OT: American flyers bomb their allies AGAIN !

[MooseFET]

On Aug 25, 8:58 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Don Bowey wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote:
Don Bowey wrote:

Don't you think the State Department has been given insight about him? I
don't think he could get into the country.

You'd want to exclude someone simply for not agreeing with the Republican
agenda ?

You are quite the defective liar. You can't change your stripes or history,
that easily you viciously anti-American POS.

Dubya did it.

The wars you've started have been a total disaster for everyone involved yet
your ridiculous nationalism won't let you see this.

Only a small minority in the US don't see Iraq as a disaster. Those
that wanted the war see it as hugely bungled. Those that opposed
because they knew about things like the sunni vs shia now get to say
"I told you so". Those that opposed it on a purely moral basis, also
get an "I told you so".

The real problem is: Now that we have this mess what do we do about
it. There are no good options but perhaps we can find a less bad one.

At this point, I think the best thing for the US to do is to say "We
are going to divide the country up by force of arms and force the
sunnis and shia to kill each other and attack the kurds. We are going
to do everything in our power to prevent any sort of arrangement among
the parties and will ensure that the people in the area will kill each
other for generations". I figure as soon as they saw this on CNN,
they would all agree with each other just to spite the US.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:40:15 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:07:59 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
anyone@nospam.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I don't why it is that this crap must continue.

EVERYONE should simply SHUN donkey-ass and we will never be bothered
again.

I hear that. I've been trying to ignore the trolls for the most part as
there's simply no point in arguing with them. My 3 year old daughter has
more demonstrable intelligence AND self-control than the entire lot of them.
To get back on the topic of asses, with Eyesore's hate rants I can sorta see
why the UK needs such extreme levels of public surveilance and gun control.

---
Hear hear!

I've also been trying to keep from responding to the trolls, (as you
might have deduced from my more-or-less recent absence from the
political cesspool) but I'm constantly reminded of Edmund Burke's:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing.",

Thomas Paines': "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom
must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.", and

Thomas Jefferson's: "The price for freedom is eternal vigilance."

Consequently, I've decided that this Graham Stevenson garbage bears
watching and that, (for me, at any rate) his misinformation and
agenda need to be continuously challenged.

Hear, hear! Thee, there...

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:44:04 -0400, "Radiosrfun"
<Radiosrfun@radiosrfun.com> wrote:

"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:46D170B4.7010107@nospam.com...


Eeyore wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:


When will US airmen ever stop shooting up the Brits, Canadians, and
other allies
?

Why are we even fighting your stupid wars for you ?

" Three British soldiers have been killed in a 'friendly fire' tragedy
in
Afghanistan by an American airman.

A U.S. Air Force jet dropped a 500lb bomb on the soldiers' position as
they
battled Taliban insurgents.

A pair of F-15 warplanes had been called in to help when 60 British
soldiers
were ambushed by Taliban fighters and found themselves fighting for
their lives.

An inquiry was under way last night into what went so disastrously
wrong, and
led to the latest in a string of socalled 'blue-on-blue' incidents
involving
American forces. "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=477478&in_page_id=1811

Last time it happened, the Pentagon even tried to suppress evidence.


Are you such a moron you think the pilot eyeballs the bomb release?


You mean target by eye ? I believe that's often what they do in fact.
Your lot killed a load of refugees in
Kosovo that way too.



It is obviously a case of the British calling in the wrong coordinates.
They're supposed to call in the enemy position and not their own. If it
was a case of mistaken identity all 60 British troops would have been
cremated.


I don't see there's anything obvious about it at all. In any case, ground
warfare isn't static. The pilot
should visually confirm the target.

Graham



That may not be possible. The Taliban are not stupid, sometimes the ambush
is just a ruse to lure close air support which is their real target, they
have SAMs. The terrain in that place is very bad, it naturally channels
the combat patrols onto fixed routes in many areas, a perfect setup for an
ambush. The only way to avoid them is to reconnoiter the route beforehand
with aircraft, gunships, or RPVs, and then engage the enemy with an air
attack. The incident occurred because of bad planning on the part of the
British, they called in a bad bombing coordinate, and/or they were not
aware of the positions of all their troops. In any case it was most likely
their own fault.


It is obvious - he's clueless about "Ground" issues when dealing from the
air. When a "Medical" Helicopter is called in - we have to give them ALL
pertinent information. Power lines/poles, fences, etc... They can "not" see
them from the air. They circle over to get "their" view of the situation -
but "still" rely on us to guide them in. IF the pilot for "any" reason feels
it is unsafe to land - they will not. One situation about a month ago - it
was foggy. They flew - because where they took off from - it was clear - our
area was foggy. We could see them hovering overhead - gave them the
description of the landing zone. Even with our Engines emergency beacons on
and so on to form a circle for them - the pilot couldn't see "us". He
couldn't see "anything" - was his description on the radio. He aborted. Our
choppers have pre-set LZ settings to fly to - but they do not have any way
to know - if any changes were made since their last trip there and will
"not" place themselves, their crew, ship or anyone else in a situation. We
also have to call them on the radio to let them know we hear/see them - and
at what position to us - (1 o'clock, etc) so they know they do in fact have
the "proper" lz setting - to double check all information. Then too - on an
occasion, they've been called out to "an" LZ - only to have it changed while
hovering over. We keep in constant contact with them once they're in radio
contact range. Otherwise, they go through our 911 system for contact - to be
relayed. These pilots are pretty decent - they can land most anywhere - but
again - won't place themselves or others in danger. I've flown in aircraft,
been trained in chopper landings for "our" needs and a "Flight Nurse" also
runs with our Engine Company - so I have pretty good information on how
"accurate" ground coordinates "must" be. Ground contact and coordinates are
"critical". The pilots can't possibly spot enemy forces <or> "Friendly"
forces on the ground at those altitudes. Somehow - I don't see those
"bombers" swooping low enough to pick out uniforms - which would be
disasterous enough - especially in Mountainous terrain - and given they know
there may be some SAMS waiting for them.

Radio transmissions "could" be garbled too - leading to the errors......
Under stress - information can get crossed - confused. I can't think of too
many stressful situations aside from a war - being fired at. There are many
factors we doing the armchair quarterbacking - aren't aware of - in
particular <there>; but having had / have experiences we do - know what is
is about and how it can work or fail. We don't know the "actual" conditions,
terrain, how they're feeling, thinking, reacting. We don't know - what they
"called" in - as opposed to being "heard". But for someone to "ASSUME" that
an aircraft pilot can make out the difference in people on the ground -
guess again.

Face it, folks...The DonkTard is an absolute idiot.

 

[Radiosrfun]

"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
news:fnhAi.14$cX6.8@newsfe02.lga...

Eeyore wrote:


Jamie wrote:


Eeyore wrote:

Radiosrfun wrote:


It isn't like some of our own - haven't been killed by "Friendly"
fire.............


How many of your own in Afghanistan have you killed recently ?

Funnily enough, the RAF don't bomb British troops.

LOL! Bull Shit!


Fact.



They just don't have the balls to tell you about it.
Easier to blame some one else, isn't it Boy!


How about some evidence for your claim ?

Graham

Evidence?, You have all you need. Your not perfect just like
your troops out in the field. And if you really think that
the public is fully informed in accurate details of what happens on
either side! then you're more screwed up than I ever thought.

Did you ever think that maybe your troops decided to take a
calculated risk in performing their duties? From what I understand,
their coordinates given saved the majority. So maybe it was a decision
made from those in charge of that group on your side?

Either way, I think you should get your head out of your ass and think
about the number of your troops working along with ours doing what I think
is a great job..
One day, you may thank us for the close relationship yours and our
troops have currently. Your future may depend on us once again!

Just think about that pecker head.




--
"I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

Uh - Jamie - "he" would - if he could - but he can't. The only thing
justified in his actions - was his choice of the term which is associated
with a "donkey".

I agree - ALL of the troops - the Brits, Americans and whoever else is/was
there - are/were doing a fine job. I lost count along the way with who's
in - who's out. I thought there were some Jap troops as well as some others
too. I am not trying to disregard them in any way - they all should be
commended.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:35:29 -0400, "Radiosrfun"
<Radiosrfun@radiosrfun.com> wrote:

"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
news:fnhAi.14$cX6.8@newsfe02.lga...
Eeyore wrote:


Jamie wrote:


Eeyore wrote:

Radiosrfun wrote:


It isn't like some of our own - haven't been killed by "Friendly"
fire.............


How many of your own in Afghanistan have you killed recently ?

Funnily enough, the RAF don't bomb British troops.

LOL! Bull Shit!


Fact.



They just don't have the balls to tell you about it.
Easier to blame some one else, isn't it Boy!


How about some evidence for your claim ?

Graham

Evidence?, You have all you need. Your not perfect just like
your troops out in the field. And if you really think that
the public is fully informed in accurate details of what happens on
either side! then you're more screwed up than I ever thought.

Did you ever think that maybe your troops decided to take a
calculated risk in performing their duties? From what I understand,
their coordinates given saved the majority. So maybe it was a decision
made from those in charge of that group on your side?

Either way, I think you should get your head out of your ass and think
about the number of your troops working along with ours doing what I think
is a great job..
One day, you may thank us for the close relationship yours and our
troops have currently. Your future may depend on us once again!

Just think about that pecker head.




--
"I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5


Uh - Jamie - "he" would - if he could - but he can't. The only thing
justified in his actions - was his choice of the term which is associated
with a "donkey".

I agree - ALL of the troops - the Brits, Americans and whoever else is/was
there - are/were doing a fine job. I lost count along the way with who's
in - who's out. I thought there were some Jap troops as well as some others
too. I am not trying to disregard them in any way - they all should be
commended.


Absolutely.

All you motherfuckers may think I am an asshole, but at least I know
that much.

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:56:13 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Radiosrfun wrote:

If we hadn't fought "Their" war for them

Germany declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor. There is no 'their war'
about it.

---
Bullshit. It was a war in Europe started by Europeans.
---

FYI, the Germans were working on long range bombers to bomb the USA and did
indeed make several that allegedly did the job.

---
I don't recall reading about German bombs raining down on the US.
Got a link?

You'd be crazy to imagine it wasn't on their list of things to do. They were
after all working on advanced rocketry.

---
Having a wish list isn't quite the same thing as a fait accompli, is
it?

After all, you guys tried head in the sand appeasement, assuming
that Hitler would leave you alone, why? Because you were _English_,
thought you deserved to be honored for that alone, and your letting
him swallow up the rest of Europe unencumbered would keep you safe?

Didn't work, did it?

Again, dumb ass, since you said they: "did indeed make several that
allegedly did the job.", I ask you again: "Where on the US did those
bombs fall?"


--
JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:00:18 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Don Bowey wrote:

Don't you think the State Department has been given insight about him? I
don't think he could get into the country.

You'd want to exclude someone simply for not agreeing with the Republican agenda ?

---
Not me.

I'd want to exclude someone because of their professed belief that
the best Americans are dead Americans.


--
JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:21:21 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I don't why it is that this crap must continue.

Because the USA is a danger to the world.


EVERYONE should simply SHUN donkey-ass and we will never be bothered
again.

Like you're anyone to talk.

---
Yes, he is.

Several generations of his progeny functioning successfully in the
world, many patents to his credit, and still successfully doing IC
design despite his advanced age.

And you? Still learning how to fix other people's shit?


--
JF

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:11:04 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:00:18 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Don Bowey wrote:

Don't you think the State Department has been given insight about him? I
don't think he could get into the country.

You'd want to exclude someone simply for not agreeing with the Republican agenda ?

---
Not me.

I'd want to exclude someone because of their professed belief that
the best Americans are dead Americans.

I'd want to exclude such a person from the privilege to breath.
>

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:20:39 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:21:21 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:

I don't why it is that this crap must continue.

Because the USA is a danger to the world.


EVERYONE should simply SHUN donkey-ass and we will never be bothered
again.

Like you're anyone to talk.

---
Yes, he is.

Several generations of his progeny functioning successfully in the
world, many patents to his credit, and still successfully doing IC
design despite his advanced age.

And you? Still learning how to fix other people's shit?

"...despite his advanced age" ?

...Jim Thompson
--
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[John Fields]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:36:29 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

I wasn't talking about WW2. For starters the same electronic aids didn't exist. The
USA had a high 'friendly fire' score in WW2 too btw.

The RAF is trained to be far more 'careful' with dropping bombs than the USAF. They
don't appreciate the cowboy attitude.

---
"Cowboy attitude?" I guess you've never heard of the Norden
bombsight, a device used to minimize collateral damage during WW2
and up to and including the Viet Nam conflict.

What did _you_ have other than your bombardiers' Kentucky windage to
determine where the bombs would fall and kill thousands of
innocents?


--
JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:39:08 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:

It is obviously a case of the British calling in the wrong coordinates.
They're supposed to call in the enemy position and not their own. If it
was a case of mistaken identity all 60 British troops would have been
cremated.

I don't see there's anything obvious about it at all. In any case, ground warfare isn't static. The pilot
should visually confirm the target.

---
So says Graham Stevenson, the multiply decorated war veteran who won
the...


--
JF

 

[Don Bowey]

On 8/26/07 3:21 PM, in article 92v3d3de1ls7v09ukqqqcb2k44fmc4b5ao@4ax.com,
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:39:08 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Fred Bloggs wrote:

It is obviously a case of the British calling in the wrong coordinates.
They're supposed to call in the enemy position and not their own. If it
was a case of mistaken identity all 60 British troops would have been
cremated.

I don't see there's anything obvious about it at all. In any case, ground
warfare isn't static. The pilot
should visually confirm the target.

---
So says Graham Stevenson, the multiply decorated war veteran who won
the...

Stevenson? Drat! I may have told State that his last name was Jackass.

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:53:24 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

I don't why it is that this crap must continue.

Because the USA is a danger to the world.

You're a goddamned idiot, you fucking terrorist motherfucker.

Americans are the ones responsible for terrorism in that region. It simply
didn't exist before you lot got involved.

---
Wrong.

The cancer was there and was spreading, surreptitiously, with pain
being dealt out only to the complainants.

Sort of like the cancer of the UK trying to engulf the US in the
early days.


--
JF

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

After all, you guys tried head in the sand appeasement, assuming
that Hitler would leave you alone, why?

Why ?

Firstly it wasn't 'head in the sand'. Britain was already building up its military
at the time of the 'Munich Agreement'. Britain didn't have the world's first
integrated air defence network by the time of the battle of Britain by accident you
know ! Work started on it in 1935. And how do you think we had (just) enough
Hurricanes and Spitfires in time ?

Secondly, what exactly do you think we alone could have done about Hitler's plans
for (notably) Czechoslovakia ? It's not as if we even had a land border with
Germany.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

FYI, the Germans were working on long range bombers to bomb the USA and did
indeed make several that allegedly did the job.

Again, dumb ass, since you said they: "did indeed make several that
allegedly did the job."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber

" Requests for designs were made to the major German aircraft manufacturers early
in World War II, long before the US had entered the war.

it was the Ju 390 that was selected for production. Only two prototypes were
constructed "

I ask you again: "Where on the US did those bombs fall?"

Deliberately misinterpreting my words is fairly typical of you.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

I wasn't talking about WW2. For starters the same electronic aids didn't exist. The
USA had a high 'friendly fire' score in WW2 too btw.

The RAF is trained to be far more 'careful' with dropping bombs than the USAF. They
don't appreciate the cowboy attitude.

---
"Cowboy attitude?" I guess you've never heard of the Norden
bombsight, a device used to minimize collateral damage during WW2
and up to and including the Viet Nam conflict.

It bloody well didn't work under real world conditions ! The USAF had to adopt RAF
tactics that were the result of working with the limitations of the equipment of the
day. Mind you, the RAF did later improve matters hugely with radio navaids like Gee Oboe
and H2S plus the use of the Pathfinders to mark targets.

You really are quite clueless. Norden bomb sight ? It was a piece of expensive junk.
LMAO !

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

I don't why it is that this crap must continue.

Because the USA is a danger to the world.

You're a goddamned idiot, you fucking terrorist motherfucker.

Americans are the ones responsible for terrorism in that region. It simply
didn't exist before you lot got involved.

---
Wrong.

The cancer was there and was spreading,

What evidence is there of terrorism in Iraq prior to US involvement in the area
? Simply NONE.

Graham

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:47:22 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

I don't why it is that this crap must continue.

Because the USA is a danger to the world.

You're a goddamned idiot, you fucking terrorist motherfucker.

Americans are the ones responsible for terrorism in that region. It simply
didn't exist before you lot got involved.

---
Wrong.

The cancer was there and was spreading,

What evidence is there of terrorism in Iraq prior to US involvement in the area
? Simply NONE.

Graham

There isn't any now either. There is Iranian insurgents hellbent on
making the country easy to take over. If you only had a brain...

 

[David Brown]

ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:11:04 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:00:18 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


Don Bowey wrote:

Don't you think the State Department has been given insight about him? I
don't think he could get into the country.
You'd want to exclude someone simply for not agreeing with the Republican agenda ?
---
Not me.

I'd want to exclude someone because of their professed belief that
the best Americans are dead Americans.


I'd want to exclude such a person from the privilege to breath.

So you guys are not into this "freedom of speech" thing, or "I
disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it" freedom and tolerance? Just because Eeyore is rude, abusive and
intolerant, to the extent that any sensible points he makes are drowned
in the noise, does not mean that your arguments are any better than
childish pouting.