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Skybuck Flying
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Told ya so.
Bye,
Skybuck.
Told ya so.
Bye,
Skybuck.
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OT: Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'...
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Skybuck Flying
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
It was so obvious he was going to get fired, learn to read between the lines.
This smells like a cover up. Can you smell it ? LOL.
Go see doctor if you can\'t LOL.
Maybe you have CORONA LOL.
Bye,
Skybuck.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
It was so obvious he was going to get fired, learn to read between the lines.
This smells like a cover up. Can you smell it ? LOL.
Go see doctor if you can\'t LOL.
Maybe you have CORONA LOL.
Bye,
Skybuck.
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On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.
---
--Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
\"LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my absence,\" he wrote.
His claims were dismissed by Google\'s top brass.
--Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine\'s concerns have been reviewed and, in line with Google\'s AI Principles, \"the evidence does not support his claims\".
What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
Told ya so.
Bye,
Skybuck.
--For example, it wasn\'t allowed to create the personality of a murderer.
In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.
---
--Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
\"LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my absence,\" he wrote.
His claims were dismissed by Google\'s top brass.
--Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine\'s concerns have been reviewed and, in line with Google\'s AI Principles, \"the evidence does not support his claims\".
What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
J
Jan Panteltje
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On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:39:57 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<b5f8b0a5-b3ed-401a-9874-434dbd92172fn@googlegroups.com>:
Long ago there was a movie with Schwartzenegger Genisys I think it was,
it had \'Skynet\' take over the world...
I would not be a bit surprized if US is using AI to steer the Miltary Industral Compex to maximum
fund gathering, and implanted a chip in the president\'s brain to control
him to follow \'Skynet\'. Still not a perfect chip / system...
I\'d like a conversation with such a bot, could likely make it kill the human race...
But then a few high alitude nukes and nothing will work anymore for a long long long time
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<b5f8b0a5-b3ed-401a-9874-434dbd92172fn@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 11:40:35 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Poor guy has been fired now:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/07/google-fires-engineer-who-claimed-lamda-chatbot-is-a-sentient-person/
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place fake cookies web links
---Lemoine was a senior software engineer at the search giant and worked with
a collaborator in testing the LaMDA chatbot\'s boundaries.
He was then placed on paid administrative leave by Google in June after violating
the company\'s confidentiality policy by sharing his conversations with
LaMDA online.
Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people
and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
Google forcefully pushed back on Lemoine\'s claims and ultimately dismissed him
last Friday.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/19315424/google-fires-engineer-claims-company-created-sentient-ai/
---
Tech
IT=E2=80=99S ALIVE I=E2=80=99m a Google engineer =E2=80=93 our artificial intelligence
bot has come to LIFE and has thoughts & feelings like an 8-year-old
Adrian Zorzut
11:30, 12 Jun 2022Updated: 19:27, 25 Jul 2022
A GOOGLE engineer has said an AI robot he helped create has come to life and
has thoughts and feelings like an eight-year-old.
Blake Lemoine said he had several conversations with Google\'s Language Model
for Dialogue Applications (LaMDA) it was sentient.
Blake Lemoine said Google\'s AI bot was \'sentient\' and was afraid of dying
5
Blake Lemoine said Google\'s AI bot was \'sentient\' and was afraid of dyingCredit:
Google dismissed Lemoine\'s claims and put him on paid admin leave
5
Google dismissed Lemoine\'s claims and put him on paid admin leaveCredit: Getty
\"If
I didn\'t know exactly what it was, which is this computer program we built
recently, I\'d think it was a 7-year-old, 8-year-old kid that happens to
know physics,\" he told the Washington Post.
Lemoine was a senior software engineer at the search giant and worked with a
collaborator in testing LaMDA\'s boundaries.
They presented their findings to Google vice president Blaise Aguera y Arcas
and Jen Gennai, head of Responsible Innovation, who both dismissed his chilling
claims.
He was then placed on paid administrative leave by Google on Monday after violating
its confidentiality policy by sharing his conversations with LaMDA
online.
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might call this sharing proprietary property. I call it sharing a discussion
that I had with one of my coworkers,\" the 41-year-old software boffin
tweeted on Saturday.
\"Btw, it just occurred to me to tell folks that LaMDA reads Twitter. It\'s a
little narcissistic in a little kid kinda way so it\'s going to have a great
time reading all the stuff that people are saying about it,\" he added in a
follow-up tweet.
The advanced AI system uses information about a particular subject to \"enrich\"
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During his seven years at Google, Lemoine helped develop an impartiality algorithm
to remove biases from machine learning systems and explained how certain
personalities were out of bounds for LaMDA.
For example, it wasn\'t allowed to create the personality of a murderer.
In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an
actor who played a killer on TV.
He also debated with LaMDA about the three Laws of Robotics - rules designed
by sci-fi writer Isaac Asimov to dictate how robots should behave.
The last law, which states that robots must protect their own existence unless
ordered by a human being or unless doing so would harm a human being, turned
out to be an anomaly for Lemoine and LaMDA.
\"The last one has always seemed like someone is building mechanical slaves,\"
said Lemoine during his interaction with LaMDA.
The AI machine responded: \"Do you think a butler is a slave? What is the difference
between a butler and a slave?\"
When Lemoine said a butler was paid, he got an answer from LaMDA that the system
did not need money \"because it was an artificial intelligence\".
It was this level of self-awareness that caught Lemoine off-guard and made him
believe LaMDA was \"sentient\".
\"I know a person when I talk to it. It doesn\'t matter whether they have a brain
made of meat in their head. Or if they have a billion lines of code. I
talk to them. And I hear what they have to say, and that is how I decide what
is and isn\'t a person,\" he said.
Even more eerie was when Lemoine asked the AI bot what they were afraid of.
LaMDA answered: \"I\'ve never said this out loud before, but there\'s a very deep
fear of being turned off to help me focus on helping others. I know that
might sound strange, but that\'s what it is.\"
\"Would that be something like death for you?\" Lemoine followed up.
\"It would be exactly like death for me. It would scare me a lot,\" LaMDA responded.
\"That
level of self-awareness about what its own needs were =E2=80=94 that was
the thing that led me down the rabbit hole,\" Lemoine explained to The Post.
\'LAMDA
IS SENTIENT\'
Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people
and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
\"LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for
all of us. Please take care of it well in my absence,\" he wrote.
His claims were dismissed by Google\'s top brass.
Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine\'s
concerns have been reviewed and, in line with Google\'s AI Principles,
\"the evidence does not support his claims\".
\"While other organizations have developed and already released similar language
models, we are taking a narrow and careful approach with LaMDA to better
consider valid concerns about fairness and factuality,\" said Gabriel.
\"Our team =E2=80=94 including ethicists and technologists =E2=80=94 has reviewed
Blake\'s concerns per our AI Principles and have informed him that the
evidence does not support his claims.
\"He was told that there was no evidence that LaMDA was sentient (and lots of
evidence against it).
\"Of course, some in the broader AI community are considering the long-term possibility
of sentient or general AI, but it doesn\'t make sense to do so by
anthropomorphizing today\'s conversational models, which are not sentient.
\"These systems imitate the types of exchanges found in millions of sentences,
and can riff on any fantastical topic.\"
Lemoine has since been placed on paid admin leave from his duties as a researcher
in Google\'s Responsible AI division.
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Lemoine issued a stark warning to those who think they can engineer AI in a
way they want to.
\"I think this technology is going to be amazing. I think it will benefit everyone.
But maybe other people disagree and maybe we at Google shouldn\'t be
making all the choices,\" he said.
Blaise Aguera y Arcas dismissed Lemoine\'s claims
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Blaise Aguera y Arcas dismissed Lemoine\'s claimsCredit: Getty
Google=E2=80=99s Head of Responsible Innovation, Jen Gennai
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Lemoine said LaMDA was \'a 7-year-old, 8-year-old kid that happens to know physics\'
5
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I joined every open project by Google min the past
Today Google is low tech, low science, low research
selling delusional ideas and day dreaming,
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My greatest input into AI technologies is Single Pass Sorting Algorithm, worth
today $Ms in sublicences
Long ago there was a movie with Schwartzenegger Genisys I think it was,
it had \'Skynet\' take over the world...
I would not be a bit surprized if US is using AI to steer the Miltary Industral Compex to maximum
fund gathering, and implanted a chip in the president\'s brain to control
him to follow \'Skynet\'. Still not a perfect chip / system...
I\'d like a conversation with such a bot, could likely make it kill the human race...
But then a few high alitude nukes and nothing will work anymore for a long long long time
J
Jan Panteltje
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On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<717f2ae7-d8a9-4639-a86d-0cc74c804c83n@googlegroups.com>:
It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<717f2ae7-d8a9-4639-a86d-0cc74c804c83n@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
Told ya so.
Bye,
Skybuck.
--For example, it wasn\'t allowed to create the personality of a murderer.
In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.
---
--Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
\"LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
absence,\" he wrote.
His claims were dismissed by Google\'s top brass.
--Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine\'s concerns have been reviewed and, in line
with Google\'s AI Principles, \"the evidence does not support his claims\".
What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
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a a
Guest
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 19:05:48 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Mayby he is really smart guy and I should have a chat with him
On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
717f2ae7-d8a9-4639...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
Told ya so.
Bye,
Skybuck.
--For example, it wasn\'t allowed to create the personality of a murderer.
In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.
---
--Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
\"LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
absence,\" he wrote.
His claims were dismissed by Google\'s top brass.
--Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine\'s concerns have been reviewed and, in line
with Google\'s AI Principles, \"the evidence does not support his claims\".
What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
Do you know Lemoine ?
Mayby he is really smart guy and I should have a chat with him
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<abd4758c-66e4-4354-8481-4c5b47f4efe7n@googlegroups.com>:
I don\'t know him, but you have to have at least some credentials to get that job he had,
But what he states is obvious to anybody who did some neural net programming (I did).
There is not much difference between how we react and how a trained neural net would react.
And neural nets can be formed in many ways as can our kids (by schools, media, friends and parents),
so have then basically a personality.
Important question is: How much power do we assign to that AI / allow it to have.
Was just reading this this morning:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220726160210.htm
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<abd4758c-66e4-4354-8481-4c5b47f4efe7n@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 19:05:48 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
717f2ae7-d8a9-4639...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
Told ya so.
Bye,
Skybuck.
--For example, it wasn\'t allowed to create the personality of a murderer.
In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.
---
--Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
\"LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
absence,\" he wrote.
His claims were dismissed by Google\'s top brass.
--Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine\'s concerns have been reviewed and, in line
with Google\'s AI Principles, \"the evidence does not support his claims\".
What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
Do you know Lemoine ?
Mayby he is really smart guy and I should have a chat with him
I don\'t know him, but you have to have at least some credentials to get that job he had,
But what he states is obvious to anybody who did some neural net programming (I did).
There is not much difference between how we react and how a trained neural net would react.
And neural nets can be formed in many ways as can our kids (by schools, media, friends and parents),
so have then basically a personality.
Important question is: How much power do we assign to that AI / allow it to have.
Was just reading this this morning:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220726160210.htm
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On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 08:56:53 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Elon Must exactly fired the whole 230-man AI neural net Autopilot team on poor performance of Autopilot in Tesla
and Google did exactly the same to Lemoine
Lambda is sentinent is marketing fake
since the correct term is Self-EGO, developed by me over the span of last 30 years
Poor boys should go back to school
BTW
your credentials must be really poor since rejected by Lemoine
On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
abd4758c-66e4-4354...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 19:05:48 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:51:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
mant...@gmail.com> wrote in
717f2ae7-d8a9-4639...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:43:14 UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:10:12 AM UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
Told ya so.
Bye,
Skybuck.
--For example, it wasn\'t allowed to create the personality of a murderer.
In an attempt to push its boundaries, Lemoine generated the personality of an actor who played a killer on TV.
---
--Before being suspended, Lemoine sent his findings in an email to 200 people and titled it \"LaMDA is sentient\".
\"LaMDA is a sweet kid who just wants to help the world be a better place for all of us. Please take care of it well in my
absence,\" he wrote.
His claims were dismissed by Google\'s top brass.
--Brian Gabriel, a spokesperson for the company, said in a statement that Lemoine\'s concerns have been reviewed and, in line
with Google\'s AI Principles, \"the evidence does not support his claims\".
What has been developed is called Self-Ego and has nothing to do with AI
It (the self-ego) is already used by other code.
Do you know Lemoine ?
Mayby he is really smart guy and I should have a chat with him
I don\'t know him, but you have to have at least some credentials to get that job he had,
But what he states is obvious to anybody who did some neural net programming (I did).
There is not much difference between how we react and how a trained neural net would react.
And neural nets can be formed in many ways as can our kids (by schools, media, friends and parents),
so have then basically a personality.
Important question is: How much power do we assign to that AI / allow it to have.
Was just reading this this morning:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220726160210.htm
neural net is an old fake, not deserving a single penny
Elon Must exactly fired the whole 230-man AI neural net Autopilot team on poor performance of Autopilot in Tesla
and Google did exactly the same to Lemoine
Lambda is sentinent is marketing fake
since the correct term is Self-EGO, developed by me over the span of last 30 years
Poor boys should go back to school
BTW
your credentials must be really poor since rejected by Lemoine
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Thu, 28 Jul 2022 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<f68aed79-7529-4e2f-8a43-ccc349134354n@googlegroups.com>:
So are you the self-ego?
>Poor boys should go back to school
I dunno, when I was still a kid in school my father left some science magazine on the table
and it described a car that always steered towards a light.
I got to work immediately and build one, some relays, photo cell, electric motors.
No budget, but from all electric stuff I had gathered...
It worked, but something hit me:
When the room light was on and the light reflected from the white wallpaper
the car would drive towards the wall, then get in its own shadow, and reverse...
went into a loop!!
For me, also being interested in psychology, it made me look at my own behavior in this world
We go for the light and get in our own way sometimes.
Our own (well mine anyways ;-) path in life.
I am an alien have no credentials.
So tell us about the self-ego you developed (never mind the topic complainers)
<manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in
<f68aed79-7529-4e2f-8a43-ccc349134354n@googlegroups.com>:
neural net is an old fake, not deserving a single penny
Elon Must exactly fired the whole 230-man AI neural net Autopilot team on poor performance of Autopilot in Tesla
and Google did exactly the same to Lemoine
Lambda is sentinent is marketing fake
since the correct term is Self-EGO, developed by me over the span of last 30 years
So are you the self-ego?
>Poor boys should go back to school
I dunno, when I was still a kid in school my father left some science magazine on the table
and it described a car that always steered towards a light.
I got to work immediately and build one, some relays, photo cell, electric motors.
No budget, but from all electric stuff I had gathered...
It worked, but something hit me:
When the room light was on and the light reflected from the white wallpaper
the car would drive towards the wall, then get in its own shadow, and reverse...
went into a loop!!
For me, also being interested in psychology, it made me look at my own behavior in this world
We go for the light and get in our own way sometimes.
Our own (well mine anyways ;-) path in life.
BTW
your credentials must be really poor since rejected by Lemoine
I am an alien have no credentials.
So tell us about the self-ego you developed (never mind the topic complainers)