OT: If Kerry is elected...

[John Fields]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:44:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:15:46 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
...
Or just passionate about defending your home and family.

No. Passion gets in the way of rationality.

Ah, there's the rub. The power is in using both, simultaneously,
in alignment with each other. The passion provides the fuel, and
the reason directs that power intelligently. Don't forget,
passion is the root of compassion. (I just made that up. )

But I'm realizing that it would probably be extremely difficult
for me to "explain" this "new paradigm", when I consider what I
had to go through to get the understandings that I have.

People have been operating based on rules, judgememnts, and imprints
for so long that everybody's forgotten what free will is, let alone
how fundamentally integral it is to everything there is.

I guess I'm not going to save the world overnight. Sigh.

Or, I could say, "I release the judgement that says I can't heal the
world immediately."

---
If you believe that free will is something that should be
fundamentally undeniable to anyone, then you should realize that your
position is untenable in that wanting to "heal the world" would, of
necessity, deny that freedom to those whom you would consider to be at
cross-purposes with the way you feel your "healing" should be done.

--
John Fields

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:49:48 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:44:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:15:46 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
...
Or just passionate about defending your home and family.

No. Passion gets in the way of rationality.

Ah, there's the rub. The power is in using both, simultaneously, in
alignment with each other. The passion provides the fuel, and the reason
directs that power intelligently. Don't forget, passion is the root of
compassion. (I just made that up. )

But I'm realizing that it would probably be extremely difficult for me to
"explain" this "new paradigm", when I consider what I had to go through
to get the understandings that I have.

People have been operating based on rules, judgememnts, and imprints for
so long that everybody's forgotten what free will is, let alone how
fundamentally integral it is to everything there is.

I guess I'm not going to save the world overnight. Sigh.

Or, I could say, "I release the judgement that says I can't heal the
world immediately."

---
If you believe that free will is something that should be fundamentally
undeniable to anyone, then you should realize that your position is
untenable in that wanting to "heal the world" would, of necessity, deny
that freedom to those whom you would consider to be at cross-purposes with
the way you feel your "healing" should be done.

Well, I'm making some progress - it's taking increasingly more and more
words for you to continue to rationalize your own denial of your own will.

And, of course, everybody is free to continue to participate in the cycle
of karma, killing their own halves back and forth and back and forth,
generation after generation, or, they're free to rediscover their true
nature and let all the killing go.

Of course, each spirit has to own his own responsibility for creating
the pain and suffering that he has personally created by denying Will.
And so doing, of course, is where the healing is.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:49:48 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:44:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:15:46 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
...
Or just passionate about defending your home and family.

No. Passion gets in the way of rationality.

Ah, there's the rub. The power is in using both, simultaneously, in
alignment with each other. The passion provides the fuel, and the reason
directs that power intelligently. Don't forget, passion is the root of
compassion. (I just made that up. )

But I'm realizing that it would probably be extremely difficult for me to
"explain" this "new paradigm", when I consider what I had to go through
to get the understandings that I have.

People have been operating based on rules, judgememnts, and imprints for
so long that everybody's forgotten what free will is, let alone how
fundamentally integral it is to everything there is.

I guess I'm not going to save the world overnight. Sigh.

Or, I could say, "I release the judgement that says I can't heal the
world immediately."

---
If you believe that free will is something that should be fundamentally
undeniable to anyone, then you should realize that your position is
untenable in that wanting to "heal the world" would, of necessity, deny
that freedom to those whom you would consider to be at cross-purposes with
the way you feel your "healing" should be done.

Well, sorry for the dual reply, but I ran out of NG right in the middle of
a sermon. ;-)

By acknowledging that I'm the reincarnation of Jack the Ripper, that
brings him under my purview, and I can sit him down in the corner and
_make_ him behave himself. It's a very powerful feeling, knowing that
I can relieve some pain and suffering, somewhere. And the knowing that
every healing propagates through all the levels is a very nice feeling
indeed.

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:49:48 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:44:22 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:15:46 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:
...
Or just passionate about defending your home and family.

No. Passion gets in the way of rationality.

Ah, there's the rub. The power is in using both, simultaneously, in
alignment with each other. The passion provides the fuel, and the reason
directs that power intelligently. Don't forget, passion is the root of
compassion. (I just made that up. )

But I'm realizing that it would probably be extremely difficult for me to
"explain" this "new paradigm", when I consider what I had to go through
to get the understandings that I have.

People have been operating based on rules, judgememnts, and imprints for
so long that everybody's forgotten what free will is, let alone how
fundamentally integral it is to everything there is.

I guess I'm not going to save the world overnight. Sigh.

Or, I could say, "I release the judgement that says I can't heal the
world immediately."

---
If you believe that free will is something that should be fundamentally
undeniable to anyone, then you should realize that your position is
untenable in that wanting to "heal the world" would, of necessity, deny
that freedom to those whom you would consider to be at cross-purposes with
the way you feel your "healing" should be done.

Hey, thanks for the encouragement on the drug issue there, John. I've just
had another profound revelation: I _am_ the pot of gold at the end of the
rainbow!

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:43:10 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:21:40 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
hands. Kerry's past behavior shows what he would do as Prez.

You mean, he'd vote against invading Iraq again?

Are you dense? Kerry cannot be trusted to defend America.

Is there a name for the mental defect that makes people think
that "invade" has anything to do with "defend"?

Defense is Good.
Invasion is Bad.

Got that? Defense: Good. Invasion: Bad. Defense: Good.
Invasion: Bad.

Repeat until you get it.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

FREDFRAUD, VIETNAM VET IMPOSTER - Need I say any more?

Sounds like you're running out of brain power. You /do/ know that you
are not very much of a representative for the Bush contingent. You are
acting just like a little girl in tease mode. Now come clean, pussy
blowhard boy, tell us something about your background demonstrative of
an idealistic conviction for patriotism. I doubt you have much to say
because your biography is quite obvious: Thomas Seim served himself and
only himself, Thomas Seim believes in himself and in himself only,
Thomas Seim pledges allegiance to Thomas Seim, Thomas Seim is a strong
supporter of Thomas Seim and will fight to the death to defend Thomas
Seim. Thomas Seim is a very sick little hollow wisp of a human being.


Tough words from someone hiding behind a pseudonym.

Don't put yourself out with that lengthy response. Your entire life
story is all about hiding. First you hide behind a big bureaucracy to
cover up your lack of productivity, then you hide behind Bush
sloganeering to cover up your ignorance and confusion. You come on here
like some kind of all superior being and cannot accept the fact that you
have been thrashed by those you consider to be beneath your pompous ass.
Well get used to it- because in the real world, unlike your fantasy
government shit hole, people are valued for what the *do* rather than
what title they have.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<417A94CB.2020402@nospam.com>...

Tom Seim wrote:

FREDFRAUD, VIETNAM VET IMPOSTER - Need I say any more?

Sounds like you're running out of brain power. You /do/ know that you
are not very much of a representative for the Bush contingent. You are
acting just like a little girl in tease mode. Now come clean, pussy
blowhard boy, tell us something about your background demonstrative of
an idealistic conviction for patriotism. I doubt you have much to say
because your biography is quite obvious: Thomas Seim served himself and
only himself, Thomas Seim believes in himself and in himself only,
Thomas Seim pledges allegiance to Thomas Seim, Thomas Seim is a strong
supporter of Thomas Seim and will fight to the death to defend Thomas
Seim. Thomas Seim is a very sick little hollow wisp of a human being.


Tough words from someone hiding behind a pseudonym.

Don't put yourself out with that lengthy response. Your entire life
story is all about hiding. First you hide behind a big bureaucracy to
cover up your lack of productivity, then you hide behind Bush
sloganeering to cover up your ignorance and confusion. You come on here
like some kind of all superior being and cannot accept the fact that you
have been thrashed by those you consider to be beneath your pompous ass.
Well get used to it- because in the real world, unlike your fantasy
government shit hole, people are valued for what the *do* rather than
what title they have.


One thing I am NOT doing is hiding behind a pseudonym like a spineless
coward (wonder who comes to mind?).

Talk is cheap. Trust me, you don't want to run into me. You will get
injured.

What do you DO, fredfraud? Always quick to ask questions, never
willing to provide any personal details.

Your tactic all along was to present an aura of personal expertise.
Therefore it was only natural to ask just exactly what you do. Now that
we know the answer, nothing, you have been blown off that pedestal. You
are a complete ignoramus- all you know are Bush slogans, you don't seem
to be able to assimilate information very well, and you can't structure
an argument to save your life. You're quite stupid all around IOW.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Clarence" <no@No.com> schreef in bericht
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:45:39 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:


From a master that is a high complement indeed!
^^^^^^^^^^

Look it up, bonehead.
______________^^^^^^^^
Shame on you John, signing someone else's name! -)


I BEFORE E.

Usage Note:
Complement and compliment, though quite distinct in meaning, are sometimes
confused because they are pronounced the same.

As a noun, complement means something that completes or brings to
perfection

________________________________________________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(The antique silver was a complement to the beautifully set table); used
as a
verb it means to serve as a complement to.

The noun compliment means an expression or act of courtesy or praise
_____________________________^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(They gave us a compliment on our beautifully set table), while the verb
means
to pay a compliment to.

In this case either 'might' be used.

Nope. Nice try, but it should be 'compliment' or you have to
rebuild the entire sentence.

And there is something weird with:

In this case either 'might' be used.

Shouldn't that be:

In this case either may be used.

But if you are 11, you're doing well pretty well for
your age. Now *that* is a compliment

--
Thanks, Frank.
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[John Fields]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:30:48 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:12:03 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

It's interesting how many guys, when they want to insult someone,
resort to references to male members and excrement. It must be weird
going through life loathing the lower half of one's own body.

Odd that a death-worshipper should consider anything "weird."

---
My name is Rich,
I dodge and duck
a snag or hitch,
then jive and shuck

my way around
the truth at hand
until I've found
my never-land.

Where I'm a god
and you're just shit
and just my nod
will make you quit

making me look
inside myself...
A nasty book,
closed, on the shelf,

keeps demons hid
and fear at bay
and so I bid
adieu the way

the faint of heart
escape the fray:
let go a dart,
then run away.










--
John Fields

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:23:39 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:29:48 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:06:31 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:40:01 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:17:58 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:27:27 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
...
It would be pretty much impossible for your precious W to pick
'colleages' that are less smart than himself.

Well, he managed to graduate from Yale. Where did you graduate?

My dad couldn't afford to buy me a diploma.

---
Or, no doubt, spell it.

I gusss by now, I should know to expect this sort of disrespect
from the likes of you.

You have insulted my father, who is not present to defend himself.

You, sir, are beneath contempt.

---
If you can't even spell 'guess' properly, I don't think it's too
far-fetched to assume that he might have had trouble with 'diploma'.

I haven't been around here much for awhile...what's all this "Sh*t on
Rich" stuff about? John...ever heard of a typo?

Tom

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:52:13 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:34:47 +0200, Frank Bemelman wrote:

Another smoke curtain. I never said you should not have
freedom of speech. But freedom of speach does not mean you
can say everything you like and get it away with it.

Sorry, Frank, but that's _exactly_ what freedom of speech means.

---
Frayed knot. Abrogating the responsibility that goes with free speech
by yelling FIRE!!! in a movie theater, just because you want to, isn't
something you should be able to do with impunity.
---

I think Larkin needs medical attention, but I don't try to silence
him - I'd like to see him choose to educate himself, but I have to
fall back on the wisdom of my Dad, rest his soul: "I may not agree
with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
remain uninformed."

---
Larkin seems, to me, to be a pretty well-educated, level-headed guy
who, unlike you, doesn't seem to have the need to puff himself up in
public to make himself feel adequate.

As for that crap about your father, I've covered that in another post
which I'm sure you'll find informative, if not disquieting.

--
John Fields

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:23:13 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:02:11 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote in
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> schreef in bericht

Yes, and a while ago too. But does that make it okay to create
"piles of dead bodies" as long as the piles are smaller?


In that case the US should never have made the Normandy invasion or freed
Europe,then.Just left you all to Hitler.

Once again, you've got it ass-upside-down.

The US is now doing to Iraq what your friend did to France, after
doing Afghanistan like he did Poland. The ones the neocons are
calling "terrorists" are actually "the resistance."

But apparently doublethink is necessary for the neocons to
rationalize mass murder.

Remember who the invader is, here.

---
A 'pre-emptive strike' to excise a cancer which has been allowed to
grow, unchecked, for decades is a bad thing?

You can try to control a malignancy by reasoning with it, but as time
goes by and it grows and becomes more and more destructive despite its
avowed intentions to the contrary, the time comes when it must be
removed. Unfortunately, the state of our knowledge of surgery at
present requires that in order to completely remove the cancer some
healthy tissue must also be removed. Doubly unfortunate is the fact
that, allowed to grow for long enough, a cancer will metastasize.
Such seems to be the case here, which will necessitate ferreting out
every single cell and dealing with it appropriately, as we're learning
how to do.

Do you believe that Saddam Hussein and company are something other
than a self-serving malignancy with no concern for anything but
themselves?

If you do, then I suggest that your loyalties lie with our enemies.

--
John Fields

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Ken Smith wrote:

In article <pan.2004.10.17.09.30.12.380646@example.net>,
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
[... Kerry ..]

He wants us to all get healthcare coverage on somebody else's paycheck.


This is not correct based on what I've heard him say and read.

His main starting points on health care are:

(1) With larger groups you get more bargening power assuming you don't
pass a law making it illegal to seek a lower price.

(2) If we can catch health care issues earlier they will cost less to deal
with.



How does the value of the money you spend on healthcare get increased
by going through the government first?


This question assumes facts that are not in the evidence so I won't answer
it.

Yes it does- because the plan is modeled on the existing plan used by
Congress for their health insurance.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:23:13 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:02:11 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:

"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote in
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> schreef in bericht

Yes, and a while ago too. But does that make it okay to create
"piles of dead bodies" as long as the piles are smaller?


In that case the US should never have made the Normandy invasion or
freed
Europe,then.Just left you all to Hitler.

Once again, you've got it ass-upside-down.

The US is now doing to Iraq what your friend did to France, after
doing Afghanistan like he did Poland. The ones the neocons are
calling "terrorists" are actually "the resistance."

But apparently doublethink is necessary for the neocons to
rationalize mass murder.

Remember who the invader is, here.

---
A 'pre-emptive strike' to excise a cancer which has been allowed to
grow, unchecked, for decades is a bad thing?

You can try to control a malignancy by reasoning with it, but as time
goes by and it grows and becomes more and more destructive despite its
avowed intentions to the contrary, the time comes when it must be
removed. Unfortunately, the state of our knowledge of surgery at
present requires that in order to completely remove the cancer some
healthy tissue must also be removed. Doubly unfortunate is the fact
that, allowed to grow for long enough, a cancer will metastasize.
Such seems to be the case here, which will necessitate ferreting out
every single cell and dealing with it appropriately, as we're learning
how to do.

Do you believe that Saddam Hussein and company are something other
than a self-serving malignancy with no concern for anything but
themselves?

If you do, then I suggest that your loyalties lie with our enemies.

Well, well, the world as John Fiels see it. Go fuck yourself and
perform a pre-emptive strick on your own person.

And let me add, start removing the cancers in your own back garden,
for a change. There are plenty of them.

--
Thanks, Frank.
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[Fred Bloggs]

Frank Bemelman wrote:

And let me add, start removing the cancers in your own back garden,
for a change. There are plenty of them.

The cancer is the truly EVIL in positions of power- like that
good-for-nothing incompetent low-life Donald Rumsfeld- who WILL be
booted out of the Pentagon. Here is a picture of one those described by
the arrogant Rumsfeld as "fungible":
http://www.ogrish.com/view_attachment.php?id=45392
- We know war is the most detestable hell man can make on the Earth and
that sometimes it is necessary- but we make damned sure it IS necessary
and THE last resort first.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

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Frank Bemelman wrote:

It means that the majority has voted
for a proven war criminal.

Gore was/is a war criminal?

Another smart ass. First, I am talking about the outcome of this
election, not the one of 4 years ago. Second, Bush was not a war
criminal at that time, neither was/is Gore.


Oh? When was Bush convicted, and by what American Court? I thought
the Congress could only Impeach, and that a sitting President can not
be tried
for
anything but civil charges.

There are plenty war criminals that are not convicted (yet).

Come to think of it, who would have standing to make such a charge?
A Terrorist?

The international Court of Justice.



ah,yes,the court comprised of countries that have no justice in their
own
lands.No freedom,either.

?????????????

The present composition of the Court is as follows: President Shi Jiuyong
(China); Vice-President Raymond Ranjeva (Madagascar); Judges Gilbert
Guillaume (France); Abdul G. Koroma (Sierra Leone) ; Vladlen S. Vereshchetin
(Russian Federation); Rosalyn Higgins (United Kingdom); Gonzalo
Parra-Aranguren (Venezuela); Pieter H. Kooijmans (Netherlands); Francisco
Rezek (Brazil); Awn Shawkat Al-Khasawneh (Jordan); Thomas Buergenthal
(United States of America); Nabil Elaraby (Egypt); Hisashi Owada (Japan);
Bruno Simma (Germany) and Peter Tomka (Slovakia).


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[Clarence]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
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In article <1aicd.14557$nj.1516@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
Clarence <no@No.com> wrote:
[...]
The international Court of Justice.

Which has no jurisdiction over US citizens and no standing with Americans.
The Constitution does not permit a court to impose it's self on America by
declaration.

So maybe they have to invade and take over the country to do it. That
wouldn't be hard. Just show up on superbowl sunday diguised as pizza
delivery drivers.

It is really who has the guns that controls who gets arrested for their
crimes. That doesn't change the moral situation though.

I realize that this is only a Joke. The UN is totally dependant on the US for
most of their funding, now that the bribes from Saddam have been cut off. It
has unfortunately begun to regard it's self as a dictatorial world government,
which it is NOT and was never intended to be. It has no military except the
members who assign a detachment to serve "For humanitarian purposes," and can
not even agree on what the goals are when there is a move to save or preserve
the peace.

The Moral situation is simply that a contingent of nut cases are running around
yelling that "the sky is falling" and blaming Bush. What a Pitiful excuse to
explain their cowardice! If they oppose the attempts to achieve peace in Iraq,
they should go and fight along side those of a like mind in Iraq, by becoming
active terrorists instead of just being in the propaganda branch.



----

 

[Frank Bemelman]

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"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> schreef in bericht
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Do you believe that Saddam Hussein and company are something other
than a self-serving malignancy with no concern for anything but
themselves?

If you do, then I suggest that your loyalties lie with our enemies.

Well, well, the world as John Fiels see it. Go fuck yourself and
perform a pre-emptive strick on your own person.

And let me add, start removing the cancers in your own back garden,
for a change. There are plenty of them.

---
Yes, Frank, there are cancers _everywhere_. We all know that, and I'm
sure that once we come to realize that the most vocal opponents to
surgery are the cancers themselves, and their supporters, we'll all
be in a better position to help get rid of them.

Analogies don't work very often. It's okay to remove cancers, but
a proper diagnoses is more important, just to prevent amputating
a whole leg, where you actually suffer a sore toe. Try to get that
into your skull.

We both live in very rich countries. Money to burn, shops all over
the place, if your TV goes on the blink tonight, you have another
one tomorrow afternoon. The world however, has many different places
and our lifestyle isn't the holy grail or the answer to everything.

Last week I was in France, and in my hotel room was a magazine with
some daily pictures of life in Tibet. A professional photograhper
at work. One photo really struck me, and I kept the magazine. I'll
make a copy of that picture and will upload it. Give me an hour or
so.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbemelma/tibetwomanchild.jpg

You probably don't understand my point anyway, so I am not
going to waste my time explaining it.

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John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:43:14 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:


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On 16 Oct 2004 16:02:11 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:



In that case the US should never have made the Normandy invasion or freed
Europe,then.Just left you all to Hitler.

Problem is, the Europeans will never forgive us for saving them,
twice. Or three times, if you include the Soviets.

A bigger problem exists if you can't see the difference between the
two events, liberation of Europe and invasion of Iraq.



Let's see, how many European countries didn't approve of the D-Day
invasion of France? Five that I can think of, if you include Vichy.

John

WWII is not a valid analogy for the "situation" insofar as grading the
obstacles. Bush made reference to this during the first debate- and
numerous War College and other strategy experts shot it down within
hours. But if you're such a little girl that you can't endure learning
about contrary ideas then you would have missed this.

 

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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:08:00 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
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Do you believe the US is a better place now, compared to the situation
before the invasion?

Somewhat, but that's not a causality.

I'm surprised you say that.


You are surprised that I try to think about what's actually happening,
and what the results may be, as opposed to ranting emotionally.

Burry your emotions John, if that makes you feel better.

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