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Claude Bernard
 
On 8/24/2020 8:59 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1
Terrible. It\'s constantly in the news. Are you anywhere near one
or more of the hotspots?
 
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:50:34 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 8/24/2020 8:59 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1


Terrible. It\'s constantly in the news. Are you anywhere near one
or more of the hotspots?

Not close, but we have plenty of smelly smoke, intermittently. Fluffy
white ash on my car. The sun is a dirty orange ball just now. One of
my engineers lives in the Santa Cruz mountains, and there\'s a fire
just a couple of ridges over from his house.

A week or so ago, we got spectacular lightning storms. We very rarely
see lightning here. There were something like 12,000 ground strikes.

The situation here is that it rains and snows in the winter and things
grow. It\'s dry in the summer and things burn. That\'s been our carbon
cycle since the glaciers went away. Modern machinery keeps putting out
small fires, so we get big ones. I suspect that \"climate change\"
contributes by having more CO2 available for plant growth; more carbon
in, more out.

If we open a window, the house smells smoky. If we close up, it soon
smells fine. I assume that the smoke particles precipitate out onto
surfaces, most likely carpet with its large surface area, maybe plant
leaves, a little bit our lungs. The cat may help a little.





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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
mandag den 24. august 2020 kl. 18.43.21 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:50:34 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 8/24/2020 8:59 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1


Terrible. It\'s constantly in the news. Are you anywhere near one
or more of the hotspots?

Not close, but we have plenty of smelly smoke, intermittently. Fluffy
white ash on my car. The sun is a dirty orange ball just now. One of
my engineers lives in the Santa Cruz mountains, and there\'s a fire
just a couple of ridges over from his house.

A week or so ago, we got spectacular lightning storms. We very rarely
see lightning here. There were something like 12,000 ground strikes.

https://youtu.be/CctTDj6SN1U
 
On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-4, Pimpom wrote:
On 8/24/2020 8:59 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1


Terrible. It\'s constantly in the news. Are you anywhere near one
or more of the hotspots?

He is separated by some miles of water, the San Francisco Bay. The fires would have to burn their way through some trillions of dollars worth of businesses and homes to reach San Francisco proper where Larkin is.

His way out would be to cross the Golden Gate bridge, along with a few million others if they stayed too long. But to reach him it would need to burn homes rather than forest, so he should be in good shape.

--

Rick C.

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On 25/08/2020 02:43, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:50:34 +0530, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 8/24/2020 8:59 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0e56oi7loq9hym/Fires_Aug_2020.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6h1maxj1y1cvbdd/Smoke_Aug_2020.JPG?raw=1


Terrible. It\'s constantly in the news. Are you anywhere near one
or more of the hotspots?

Not close, but we have plenty of smelly smoke, intermittently. Fluffy
white ash on my car. The sun is a dirty orange ball just now. One of
my engineers lives in the Santa Cruz mountains, and there\'s a fire
just a couple of ridges over from his house.

A week or so ago, we got spectacular lightning storms. We very rarely
see lightning here. There were something like 12,000 ground strikes.

The situation here is that it rains and snows in the winter and things
grow. It\'s dry in the summer and things burn. That\'s been our carbon
cycle since the glaciers went away. Modern machinery keeps putting out
small fires, so we get big ones. I suspect that \"climate change\"
contributes by having more CO2 available for plant growth; more carbon
in, more out.

If we open a window, the house smells smoky. If we close up, it soon
smells fine. I assume that the smoke particles precipitate out onto
surfaces, most likely carpet with its large surface area, maybe plant
leaves, a little bit our lungs. The cat may help a little.

We had that in Australia at the beginning of this year. Air purifiers
with a HEPA filter do seem to help, so they sold out very quickly in
retail shops, as did masks. Some of the air purifiers have a sensor that
claims to measure pm2.5 and which seems to work. If you have a big
soldering fume extractor at work, a lot of them have a similar filter
that would do some good.

The smoke also provided a means to locate (and the motivation to get
around to fixing) a lot of air leaks into the house. Perhaps your houses
are built more carefully in the first place. There remain a lot of leaks
that it was impractical for me to fix.
 
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:43:09 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

The situation here is that it rains and snows in the winter and things
grow. It\'s dry in the summer and things burn. That\'s been our carbon
cycle since the glaciers went away. Modern machinery keeps putting out
small fires, so we get big ones. I suspect that \"climate change\"
contributes by having more CO2 available for plant growth; more carbon
in, more out.

Nope. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 22:26:54 +0100, Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:43:09 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

The situation here is that it rains and snows in the winter and things
grow. It\'s dry in the summer and things burn. That\'s been our carbon
cycle since the glaciers went away. Modern machinery keeps putting out
small fires, so we get big ones. I suspect that \"climate change\"
contributes by having more CO2 available for plant growth; more carbon
in, more out.

Nope. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

The Mauna Loa data is probably reliable.

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png

The seasonal wiggle is interesting.

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG
 
On 2020/08/25 2:26 p.m., Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:43:09 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

The situation here is that it rains and snows in the winter and things
grow. It\'s dry in the summer and things burn. That\'s been our carbon
cycle since the glaciers went away. Modern machinery keeps putting out
small fires, so we get big ones. I suspect that \"climate change\"
contributes by having more CO2 available for plant growth; more carbon
in, more out.

Nope. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

And your proof of this statement is? Links, please, to original papers...

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

John
 
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

You wouldn\'t know that at all, if you studied the sampled air in ices.
Or, any modern data, really.
Three decimal places, for a century past, is certainly a lie.

The vague \'printed literature\' references don\'t satisfy, and it\'s odd
that you should try, feebly, to foist such a whopper onto us.

What\'s your game?
 
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG

Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers, though, have
a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

<https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers>
 
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 4:31:39 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG
Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers, though, have
a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING - they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/
 
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 8:15:02 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 22:26:54 +0100, Cursitor Doom
cu...@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:43:09 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

The situation here is that it rains and snows in the winter and things
grow. It\'s dry in the summer and things burn. That\'s been our carbon
cycle since the glaciers went away. Modern machinery keeps putting out
small fires, so we get big ones. I suspect that \"climate change\"
contributes by having more CO2 available for plant growth; more carbon
in, more out.

Nope. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.
The Mauna Loa data is probably reliable.

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png

The seasonal wiggle is interesting.

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG

They are rather more interested in the amount of water their roots can get at. Global warming changes climate, and what were well-watered areas may not stay that way. Droughts in Australia seem to be getting more frequent and more severe. Forest fires are a worse problem than they used to be, as they are - right now - in California.

It\'s not good if the extra CO2 turns into the kind of plant growth that gets burnt out every summer.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Flyguy wrote:

whit3rd wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal
would increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad?
Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG

Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers,
though, have a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t
nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING -
they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase the
fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/

They don\'t allow logging where they should, either. So they have
overgrown forests.
 
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:04:35 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 4:31:39 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG
Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers, though, have
a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING - they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/

Mitigate them? We spend megabucks to put them out.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard
 
On 25/08/2020 23:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 22:26:54 +0100, Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:43:09 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

The situation here is that it rains and snows in the winter and things
grow. It\'s dry in the summer and things burn. That\'s been our carbon
cycle since the glaciers went away. Modern machinery keeps putting out
small fires, so we get big ones. I suspect that \"climate change\"
contributes by having more CO2 available for plant growth; more carbon
in, more out.

Nope. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

A bare faced lie from a well known anti-science *LIAR*.

The Mauna Loa data is probably reliable.

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png

The seasonal wiggle is interesting.

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

The other stations curves are most interesting because the show just how
strongly latitude dependent the CO2 concentration is with vast tundra
forests and most heavy industry all in the northern hemisphere it is
almost completely mixed up to a smooth trend line at the South pole.

https://scrippsco2.ucsd.edu/graphics_gallery/other_stations/global_stations_co2_concentration_trends.html

It really thrashes around a lot at latitude 71 with mid summer
continuous sunshine vs winters cold short days.

The Scripps O2 monitoring by Keeling\'s son is even more of an
experimental tour de force requiring measurements with 5 sig fig
precision and a very clever instrumental technique to measuring the
O2/N2 ratio.

https://scrippso2.ucsd.edu/

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On 8/25/2020 7:16 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

You wouldn\'t know that at all, if you studied the sampled air in ices.
Or, any modern data, really.
Three decimal places, for a century past, is certainly a lie.

The vague \'printed literature\' references don\'t satisfy, and it\'s odd
that you should try, feebly, to foist such a whopper onto us.

What\'s your game?

\"I reject your reality and substitute my own\"

<https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/98/6a/ae986ac2d30994d0aee3b5282abfb1e3.jpg>
 
On 8/26/20 11:54 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/25/2020 7:16 PM, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained pretty constant
at about 385ppm for well over 100 years - but you wouldn\'t know that
unless you study the *original* printed literature going back over
that time-frame.

You wouldn\'t know that at all, if you studied the sampled air in ices.
Or, any modern data, really.
Three decimal places, for a century past, is certainly a lie.

The vague \'printed literature\' references don\'t satisfy, and it\'s odd
that you should try, feebly,  to foist such a whopper onto us.
What\'s your game?


\"I reject your reality and substitute my own\"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ae/98/6a/ae986ac2d30994d0aee3b5282abfb1e3.jpg

Mythbusters??
 
On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:58:27 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:04:35 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 4:31:39 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG
Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers, though, have
a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING - they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/

Mitigate them? We spend megabucks to put them out.

But not a cent to deal with the climate change that is making them more frequent and worse.

Robert Goodloe Harper famously said \"Millions for defense but not one cent for tribute\". Nowadays he\'d be working for the fossil carbon extraction industry, which makes a lot of money out of making forest fires more frequent, and more devastating in California, and spends some of it on propaganda designed to obscure the connection, all of which John Larkin laps up.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 4:31:39 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense that all that burning of oil and gas and coal would
increase CO2. This real issue is, is that good or bad? Plants like it.

http://www.earth-policy.org/images/uploads/graphs_tables/indicator3_2013_ProductionGrain.PNG
Well, it is one of a plant\'s nutrients, after all. Grasshoppers, though, have
a complaint: the fast-growing grasses aren\'t nutritious enough.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/10/814130193/why-taller-grass-can-be-bad-news-for-grasshoppers

So, what is CA doing to mitigate these fires? Answer: NOTHING - they are making matters WORSE by giving incentives to increase the fuel load in forests:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/18/65883/californias-cap-and-trade-program-may-vastly-overestimate-emissions-cuts/

I love it when CA burns, we get nice colored sunsets.
 

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