[OT] Bush blames others for high oil prices

Rolavine · May 19, 2004

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more from
their government.

Rocky

John Larkin · May 19, 2004

On 19 May 2004 23:40:48 GMT, rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine) wrote:

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more from
their government.

Rocky

So how much does gasoline cost in Europe?

John

Jim Thompson · May 19, 2004

On Wed, 19 May 2004 17:18:08 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On 19 May 2004 23:40:48 GMT, rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine) wrote:

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more from
their government.

Rocky

So how much does gasoline cost in Europe?

John

Probably not this ratio now, but when I was last in Germany I paid
about the same for a LITER of Benzene as we pay here for a gallon of
Unleaded.

Must be OUR federal government causing that ?

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Scott Stephens · May 20, 2004

John Larkin wrote:

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more from
their government.

Rocky

So how much does gasoline cost in Europe?

That's right! As long as somebody else is bent over and squealing louder
than you, your plight isn't so bad.

Lets be thankful we're not living in China, and forget about all the
evil that is being done against us and humanity with our own money,
blood, sweat and tears.

I thought I was a stupid peasant, Mr. Larkin. I guess I can be grateful
I am not the stupidest.

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John Larkin · May 20, 2004

On Thu, 20 May 2004 01:26:03 GMT, Scott Stephens <scottxs@comcast.net>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more from
their government.

Rocky

So how much does gasoline cost in Europe?

That's right! As long as somebody else is bent over and squealing louder
than you, your plight isn't so bad.

Lets be thankful we're not living in China, and forget about all the
evil that is being done against us and humanity with our own money,
blood, sweat and tears.

I thought I was a stupid peasant, Mr. Larkin. I guess I can be grateful
I am not the stupidest.

The world is running out of gas. There are a billion Chinese who want
cars, another billion in India, and a few more bil around the world
who want to be middle-class, and that means having heat and
electricity and transportation. So Joe American responds by buying a
deliberately hideous 6000 pound SUV and uses it to run to the 7-11 to
buy beer and chips and TV dinners that will kill him.

So who is being stupid?

I hope gas hits $8 a gallon soon. That would get a lot of ugly metal
off the road.

John

mike · May 20, 2004

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 19 May 2004 17:18:08 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On 19 May 2004 23:40:48 GMT, rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine) wrote:

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more from
their government.

Rocky

So how much does gasoline cost in Europe?

John

Probably not this ratio now, but when I was last in Germany I paid
about the same for a LITER of Benzene as we pay here for a gallon of
Unleaded.

Must be OUR federal government causing that ?

Rocky is just a wee bit short of a full deck.

...Jim Thompson

This problem seems trivial to fix.
The distribution system is based on throughput.
If everybody cut their travel by 10%, the system would get constipated.
Gas station tanks fill up, Trucks have nowhere to go, Refinery output
tanks fill up. Input crude tanks fill up. The Oil Tanker caravan backs
up at the docks. Prices WILL fall very quickly!!!

Anybody got a number on how long it would take a 10% reduction in
consumption to constipate the system??? Days? Hours?

Shouldn't be very long before
we could then get back to idling our SUV in the LONG line at the
Starbucks drivethru.

Oh, yeah, the solution requires human cooperation....never mind...
mike

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Jim Thompson · May 20, 2004

On Wed, 19 May 2004 19:59:04 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

[snip]

I hope gas hits $8 a gallon soon. That would get a lot of ugly metal
off the road.

John

You've never known the joys of owning a tank ?

Of course not, you
live in SF, the cost to *garage* you vehicle exceeds the cost of my
owning one.

But I wouldn't mind gasoline hitting $8 per gallon... keep those young
whipper-snappers off the road ;-)

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John Larkin · May 20, 2004

On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:14:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Wed, 19 May 2004 19:59:04 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

[snip]
I hope gas hits $8 a gallon soon. That would get a lot of ugly metal
off the road.

John

You've never known the joys of owning a tank ?

Nope. My Golf is the biggest car I've ever owned.

Of course not, you
live in SF, the cost to *garage* you vehicle exceeds the cost of my
owning one.

We have a "two-car garage" but, what with the workbench and the bee
stuff and the shelves of junk and all, Mo gets to park her Honda and
I'm out on the street. But luckily, parking is easy in my
neighborhood. I can't remember the last time I paid to park, except
for the occasional meter.

But I *hate* SUVs, espacially the hideous Cadillac and Dodge
atrocities, designed to be "menacing." Menacing to the drivers, it
says in the fine print.

John

Jim Thompson · May 20, 2004

On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:35:17 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

[snip]

We have a "two-car garage" but, what with the workbench and the bee
stuff and the shelves of junk and all, Mo gets to park her Honda and
I'm out on the street. But luckily, parking is easy in my
neighborhood. I can't remember the last time I paid to park, except
for the occasional meter.

But I *hate* SUVs, espacially the hideous Cadillac and Dodge
atrocities, designed to be "menacing." Menacing to the drivers, it
says in the fine print.

John

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Scott Stephens · May 20, 2004

John Larkin wrote:

The world is running out of gas.

Because of bad management. Even if we couldn't pump enough out of the
ground, if sane engineers were running the world, rather than
dysfunctional, predatory, sociopathic, deluded, criminally insane
megalomaniacs, the sane engineers could use nuclear power to reform
and/or synthesize 100's of years of petroleum from oil shale or any
other 'ol hydrocarbons.

But no, men measure themselves according to the misery of their
neighbors. Consequently, the urge to degrade, dominate and destroy,
rather than work and create condemns humanity to impoverishment.

No thanks to dysfunctional people that measure themselves by their
neighbors misery, rather than their own potential.

There are a billion Chinese who want

cars, another billion in India, and a few more bil around the world
who want to be middle-class, and that means having heat and
electricity and transportation.

Is their desire, even their need, an obligation on me, my talent, time,
or treasure? Would they know what to do with gas, oil, electricity or
engines without an American to sell them the appliance, teach them how
to use and maintain it?

So Joe American responds by buying a

deliberately hideous 6000 pound SUV and uses it to run to the 7-11 to
buy beer and chips and TV dinners that will kill him.

Your damn right. My ancestors profited from their desire to get ahead,
their greed. As long as prestige and greed is motivated by the desire to
enjoy life, rather than the desire to be envied by ones neighbor for
social dominance, greed is a damn good thing.

Maybe if the Chinese and others were more free to be greedy, rather than
feeling constrained to be no happier than their most miserable neighbor,
lest the local communist party member punish them for shaming their
inferiors by their superiority, they would be leading the west. They had
the printing press, gunpowder, compass, and other inventions. They were
too oppressed and stagnant to capitalize on them.

So who is being stupid?

Humans that measure themselves against their neighbor, rather than their
potential.

I hope gas hits $8 a gallon soon. That would get a lot of ugly metal
off the road.

If it does, your poor pathetic peasants will be feeding maggots before
us fat, greedy Americans run out of TV dinners and Michael Jackson CD's.

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Julie · May 20, 2004

Rolavine wrote:

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more from
their government.

Rocky

This topic, regardless of the OT prefix, is definitely OFF TOPIC in this forum.

Please take this discussion offline or to the proper forum where it will be
welcome.

Thank you.

Frank Bemelman · May 20, 2004

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bericht news:9a7oa01pivc3dl8hoevpen0ib2m26g3vng@4ax.com...

[snip]

I hope gas hits $8 a gallon soon. That would get a lot of ugly metal
off the road.

Price of gas in the Netherlands is 1.33 euro per liter. About US$1.56, at
the current exchange rate of 1.20. In Germany it is 15 cents cheaper (?) not
sure. A gallon is 3.79 liter, so the price for a gallon is roughly US$6.04

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Rolavine · May 20, 2004

Bush blames others for high oil prices
From: Jim Thompson thegreatone@example.com
Date: 5/19/2004 5:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <npuna0de85q5v4qaac6rokhtihnu806ipv@4ax.com

On Wed, 19 May 2004 17:18:08 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On 19 May 2004 23:40:48 GMT, rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine) wrote:

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only
response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on
some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON
was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the
excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more
from
their government.

Rocky

So how much does gasoline cost in Europe?

John

Probably not this ratio now, but when I was last in Germany I paid
about the same for a LITER of Benzene as we pay here for a gallon of
Unleaded.

Must be OUR federal government causing that ?

Rocky is just a wee bit short of a full deck.

In case you have not noticed this is not Europe. So are you saying this is OK
because it's less than they pay in Europe? No need to consider any aspects of
the prices of fuel in Europe or the taxes levied on it? And you feel you
actually said something that has value? And I'm the one without a full deck?

You know I can't take laughing this hard anymore.

Rocky

Rolavine · May 20, 2004

Bush blames others for high oil prices
From: Julie julie@nospam.com
Date: 5/19/2004 10:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <40AC3E6D.9A858688@nospam.com

Rolavine wrote:

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only
response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on
some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON
was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the
excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more
from
their government.

Rocky

This topic, regardless of the OT prefix, is definitely OFF TOPIC in this
forum.

Please take this discussion offline or to the proper forum where it will be
welcome.

Of course your righ,t but I come in here and find Kerry Attacked all the time
in this forum.

Rocky

Rolavine · May 20, 2004

Bush blames others for high oil prices
From: rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine)
Date: 5/20/2004 12:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <20040520032445.16549.00001774@mb-m04.aol.com

Subject: Re: [OT] Bush blames others for high oil prices
From: Jim Thompson thegreatone@example.com
Date: 5/19/2004 5:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <npuna0de85q5v4qaac6rokhtihnu806ipv@4ax.com

On Wed, 19 May 2004 17:18:08 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On 19 May 2004 23:40:48 GMT, rolavine@aol.com (Rolavine) wrote:

Got to love the way this man takes responsibilty for things. His only
response
to the high gas prices is asking congress to pass an energy bill based on
some
ideas he submitted in 2001, during the height of the screwing that ENRON
was
'republican enabled' to give this country.

As of this moment all major oil companies are announcing record profits.
Nothing has happened to the supply of oil, and the industry is using the
excuse
of a lack of refining capacity, a situation that this industry created for
itself.

We need a federal government strong enough to go head to head with
corporations. The one we got now is in the pocket of big oil, and Bush's
unspoken advice to the general public is, "Bend over and squeel like
pigs".
Youknow for a cost of 10K$ per head the citizens should expect a bit more
from
their government.

Rocky

So how much does gasoline cost in Europe?

John

Probably not this ratio now, but when I was last in Germany I paid
about the same for a LITER of Benzene as we pay here for a gallon of
Unleaded.

Must be OUR federal government causing that ?

Rocky is just a wee bit short of a full deck.

In case you have not noticed this is not Europe. So are you saying this is OK
because it's less than they pay in Europe? No need to consider any aspects of
the prices of fuel in Europe or the taxes levied on it? And you feel you
actually said something that has value? And I'm the one without a full deck?

OK, that wasn't good enough so here are a few facts, the % of tax in gasoline
prices are 76% in the UK, 74% in France, and 73% in Germany, while the
percentage of tax in the US is 29%.

Here is my source for this information.
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/gastaxes.asp

This is why a comparison to gas prices in Europe is a meaningless gesture
within this context.

So, Jim and John, you got another shot you want to fire at me, this one is a
dud?

I did notice that no one disagreed with my assesment of Bush's response to this
problem.

As far as me personally, I'm OK, I work at home and don't commute, well, only
from the bedroom to my lab via the bathroom. I drive a Crown Vic (the most fuel
efficient vehicle that could pull my 3500 pound, on trailer, sailboat - l love
to sail the Columbia River) and a Honda 750 Nighthawk that can get 50 mpg if I
drive it slow like a car.

Rocky

Paul Burke · May 20, 2004

Frank Bemelman wrote:

Price of gas in the Netherlands is 1.33 euro per liter. About US$1.56, at
the current exchange rate of 1.20. In Germany it is 15 cents cheaper (?) not
sure. A gallon is 3.79 liter, so the price for a gallon is roughly US$6.04

Now that's interesting. We're always told we are overtaxed on fuel here
in the UK- but at about 83p/l that's 10 eurocentric eurocents cheaper.

Paul Burke

Frank Bemelman · May 20, 2004

"Paul Burke" <paul@scazon.com> schreef in bericht
news:2h38v6F7tojmU1@uni-berlin.de...

Frank Bemelman wrote:

Price of gas in the Netherlands is 1.33 euro per liter. About US$1.56,
at
the current exchange rate of 1.20. In Germany it is 15 cents cheaper (?)
not
sure. A gallon is 3.79 liter, so the price for a gallon is roughly
US$6.04

Now that's interesting. We're always told we are overtaxed on fuel here
in the UK- but at about 83p/l that's 10 eurocentric eurocents cheaper.

Gas price isn't everything. We should also compare road tax, insurance and
the
purchase of the car itself. Not to mention parking costs and fines

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Spehro Pefhany · May 20, 2004

On Thu, 20 May 2004 04:28:26 GMT, the renowned Scott Stephens
<scottxs@comcast.net> wrote:

Maybe if the Chinese and others were more free to be greedy, rather than
feeling constrained to be no happier than their most miserable neighbor,
lest the local communist party member punish them for shaming their
inferiors by their superiority, they would be leading the west.

Whoah! It's not 1975 anymore. You need to revise your ideas about
China. It's not all grey and blue Mao jackets and bicycles anymore.
Gas is at US price levels, leading to rapidly increasing consumption
levels (unlike Europe and Japan where demand is kept artificially low
for such prosperous regions by extremely high taxes both on gasoline
and on other private-transportation-related items). It's been many
years since the late Deng Xiaoping said "it is glorious to be rich".
By putting economic reform ahead of political reform they have the
fastest growing major economy in the world (8-10% sustained annual
growth) instead of the disastrous experience that Russia is only now
beginning to recover from.

Who do you think is helping bid up the prices of oil, nickel, steel
scrap and a lot of other commodities?

Here's an article on steel scrap prices:
http://www.timesargus.com/04/Business/Story/82634.html

They had
the printing press, gunpowder, compass, and other inventions. They were
too oppressed and stagnant to capitalize on them.

*Stagnant*? Like this (sprawling Shanghai)?

http://foulard.ee.cornell.edu/wxu/pictures/shanghai.jpg

or this (also sprawling Shenzhen in the Pearl River Delta)?

http://pancake.as.utexas.edu/feng/Aug98/HK/shenzhen.jpg

(the latter city was a village of 20,000 in 1980, now it is an
industrial city with population maybe double that of Chicago).

FYI economists use terms like "scorching" to describe the economy in
China- believed to be approaching 13% growth last year. It's
accounting for 1/3+ the total growth in the world, and is WAY too fast
for comfort- putting the brakes on it for a "soft landing" without
driving the world into recession is more the current concern.

They now have a middle class, mostly in the coastal cities, that is
now, while a small percentage, in the same order of magnitude as the
entire US population. They have such a long way to go to match Europe,
Japan and the US that sustained growth levels can continue for a long
time (probably a couple more generations).

So who is being stupid?

Humans that measure themselves against their neighbor, rather than their
potential.

I hope gas hits $8 a gallon soon. That would get a lot of ugly metal
off the road.

If it does, your poor pathetic peasants will be feeding maggots before
us fat, greedy Americans run out of TV dinners and Michael Jackson CD's.

Americans can easily afford $4/gallon. At $8/gallon many people would
probably choose to buy more efficient cars, but the good life will go
on, with little change. There's little oil in a MJ CD and even less in
a TV dinner (I hope), if that's really what you consider the good
life. 8-(

Gas is still incredibly cheap. I can still buy 2 liters of irrelacable
energy-filled refined gasoline at retail for less than 2 liters of
infinitely replacable sugared-tap-water (Coca-Cola). Who's being
stupid there?

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2668015
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world_business/view/83794/1/.html
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-05/20/content_1481329.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3412069.stm

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Spehro Pefhany · May 20, 2004

On Thu, 20 May 2004 12:12:49 +0100, the renowned Paul Burke
<paul@scazon.com> wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote:

Gas price isn't everything. We should also compare road tax, insurance and
the
purchase of the car itself. Not to mention parking costs and fines

OK, about 240 Euros tax, about the same for insurance,

Only EUR 240 for (liability? collision?) insurance? Is that per year
or per month? That's REALLY cheap, even for a good driver and an old
conservative car.

the car (2nd hand
Saab) was about 8000. Parking 1 Euro for 2 hrs locally when I use a pay
car park.

That's cheap too. Street parking in Toronto is the equivalent of about
1 EUR per hour (if you can find it), and car parks run as high as EUR
20 for a few hours (with no maximum). But smaller places have cheaper
parking, like ~EUR0.03 for 6 minutes by my local post office.

Fines? Don't know. Speed cameras are a tax on stupidity, which
I'm all for, as it's an unlimited resource.

Eventually people make mistakes and get tickets if they drive
downtown, you start to think of it as another tax. More than once a
tourist has asked me (overwhelmed) whether it's okay to park or not.
The general rule is that if there is a space, it's probably *not*
okay. ;-)

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/transportation/parking/images/parking_sign_123.jpg

(and on side streets there are even/odd days of the month where legal
parking switches sides, differing times where parking permits are
required and so on).

Paul Burke

Italy is one of the most expensive countries that I've driven in (I do
try to avoid driving outside North America). Not only are the gas
prices very high, but tolls are almost as much per km. The Mont Blanc
tunnel (about US$40 one way) costs triple the cost of using the entire
~450 miles of NY Thruway. Other costs are quite moderate in Italy.

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Bill Bailley · May 20, 2004

I hope gas hits $8 a gallon soon. That would get a lot of ugly metal
off the road.

John

My very words.
Those beautiful shiny SUV carcases will fetch big money as scrap from China.

The future ?
Plywood cars and ceramic engines. Methanol fuel and vegetable oils for lube.

Bring it on.

Bill.

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