OT: If Kerry is elected...

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:12:20 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
Defense is Good.
Invasion is Bad.

Kerry would wait until there was another 9-11.He would not act *OUTSIDE*
US borders without his "global" approval.If you would look thru his
"nuances",you might see that.

Have you bothered to notice that "Acting outside US borders" is aggression?
Of course he doesn't want to go on a rampage of invasion!

Are you really so lost, so buried in denial and love of death, that
you want the murder to continue until there's nobody left to be your
victims?

I suppose you would rather combat terrorists on US soil,

I would rather "combat terrorists" by not attacking everybody in the
fucking world trying to impose my agenda on them.

rather than
elsewhere.(and not destroy their BASES and support) Like it was just a
police matter,rather than National security.

"Terrorism" is a response. The Bush cabal initiated force. The US is
the aggressor. The so-called "terrorists" are fighting for their very
lives against an all-powerful, inexorable, cold, heartless, unfeeling
evil, that will consume us all if it isn't stopped.

And all you have to do is make a decision. "Do I want to keep killing,
feeding the Evil? Or do I have it in me to be better than a common
psychotic killer? How do I feel about tacitly endorsing mass torture?
Can I change my ways? Should I? Is control right? Do I want to run the
whole fuckin planet?"

Good Luck!

Who was it who said the best defense is a good offense? Vince Lombardi?

Satan.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <417DB25C.4020008@nospam.com>,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> writes:

John S. Dyson wrote:
Hint:
those people making $200K or more on their taxes (often small businesses)
are giving alot of people jobs.


Minimum wage shit- you keep them.

Not necessarily -- and also your arrogance and elitism are showing.

Think about the starter jobs and/or retirees who would be happy
with an extra $400/month or even more (if a full-time minimum wage
job.)

When I was semi-retired, I was actually thinking about a low level
job (just to keep in the swing of things.) This is coming after
a 7 figure income!!!

John

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On 27 Oct 2004 13:23:01 -0700, the renowned soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom
Seim) wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<417DB25C.4020008@nospam.com>...
John S. Dyson wrote:
Hint:
those people making $200K or more on their taxes (often small businesses)
are giving alot of people jobs.


Minimum wage shit- you keep them.

I just visited a small business in Spokane that is expanding rapidly.
They expect to do $32M this year with 200 employees. That is $160K per
employee. These ARE NOT minimum wage jobs; they are scientists,
engineers, technicians, programmers, accountants, clerks, etc.

Are you claiming they are a sole proprietorship or subchapter-S
corporation with 32M in sales?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:23:01 -0700, Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<417DB25C.4020008@nospam.com>...
John S. Dyson wrote:
Hint:
those people making $200K or more on their taxes (often small businesses)
are giving alot of people jobs.


Minimum wage shit- you keep them.

I just visited a small business in Spokane that is expanding rapidly.
They expect to do $32M this year with 200 employees. That is $160K per
employee. These ARE NOT minimum wage jobs; they are scientists,
engineers, technicians, programmers, accountants, clerks, etc.

And not a whole hell of a lot of dishwashers huh?

Die, nazi.
Painfully.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

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Tom Seim wrote:




I am a Vietnam veteran. Are you?


Yeah, you and John Edwards.

You use a phony name. Now you claim phony Vietnam service.

You are a disgrace.

Why are you evading the question? Were you or were you not in military
service? Or are you a loudmouthed armchair adventurer and draft dodger
like most of the other hawks?


Having a conversation with a liar is like trying to screw a porcupine
- a lot of pain for no satisfaction.

I will answer your question when you:
1. State your REAL name
2. Identify your service, serial number, dates served, and unit ID.

I don't think I'll get an answer.

I will come and see you in person. What is your address?


You have it.

Now answer the question. Draft deferment?


fredrook, I told you what you had to provide, so provide it.

The deal is that I don't take orders from riffraff like you- never have
and never will. You continue to evade the question about your military
service because you have none- you are a draft dodger. The younger
generation needs to know that the majority of America consists of scum
like you- and then ask themselves "what for" when it comes to going to
war.- They will get the message eventually- if they're not already- the
Army missed their recruitment goal by 30% last month-. Who in their
right mind would risk death or injury for the kind of worthless scum who
dominate America. So you and some others around here think you're real
smart and successful- on top of the world- and the US is heading for
another unprecedented crisis- the prospect of no military- hehe- too funny!


Then the deal is: GO F**K OFF!!!!

Get mad- fatarse parasite. The bottom line is that your way of life will
soon be destroyed- and freeloaders like you will be a thing of the past.

You are a PROVEN LIAR!!!

Nope- you are the liar. I just caught you lying in your response to that
senile retard Yanik a few minutes ago. I have caught you lying at least
once a day for the past month.

You claim to be a VIETNAM VETERN! You ARE NOT!!! Yet you refuse to
offer any PROOF (which is simple and easy to do)!!!

Nah- you are the armchair warrior shooting your big tough sounding mouth
off about the war. I called you on your military background- and you
apparently have none- none whatsoever- and that is because you were a
scared little rabbit parasite- when you had the opportunity to show your
stuff for your country, you ran and hid. Now you blow your fetid steamy
crap all over usenet demanding that the young people of today do
something you never had the guts to do. You are despicable- you don't
even deserve human burial- a hefty lawn bag and thrown into the landfill
is most appropriate for your kind.

Wonder why? IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE A FRAUD!!!!!!!!!

Nope- you are the fraud- we have caught you in one hypocrisy after
another- you bring nothing of value to usenet or any other discussion group.

You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the F**KING FACE!!!!!!

Well- I will give you first shot to hit me in the "fucking face"- ooohh-
are ya' goin' to give someone a black eye?- you big bad fatarse- hehe- I
eat black eyes, split lips, and all that stuff for breakfast.

From now on I'm calling you fredfraud, fredrook is too nice.

Looks like "fatarse windbag" fits you.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<417DB25C.4020008@nospam.com>...

John S. Dyson wrote:

Hint:
those people making $200K or more on their taxes (often small businesses)
are giving alot of people jobs.


Minimum wage shit- you keep them.


I just visited a small business in Spokane that is expanding rapidly.
They expect to do $32M this year with 200 employees. That is $160K per
employee. These ARE NOT minimum wage jobs; they are scientists,
engineers, technicians, programmers, accountants, clerks, etc.

DHS or DoD related?

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <pan.2004.10.27.23.38.35.667452@example.net>,
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> writes:

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:44:45 +0000, John S. Dyson wrote:
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:
Hint:
those people making $200K or more on their taxes (often small businesses)
are giving alot of people jobs.
Minimum wage shit- you keep them.
Not necessarily -- and also your arrogance and elitism are showing.

"Arrogance"???????????

"Elitism"????????

Think about the starter jobs and/or retirees who would be happy
with an extra $400/month or even more (if a full-time minimum wage
job.)


Yeah. "Oh you should be happy with the crumbs that spill from my plate
because I'm so fat I can't consume any more of your life-force"

And the one who eats your shit is "arrogant?"

When I was semi-retired, I was actually thinking about a low level
job (just to keep in the swing of things.) This is coming after
a 7 figure income!!!


Fuck you and your money!

Remember, even someone who has a few dollars isn't above working at

a low paying job!!!

You are DEFINITELY an arrogant and elitist fool.

John

 

[Mark Fergerson]

<some posts not getting through; third try>

Rich Grise wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:35:46 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:


Rich Grise wrote:
Ah, there's the rub. The power is in using both,
simultaneously,
in alignment with each other. The passion provides the
fuel, and
the reason directs that power intelligently. Don't
forget, passion is the root of compassion. (I just made that

up. )

Do you know how to cast a spell? Three essentials; raw
emotion for fuel, disciplined will to set the pattern...

Hmm.. I had entertained notions of learning how to cast
spells,

If for no other reason, learn how it's done so you can
protect yourself from it. That's the reason I refuse to
"study war no more". I'm passionate about _ending_ war, not
passionate about war.

but I don't like that word "discipline." I don't like it
at all.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm": "Discipline, comrades. Iron
discipline." When I was a kid, "discipline" meant "punish."

You are allowing words to influence your emotional state.
I meant _self_-discipline, as in doing what you're doing a
certain way because _you_ want it done right.

You already have self-discipline, otherwise you couldn't
roll a joint properly frinst.

Thanks, anyway, but I'm on a different quest this trip - I'm
here to end the discipline, or at least let it go to its
right
place, which isn't inside me.

Punishment was invented as a corrective action to bring
someone's attention to the fact that they'd violated some
standard of behavior. If _you're_the one setting the
standard, you get to decide the appropriate corrective
action, if any. Punishment doesn't make perfect, perfect
practice does.

In the case of spellcasting, just consider it a hazardous
enterprise, rather like working with fire or toxic
chemicals. You just make yourself do certain things like
taking precautions against injury, and avoid doing certain
other things, like letting your mind wander.

Or, I could say, "I release the judgement that says I
can't heal the
world immediately."

That's the third; once it's cast, forget it.
Otherwise, it won't work.

Yeah, the ol' catch. Wanna turn straw into gold? Nothing
to it.
Just put the straw in a pot, add a little water, put it on a
cookstove, and don't think of a rhinoceros. ;-)

Actually, that would help as long as you're not trying to
make gold rhinoceri. ;&gt

The main idea is really just to focus your attention on
something else afterward so you don't load the spell with
multiple priorities.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On 28 Oct 2004 12:04:01 -0700, the renowned soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom
Seim) wrote:

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:<0a20o09nb200kqa6b75t2308957rreqkgp@4ax.com>...
On 27 Oct 2004 13:23:01 -0700, the renowned soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom
Seim) wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<417DB25C.4020008@nospam.com>...
John S. Dyson wrote:
Hint:
those people making $200K or more on their taxes (often small businesses)
are giving alot of people jobs.


Minimum wage shit- you keep them.

I just visited a small business in Spokane that is expanding rapidly.
They expect to do $32M this year with 200 employees. That is $160K per
employee. These ARE NOT minimum wage jobs; they are scientists,
engineers, technicians, programmers, accountants, clerks, etc.

Are you claiming they are a sole proprietorship or subchapter-S
corporation with 32M in sales?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

What I "claimed" is that they are a small business.

What's the relevance then? Higher personal taxation rates and lower
capital gains rates (and accelerated write-off of capital equipment)
should encourage them to re-invest any profits in their business
rather than pulling them out as dividends or management salaries.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:48:29 +0000, John S. Dyson wrote:

Remember, even someone who has a few dollars isn't above working at
a low paying job!!!

Remember, John S. Dyson is a nazi apologist

You are DEFINITELY an arrogant and elitist fool.

I'm a mirror.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Winfield Hill]

Rich Grise wrote...

Remember, John S. Dyson is a nazi apologist

Hear, hear!


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41806D8B.1080904@nospam.com>...

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<417DB25C.4020008@nospam.com>...


John S. Dyson wrote:


Hint:
those people making $200K or more on their taxes (often small businesses)
are giving alot of people jobs.


Minimum wage shit- you keep them.


I just visited a small business in Spokane that is expanding rapidly.
They expect to do $32M this year with 200 employees. That is $160K per
employee. These ARE NOT minimum wage jobs; they are scientists,
engineers, technicians, programmers, accountants, clerks, etc.

DHS or DoD related?


Mostly Dod.

Uh-huhmmmmmmm...Isn't that something..Spokane you say...a detector
technology...hehe. So let's see here, we have some parasites who were
drag ass on SBIR and/or 6.xx on fundamental, tech demo at taxpayer
expense to get through the high risk stage, and now they're selling
their finished product, at very favorable profit, to mainly DoD. Yep -
that sure is an example of independent and rugged American business at
work for you.-NOT! You need to dream up some other BS, sh_t-for-brains,
because this does not serve as a very good example of anything.

 

[John Larkin]

On 28 Oct 2004 18:13:08 -0700, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

Rich Grise wrote...

Remember, John S. Dyson is a nazi apologist

Hear, hear!

Geez, Win, now you're calling people Nazis? What's your next book
going to be, "The Art of Intolerance"?

John

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:45:23 -0700, Tom Seim wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.10.28.23.07.46.477457@example.net>...

And I guess I have to come to the conclusion that ranting and raving
about it isn't going to make anything change much.

Now that is an emotionally healthy response. Regardless of the
outcome, there will always be a battle to fight the next day. Believe
me, I lived thru 8 years of Bill Clinton.

Oh, Christ. Now I know I'm fucked. Tom Seim is citing my "emotional
maturity."

I guess up is down and down is up after all. ;-)

Cheers!
RIch

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:13:08 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:

Rich Grise wrote...

Remember, John S. Dyson is a nazi apologist

Hear, hear!

O Frabjous Day! Callooh! Callay! :-D :-D :-D

In my book, a "Hear, hear!" clearly outranks an "attaboy."

And one from Win Hill is a treasure indeed!

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:08:16 -0700, Tom Seim wrote:

Rich, you are really losing it. Maybe your medical insurance has
mental disorders coverage.

Ah. Dissenters are mentally defective.

Got it.

Thanks for once again demonstrating your naziism.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> schreef in
bericht news:n1s4o0dff6idi9ainjr7ekhad0tu48ftqm@4ax.com...

On 28 Oct 2004 18:13:08 -0700, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

Rich Grise wrote...

Remember, John S. Dyson is a nazi apologist

Hear, hear!

Geez, Win, now you're calling people Nazis? What's your next book
going to be, "The Art of Intolerance"?

Is that your definition of 'professionalism'? You are really
a pig, John Larkin. What a disgusting piece of shit you are.
Truly disgusting. You are a swine.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Winfield Hill]

John Larkin wrote...

Just a while back, I sent a bunch of top-secret drift
step-recovery diodes and circuits to Win, at his request.
I wonder how they're working; haven't heard a thing.

I'm still savoring and treasuring them. Wake up at night
sometimes thinking about 'em, what cool thing to do with
them, one day in the distant future. Thanks again!


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

In <118afaeb.0410291525.4ff3ba90@posting.google.com>, on 10/29/04
at 04:25 PM, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer) said:

I propose an office pool for SED. Which mentally and hormonally
imbalanced twit will blow their brains out first? Grise or Bloggs. These
guys are down right scary in thier beliefs and comments here. What will
they do when Bush wins next week? Hide all the sharp objects.

According to Kerry's second billionaire wife, there will be no violence
and rioting if her side wins, so the implication is that these two men,
along with all the other frustrated folks who think she and her old man
are the salvation of the nation, will break out into violence and blood
will run in the streets.... Hey, where have I heard that before???

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:25:27 -0700, Product developer wrote:

I propose an office pool for SED. Which mentally and hormonally imbalanced
twit will blow their brains out first? Grise or Bloggs. These guys are
down right scary in thier beliefs and comments here. What will they do
when Bush wins next week? Hide all the sharp objects.

Yes, hide all your sharp objects when Bush wins because the neighborhood
sweeps will arrest you as a suspected terrorist if they find them, and
you'll never be seen or heard from again.

Or is this why you're so fanatical? You want to be sure that you don't
get blown away with the rest of us undesirables?

Good Luck!
Rich