OT: Eco-Warrior Gets Pwned by Veteran News Presenter!

[Cursitor Doom]

God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!

https://tinyurl.com/y2neotz3



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Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in
news:q9i7rs$ckv$1@dont-email.me:

God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous,
holier- than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban
on meat consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!

https://tinyurl.com/y2neotz3

Only if he can gaurantee a way to turn prime beef into soylent brown.

And dumb fucktards like him into soylent shark food. The sharks that
surround the prison we send them to.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!

https://tinyurl.com/y2neotz3

No problem:
<https://www.beyondmeat.com>
<https://impossiblefoods.com>
I've tried some of these. Tastes like meat. Cooks very much like
meat. Available at some local markets. Costs about twice as much.

More fake meat:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_analogue>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_meat_substitutes>

There probably won't be a ban on meat, but there might be a tax to
make the fake meats more competative.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 21/04/19 19:16, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!

https://tinyurl.com/y2neotz3

No problem:
https://www.beyondmeat.com
https://impossiblefoods.com
I've tried some of these. Tastes like meat. Cooks very much like
meat.

.... and doesn't provide the nourishment of meat.

A real problem for first world vegans is getting any B12.
Yes, you can quite reasonably get it from supplements,
but that's "not natural". And "being natural" seems to
be a big thing with vegans.

I say "first world", because the third world vegans
probably get sufficient B12 from eating shit. Bacteria
in us make B12 in the lower intestine, but due to a
grossly incompetent designer, we can only absorb B12
in the upper intestine,

Vegans also have problems with calcium (unless they eat
supplements). Usually they witter on about "oh there's
calcium in broccoli", but they are incapable of
calculating how much broccoli they would need to eat
to get the RDA. (And they're incapable of eating that
much either!).

 

[Clive Arthur]

On 21/04/2019 20:22, Tom Gardner wrote:

<snip>

Vegans also have problems with calcium (unless they eat
supplements).

There's Calcium in that there tofu. Nothing wrong with geophagia.

Cheers
--
Clive

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 21/04/19 22:28, Clive Arthur wrote:

On 21/04/2019 20:22, Tom Gardner wrote:

snip

Vegans also have problems with calcium (unless they eat
supplements).

There's Calcium in that there tofu.  Nothing wrong with geophagia.

False, except when added as a supplement.

According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu
has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you
would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that
in the long term!
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132?fgcd=&manu=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=tofu&ds=SR&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

There are many types of tofu with 150-300mg/100g, but the
footnote says
"Manufacturers use either magnesium chloride (nigari),
calcium sulfate, or both in varying quantities to
precipitate the protein. Calcium and magnesium contents
will vary accordingly."

Now that is a reasonable way to get Ca, but it requires,
ahem, "industrial chemical" supplements - as I noted.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!

You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve.. How dumb are you? You'll soon find out when the products you're used become unavailable or exorbitantly priced, very soon.

https://tinyurl.com/y2neotz3



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On Monday, 22 April 2019 00:52:28 UTC+1, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:

God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

They are, and despite looking good the produce was of lousy quality when I went. But yes it's more variety.

I might keep chickens for eggs but on almost all properties here it's not permitted.

Fishing hasn't a hope of being economically viable even for a minimum wager.

There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

Well I'm not rabid and don't have any problem with importing food. What you state is actually a fallacy but it's moot as the idea that we grow everything we eat here is not really worth pursuing.


NT

 

On Monday, 22 April 2019 00:18:44 UTC+1, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 21/04/19 22:28, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 21/04/2019 20:22, Tom Gardner wrote:

snip

Vegans also have problems with calcium (unless they eat
supplements).

There's Calcium in that there tofu.  Nothing wrong with geophagia.

False, except when added as a supplement.

According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu
has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you
would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that
in the long term!
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132?fgcd=&manu=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=tofu&ds=SR&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing
There are many types of tofu with 150-300mg/100g, but the
footnote says
"Manufacturers use either magnesium chloride (nigari),
calcium sulfate, or both in varying quantities to
precipitate the protein. Calcium and magnesium contents
will vary accordingly."

Now that is a reasonable way to get Ca, but it requires,
ahem, "industrial chemical" supplements - as I noted.

What a silly argument, have you not heard of supplements? Anyone can cover the basics, those are cheap as can be.


NT

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:18:40 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu
has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you
would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that
in the long term!
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132?fgcd=&manu=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=tofu&ds=SR&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

I couldn't get the above URL to display. Blank screen on two
different machines.

My Costco multivitamin pills contain 50mcg (micrograms) of B12.
Skimming a few online articles show the B12 RDA at 2.4mcg.
<https://www.health.harvard.edu/vitamins-and-supplements/getting-enough-vitamin-b12>
The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for adults is
2.4 micrograms (mcg) a day.

800mg (milligrams) per day is far to much.

Incidentally, I also have a bottle of B12 NatureMade timed release B12
at 1000mcg per pill, which the label shows a daily dose is 16,667% of
the RDA. If a little is good for you, a massive overdose must be
better.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 2:31:40 PM UTC+10, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:18:40 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu
has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you
would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that
in the long term!
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132?fgcd=&manu=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=tofu&ds=SR&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

I couldn't get the above URL to display. Blank screen on two
different machines.

My Costco multivitamin pills contain 50mcg (micrograms) of B12.
Skimming a few online articles show the B12 RDA at 2.4mcg.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/vitamins-and-supplements/getting-enough-vitamin-b12
The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for adults is
2.4 micrograms (mcg) a day.

800mg (milligrams) per day is far to much.

Incidentally, I also have a bottle of B12 NatureMade timed release B12
at 1000mcg per pill, which the label shows a daily dose is 16,667% of
the RDA. If a little is good for you, a massive overdose must be
better.

Apparently you can store a lot of it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency

"The total amount of vitamin B12 stored in the body is between two and five milligrams in adults. Approximately 50% is stored in the liver."

"The liver can store three to five years worth of vitamin B12 under normal conditions and functioning."

Overdose doesn't seem to be a problem. Getting it in a form that you can absorb can be a problem for some people.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 22/04/19 05:31, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:18:40 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu
has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you
would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that
in the long term!
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132?fgcd=&manu=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=tofu&ds=SR&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

I couldn't get the above URL to display. Blank screen on two
different machines.

Strange. It worked for me in three different browsers.

Try https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132
or, better, search for USDA nutrient database and then
lookup "Tofu, salted and fermented (fuyu)"

My Costco multivitamin pills contain 50mcg (micrograms) of B12.
Skimming a few online articles show the B12 RDA at 2.4mcg.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/vitamins-and-supplements/getting-enough-vitamin-b12
The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for adults is
2.4 micrograms (mcg) a day.

Just so; we agree.

As I wrote, but Clive Arthur snipped...

A real problem for first world vegans is getting any B12.
Yes, you can quite reasonably get it from supplements,
but that's "not natural". And "being natural" seems to
be a big thing with vegans.


> 800mg (milligrams) per day is far to much.

That's the RDA for *calcium*, not B12. Calcium is
also a problem for those that don't eat dairy and
drink soft water.

Incidentally, I also have a bottle of B12 NatureMade timed release B12
at 1000mcg per pill, which the label shows a daily dose is 16,667% of
the RDA. If a little is good for you, a massive overdose must be
better.

If someone is suffering pernicious anaemia (the precursor
to irreversible nerve/brain damage caused by B12 deficiency),
then such massive amounts of B12 are indeed prescribed
and sometimes injected. So 1mg isn't unreasonable,
in /those/ conditions.

Pernicious anaemia can be staved off by high folate intakes,
but that doesn't stop the irreversible CNS. Vegans have a
high folate intake, so they miss the "warning signs" of
(reversible) pernicious anaemia, and move straight to
irreversible brain damage.

The other relevant fact about B12 is that a "fully loaded"
liver can contain more than a /decade/ supply of B12.
Hence any statements such as "I went vegan 5 years ago
and haven't suffered any problems" should be taken with
a pinch of salt (or preferably B12).

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 22/04/19 06:24, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 2:31:40 PM UTC+10, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:18:40 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu
has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you
would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that
in the long term!
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132?fgcd=&manu=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=tofu&ds=SR&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

I couldn't get the above URL to display. Blank screen on two
different machines.

My Costco multivitamin pills contain 50mcg (micrograms) of B12.
Skimming a few online articles show the B12 RDA at 2.4mcg.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/vitamins-and-supplements/getting-enough-vitamin-b12
The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for adults is
2.4 micrograms (mcg) a day.

800mg (milligrams) per day is far to much.

Incidentally, I also have a bottle of B12 NatureMade timed release B12
at 1000mcg per pill, which the label shows a daily dose is 16,667% of
the RDA. If a little is good for you, a massive overdose must be
better.

Apparently you can store a lot of it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency

"The total amount of vitamin B12 stored in the body is between two and five milligrams in adults. Approximately 50% is stored in the liver."

"The liver can store three to five years worth of vitamin B12 under normal conditions and functioning."

I've also seen 10 years; there is apparently either a lot
of variability or everybody naturally consumes some B12
from various sources, or some people need less.

B12 is only made by bacteria. Our only natural sources
are meat/fish/dairy and shit.

I sometimes wonder if various animals are copraphagous
for that reason, but I've no idea whether there is any
validity to the concept.


> Overdose doesn't seem to be a problem. Getting it in a form that you can absorb can be a problem for some people.

Just so. There's something called "intrinsic factor"
involved in absorption, but it doesn't seem to be too
well understood.

Problems are particularly apparent in women over 50.

 

On Monday, 22 April 2019 05:31:40 UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:18:40 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu
has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you
would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that
in the long term!
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/16132?fgcd=&manu=&format=&count=&max=25&offset=&sort=default&order=asc&qlookup=tofu&ds=SR&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=

I couldn't get the above URL to display. Blank screen on two
different machines.

My Costco multivitamin pills contain 50mcg (micrograms) of B12.
Skimming a few online articles show the B12 RDA at 2.4mcg.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/vitamins-and-supplements/getting-enough-vitamin-b12
The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for adults is
2.4 micrograms (mcg) a day.

800mg (milligrams) per day is far to much.

Incidentally, I also have a bottle of B12 NatureMade timed release B12
at 1000mcg per pill, which the label shows a daily dose is 16,667% of
the RDA. If a little is good for you, a massive overdose must be
better.

RDA is not a description of a level above which lies overdose. It is merely one view on what constitutes adequate for most people. Only at the bottom end of the supplement market do tabs include 100% RDA of many things.


NT

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 22/04/19 15:52, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:52:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

They are mostly cheap here in California. If you get out of a big city
and go a bit inland, into the central valley, produce is absurdly
cheap at roadside stands. The stuff is fresh out of the fields and
superb. Of course stuff costs more in a big city.

OK; terminology difference.

There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

If BG leaves the european union, do you think the EU will blockade by
air and sea and starve the brits to death?

No, but there must, by law, be checking of goods that
cross the boundary. The question is how significant
those checks will be. The French and Dutch think they
will be *very* significant.

The prominent brexiteers have, belatedly, stated that
they didn't realise how much food came across the
channel (Dunning-Kruger syndrome with a vengence).

The UK government's plans include:
- sending extra police to N Ireland and Kent (why?)
- deploying 3500 troops (to do just what?)
- preventing kids from going to/from school in Kent
- turning a major motorway and an airfield into a
car park for 10k(!) lorries (plan was tested
with 89(!) lorries, snort)
- flying in scarce medicines
- there's vague ideas about short-lived radioisotopes
for cancer diagnosis and treatment (we will leave
Euratom, which legally makes us similar to N Korea!)
- no concept of the water short-life purification
chemicals (ozone?) that are produced in Europe
FFI, search for "operation yellowhammer" and "operation
brock", and weep for us.

Oh yes, the government gave a contract (now cancelled)
to a company, Seaborne Freight, for extra cross-channel
ferry capacity. The company has *zero* ships, and zero
experience of shipping and logistics. And the ports
they planned to use are too small.

You couldn't make it up!

 

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:7skrbed9hn6au46150bjb8fotfstlidtm7@4ax.com:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:52:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom
wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled,
pompous, holier- than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a
complete ban on meat consumption within 6 years - enforced
Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit
of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as
what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag
tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

They are mostly cheap here in California. If you get out of a big
city and go a bit inland, into the central valley, produce is
absurdly cheap at roadside stands. The stuff is fresh out of the
fields and superb. Of course stuff costs more in a big city.


There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

If BG leaves the european union, do you think the EU will blockade
by air and sea and starve the brits to death?

You could always smuggle food in from Canada by submarine.

Or drop it in from space, man! Wow!

You guys are a real piece of work.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:52:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

They are mostly cheap here in California. If you get out of a big city
and go a bit inland, into the central valley, produce is absurdly
cheap at roadside stands. The stuff is fresh out of the fields and
superb. Of course stuff costs more in a big city.

There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

If BG leaves the european union, do you think the EU will blockade by
air and sea and starve the brits to death?

You could always smuggle food in from Canada by submarine.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:21:46 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 15:52, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 00:52:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 22/04/19 00:14, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier-
than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat
consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!


You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And this phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve. How dumb are you?

Shop at a farmers market. Raise your own chickens. Go fishing.

How lazy are you?

Over here...

Farmers markets are expensive, too expensive for many.

They are mostly cheap here in California. If you get out of a big city
and go a bit inland, into the central valley, produce is absurdly
cheap at roadside stands. The stuff is fresh out of the fields and
superb. Of course stuff costs more in a big city.

OK; terminology difference.


There isn't enough land to grow all the food we eat,
as the rabid Brexiteers seem incapable of understanding.

If BG leaves the european union, do you think the EU will blockade by
air and sea and starve the brits to death?

No, but there must, by law, be checking of goods that
cross the boundary. The question is how significant
those checks will be. The French and Dutch think they
will be *very* significant.

If French and Dutch farmers want to abandon their own markets, lots of
other people will feed the Brits. The US has embarassing crop
surpluses. You can survive on California and Australian wine too.

The prominent brexiteers have, belatedly, stated that
they didn't realise how much food came across the
channel (Dunning-Kruger syndrome with a vengence).

The UK government's plans include:
- sending extra police to N Ireland and Kent (why?)
- deploying 3500 troops (to do just what?)
- preventing kids from going to/from school in Kent
- turning a major motorway and an airfield into a
car park for 10k(!) lorries (plan was tested
with 89(!) lorries, snort)
- flying in scarce medicines
- there's vague ideas about short-lived radioisotopes
for cancer diagnosis and treatment (we will leave
Euratom, which legally makes us similar to N Korea!)
- no concept of the water short-life purification
chemicals (ozone?) that are produced in Europe

There must be something unique about the climate of Europe that makes
it possible to manufacture ozone. I think they have most of the world
supply of oxygen.

FFI, search for "operation yellowhammer" and "operation
brock", and weep for us.

Oh yes, the government gave a contract (now cancelled)
to a company, Seaborne Freight, for extra cross-channel
ferry capacity. The company has *zero* ships, and zero
experience of shipping and logistics. And the ports
they planned to use are too small.

You couldn't make it up!

Hysteria is ever popular. And amusing.


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