OT: Eco-Warrior Gets Pwned by Veteran News Presenter!

[Tom Gardner]

On 22/04/19 16:59, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:21:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 15:52, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:52:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

They are mostly cheap here in California. If you get out of a big city
and go a bit inland, into the central valley, produce is absurdly
cheap at roadside stands. The stuff is fresh out of the fields and
superb. Of course stuff costs more in a big city.

OK; terminology difference.


There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

If BG leaves the european union, do you think the EU will blockade by
air and sea and starve the brits to death?

No, but there must, by law, be checking of goods that
cross the boundary. The question is how significant
those checks will be. The French and Dutch think they
will be *very* significant.

If French and Dutch farmers want to abandon their own markets, lots of
other people will feed the Brits. The US has embarassing crop
surpluses. You can survive on California and Australian wine too.


The prominent brexiteers have, belatedly, stated that
they didn't realise how much food came across the
channel (Dunning-Kruger syndrome with a vengence).

The UK government's plans include:
- sending extra police to N Ireland and Kent (why?)
- deploying 3500 troops (to do just what?)
- preventing kids from going to/from school in Kent
- turning a major motorway and an airfield into a
car park for 10k(!) lorries (plan was tested
with 89(!) lorries, snort)
- flying in scarce medicines
- there's vague ideas about short-lived radioisotopes
for cancer diagnosis and treatment (we will leave
Euratom, which legally makes us similar to N Korea!)
- no concept of the water short-life purification
chemicals (ozone?) that are produced in Europe

There must be something unique about the climate of Europe that makes
it possible to manufacture ozone. I think they have most of the world
supply of oxygen.

TBH I'm surprised and bemused abut the water
purification. It is, apparently, the thing that
convinced a prominent and vocal Brexiteer,
Michael Gove, that a hard brexit would be intolerable.
Gove is an especially slimy politician who will say
whatever he thinks will be popular with his audience.
Hence this unpopular statement can't be ignored.

None of the rest of the points are surprising,
except to the ignorant politicians that live in
the Westminster bubble rather than on planet earth.

FFI, search for "operation yellowhammer" and "operation
brock", and weep for us.

Oh yes, the government gave a contract (now cancelled)
to a company, Seaborne Freight, for extra cross-channel
ferry capacity. The company has *zero* ships, and zero
experience of shipping and logistics. And the ports
they planned to use are too small.

You couldn't make it up!

Hysteria is ever popular. And amusing.

The politicians have been in full Jean-Luc Picard mode,
thinking that if they say "Make it so" then it will happen.
They have been far too careful to avoid hysteria, and
have believed their own propaganda rather than listening
to people that do know what they are talking about.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/21/19 7:14 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

<https://www.inverse.com/article/33016-trump-voters-more-likely-to-be-fat-no-college-education>

Real America has way more to fear from heart disease and
pancreatic/colon cancer than they do from immigrants

 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 2:00:03 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:21:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 15:52, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:52:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

They are mostly cheap here in California. If you get out of a big city
and go a bit inland, into the central valley, produce is absurdly
cheap at roadside stands. The stuff is fresh out of the fields and
superb. Of course stuff costs more in a big city.

OK; terminology difference.


There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

If BG leaves the european union, do you think the EU will blockade by
air and sea and starve the brits to death?

No, but there must, by law, be checking of goods that
cross the boundary. The question is how significant
those checks will be. The French and Dutch think they
will be *very* significant.

If French and Dutch farmers want to abandon their own markets, lots of
other people will feed the Brits. The US has embarrassing crop
surpluses.

The Atlantic is a little wider than the English Channel, and it would take a lot more boats to ship the same volume of food across the Atlantic than is now shipped across the Channel.

> You can survive on Californian and Australian wine too.

The Californian wine you could buy in the UK when we lived there wasn't great. Australian wine had a lot more of the market, and quite a bit of the good stuff made it to the UK - there are a lot more Americans than Australians and rather less of the good stuff gets out of California.

The prominent brexiteers have, belatedly, stated that
they didn't realise how much food came across the
channel (Dunning-Kruger syndrome with a vengeance).

The UK government's plans include:
- sending extra police to N Ireland and Kent (why?)
- deploying 3500 troops (to do just what?)
- preventing kids from going to/from school in Kent
- turning a major motorway and an airfield into a
car park for 10k(!) lorries (plan was tested
with 89(!) lorries, snort)
- flying in scarce medicines
- there's vague ideas about short-lived radioisotopes
for cancer diagnosis and treatment (we will leave
Euratom, which legally makes us similar to N Korea!)
- no concept of the water short-life purification
chemicals (ozone?) that are produced in Europe

There must be something unique about the climate of Europe that makes
it possible to manufacture ozone. I think they have most of the world
supply of oxygen.

It's more likely that cheap electric power plays the crucial role.

FFI, search for "operation yellowhammer" and "operation
brock", and weep for us.

Oh yes, the government gave a contract (now cancelled)
to a company, Seaborne Freight, for extra cross-channel
ferry capacity. The company has *zero* ships, and zero
experience of shipping and logistics. And the ports
they planned to use are too small.

You couldn't make it up!

Hysteria is ever popular. And amusing.

The UK has mousetrapped itself into an unfortunate situation. Hysteria isn't a productive reaction (and consequently not all that popular with the people who have to knuckle down and come up with some kind of more or less practicable solution). Finding it funny is schadenfreude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

Since the US elected Donald Trump as it's president, they may be paying more attention to other peoples stupid choices.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it.
And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can
eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can
go starve. How dumb are you? You'll soon find out when the products
you're used become unavailable or exorbitantly priced, very soon.

When you write apologist comments which back up the so-called "settled
and accepted science" you invite a future scenario where you and I will
be eating insects for protein whilst the likes of the odious brat in the
video will be feasting on the finest quality lamb, beef, pork and
chicken. Jeez, have none of you people read Animal Farm??




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[bitrex]

On 4/23/19 1:15 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it.
And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can
eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can
go starve. How dumb are you? You'll soon find out when the products
you're used become unavailable or exorbitantly priced, very soon.

When you write apologist comments which back up the so-called "settled
and accepted science" you invite a future scenario where you and I will
be eating insects for protein whilst the likes of the odious brat in the
video will be feasting on the finest quality lamb, beef, pork and
chicken. Jeez, have none of you people read Animal Farm??

Ever worry that in a future scenario you might be called upon to sneak
into Mordor to drop the One Ring of Power into a firey pit of lava to
defeat the dark lord Sauron and return peace to the realm of Middle Earth?

Jeez, have none of you people read The Lord of the Rings?

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

[...]


I should also remind you that I provided documentary evidence, which you
were able to verify for yourself, that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere
has remained steady at 400ppm for at least as long as the first
automobiles were commercially produced. But you choose to ignore any
evidence that doesn't accord with your prejudices.

If AGW were true, then why did the University of East Anglia have to
falsify their findings in order to please those who paid them to
undertake the research?

Read about the lying bastards here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/
Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html




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On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 3:28:19 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

[...]


I should also remind you that I provided documentary evidence, which you
were able to verify for yourself, that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere
has remained steady at 400ppm for at least as long as the first
automobiles were commercially produced.

Any fool can concoct lying documents, and a gullible idiot like Cursitor Doom is gullible enough to take them seriously.

But you choose to ignore any
evidence that doesn't accord with your prejudices.

I have this distinct prejudice in favour of scientific evidence from organisations who don't exist to peddle lying propaganda for money.

If AGW were true, then why did the University of East Anglia have to
falsify their findings in order to please those who paid them to
undertake the research?

They didn't. Climategate was invented by the denialist propaganda industry.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727671-300-the-climate-scandal-that-never-was/

Read about the lying bastards here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/
Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

Dated 28 Nov 2009

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christopher_Booker

Cursitor Doom has put his faith in a rather nasty piece of work.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 10:28:19 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

I should also remind you that I provided documentary evidence, which you
were able to verify for yourself, that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere
has remained steady at 400ppm ...

A document from a completely impeachable source. There was also a funny little insect
that got the reputation of going a mile a minute... because of some
casual remark that got taken WAY too seriously <http://www.mostextreme.org/fastest_insect.php>

The best evidence is trapped bubbles in Arctic (Antarctic?) ice, for historic CO2 , and
doesn't confirm the number you claim to believe.

Critical reading skills are important.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or not at all"

 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 6:24:11 PM UTC+10, whit3rd wrote:

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 10:28:19 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

I should also remind you that I provided documentary evidence, which you
were able to verify for yourself, that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere
has remained steady at 400ppm ...

A document from a completely impeachable source. There was also a funny little insect
that got the reputation of going a mile a minute... because of some
casual remark that got taken WAY too seriously <http://www.mostextreme.org/fastest_insect.php

The best evidence is trapped bubbles in Arctic (Antarctic?) ice, for historic CO2 , and doesn't confirm the number you claim to believe.

Greenland ice cores took us back about 100,000 years ago, and Antarctic ice cores to about 800.000 years ago.

https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-and-climate-change/

> Critical reading skills are important.

As Cursitor Doom has told us. He seems to think that he has them.

> "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or not at all"

Cursitor Doom seems to drink deeply from denialist propaganda sources, and rejects all others.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Robert Baer]

Cursitor Doom wrote:

God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!

https://tinyurl.com/y2neotz3

Well, if HE cannot stand these supposed catastrophes then HE should
$FUND$ the food and delivery to his "starving masses".
Be an example, not a whining Hitler.


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[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:11:13 -0800, Robert Baer wrote:

Well, if HE cannot stand these supposed catastrophes then HE should
$FUND$ the food and delivery to his "starving masses".
Be an example, not a whining Hitler.

It's interesting the way these people storm off in a huff, thereby
attempting to occupy the high moral ground, when in truth (because it's
all based on junk science) they just can't answer tricky questions.




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On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 3:00:28 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:11:13 -0800, Robert Baer wrote:

Well, if HE cannot stand these supposed catastrophes then HE should
$FUND$ the food and delivery to his "starving masses".
Be an example, not a whining Hitler.

It's interesting the way these people storm off in a huff, thereby
attempting to occupy the high moral ground, when in truth (because it's
all based on junk science) they just can't answer tricky questions.

Cursitor Doom's ideas about what constitutes "junk science" are unconventional, to the point of being decidedly foolish, and Sky News isn't gong to ask tricky questions (if the trick doesn't involve working out how they could have asked such a stupid question).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Joseph Gwinn]

On Apr 23, 2019, Cursitor Doom wrote
(in article <q9nhvf$95k$2@dont-email.me&gt:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

[...]

I should also remind you that I provided documentary evidence, which you
were able to verify for yourself, that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere
has remained steady at 400ppm for at least as long as the first
automobiles were commercially produced. But you choose to ignore any
evidence that doesn't accord with your prejudices.

If AGW were true, then why did the University of East Anglia have to
falsify their findings in order to please those who paid them to
undertake the research?

Read about the lying bastards here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/
Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

I downloaded the East Anglia data back in the day, and explored the corpus of
emails. There definitely were some emails that demonstrated unscientific
behavior - apparently, the end justified the means. The Telegraph has a
related series of articles.

..
TheClimatic Research Unit folk were also worried about the likely political
effects of what we now call the Climate Hiatus, where measured temperatures
ceased to follow the hockey-stick curve, instead becoming almost constant.
Their assessment of the politics was prescient.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus>

..
Professor Jones being grilled:

..<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientist-admits-leaked-emails-
were-pretty-awful-1914295.html>

..
People have spun the stolen emails from East Anglia many ways, and the area
has become thoroughly muddled, with everybody insisting that only they have
the one true summary. Time for the original source:

..<https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996
-2009>

There used to be an easily searched online database as well, but I can´t
find it. I used a programmers text editor, BBEdit, one that could search a
group of files at once without having to open each file in turn.

..
By the way, the issue here is not whether Climate Change is or is not true.
..

Joe Gwinn

 

[Robert Baer]

Joseph Gwinn wrote:

On Apr 23, 2019, Cursitor Doom wrote
(in article <q9nhvf$95k$2@dont-email.me&gt:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

[...]

I should also remind you that I provided documentary evidence, which you
were able to verify for yourself, that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere
has remained steady at 400ppm for at least as long as the first
automobiles were commercially produced. But you choose to ignore any
evidence that doesn't accord with your prejudices.

If AGW were true, then why did the University of East Anglia have to
falsify their findings in order to please those who paid them to
undertake the research?

Read about the lying bastards here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/
Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

I downloaded the East Anglia data back in the day, and explored the corpus of
emails. There definitely were some emails that demonstrated unscientific
behavior - apparently, the end justified the means. The Telegraph has a
related series of articles.

.
TheClimatic Research Unit folk were also worried about the likely political
effects of what we now call the Climate Hiatus, where measured temperatures
ceased to follow the hockey-stick curve, instead becoming almost constant.
Their assessment of the politics was prescient.

.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus

.
Professor Jones being grilled:

.<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientist-admits-leaked-emails-
were-pretty-awful-1914295.html

.
People have spun the stolen emails from East Anglia many ways, and the area
has become thoroughly muddled, with everybody insisting that only they have
the one true summary.
* Remember, each and every religion is the one and only true religion....

Time for the original source:

.<https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996
-2009

There used to be an easily searched online database as well, but I can´t
find it. I used a programmers text editor, BBEdit, one that could search a
group of files at once without having to open each file in turn.

.
By the way, the issue here is not whether Climate Change is or is not true.
.

Joe Gwinn

 

On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 9:14:51 AM UTC+10, Robert Baer wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
On Apr 23, 2019, Cursitor Doom wrote
(in article <q9nhvf$95k$2@dont-email.me&gt:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

<snip>

People have spun the stolen emails from East Anglia many ways, and the area
has become thoroughly muddled, with everybody insisting that only they have
the one true summary.

The bottom line is that the e-mails were reviewed by several groups who did know enough about what academics do, and are supposed to do, to be able to come to useful conclusions. None of them thought that e-mails revealed any questionable activity. Climate change denialists have stuck with the conclusion that they like.

https://www.amazon.com/Climate-Files-Battle-Global-Warming/dp/0852652291

is a book by a UK science journalist - Fred Pearce - who, like pretty much all UK science journalists, doesn't know much about science. He didn't think that the scientists involved had ever tried to mislead anybody, but he didn't much like the way they'd gone after a denialist editor who had worked his way onto the editorial board of a peer-reviewed climate science journal and subsequently ignored the peer-reviews he'd received and published a thoroughly bad paper whose content suited the denialist propaganda machine.

Fed Pearce was thinking in terms of freedom of opinion, which isn't appropriate in this context.

> * Remember, each and every religion is the one and only true religion....

Not strictly true. Muslims regard Jews and Christians as "people of the book".

And anthropogenic global warming isn't a religious issue, but rather a scientific hypothesis which happens to be supported by a lot of scientific evidence.

Climate change denial isn't a religion either, but rather a commercial operation designed to let the fossil carbon extraction industry go on making money out of extracting fossil carbon and selling it as fuel for a long as possible, even though the process is damaging our environment.

Robert Baer is a Baer of very little brain, and this all goes over his head..

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 13:29:10 -0400, Joseph Gwinn wrote:

People have spun the stolen emails from East Anglia many ways, and the
area has become thoroughly muddled, with everybody insisting that only
they have the one true summary. Time for the original source:

.<https://wikileaks.org/wiki/
Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996
-2009

60Mb of lies and collusion.



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On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 9:04:25 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 13:29:10 -0400, Joseph Gwinn wrote:

People have spun the stolen emails from East Anglia many ways, and the
area has become thoroughly muddled, with everybody insisting that only
they have the one true summary. Time for the original source:

.<https://wikileaks.org/wiki/
Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996
-2009

60Mb of lies and collusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

"Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct."

The denialist propaganda machine could use selective quotation and active text-chopping to concoct the story they wanted to peddle, but it was all nonsense, but the kind of nonsense that makes Cursitor Doom happy.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 4:04:25 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 13:29:10 -0400, Joseph Gwinn wrote:

People have spun the stolen emails from East Anglia many ways, and the
area has become thoroughly muddled, with everybody insisting that only
they have the one true summary. Time for the original source:

.<https://wikileaks.org/wiki/
Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996
-2009

60Mb of lies and collusion.

But why would I need to look at all that text?
Find ONE lie, it might be worth examining a bit of the (stolen) messages.

As for 'collusion', any organization that hosts e-mail is involved
in cooperative work, what is your objection to that? Don't bother
with the inconsequentials, or with a 'summary', if you can't point to anything
problematic, just admit you've got nothing.

 

>"... and doesn't provide the nourishment of meat. "

You forgot minerals. The land has seen so much overuse that it produces foods devoid of any minerals except for what the plant needs, i.e. with what they feed it. to feed it comprehensively would be cost prohibitive.

In the old days some minerals were provided to the livestock by means of salt, which was unrefined unlike the useless garbage ion the kitchen table today. Now that that is getting hard to get (I know because I need to replenish my stock and having trouble finding it) they use a comprehensive mineral supplement.

Animals need more minerals than plants, without those supplements the stock would die before hitting market weight. It's not like they do it for us. In fact the FDA has rules about that now and the farms wanted to halt the supplements when it was soon to slaughter, pigs notably.

You may want to ask why pigs but not cows, I have no idea, it could be a conspiracy or it could just be a matter of cost. whatever it was the government actually did the right thing and told them to go fuck off.

If you want to be a vegetarian, or especially a vegan it would to you well to research all this and get a diet plan that covers all the bases. There are 24 minerals recognized as essential, and many believe quite a few more are at least beneficial.

Most of these minerals we need very little, but none is very bad.

There is a ton of evidence out there for those who know how to look.

 

Will you just post a fucking URL ? I get there and it is order-order.com, WTF ! I won't be seeing any tinyurl links so in case you want any input from me you know what to do.