OT Fires in California...

[bitrex]

On 8/26/2020 1:59 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 8/26/20 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/25/2020 7:16 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

You wouldn\'t know that at all, if you studied the sampled air in ices.
Or, any modern data, really.
Three decimal places, for a century past, is certainly a lie.

The vague \'printed literature\' references don\'t satisfy, and it\'s odd
that you should try, feebly,  to foist such a whopper onto us.
What\'s your game?


\"I reject your reality and substitute my own\"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/98/6a/ae986ac2d30994d0aee3b5282abfb1e3.jpg

     Mythbusters??

Yeah, pretty good show I used to watch as a young guy. Very sad to learn
their electronics tech Grant Imahara died of a stroke or hemorrhage or
such a few months back he was just 49, very talented guy it looks like.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

torsdag den 27. august 2020 kl. 18.18.22 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:

On 8/26/2020 1:59 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/26/20 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/25/2020 7:16 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

You wouldn\'t know that at all, if you studied the sampled air in ices..
Or, any modern data, really.
Three decimal places, for a century past, is certainly a lie.

The vague \'printed literature\' references don\'t satisfy, and it\'s odd
that you should try, feebly,  to foist such a whopper onto us.
What\'s your game?


\"I reject your reality and substitute my own\"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/98/6a/ae986ac2d30994d0aee3b5282abfb1e3.jpg

     Mythbusters??

Yeah, pretty good show I used to watch as a young guy. Very sad to learn
their electronics tech Grant Imahara died of a stroke or hemorrhage or
such a few months back he was just 49, very talented guy it looks like.

yeh, headache on saturday, taken off life support on monday

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 8:40:20 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal
would increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad?
Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG

Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers,
though, have a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t
nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING -
they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase the
fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/
They don\'t allow logging where they should, either. So they have
overgrown forests.

There is no scientific research that CONCLUSIVELY links global warming to CO2 emissions: it is ALL guesswork. You look at the historical record and the link is definitely not there. Global warming is relatively recent, whereas CO2 emissions have been increasing steadily with the industrialization of the world. CO2 emissions went up dramatically after 1941, but global temperatures dropped. This has become the defacto religion of the left.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 10:23:19 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 8:40:20 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

> There is no scientific research that CONCLUSIVELY links global warming to CO2 emissions: it is ALL guesswork.

Not exactly true.

> You look at the historical record and the link is definitely not there.

During ice ages, the atmospheric CO2 level was 180 ppm, and during interglacials it has been about 270 ppm. This is the biggest single factor that explains why the earth was colder during ice ages - the extensive snow cover over the northern parts of the northern hemisphere also contributed, but not as much.

> Global warming is relatively recent, whereas CO2 emissions have been increasing steadily with the industrialization of the world.

Not all that steadily - by which Flyguy would presumably mean \"linearly\" if he understood what was going on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:CO2_40k.png

> CO2 emissions went up dramatically after 1941, but global temperatures dropped.

The CO2 level in the atmosphere went from about 270 ppm before we were burning enough to fossil carbon to matter to about 315 ppm in 1958, when Keeling started measuring it - that\'s an extra 45 ppm over about a century or so. It\'s now about 410 ppm, so it has gone up 95 ppm in sixty years. We don\'t know enough about the exact CO2 level in 1941 to say how fast it was rising, but it certainly wasn\'t rising anything like as fast as it is now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record#/media/File:20200324_Global_average_temperature_-_NASA-GISS_HadCrut_NOAA_Japan_BerkeleyE..svg

The temperature did drop a little, but that was probably natural variation - the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation seems to have been responsible for most of it. There\'s a similar sort of variation over an oscillation between the El Nino state of the Pacific and the La Nina state, but that happens over a shorter time scale, and it got noticed earlier. The first publication to mention the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation was in 1994, and it didn\'t call it that . The name seems to have been invented in 2000 by Michael Mann (when he was already famous for his \"hockey stick\" graph).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation

Sulphur dioxide pollution from burning sulphur-rich coal in power stations creates acid rain - which is why power stations started getting SO2 scrubbers in their smoke stacks from the 1970\'s - but it also creates a reflective aerosol in the stratosphere, which may have had a global cooling effect which has now largely gone away.

https://www.epa.gov/air-trends/sulfur-dioxide-trends

> This has become the defacto religion of the left.

What Flyguy imagines to be \"a religion\" is actually rather solidly grounded in scientific research, none of which he knows anything about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Doe]

Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal
would increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad?
Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indi
cator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG

Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all.
Grasshoppers, though, have a complaint: the fast-growing
grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-
taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING -
they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase
the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-ca
p-and-t

rade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/
They don\'t allow logging where they should, either. So they have
overgrown forests.

There is no scientific research that CONCLUSIVELY links global
warming to CO2 emissions: it is ALL guesswork. You look at the
historical record and the link is definitely not there. Global
warming is relatively recent, whereas CO2 emissions have been
increasing steadily with the industrialization of the world. CO2
emissions went up dramatically after 1941, but global temperatures
dropped. This has become the defacto religion of the left.

Global warming (or climate change, whatever) being caused by human
beings definitely is a religion for some. That\'s obvious when the same
people who promote so-called green energy also bash nuclear energy.
Especially when they bash nuclear energy at the same time showing they
know nothing about nuclear energy. I just love to tease out that fact.
Many \"green energy\" pushers feign science but they know nothing about
science.

Coincidentally... Such things as California wildfires spew GIGATONS of
pollutants into the air. And all those (gone) trees won\'t be
converting CO2 into oxygen for many years.

 

[John Doe]

Look up \"CO2\" on Google...

According to Google, CO2 is the most hideous thing.
In their bullet points, they don\'t mention a single positive thing about
CO2, like the fact plants and trees live off of it.

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On 8/27/20 11:18 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 8/26/2020 1:59 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/26/20 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/25/2020 7:16 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

You wouldn\'t know that at all, if you studied the sampled air in ices.
Or, any modern data, really.
Three decimal places, for a century past, is certainly a lie.

The vague \'printed literature\' references don\'t satisfy, and it\'s odd
that you should try, feebly,  to foist such a whopper onto us.
What\'s your game?


\"I reject your reality and substitute my own\"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/98/6a/ae986ac2d30994d0aee3b5282abfb1e3.jpg


      Mythbusters??

Yeah, pretty good show I used to watch as a young guy. Very sad to learn
their electronics tech Grant Imahara died of a stroke or hemorrhage or
such a few months back he was just 49, very talented guy it looks like.

Some here about Grant and the two main characters. They\'ve lead
interesting lives.
<https://www.grunge.com/36656/untold-truth-mythbusters/>
I liked the show but lost track of it for some reason. Maybe
changes in tv programming providers.

 

[Les Cargill]

Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 8:40:20 AM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal
would increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad?
Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG



Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers,
though, have a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t
nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers



So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING -
they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase
the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/


They don\'t allow logging where they should, either. So they have
overgrown forests.

There is no scientific research that CONCLUSIVELY links global
warming to CO2 emissions: it is ALL guesswork.

Arrhenius much? [1] This part\'s been settled science since before
your great-great-great grandparents met. CO2 and its influence on the
ability of the atmosphere to retain infrared is a solved problem.

[1] RIP Adam West; I\'m just somewhat kidding but it\'s not all
that controversial.

What\'s different now is instrumentation from space-collected data.

You look at the
historical record and the link is definitely not there. Global
warming is relatively recent, whereas CO2 emissions have been
increasing steadily with the industrialization of the world. CO2
emissions went up dramatically after 1941, but global temperatures
dropped. This has become the defacto religion of the left.

What\'s happened is the mass infrared survey data from NASA has
made for a lot of confusion. That, coupled with horrid messaging
have left many quite confused. Al Gore alone set the thing back
decades. I hate to be that guy, bit that was show business and he\'s...
just not show business. Kudos to the South Park guys for their treatment
of the thing.


I do... telemetry for a living. It\'s perilous work . Getting a basic
idea on a basic system into interpret-able form is ... daunting.

I cannot imagine trying to wrestle *that* data set, with all the
implications it encourages..

Shit\'s hard, bro. And here we sit arguing instead of chipping in.

Now why is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI

--
Les Cargill

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 6:44:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:

Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal
would increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad?
Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indi
cator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG

Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all.
Grasshoppers, though, have a complaint: the fast-growing
grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-
taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING -
they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase
the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/

They don\'t allow logging where they should, either. So they have
overgrown forests.

If they did fuel reduction burns, they wouldn\'t have overgrown forests. Logging isn\'t an effective way of making forests less inflammable.
The wood that gets cut and sold isn\'t there to burn, but there\'s plenty of vegetation left to burn after the loggers have been through.

There is no scientific research that CONCLUSIVELY links global
warming to CO2 emissions: it is ALL guesswork.

There\'s loads of it. but Flygu doesn\'t understand any of it.

> > You look at the historical record and the link is definitely not there..

When Flyguy does, he can\'t see the link. No surprise there.

Global warming is relatively recent, whereas CO2 emissions have been
increasing steadily with the industrialization of the world.

Closer to exponentially.

> > CO2 emissions went up dramatically after 1941, but global temperatures dropped.

CO2 emissions were rising a lot more slowly in 1941 than they are now, and the \"drop\" in global temperature(suchj as it was) seems to reflect the Multidecadal Atlantic Oscillation, which has been going on since the end of the last ice age

> This has become the defacto religion of the left.

Since Flyguy can\'t understand the science involved, he has decided that it is a religion.

Global warming (or climate change, whatever) being caused by human
beings definitely is a religion for some.

Perhaps.

> That\'s obvious when the same people who promote so-called green energy also bash nuclear energy.

Nuclear energy doesn\'t cause global warming, but it does present other long term problems. Nuclear waste is going to be dangerous for a couple of hudred thousand years. We\'ve been generating it for fifty years now, and still haven\'t come up with an acceptable way of storing it that is likely to keep at safe for that sort of time.

If you worry about what more CO2 in the atmosphere is going to be doing the climate for the next 800 years (which seems to the time it takes to equilibrate) you are likely to worry about what nuclear waste might be doing over a longer time scale. This isn\'t a remotely religious concern - just simple prudence.

> Especially when they bash nuclear energy at the same time showing they know nothing about nuclear energy.

You don\'t have to know much to be aware that nuclear waste stays dangerous for thousand of years.

> I just love to tease out that fact.

Of course you do. But - like most of the facts you tease out - it doesn\'t mean what you\'d like it to mean.

> Many \"green energy\" pushers feign science but they know nothing about science.

Like Flyguy and John Doe? You get ignorant idiots on both sides of every controversy.

> Coincidentally... Such things as California wildfires spew GIGATONS of pollutants into the air. And all those (gone) trees won\'t be converting CO2 into oxygen for many years.

Obviously. They also kill people and burn houses.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Doe]

One of several persistent trolls from Australia...

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On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 6:44:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal
would increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad?
Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indi
cator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG

Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all.
Grasshoppers, though, have a complaint: the fast-growing
grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-
taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING -
they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase
the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-an
d-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/

They don\'t allow logging where they should, either. So they have
overgrown forests.

If they did fuel reduction burns, they wouldn\'t have overgrown forests. Logging isn\'t an effective way of making forests less inflammable.
The wood that gets cut and sold isn\'t there to burn, but there\'s plenty of vegetation left to burn after the loggers have been through.

There is no scientific research that CONCLUSIVELY links global
warming to CO2 emissions: it is ALL guesswork.

There\'s loads of it. but Flygu doesn\'t understand any of it.

You look at the historical record and the link is definitely not there
.

When Flyguy does, he can\'t see the link. No surprise there.

Global warming is relatively recent, whereas CO2 emissions have been

increasing steadily with the industrialization of the world.

Closer to exponentially.

CO2 emissions went up dramatically after 1941, but global temperatures
dropped.

CO2 emissions were rising a lot more slowly in 1941 than they are now, and the \"drop\" in global temperature(suchj as it was) seems to reflect the Multidecadal Atlantic Oscillation, which has been going on since the end of the last ice age

This has become the defacto religion of the left.

Since Flyguy can\'t understand the science involved, he has decided that it is a religion.

Global warming (or climate change, whatever) being caused by human
beings definitely is a religion for some.

Perhaps.

That\'s obvious when the same people who promote so-called green energy a
lso bash nuclear energy.

Nuclear energy doesn\'t cause global warming, but it does present other long term problems. Nuclear waste is going to be dangerous for a couple of hudred thousand years. We\'ve been generating it for fifty years now, and still haven\'t come up with an acceptable way of storing it that is likely to keep at safe for that sort of time.

If you worry about what more CO2 in the atmosphere is going to be doing the climate for the next 800 years (which seems to the time it takes to equilibrate) you are likely to worry about what nuclear waste might be doing over a longer time scale. This isn\'t a remotely religious concern - just simple prudence.

Especially when they bash nuclear energy at the same time showing they k
now nothing about nuclear energy.

You don\'t have to know much to be aware that nuclear waste stays dangerous for thousand of years.

I just love to tease out that fact.

Of course you do. But - like most of the facts you tease out - it doesn\'t mean what you\'d like it to mean.

Many \"green energy\" pushers feign science but they know nothing about sci
ence.

Like Flyguy and John Doe? You get ignorant idiots on both sides of every controversy.

Coincidentally... Such things as California wildfires spew GIGATONS of po
llutants into the air. And all those (gone) trees won\'t be converting CO2 into oxygen for many years.

Obviously. They also kill people and burn houses.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

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On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 6:44:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

Many \"green energy\" pushers feign science but they know nothing about science.

Like Flyguy and John Doe? You get ignorant idiots on both sides of every controversy.

Coincidentally... Such things as California wildfires spew GIGATONS of pollutants into the air. And all those (gone) trees won\'t be converting CO2 into oxygen for many years.

Obviously. They also kill people and burn houses.

One of several persistent trolls from Australia...

Says the top-posting troll whose nym marks him as clearly American, and whose content marks him as remarkably stupid.

He doesn\'t really understand what a troll is, which is curious when he\'s textbook example of the breed - short on content and long on abuse.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 8:29:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1


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Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

Didn\'t YOU say that SED was for electronics ONLY?

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 2:02:44 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 6:44:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
snip
Many \"green energy\" pushers feign science but they know nothing about science.

Like Flyguy and John Doe? You get ignorant idiots on both sides of every controversy.

Coincidentally... Such things as California wildfires spew GIGATONS of pollutants into the air. And all those (gone) trees won\'t be converting CO2 into oxygen for many years.

Obviously. They also kill people and burn houses.

One of several persistent trolls from Australia...
Says the top-posting troll whose nym marks him as clearly American, and whose content marks him as remarkably stupid.

He doesn\'t really understand what a troll is, which is curious when he\'s textbook example of the breed - short on content and long on abuse.

--
SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN, you ARE THE TROLL here.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:28:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 8:29:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1

Didn\'t YOU say that SED was for electronics ONLY?

John Larkin did put OT: in the subject line. He has posted recipes here. You do have to understand that whenever he feels that he is being got at - which happens quite often - he suggests that whoever is getting at him ought to be posting something about electronics (rather than showing him up).

Of course when other people post stuff about their electronics, he isn\'t all that interested.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:31:04 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 2:02:44 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 6:44:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
snip
Many \"green energy\" pushers feign science but they know nothing about science.

Like Flyguy and John Doe? You get ignorant idiots on both sides of every controversy.

Coincidentally... Such things as California wildfires spew GIGATONS of pollutants into the air. And all those (gone) trees won\'t be converting CO2 into oxygen for many years.

Obviously. They also kill people and burn houses.

One of several persistent trolls from Australia...

Says the top-posting troll whose nym marks him as clearly American, and whose content marks him as remarkably stupid.

He doesn\'t really understand what a troll is, which is curious when he\'s textbook example of the breed - short on content and long on abuse.

Hey, you ARE THE TROLL here.

I\'m sure Flyguy likes to think that, and he\'s stupid enough that he might actually believe it. It\'s not remotely true, and he won\'t believe that either, which isn\'t all that strange considering all the fatuous nonsense that he does seem willing to believe. One of our regular posters was labelled AlwaysWrong for a while.

It was pretty silly. Nobody is reliably wrong.

Flyguy might qualify for FrequentlyWrong - he does seem to latch onto a lot of stuff that is clearly aimed at the hopelessly gullible.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:28:50 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 8:29:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1


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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

Didn\'t YOU say that SED was for electronics ONLY?

No, I said that this is an electronics design group. I do sometimes
ask posters if they actually design electronics. If it were a knitting
group, I might ask them what they knit.

Electronic design engineers have other interests, and it\'s not
unreasonable to mention them now and then. The fires in CA are
certainly affecting a lot of tech industries and engineers. The thread
was non-political, non-insulting, and clearly labeled OT and did no
harm to the group. Grown-ups can have polite conversations about all
sorts of stuff.

But the majority of posters here don\'t design electronics and are here
to exchange endless spirals of childish insults and tribal politics.

There are a few people here who are seriously competent at electronic
design. They are usually polite and helpful and share what they can;
two have written important books.

I have met and worked with some of the posters here. I hired one and
that worked out very well for both of us. If I get lucky, I might find
another great engineer here, or another friend. Ideally, someone who
hikes and skis and actually understands electricity.

Sadly, I know some seriously good engineers who won\'t post here
because of the horrible clucking of the nasty old hens who dominate
the group. If you don\'t design, that\'s no loss to you. Cluck on!



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 1:25:04 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:28:50 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 8:29:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1

Didn\'t YOU say that SED was for electronics ONLY?
No, I said that this is an electronics design group. I do sometimes
ask posters if they actually design electronics. If it were a knitting
group, I might ask them what they knit.

Except that when you ask that \"question\" your aim seems to be to punish people who aren\'t flattering you as fulsomely as you feel you deserve.

Electronic design engineers have other interests, and it\'s not
unreasonable to mention them now and then. The fires in CA are
certainly affecting a lot of tech industries and engineers. The thread
was non-political, non-insulting, and clearly labeled OT and did no
harm to the group. Grown-ups can have polite conversations about all
sorts of stuff.

But the majority of posters here don\'t design electronics and are here
to exchange endless spirals of childish insults and tribal politics.

By which you mean they don\'t flatter you about your electronic design skills as enthusiastically as you think you ought to.
You find this deficit actively insulting.

There is a lot of tribal politics posted here. Your enthusiasm for climate change denial puts you in the right-wing nit-wit tribe along with James Arthur and Flyguy.

There are a few people here who are seriously competent at electronic
design. They are usually polite and helpful and share what they can;
two have written important books.

Win Hill is admirable. Phil Hobbs is pretty good.

I have met and worked with some of the posters here. I hired one and
that worked out very well for both of us. If I get lucky, I might find
another great engineer here, or another friend. Ideally, someone who
hikes and skis and actually understands electricity.

And is willing to flatter you as extravagantly as you feel you deserve.

Sadly, I know some seriously good engineers who won\'t post here
because of the horrible clucking of the nasty old hens who dominate
the group. If you don\'t design, that\'s no loss to you. Cluck on!

As far as I know, John Larkin posts more than anybody else, and that does mean that he come closer to dominating the group than anybody else.

He does strike me as spending quite a bit of time clucking like a nasty old hen, mostly about how other posters are unkind to him.

He\'s not all that interested when other people post electronic design problems - most of them seem to be a bit too demanding for him to want to stick his neck out by suggesting solutions. Nobody here knows enough to post something helpful in response to every electronic query. and quire a few of the queries are from dumb newbies and require quite a lot of work to translate into questions that are specific enough to be worth answering.

We do get enough interesting questions and useful replies to allow the group to persist, but there is a great deal of off-topic noise.

The signal to noise ratio isn\'t high, and you do have to trawl through a lot of noise to get to the occasional signal. The occasional social - or anti-social - interaction is a side effect, but it may be what keeps the group active.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 6:16:44 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:31:04 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 2:02:44 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 6:44:07 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

John Doe wrote:
Flyguy wrote:
whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
snip
Many \"green energy\" pushers feign science but they know nothing about science.

Like Flyguy and John Doe? You get ignorant idiots on both sides of every controversy.

Coincidentally... Such things as California wildfires spew GIGATONS of pollutants into the air. And all those (gone) trees won\'t be converting CO2 into oxygen for many years.

Obviously. They also kill people and burn houses.

One of several persistent trolls from Australia...

Says the top-posting troll whose nym marks him as clearly American, and whose content marks him as remarkably stupid.

He doesn\'t really understand what a troll is, which is curious when he\'s textbook example of the breed - short on content and long on abuse.

Hey, you ARE THE TROLL here.

I\'m sure Flyguy likes to think that, and he\'s stupid enough that he might actually believe it. It\'s not remotely true, and he won\'t believe that either, which isn\'t all that strange considering all the fatuous nonsense that he does seem willing to believe. One of our regular posters was labelled AlwaysWrong for a while.

It was pretty silly. Nobody is reliably wrong.

Flyguy might qualify for FrequentlyWrong - he does seem to latch onto a lot of stuff that is clearly aimed at the hopelessly gullible.

--
SL0W MAN, Sydney

So says the internet TROLL, SL0W MAN.

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 1:25:04 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:28:50 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 8:29:46 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1

Didn\'t YOU say that SED was for electronics ONLY?
No, I said that this is an electronics design group. I do sometimes
ask posters if they actually design electronics. If it were a knitting
group, I might ask them what they knit.
Except that when you ask that \"question\" your aim seems to be to punish people who aren\'t flattering you as fulsomely as you feel you deserve.
Electronic design engineers have other interests, and it\'s not
unreasonable to mention them now and then. The fires in CA are
certainly affecting a lot of tech industries and engineers. The thread
was non-political, non-insulting, and clearly labeled OT and did no
harm to the group. Grown-ups can have polite conversations about all
sorts of stuff.

But the majority of posters here don\'t design electronics and are here
to exchange endless spirals of childish insults and tribal politics.
By which you mean they don\'t flatter you about your electronic design skills as enthusiastically as you think you ought to.
You find this deficit actively insulting.

There is a lot of tribal politics posted here. Your enthusiasm for climate change denial puts you in the right-wing nit-wit tribe along with James Arthur and Flyguy.
There are a few people here who are seriously competent at electronic
design. They are usually polite and helpful and share what they can;
two have written important books.
Win Hill is admirable. Phil Hobbs is pretty good.
I have met and worked with some of the posters here. I hired one and
that worked out very well for both of us. If I get lucky, I might find
another great engineer here, or another friend. Ideally, someone who
hikes and skis and actually understands electricity.
And is willing to flatter you as extravagantly as you feel you deserve.
Sadly, I know some seriously good engineers who won\'t post here
because of the horrible clucking of the nasty old hens who dominate
the group. If you don\'t design, that\'s no loss to you. Cluck on!
As far as I know, John Larkin posts more than anybody else, and that does mean that he come closer to dominating the group than anybody else.

He does strike me as spending quite a bit of time clucking like a nasty old hen, mostly about how other posters are unkind to him.

He\'s not all that interested when other people post electronic design problems - most of them seem to be a bit too demanding for him to want to stick his neck out by suggesting solutions. Nobody here knows enough to post something helpful in response to every electronic query. and quire a few of the queries are from dumb newbies and require quite a lot of work to translate into questions that are specific enough to be worth answering.

We do get enough interesting questions and useful replies to allow the group to persist, but there is a great deal of off-topic noise.

The signal to noise ratio isn\'t high, and you do have to trawl through a lot of noise to get to the occasional signal. The occasional social - or anti-social - interaction is a side effect, but it may be what keeps the group active.

--
SL0W MAN, Sydney

The internet BULLY, SL0W MAN, is pushing everybody else with his NONSENSICAL rules! The DEFENSE against such BULLYS is just to IGNORE THEM!

 

[Flyguy]

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:04:35 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 4:31:39 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG
Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers, though, have
a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING - they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/
Mitigate them? We spend megabucks to put them out.
--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

News flash: putting out fires IS NOT mitigation:
Other examples of mitigation measures include:
Hazard mapping.
Adoption and enforcement of land use and zoning practices.
Implementing and enforcing building codes.
Flood plain mapping.
Reinforced tornado safe rooms.
Burying of electrical cables to prevent ice build-up.
Raising of homes in flood-prone areas.

In other words, CA is not \"mitigating\" fires by putting them out.