OT: Goodbye to the American Dream

[Jim Thompson]

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

<http://www.ocregister.com/articles/new-677511-millennials-economic.html>

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 12:32:58 UTC+10, Jim Thompson wrote:

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/new-677511-millennials-economic.html

It's silly. The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the economy in order to preserve the planet.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

If we tried to do this overnight - which we can't - it would raise the price of electricity. I used to say that it would double it, but solar cell prices have gone down and solar cell efficiency has gone up. Solar power and wind power is now roughly competitive with fossil-fueled generators. Their output isn't as dispatchable, which poses other problems - big thermal solar generators which can store a day or so's energy output in well-insulated tanks of molten salts do seem seem to be a necessary part of the long term solution.

There are any number of commentator out there who haven't realised this, and a fair number who are being paid by the fossil-carbon extraction industry to obfusticate the message.

Claiming that George Monbiot is a "wreck-the-economy environmentalist" is wrong enough to put Joel Kotkin in one or other of these groups.

The attempt to involve Obama does suggest that this is Republican Party propaganda directed at Republicans with more money than sense. Jim is merely a right-wing nitwit with a rather poor grasp of reality, so he probably wasn't an intended target.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 14:04:36 UTC+10, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:

The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the
economy in order to preserve the planet.

But if your slice of the economy is selling RVs, 4x4 pickup trucks and bass
boats, then yes, they want to cripple it.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a
way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which
involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

I get a real laugh out of all the greenies with their wind, solar and micro
houses (use less resources, you know). And invariably, every one of them that
plans such a layout comes in with the marketing brochure showing the cute
little cabin sitting in the middle of 40 unoccupied acres of pristine
wilderness. With a breathtaking view.

That's marketing for you.

The reality is: if you want to save resources, that micro house will be
located in a trailer park with 5 feet of space between your kitchen window
and the neighbor's carport. Better yet, on a major city arterial with a bus
line. Or more realistically, that 'micro house' will be an apartment in a
high rise block that looks like something the Soviets built.

There are plenty of high rise apartments in blocks that don't look like anything the Soviets built. I live in one, and I've got a distressingly good view of one built a few years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_Apartments

it was there when we bought our current apartment in favour of one in the Horizon building - which are noisier, and badly affected by the air-currents around the building. Those pretty balconies do seems to pretty much unusable.

That idealized pastoral lifestyle has a huge f*ing carbon footprint, what
with every trip to the town store being a 20 mile drive. And the wood stove.
If they loved the environment, they stay out of it.

Ask Joerg - he cycles to the town store. The wood stove doesn't have any carbon footprint - if you cut your trees locally. Our house in the Netherlands had half an acres of garden, enough for 25 trees. The house had been there since 1936, and some of trees were post-mature and had to be cut down - we couldn't burn enough wood to keep ahead of the tree surgeon.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 14:12:52 UTC+10, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:04:20 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:

The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the
economy in order to preserve the planet.

But if your slice of the economy is selling RVs, 4x4 pickup trucks and bass
boats, then yes, they want to cripple it.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a
way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which
involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

I get a real laugh out of all the greenies with their wind, solar and micro
houses (use less resources, you know). And invariably, evey one of them that
plans such a layout comes in with the marketing brochure showing the cute
little cabin sitting in the middle of 40 unoccupied acres of pristene
wilderness. With a breathtaking view.

The reality is: if you want to save resources, that micro house will be
located in a trailer park with 5 feet of space between your kitchen window
and the neighbor's carport. Better yet, on a major city arterial with a bus
line. Or more realistically, that 'micro house' will be an apartment in a
high rise block that looks like something the Soviets built.

That idealized pastoral lifestyle has a huge f*ing carbon footprint, what
with every trip to the town store being a 20 mile drive. And the wood stove.
If they loved the environment, they stay out of it.

Sloman is the very definition of PANSY ;-)

I wonder what prompted that? Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson must think
that every butch guy (and him) are suckers for low-grade Republican party propaganda, with the corollary than anybody who can think for themselves has to be effete. This doesn't actually follow.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[rickman]

On 8/18/2015 12:04 AM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:

The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the
economy in order to preserve the planet.

But if your slice of the economy is selling RVs, 4x4 pickup trucks and bass
boats, then yes, they want to cripple it.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a
way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which
involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

I get a real laugh out of all the greenies with their wind, solar and micro
houses (use less resources, you know). And invariably, evey one of them that
plans such a layout comes in with the marketing brochure showing the cute
little cabin sitting in the middle of 40 unoccupied acres of pristene
wilderness. With a breathtaking view.

The reality is: if you want to save resources, that micro house will be
located in a trailer park with 5 feet of space between your kitchen window
and the neighbor's carport. Better yet, on a major city arterial with a bus
line. Or more realistically, that 'micro house' will be an apartment in a
high rise block that looks like something the Soviets built.

That idealized pastoral lifestyle has a huge f*ing carbon footprint, what
with every trip to the town store being a 20 mile drive. And the wood stove.
If they loved the environment, they stay out of it.

It is pointless to try to discuss any of this, but I have to feel sorry
for people who see the idea of not depleting and polluting the world as
a waste of time and effort.

--

Rick

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:04:20 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:

The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the
economy in order to preserve the planet.

But if your slice of the economy is selling RVs, 4x4 pickup trucks and bass
boats, then yes, they want to cripple it.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a
way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which
involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

I get a real laugh out of all the greenies with their wind, solar and micro
houses (use less resources, you know). And invariably, evey one of them that
plans such a layout comes in with the marketing brochure showing the cute
little cabin sitting in the middle of 40 unoccupied acres of pristene
wilderness. With a breathtaking view.

The reality is: if you want to save resources, that micro house will be
located in a trailer park with 5 feet of space between your kitchen window
and the neighbor's carport. Better yet, on a major city arterial with a bus
line. Or more realistically, that 'micro house' will be an apartment in a
high rise block that looks like something the Soviets built.

That idealized pastoral lifestyle has a huge f*ing carbon footprint, what
with every trip to the town store being a 20 mile drive. And the wood stove.
If they loved the environment, they stay out of it.

Slowman is the very definition of PANSY ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:32:53 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/new-677511-millennials-economic.html

...Jim Thompson

That is mostly ideological blather. Gay marriage isn't wrecking the
economy.

What's really whacking the middle class and the college grads is

1. Massive importation of cheap, often off-the-books, immigrant labor.

2. Tax policies that punish companies for hiring.

3. Huge student debt.

All are results of progressive public policy.

The admiration of "Continental" society is misplaced; they are having
the same immigration and employment-disincentive problems.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
lunatic fringe electronics

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:04:20 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:

The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the
economy in order to preserve the planet.

But if your slice of the economy is selling RVs, 4x4 pickup trucks and bass
boats, then yes, they want to cripple it.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a
way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which
involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

I get a real laugh out of all the greenies with their wind, solar and micro
houses (use less resources, you know). And invariably, evey one of them that
plans such a layout comes in with the marketing brochure showing the cute
little cabin sitting in the middle of 40 unoccupied acres of pristene
wilderness. With a breathtaking view.

The reality is: if you want to save resources, that micro house will be
located in a trailer park with 5 feet of space between your kitchen window
and the neighbor's carport. Better yet, on a major city arterial with a bus
line. Or more realistically, that 'micro house' will be an apartment in a
high rise block that looks like something the Soviets built.

That idealized pastoral lifestyle has a huge f*ing carbon footprint, what
with every trip to the town store being a 20 mile drive. And the wood stove.
If they loved the environment, they stay out of it.

I'm not sure where you are seeing "micro houses" or trailers as far
as the US or Canada goes ? I am in this industry and most of the
off-grid folks that use our products live in nice homes with all the
amenities of life. A lot of them with wonderful views. Hey, if that's
the way they want to live, what's wrong with that ?

Micro hydro is probably the best way to go if they are lucky enough to
have that. Heck, all three, solar, wind and hydro if possible.

I don't see many trailer park solar installations and I'm sure there
are some but I do know there are a LOT of RV's equipped with
solar.

Making your own power can be a lot of fun, too.

boB
K7IQ

 

"That is mostly ideological blather. Gay marriage isn't wrecking the
economy.

What's really whacking "

Hold on, we have to check with the divore lawyers on this.

Are they a protected specie yet ?

 

[Julian Barnes]

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:32:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

> Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

Don't just thank Obama. Thank Merkel, Cameron, Holande and all the rest
of 'em, 'cos this is happening all over the Western world. Anyone would
think collapse is being orchestrated in some way...

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, 19 August 2015 06:50:13 UTC+10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
jb9889@notformail.com> Gave us:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:32:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

Don't just thank Obama. Thank Merkel, Cameron, Holande and all the rest
of 'em, 'cos this is happening all over the Western world. Anyone would
think collapse is being orchestrated in some way...

Of course it is. They saw it taking a turn years even decades ago,
and they set it up so the middle class would vanish (and pay for their
bullshit menagerie)and it now takes multiple incomes to support even a
meager household. It really is pathetic.

This is primarily a US problem. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level:_Why_More_Equal_Societies_Almost_Always_Do_Better

The US is remarkably unequal, and has got a lot less equal since Reagan came to power. Particularly in the US, the middle class is being squeezed to allow more income to be diverted to the rich and the very rich - the top 1% and the top 0.1% of the income distribution.

The Gini index doesn't capture this particularly well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

but the USA - with a Gini index of 41.1% - is more unequal than any other advanced industrial country, and about 60th in the pecking order, ahead of Russian 70th at 39.7%, Iran 79th at 38.3% and China, 88th at 37.0%.

Respectable countries sit around 30%. Sweden sits at 25%.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

Even if all that is true, it doesn't effect any individual that
wants to work hard save money, invest and retire at 40.

Why would anyone with a enjoyable job want to retire at 40? And if you do not enjoy your job, then why not find one you do enjoy.

Dan

 

[John Devereux]

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:

On 8/18/2015 12:04 AM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
Bill Sloman wrote:

The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the
economy in order to preserve the planet.

But if your slice of the economy is selling RVs, 4x4 pickup trucks and bass
boats, then yes, they want to cripple it.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a
way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which
involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

I get a real laugh out of all the greenies with their wind, solar and micro
houses (use less resources, you know). And invariably, evey one of them that
plans such a layout comes in with the marketing brochure showing the cute
little cabin sitting in the middle of 40 unoccupied acres of pristene
wilderness. With a breathtaking view.

The reality is: if you want to save resources, that micro house will be
located in a trailer park with 5 feet of space between your kitchen window
and the neighbor's carport. Better yet, on a major city arterial with a bus
line. Or more realistically, that 'micro house' will be an apartment in a
high rise block that looks like something the Soviets built.

That idealized pastoral lifestyle has a huge f*ing carbon footprint, what
with every trip to the town store being a 20 mile drive. And the wood stove.
If they loved the environment, they stay out of it.

It is pointless to try to discuss any of this, but I have to feel
sorry for people who see the idea of not depleting and polluting the
world as a waste of time and effort.

Not sure who that was directed at, but Paul is absolutely right
here. Large cities *are* the most environmentally friendly way to locate
a given population. And large apartment blocks the most "environmentally
friendly" way to house them. Ultimately the minimal ecological footprint
would be huge "arcologies".

--

John Devereux

 

[amdx]

On 8/18/2015 4:26 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:32:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

Don't just thank Obama. Thank Merkel, Cameron, Holande and all the rest
of 'em, 'cos this is happening all over the Western world. Anyone would
think collapse is being orchestrated in some way...

We'll all be EQUAL >:-}

...Jim Thompson

I thought we were all equal!
It's just that some have figured out how to use the capitalist system to
earn money.
Others have figured out how to use the government system to get unearned
money.
Then some just figured out how to live paycheck to paycheck.
Others are so involved in there passion that they only care about
having enough money to let them chase their passion.

You and I won't be equal until I start drinking wine.
Also trade my 97 T-100 for an Audi.(not going to happen)

My wife and I are an American success story. But then throw in
that 1/2 the team is immigrant, starting with nothing. High School
diplomas only, lower middleclass income for 19 years and closer to upper
middleclass income for 15 years.

After saving for 34 years, we are now part of the upper crust.
Said with my best Thurston Howell III* Locust Valley lockjaw accent and
lots of sarcasm!!

Mikek

* Boston Brahmin accent

http://www.quora.com/American-English/Is-the-Boston-Brahmin-accent-heard-in-the-
US-today-Think-Jim-Backus-as-Thurston-Howell-III-in-Gilligans-Island-Has-it-ever-really-existed

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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:26:12 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:32:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

Don't just thank Obama. Thank Merkel, Cameron, Holande and all the rest
of 'em, 'cos this is happening all over the Western world. Anyone would
think collapse is being orchestrated in some way...

We'll all be EQUAL >:-}

...Jim Thompson

No. Immigration and taxation policies are crushing the US middle class
and killing poor inner-city people but making the upper class (which
includes you and me) better off, and making the super-rich even
richer. Progressives **want** more poor people around; poor people are
their power base.

Caesar Chavez told farm workers to not use birth control because it
"reduces the numerical power of the poor."




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
lunatic fringe electronics

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:55:27 -0500, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

On 8/18/2015 4:26 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:32:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

Don't just thank Obama. Thank Merkel, Cameron, Holande and all the rest
of 'em, 'cos this is happening all over the Western world. Anyone would
think collapse is being orchestrated in some way...

We'll all be EQUAL >:-}

...Jim Thompson

I thought we were all equal!
It's just that some have figured out how to use the capitalist system to
earn money.

Yeah. It's called "work."

Others have figured out how to use the government system to get unearned
money.
Then some just figured out how to live paycheck to paycheck.
Others are so involved in there passion that they only care about
having enough money to let them chase their passion.

You and I won't be equal until I start drinking wine.
Also trade my 97 T-100 for an Audi.(not going to happen)

I like my 4WD A3. It's mechanically wonderful, brutally powerful, but
the electronics sucks.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
lunatic fringe electronics

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[amdx]

On 8/17/2015 9:32 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/new-677511-millennials-economic.html

...Jim Thompson

Even if all that is true, it doesn't effect any individual that
wants to work hard save money, invest and retire at 40.

If you earn $50,000*, save 20% of your income for 20 years invest at
10%** you will have have $797,800. Not a lot to retire on, but more net
worth than 90% of the population between 18 and 65 years old.
$797,810 with a 4% withdrawal rate is $32,000. aah, keep the wife
working ;-) Note that $32K should be mostly tax free, and no FICA either.

* includes inflation adjustment.
** 60 year average stock market return

For those interested,
> http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement/

And the full dose.

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/all-the-posts-since-the-beginning-of-time/
Start at the bottom.

Or, meet Mr. Money Mustache.
> http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/06/meet-mr-money-mustache/

Don't miss the Mr. Money Mustache Forum.

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/index.php

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[rickman]

On 8/19/2015 11:17 AM, John Devereux wrote:

rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:

On 8/18/2015 12:04 AM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
Bill Sloman wrote:

The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want to cripple the
economy in order to preserve the planet.

But if your slice of the economy is selling RVs, 4x4 pickup trucks and bass
boats, then yes, they want to cripple it.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but in a
way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it), which
involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

I get a real laugh out of all the greenies with their wind, solar and micro
houses (use less resources, you know). And invariably, evey one of them that
plans such a layout comes in with the marketing brochure showing the cute
little cabin sitting in the middle of 40 unoccupied acres of pristene
wilderness. With a breathtaking view.

The reality is: if you want to save resources, that micro house will be
located in a trailer park with 5 feet of space between your kitchen window
and the neighbor's carport. Better yet, on a major city arterial with a bus
line. Or more realistically, that 'micro house' will be an apartment in a
high rise block that looks like something the Soviets built.

That idealized pastoral lifestyle has a huge f*ing carbon footprint, what
with every trip to the town store being a 20 mile drive. And the wood stove.
If they loved the environment, they stay out of it.

It is pointless to try to discuss any of this, but I have to feel
sorry for people who see the idea of not depleting and polluting the
world as a waste of time and effort.

Not sure who that was directed at, but Paul is absolutely right
here. Large cities *are* the most environmentally friendly way to locate
a given population. And large apartment blocks the most "environmentally
friendly" way to house them. Ultimately the minimal ecological footprint
would be huge "arcologies".

You aren't following what he is saying. He is saying that because
"greenies" (his term, not mine) do things to reduce their impact on the
planet, but don't do *everything* they can, they are laughable.
Obviously Paul either is an extreme greenie himself, criticizing those
who fall short or is at the other end just not caring to make an effort
but happy to criticize those who do.

A quick note about choices of when and how much to pollute. I once had
an older car from the era before emissions controls. I drove it to work
once in a while and on weekends for fun. One coworker was ribbing me
about destroying the earth with my emissions and I realized that in
fact, I was much "greener" than most of my coworkers because it was used
so little and I lived so close to work. I know people who drive 100+
miles a day and in their modern econoboxes emit 10x the junk on their
daily round trip my belchfire 2000 would in it's short trips. So it can
be bogus to point a finger at others who appear to be unaware of their
footprint on the planet. They may be greener than you think.

I once dated a lady who ended up dumping me because I couldn't in good
faith say I was into "raising consciousness", whatever that meant to
her. But this is an issue where doing things like adding solar
collectors to your home or using a wind turbine to generate electricity
or even just pump water from a well will help to make others aware of
the potential for solutions and... "raise consciousness".

Even if we don't have the perfect solution today, that doesn't mean we
shouldn't promote efforts to commercialize alternative energy sources.
The one thing that will maximize efforts in that area is to create a
sizable market for solutions.

--

Rick

 

[rickman]

On 8/18/2015 5:16 PM, amdx wrote:

On 8/17/2015 10:00 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 12:32:58 UTC+10, Jim Thompson wrote:
Goodbye to the American Dream... Thanks to Obama...

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/new-677511-millennials-economic.html


It's silly. The silliest part is the idea that environmentalists want
to cripple the economy in order to preserve the planet.

In reality, the environmentalists want to see the economy thrive, but
in a way that doesn't cripple the planet (and the economy with it),
which involves putting a realistic cost onto dumping CO2 into the
atmosphere.

If we tried to do this overnight - which we can't - it would raise the
price of electricity.

Just a note my electric costs have went from $0.119 kWh to $0.15 kWh
during Obama.

The nerve of him raising your rates like that! It will be nice to get
someone else in office so those rates will go back down. Funny though,
my electric rates haven't gone up much at all. I guess he only raised
the rates of those he doesn't like.

--

Rick

 

[rickman]

On 8/19/2015 1:09 PM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:

Even if all that is true, it doesn't effect any individual that
wants to work hard save money, invest and retire at 40.


Why would anyone with a enjoyable job want to retire at 40? And if you do not enjoy your job, then why not find one you do enjoy.

If your job is so enjoyable, why do you take vacations?

--

Rick