[OT] Bush blames others for high oil prices

[Terry Given]

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
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[snip stuff I really dont care about. I mean come on, all governments screw
people ;]

I keep saying "Act Locally" but you don't get it. Hint: I
don't own a car. I have ordered my life so that I don't need
one, hence I don't need "Big Oil"'s products. I just don't
care what the price of gasoline is. Why do you?

Mark L. Fergerson

Mark,
That is brilliant. I too have done a similar thing. Hell, I even grow some
of my own food, and am in the process (after I make a cool $150,000
subdividing a couple of sections off my property, which wil pay off the rest
of my mortgage) of setting up a nice little avocado orchard ($3 each at the
supermarket - theres gold in them thar trees). After that comes the
greenhouse. And I set up a small market gardening business to sell my
produce (that I really only intend for myself). I dont want to make a
profit, a loss would be better - after all, I will incur the expenses
anyway. This way it comes off my income before tax is calculated.

I pay very little tax, as I only do enough work to earn what I need (I try
to keep my taxable income at about $40,000). If I earn too much, it gets
"invested" in plant - a nice lathe is next on the list, followed by a
milling machine - so comes off my pre-tax income. Essentially I am moving
myself sideways out of the economic system, which I can then cherry-pick at
my leisure. I sure am lucky I have high-tech skills; Joe average cant do
this. I used to pay a lot of tax, and cant tell the difference now in terms
of benefit received.

My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm (I will be able to afford it freehold
when I sell this place next year), then turn around and lease 90 acres for
grazing, thereby obtaining a work-free income of about $30,000 per annum - a
lot better than leaving the cash in the bank. (I also plan on buying
something above 50m elevation - hows that for long-term strategic
planning?). By making myself entirely self-sufficient in terms water, food
(kill my own goats/sheep/pigs/chickens/rabbits), sewerage and electricity
(quite feasible but needs capital) my overheads become negligible, and I can
do even less paid work. sloth is good.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Daniel Haude]

On Fri, 21 May 2004 08:50:34 -0700,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote
in Msg. <149sa0lvo0s1lihosat94fa8qmgemkc3r9@4ax.com>

From insurance statistics it appears that the average VEHICLE travels
15,000 miles per year. At 20MPG that's 750 gallons or 2839 liters per
year.

Whoa, that's twice as much as I said. I read in the newspaper that the
US used 400 billion liters per year and divided that by 290 million.

--Daniel

--
"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)

 

[Reg Edwards]

My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm

===============================

Smart property development does not add to the sum total wealth of the
world. It merely transfers the authority of what to do with it from one set
of hands to another.

Any gain in wealth is invariably at somebody else's expense.

The end-losers are currectly in places such as tropical Africa and in Iraq
(oil).

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Terry Given wrote:

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:qBqrc.755$PU5.521@fed1read06...
[snip stuff I really dont care about. I mean come on, all governments screw
people ;]

I keep saying "Act Locally" but you don't get it. Hint: I
don't own a car. I have ordered my life so that I don't need
one, hence I don't need "Big Oil"'s products. I just don't
care what the price of gasoline is. Why do you?

Mark L. Fergerson


Mark,
That is brilliant.

I thought it was merely obvious.

I too have done a similar thing.

Good! Somebody else "gets it".

<snip to the crash>

Essentially I am moving
myself sideways out of the economic system, which I can then cherry-pick at
my leisure.

_That's_ true brilliance!

I sure am lucky I have high-tech skills; Joe average cant

I disagree. _Any_ salable skills that don't require the
intervention of "management" can get Joe Average out of the
system (with appropriate bookkeeping precautions, of course).

My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm (I will be able to afford it freehold
when I sell this place next year), then turn around and lease 90 acres for
grazing, thereby obtaining a work-free income of about $30,000 per annum - a
lot better than leaving the cash in the bank. (I also plan on buying
something above 50m elevation - hows that for long-term strategic
planning?). By making myself entirely self-sufficient in terms water, food
(kill my own goats/sheep/pigs/chickens/rabbits), sewerage and electricity
(quite feasible but needs capital) my overheads become negligible, and I can
do even less paid work. sloth is good.

Damn straight. Keep up the good work. As for "needs
capital", think "sweat equity". But remember to work smart,
not hard. ;&gt

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:14:17 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
<g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

Any gain in wealth is invariably at somebody else's expense.

If that were true, we'd all still be hunter-gatherers living to maybe
40 years max.

John

 

[KR Williams]

In article <c8tah9$jjv$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com says...

My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm

===============================

Smart property development does not add to the sum total wealth of the
world. It merely transfers the authority of what to do with it from one set
of hands to another.

Any gain in wealth is invariably at somebody else's expense.

BS. The chair you sit in is worth more than the tree it came
from.

The end-losers are currectly in places such as tropical Africa and in Iraq
(oil).

BS. Africa is a loser because there is no concept of property
rights. Iraq is a loser (short term) because they allowed a thug
to get too powerful and he had to be terminated.


You sound like Walz.

--
Keith

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> schreef in bericht
news:MPG.1b1c14dc736b3ba39898fe@news1.news.adelphia.net...

In article <c8tah9$jjv$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com says...
My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart
property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm

===============================

Smart property development does not add to the sum total wealth of the
world. It merely transfers the authority of what to do with it from one
set
of hands to another.

Any gain in wealth is invariably at somebody else's expense.

BS. The chair you sit in is worth more than the tree it came
from.

The end-losers are currectly in places such as tropical Africa and in
Iraq
(oil).

BS. Africa is a loser because there is no concept of property
rights. Iraq is a loser (short term) because they allowed a thug
to get too powerful and he had to be terminated.

USA covers 3,537,441 square miles
Europe covers 4,065,945 square miles
Africa covers 11,700,000 square miles

Africa is so incredibly big and colorful, that every statement in the
form of "Africa is..." is an unjustified simplification.

Except the one I just made of course I guess my point is that
you can walk through Africa all entire life, and still don't know it.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Del Cecchi]

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:zXqsc.22046$PU5.12546@fed1read06...

Terry Given wrote:
snip
My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart
property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm (I will be able to afford it freehold
when I sell this place next year), then turn around and lease 90 acres
for
grazing, thereby obtaining a work-free income of about $30,000 per
annum - a
lot better than leaving the cash in the bank. (I also plan on buying
something above 50m elevation - hows that for long-term strategic
planning?). By making myself entirely self-sufficient in terms water,
food
(kill my own goats/sheep/pigs/chickens/rabbits), sewerage and
electricity
(quite feasible but needs capital) my overheads become negligible, and I
can
do even less paid work. sloth is good.

Damn straight. Keep up the good work. As for "needs
capital", think "sweat equity". But remember to work smart,
not hard. ;&gt

Mark L. Fergerson

Where do you guys live that grazing goes for $330/acre? Around the midwest

in the US you can't get that kind of rent for prime farmland to grow corn or
soybeans, much less grazing.

del cecchi

 

[Terry Given]

"Reg Edwards" <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c8tah9$jjv$1@sparta.btinternet.com...

My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart
property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm

===============================

Smart property development does not add to the sum total wealth of the
world. It merely transfers the authority of what to do with it from one
set
of hands to another.

Any gain in wealth is invariably at somebody else's expense.

The end-losers are currectly in places such as tropical Africa and in Iraq
(oil).

Perhaps you are right Reg. From my perspective, as long as I get my bit, I'm
happy.

It is also fair to point out that stupid property development adds to the
poverty of the working class - read as, blue collar workers pay rent, ie
someone elses mortgage. I have been paying close attention to where and how
I spend my money since about 1999, over which time the amount of money I
"have" has increased 20-fold. about half through earning a lot more than I
spend, the rest through said smart property investments. But I am not your
typical "evil" property investor. When I sold the domes, I made about
$150,000. But thats because they were derelict when I bought them (although
in a good area) and I worked my arse off to completely renovate them (while
working full time). And built huge, park-like gardens from scratch. Only
spent $50,000 doing it, which ate 1/4 of my profit. Funny how the harder I
work, the luckier I get.

I also teach at the local high school, for free. Im not THAT bad

Cheers
Terry

 

[Terry Given]

"Del Cecchi" <cecchinospam@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:2hf3a3Fc3uibU1@uni-berlin.de...

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:zXqsc.22046$PU5.12546@fed1read06...
Terry Given wrote:
snip
My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart
property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm (I will be able to afford it
freehold
when I sell this place next year), then turn around and lease 90 acres
for
grazing, thereby obtaining a work-free income of about $30,000 per
annum - a
lot better than leaving the cash in the bank. (I also plan on buying
something above 50m elevation - hows that for long-term strategic
planning?). By making myself entirely self-sufficient in terms water,
food
(kill my own goats/sheep/pigs/chickens/rabbits), sewerage and
electricity
(quite feasible but needs capital) my overheads become negligible, and
I
can
do even less paid work. sloth is good.

Damn straight. Keep up the good work. As for "needs
capital", think "sweat equity". But remember to work smart,
not hard. ;&gt

Mark L. Fergerson

Where do you guys live that grazing goes for $330/acre? Around the
midwest
in the US you can't get that kind of rent for prime farmland to grow corn
or
soybeans, much less grazing.

del cecchi

New Zealand. Typical lease rates for grazing are 10% of property value. I'd
be happy with 1/3 that, but wont give any extra back Probably because our
land is extremely fertile, and our farmers are among, if not actually, the
best in the world. NZ has NO AGRICULTURAL SUBSIDIES AT ALL. They were
disbanded in the late eighties, in a noble but perhaps foolish attempt at
creating a global level playing field. alas US, Europe (the worst offenders)
subsidise the hell out of their farmers, and still we compete.

Cheers
Terry

 

[KR Williams]

In article <40b251ec$0$180$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl says...

"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> schreef in bericht
news:MPG.1b1c14dc736b3ba39898fe@news1.news.adelphia.net...
In article <c8tah9$jjv$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com says...
My medium term plan is to take the money I have earned from smart
property
investment, and buy a 100acre farm

===============================

Smart property development does not add to the sum total wealth of the
world. It merely transfers the authority of what to do with it from one
set
of hands to another.

Any gain in wealth is invariably at somebody else's expense.

BS. The chair you sit in is worth more than the tree it came
from.

The end-losers are currectly in places such as tropical Africa and in
Iraq
(oil).

BS. Africa is a loser because there is no concept of property
rights. Iraq is a loser (short term) because they allowed a thug
to get too powerful and he had to be terminated.

USA covers 3,537,441 square miles
Europe covers 4,065,945 square miles
Africa covers 11,700,000 square miles

Africa is so incredibly big and colorful, that every statement in the
form of "Africa is..." is an unjustified simplification.

Oh, my.... Did you have a point?

Except the one I just made of course I guess my point is that
you can walk through Africa all entire life, and still don't know it.

Oh, my.... (see above).

The fact is that without property rights there is no such thing
as individual rights. Without individual rights there is no
progress, because there cannot be any investment in the future.
Look at the 'Z' countries in Africa! Sheesh, you Euro-loons are
amazingly dense.

--
Keith