it, you lose the right to vote during your
incarceration and subsequent parole in those states with parole
programs.

Once you PAY for your crime as defined by your sentence at
conviction... THEN you get re-instated as a voter.
Not until.

Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

We don't think that, but obviously you do. Show us where in the
Constitution it prohibits a felon from running for president.
It's not on the list of requirements that you not be a felon.

Wrong again, always wrong.

What a felony is or isn't varies by state; AFAIK the states are pretty
free to make whatever they want a felony. so how could the Constitution
say anything universal about it.

It's still a felony to have sex outside of marriage in Massachusetts,
the law isn't enforced but it's still on the books.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/8/19 7:10 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:YeRKE.10$uY4.5@fx27.iad:


However they should have the right to vote regardless, as I say.



Not while you are in the joint.

Why? Because an organized group of voters could sway the vote and
some lame, criminal jackass and all his friends secretly deciding to
vote one way or another is a convolution from the perspective of the
normal free voters.

No. You fuck up and commit a crime at the felony level and get
caught and convicted for it, you lose the right to vote during your
incarceration and subsequent parole in those states with parole
programs.

Once you PAY for your crime as defined by your sentence at
conviction... THEN you get re-instated as a voter.
Not until.

Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

No, of course not, not while they are in prison.

 

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:08:17 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:623ce3fa-caf8-4f3f-a0df-d0f3ca3796ff@googlegroups.com:


Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

We don't think that,

You are such a fucking Trumpesque PUNK!
You are no part of ANY "we", chump!

but obviously you do.

Most folks familiar with the constitution do.

Show us where in the
Constitution it prohibits a felon from running for president.

There you go again trying to include yourself in a group in a
desperate attempt to belong.

Try examining the articles, you stupid fuck.

It's not on the list of requirements that you not be a felon.

If only using you for target practice was on the list. You are
truly stupid. You need to be culled with the rest of the chaff.

Wrong again, always wrong.


You're a punk fuck. You have always been a punk fuck, and it has
caused you to become self retarded.

In other words you have NOTHING to back up your BS claim that a felon
can't run for president.

Wrong, always wrong.

 

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 6/8/19 11:17 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:
On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 7:10:25 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:YeRKE.10$uY4.5@fx27.iad:


However they should have the right to vote regardless, as I say.



Not while you are in the joint.

Why? Because an organized group of voters could sway the vote and
some lame, criminal jackass and all his friends secretly deciding to
vote one way or another is a convolution from the perspective of the
normal free voters.

No. You fuck up and commit a crime at the felony level and get
caught and convicted for it, you lose the right to vote during your
incarceration and subsequent parole in those states with parole
programs.

Once you PAY for your crime as defined by your sentence at
conviction... THEN you get re-instated as a voter.
Not until.

Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

We don't think that, but obviously you do. Show us where in the
Constitution it prohibits a felon from running for president.
It's not on the list of requirements that you not be a felon.

Wrong again, always wrong.




What a felony is or isn't varies by state; AFAIK the states are pretty
free to make whatever they want a felony. so how could the Constitution
say anything universal about it.

Don't ask me, ask DL. He's the one that claimed a felon can't run
for president.

 

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:24:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 6/8/19 7:10 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:YeRKE.10$uY4.5@fx27.iad:


However they should have the right to vote regardless, as I say.



Not while you are in the joint.

Why? Because an organized group of voters could sway the vote and
some lame, criminal jackass and all his friends secretly deciding to
vote one way or another is a convolution from the perspective of the
normal free voters.

No. You fuck up and commit a crime at the felony level and get
caught and convicted for it, you lose the right to vote during your
incarceration and subsequent parole in those states with parole
programs.

Once you PAY for your crime as defined by your sentence at
conviction... THEN you get re-instated as a voter.
Not until.

Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?


No, of course not, not while they are in prison.

A felon is anyone convicted of a felony, whether in prison or not.
But since you want to now focus on the prison part, show us where
someone in prison in prohibited from running for president. It's
highly impractical, virtually impossible for obvious reasons,
but show us where it's actually prohibited by LAW.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:939d17be-9b21-4ac7-9ab9-c8473629b9f0@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:08:17 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:623ce3fa-caf8-4f3f-a0df-d0f3ca3796ff@googlegroups.com:


Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

We don't think that,

You are such a fucking Trumpesque PUNK!
You are no part of ANY "we", chump!

but obviously you do.

Most folks familiar with the constitution do.

Show us where in the
Constitution it prohibits a felon from running for president.

There you go again trying to include yourself in a group in a
desperate attempt to belong.

Try examining the articles, you stupid fuck.

It's not on the list of requirements that you not be a felon.

If only using you for target practice was on the list. You are
truly stupid. You need to be culled with the rest of the chaff.

Wrong again, always wrong.


You're a punk fuck. You have always been a punk fuck, and it
has
caused you to become self retarded.

In other words you have NOTHING to back up your BS claim that a
felon can't run for president.

Wrong, always wrong.

Seems you have reading comprehension problems as well.

Look up there a few lines, dumbfuck. I already told you where to
find it, you wussifeid, pussified fuck.

Here, I'll say it again, and maybe you'll be able to remember
between drinks.

Try examining the articles, you stupid fuck.

I have doubts that you even know what they are.

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:Mw9LE.1184$ZD7.836@fx03.iad:

No, of course not, not while they are in prison.

Once convicted. No prison required. A felon is not able to run for
POTUS.

 

When is war not gruesome? I will participate in remembering the dead and the bravery of the heroes, but often things turn into glorifying war itself which is never appropriate. Glorifying war makes it that much easier to supporting war when it is not required or even useful.

+1

 

[bitrex]

On 6/9/19 1:55 PM, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:24:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/8/19 7:10 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:YeRKE.10$uY4.5@fx27.iad:


However they should have the right to vote regardless, as I say.



Not while you are in the joint.

Why? Because an organized group of voters could sway the vote and
some lame, criminal jackass and all his friends secretly deciding to
vote one way or another is a convolution from the perspective of the
normal free voters.

No. You fuck up and commit a crime at the felony level and get
caught and convicted for it, you lose the right to vote during your
incarceration and subsequent parole in those states with parole
programs.

Once you PAY for your crime as defined by your sentence at
conviction... THEN you get re-instated as a voter.
Not until.

Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?


No, of course not, not while they are in prison.

A felon is anyone convicted of a felony, whether in prison or not.
But since you want to now focus on the prison part, show us where
someone in prison in prohibited from running for president. It's
highly impractical, virtually impossible for obvious reasons,
but show us where it's actually prohibited by LAW.

No idea what the constitutionality of someone in prison running for
president is, don't even want to speculate. my comment was related to
someone in prison voting.

it's fine by me that prisoners cannot vote in the US and seems perfectly
constitutional, they are not free citizens and already have numerous
constitutional rights that apply to free citizens removed.

What seems of dubious constitutionality, to me at least, is the 10 or so
states where felons, who were formerly incarcerated, lose their voting
right indefinitely despite having fully completed their prison sentence,
and parole. Where that right is not restored automatically.

I don't think the FF intended the state of being a "free citizen" to be
a non-binary proposition. Ideally, you either is, or you ain't. There
are always edge-cases like habitual drunk drivers (ignition interlocks),
and people in mental institutions, however.

 

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:21:40 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:939d17be-9b21-4ac7-9ab9-c8473629b9f0@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:08:17 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:623ce3fa-caf8-4f3f-a0df-d0f3ca3796ff@googlegroups.com:


Why do you think a felon cannot run for president?

We don't think that,

You are such a fucking Trumpesque PUNK!
You are no part of ANY "we", chump!

but obviously you do.

Most folks familiar with the constitution do.

Show us where in the
Constitution it prohibits a felon from running for president.

There you go again trying to include yourself in a group in a
desperate attempt to belong.

Try examining the articles, you stupid fuck.

It's not on the list of requirements that you not be a felon.

If only using you for target practice was on the list. You are
truly stupid. You need to be culled with the rest of the chaff.

Wrong again, always wrong.


You're a punk fuck. You have always been a punk fuck, and it
has
caused you to become self retarded.

In other words you have NOTHING to back up your BS claim that a
felon can't run for president.

Wrong, always wrong.


Seems you have reading comprehension problems as well.

Look up there a few lines, dumbfuck. I already told you where to
find it, you wussifeid, pussified fuck.

Here, I'll say it again, and maybe you'll be able to remember
between drinks.

Try examining the articles, you stupid fuck.

I have doubts that you even know what they are.

Translation: As usual, you have nothing to back up the things you make
up and post here. There is no law prohibiting a felon from running for
president. BTW, have you found the cites for all the B1 bomber crashes
you told us were caused by fly-by-wire failures?


Wrong, always wrong.

 

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:15:56 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:Mw9LE.1184$ZD7.836@fx03.iad:

No, of course not, not while they are in prison.



Once convicted. No prison required. A felon is not able to run for
POTUS.

You keep posting that, but have been totally unable to provide a single
cite to a law that says that. The Constitution lists the three qualifications needed to run for president, whether you're a felon or
not is not on that list.

Wrong, always wrong.

 

That's not true. Many states have a process for felons to get
their right to own a gun back and it doesn't involve expunging
your record.

Explain. Use your own state as an example if you want. Meantime maybe I'll look see how it is here.

 

The actual staute seems to be quoted here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

In the wording is

"willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. "

That is a separate issue, it is written into the statute itself as part of the penalty. That is perfectly legal I think. But an actual statute specifically prohibiting a felon from holding office was not forthcoming in my search.

There are other laws that if broken they will bar someone from public office. But it is not a universal thing. It does apply to THIS statute though...

 

>A felon is anyone convicted of a felony, whether in prison or >not. But since you want to now focus on the prison part, show >us where someone in prison in prohibited from running for >president. It's highly impractical, virtually impossible for >obvious reasons, but show us where it's actually prohibited by >LAW.

I am pretty sure it is not. However, a President can be impeached for things in the past if I am not mistaken.

James Trafficant was railroaded and almost ran for congress form prison. He had the support of the People and would probably have won. But then again he is not stupid, in office they are not going to take him to all the sessions of congress, the best he could do is vote on bills. Maybe enough maybe not, but there would be no speeches or talks getting support for whatever, impractical. The people in his district loved him, seriously. Even the people who didn't might vote for him because they see how he is. Well was, he croaked about five years ago. He made it to about 74 but he went right on video and said he was told to shut up and he is going to shut up because "they" would kill him. No more "We got $120,000 to study the mating habits of the tse tse fly, beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life here". They didn't like him at all and even expelled him I think, or came close. If he would have been reelected they might have just expelled him anyway so it just wasn't a good idea. He was not part of the old boy network to say the least.

Yup, sounds about logical these day, you can be President but not vote for one. I guess you can't vote for yourself.

 

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 6:46:45 PM UTC-4, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

The "one right you don't get back" I speak of is the gun rights,
idiot.

You definitely got him there. Even a pardon won't do it. Even winning an appeal won't do it.

That's not true. Many states have a process for felons to get
their right to own a gun back and it doesn't involve expunging
your record.

 

The "one right you don't get back" I speak of is the gun rights,
idiot.

You definitely got him there. Even a pardon won't do it. Even winning an appeal won't do it. The only thing that will do it is expunging your record and that is a bit too hard to do by yourself pro se so that means a lawyer bill. And then you only get to do it once for one felony.

What has to happen is that there need to be some restrictions on just what they can calla felony. In Indiana IIRC, your second DUI is a felony. Go to the bar twice and have some bad luck with the cops ? No more guns, have to fight just for the right to vote again. In Ohio it is like the fourth in like eight years or some shit, I don't remember right now. But it is more reasonable, getting that many of them is out of the realm of bad luck and more into not giving a shit about the safety of society. But the second ? In a driving lifespan of like 18 to 80 ? Even though drunk driving is a bad thing, just how fucking extreme do we get ? Execution like some Muslim countries ?

I think without a victim there should be no felony, and in fact it should be very difficult for them to put you in jail at all with no victim. I've been through this shit, they give the rigamaroll X people are killed each year and all that - Oh that's terrible, HOW MANY DID I KILL ?

>So... Just like I said... The ONE right in EVERY STATE that >you do NOT get back upon a felony conviction is gun ownership. >Because it is at the federal level.

Federal ? You know this how ? I am not really disputing it but I never heard of any federal statute to that effect, seems like it is all the states. I do follow what happens to gun rights in this country some, I think I would have known about an actual federal statute.

>Any other 'rights' that particular state declares you not to >have is dependent on that state, and may or may not be >constitutional.

They have quite a bit of liberty in that matter. In the national Constitution the protection goes something like "shall not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process". If a state really does that they are in violation, and it is assumed this due process must result in a conviction but they have fucked that up as well with forfeiture laws. They can take your jet, yacht, whatever just for one joint. You need not be convicted. And us racist knuckle dragging hillbillies were on the side of a bunch of brown people down in Miami years ago when the cops stopped everyone and anyone with more that $200 had their money confiscated, and good luck trying to get it back.

They keep people's Lear jets and don't maintain them and then the guy is not convicted and has to sue to get his plane back but by that time it is scrap metal because of the lack of maintenance. I know most of them people were brown but we mostly are not "that kind" of racist. This is fucking wrong.

I predict that in the next decade, I MIGHT live to see it, we are going to see some really big cases about states rights. There are probably a plethora of court cases right now over state v fed rights. (was it myriad or plethora that means ten thousand - technically ?)

"May you live in interesting times" used to be a Chinese curse. I think we are going to find out why.

 

>Many states have a process for felons to get their right to own a >gun back and it doesn't involve expunging your record.

I just looked and I stand corrected. And in fact it appears that some felonies do not automatically take your gun rights. Or course probation or parole will.

In Ohio, we got;

https://www.rittgers.com/blog/2016/06/how-do-i-restore-my-gun-rights-after-a-felony-conviction.shtml

In there is;

"has led a law abiding life since discharge;"

How long ? Five minutes ? Five years ? It also says something about "if granted" so that indicates there is probably a hearing. that probably means a judge and let's hope he doesn't have that soyliberal bent on him.

Same with voting rights, in many states it is up to a judge. Now if you are/were a registered republican and the judge is a democrat...

???