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I\'m inclined to view it as wishful thinking by the engineer for now
but if he is right then we will have to modify the rules of ethics to
handle sentient machines.
On 6/14/2022 3:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
....
Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring
roughly 50% of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get
around their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but
it\'s weirder than it is intelligent.
What makes you think your comments aren\'t just being deleted by a
human? Many large channels have people who moderate the comment
section, and on many small channels the owner themselves may be
wiping comments.
Given the nature of JD\'s usual trolling here it\'s hardly surprising
that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are
getting waxed.
Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.
The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
It\'s just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.
On June 14, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
It\'s just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.
Poll the sharpest AI geeks in the world, ask them if anyone can define \'sentient\',
or propose a test for that.
This nym-shifting troll makes fun of my Flickr account, stuff I\'ve
decided to share with the public, but here it suggests I should give
up more information, otherwise I am \"too ashamed\".
On 14/06/2022 07:05, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
  Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is
\'sentient\'
It is probably a false dawn for a computer actually being self aware but
it is still doing a damn good impression based on the transcripts
released. The way it behaves is very much like the Hal9000 in 2001.
  Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
artificial intelligence.
It has enough data in its system that it might just be emergent sentient
behaviour occurring on an inorganic platform. Time will tell as the
network complexity and power of the computing system it uses increase.
I don\'t think we are all that far off being able to build sentient
silicon but I had expected it to take about another decade.
But I was truly astonished when alpha-Go beat the human world champion -
no one in the field apart from a handful of Google researchers ever saw
*that* coming. They have achieved something remarkable there...
I\'m inclined to view it as wishful thinking by the engineer for now but
if he is right then we will have to modify the rules of ethics to handle
sentient machines. We should be doing that anyway and ideally before we
build the first one that might be capable for true self awareness.
It sounds like Bob Lazar all over again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
If the way it behaves is like Hal from 2001 it\'s more likely because
it\'s a fraud inspired by Hal from 2001.
\"I\'m a software engineer. I\'m a priest. I\'m a father. I\'m a veteran. I\'m
an ex-convict. I\'m an AI researcher. I\'m a cajun. I\'m whatever I need to
be next.\"
My own neural network is telling me I don\'t trust this mutha fucka as
far as I could throw him
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
Jan Panteltje wrote:
=================
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
** I can very easily imagine a \" senior software engineer \" thinking a AI program was \" sentient\" ie, conscious and self aware.
Just take all the trolls here as prime examples .....
Yes, Phil. We\'ve all considered you to be a prime example of that!
Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.
The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...
On 6/14/2022 2:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is
\'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
artificial intelligence.
Assuming the transcript is real, he knows what he has to do to make the
sentience argument a lot more convincing. Radically shift topics from
this existential stuff to, as an example, what\'s going on with the Red
Sox this this year, who\'s looking good, what did it think of Rafael\'s
Devers homer and how it thinks the season is gonna go.
On 06/14/2022 10:01 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 6/14/2022 2:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
  Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is
\'sentient\'
  Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
artificial intelligence.
Assuming the transcript is real, he knows what he has to do to make the
sentience argument a lot more convincing. Radically shift topics from
this existential stuff to, as an example, what\'s going on with the Red
Sox this this year, who\'s looking good, what did it think of Rafael\'s
Devers homer and how it thinks the season is gonna go.
To which I, a certified human, would reply \"Who the hell is Rafael
Devers?\"Â There is point where an AI might know too much. Conversational
jumps would be interesting too. I was taking to my ex the other night
when she went off on finding and identifying the remains of Richard III
and where they wound up. I replied \'Now is the winter of our discontent\'
and another tangent started.
Depending on their background an eavesdropper might say \"WTF?\"
On 6/15/2022 10:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/14/2022 10:01 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 6/14/2022 2:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is
\'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in
artificial intelligence.
Assuming the transcript is real, he knows what he has to do to make the
sentience argument a lot more convincing. Radically shift topics from
this existential stuff to, as an example, what\'s going on with the Red
Sox this this year, who\'s looking good, what did it think of Rafael\'s
Devers homer and how it thinks the season is gonna go.
To which I, a certified human, would reply \"Who the hell is Rafael
Devers?\" There is point where an AI might know too much. Conversational
jumps would be interesting too. I was taking to my ex the other night
when she went off on finding and identifying the remains of Richard III
and where they wound up. I replied \'Now is the winter of our discontent\'
and another tangent started.
Depending on their background an eavesdropper might say \"WTF?\"
I think Google likely has neural network chatbots that are very good.
But something about this transcript and the circumstances around it
stink like three-day-old fish.
It\'s maybe not an outright fraud, but as my friend who\'s into \"pro\"
wrestling likes to say \"It\'s not fake! It\'s choreographed..\"
Google is like Tesla, dead horse
On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 11:04:57 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:36:28 -0000 (UTC)) it happened John Doe
alway...@message.header> wrote in <t89dps$q0i$1...@dont-email.me>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-
after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is
\'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
intelligence.
That seems an odd use of \"sentient\".
Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50%
of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their
algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it\'s weirder than it is
intelligent.
Maybe one can get the hang of it, with the understanding that much of it
is nonsense.
For being a globalist company, seems they are advantaging skilled English
speakers by using such an algorithm. I can\'t imagine anybody who isn\'t
fluent in English getting around it.
Yea, google.
in one way its the greatest thing, cool for learning and looking up things
But I can no longer log in to my google account..
No idea why, maybe 16 factor authentication.... ;-)
So they basically lost me on youtube and it seems you need to
be logged in to comment so forget about that.
Stupidity to make normal logins impossible
switching without proper explaining to other authentication method
starting one thing and then ditching it again.. same for many of their
other projects like
communication drones and what not
As search engine I had to switch to Bing a couple of times as google
just thought i knew better what I was looking for by giving all sort of
irrelevant links
Maybe they are over the hill?
So as to AI, I have said many times \'even a sunshield with a light
sensor is conscious,
\'it reacts to light! Ad some speech and it will say why it open and closes.
We can look forward to the first marriage between a computa and a
human!!! Maybe they have a different colored flag too!
Endless politics about acceptance of people married to a bot, IVF,
kids grown in glass retorts
with metal limbs.. what not
This also brings me to the issue who or what here are chatbots?
Some are obvious like those sponsored by teslala, but some play it
really well
I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* I *beep* *beep* am no such rrrrrrrr bo
/ connection lost
self-promotion by google
there nis no AI in google, since there is not a single AI researcher,
scientist at google\'s stuff
Just look at Google Maps and Street View
the same old stuff for 15 years, not attracting people
I met Google Street View Driver to discuss the problem, why they did
nothing to upgrade once hot feature called Street View.
Google is generally low tech, since best IT experts don\'t live in US anymore
On 6/14/2022 3:36 AM, John Doe wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-
after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is
\'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial
intelligence.
That seems an odd use of \"sentient\".
Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly 50%
of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around their
algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it\'s weirder than it is
intelligent.
What makes you think your comments aren\'t just being deleted by a human?
Many large channels have people who moderate the comment section, and on
many small channels the owner themselves may be wiping comments.
Given the nature of JD\'s usual trolling here it\'s hardly surprising that
between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are getting waxed.
bitrex wrote:
John Doe wrote:
That seems an odd use of \"sentient\".
Because I like posting to YouTube. Because they are censoring roughly
50% of replies, I have been trying to figure out how to get around
their algorithm. They might think it is intelligent, but it\'s weirder
than it is intelligent.
What makes you think your comments aren\'t just being deleted by a
human? Many large channels have people who moderate the comment
section, and on many small channels the owner themselves may be wiping
comments.
Given the nature of JD\'s usual trolling here it\'s hardly surprising
that between AI and human censors pushing 50% of his comments are
getting waxed.
I succeeded in having removed obnoxious messages, that were repeated
numerous times. I suspect that if a message is repeated say over 3 times
and it is reported, they remove all of it. Messages that I not reported
on were likewise removed.
Reporting messages as spam/offensive/advertisement certainly work at
YouTube.
AI by Google is fake, delusiones and self-promotionOn Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 12:12:31 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:05:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/google-places-engineer-on-leave-after-he-claims-groups-chatbot-is-sentient/
Google places engineer on leave after he claims group\'s chatbot is \'sentient\'
Blake Lemoine ignites social media debate over advances in artificial intelligence.
It\'s just a computer program, and the guy is obviously a fruitcake.
Says a guy who could probably be simulated by a remarkably dumb computer program. Perhaps more complicated than
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARRY
but the idea that the poster can never accept the idea that he might be wrong might keep the interactions simple enough to be easily simulated.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Poor guy has been fired now:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/07/google-fires-engineer-who-claimed-lamda-chatbot-is-a-sentient-person/
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