On-off switch

[Daniel James]

In article news:<Xns9953610FDCF07zoodlewurdle@140.99.99.130>,
Lostgallifreyan wrote:

I only see one post from him, the first one:

Jim <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1:

See the thread entitled "Caller Display machine which can transfer data to
PC" (posted to alt.consumers.uk-discounts.and.bargains, uk.telecom, and
uk.comp.homebuilt) starting with message <Xns9951A006B3805D4AM2@127.0.0.1>

[uk.comp.homebuilt restored to newsgroup list because it's the only one
listed that I read]

Cheers,
Daniel.

 

[Jim]

On 17 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:

"Lemmo" <le@mo.com> wrote in message
news:9952940491BD9D5E712@127.0.0.1...
On 17 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1...
I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of
contacts on/off when my landline phone was being used.
snip
What would you use this for?

At the moment I can only think of the obvious application:
bugging other peoples conversations, something I'd not be happy
to assist with..



Firstly, your mind is too narrow:

(1) The desklight in the study would switch on and I could then
use a notepad.

(2) A strobe/flash is triggered so those who can not hear the
phone above a loud stereo can tell it has run.

(3) etc

Very heath-robinson.

Well I do wonder what the OP is up to since they don't say..

Secondly, your mind is poorly uninformed:

"Recording and monitoring telephone calls" (Oftel/Ofcom)
http://tinyurl.com/9en95

I have a phone line, but I doubt the other house occupants would be
pleased if I rigged up some kind of device to start recording in my
absence.

Good job my circumstances are not like yours then!

Of course, we have no idea what the OP wants to do, but I
can certainly imagine uses that are unsavoury (I'm not suggesting
that is the case).

What unsavory uses are there?

I have shown you a link which says that your first unjustified
allegation which you call "bugging other peoples conversations" is
actually legal in the UK and seems to be a misunderstanding of the law
on your part.

I have shown you other uses.

Yet other uses include switching a device by tripping only the ringer
(and not having to make a paid call) by calling from a mobile.

I wouldn't help anyone along with such a device without knowing the
end-use, but clearly that's just me. It also seems sensible to
mention the actual usage since there may be a ready
made/alternative solution besides jury rigging the phone line.

It seems you slur my integrity by making endless innuendos about an
application of which you have no idea.

Others posters here may be a better role model for you. They do not
adopt an unnecessary and incorrect moralistic tone and are less
controlling in that they readily provide information without requiring
unnecessary conditions designed only to satisfy a somewhat paranoid
outlook.

You have said you won't help so what is the point of your posting?
Perhaps you are trying to dissuade people who clearly do not share your
attitude from posting?

In the end the purpose of your posts seem to be either to slur my
intention and/or limit the information I may get.

 

[Jim]

On 17 Jun 2007, mc <look@www.ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

What would you use this for?

At the moment I can only think of the obvious application: bugging
other peoples conversations, something I'd not be happy to assist
with..

Good point, but he doesn't have to ask us for technical help for
that -- there are commercial gadgets available. At one time Radio
Shack sold one (in the USA).

I am the OP. Just to clarify ....

There are several ready-built gadgets available on the high street
here in the UK to record a phone conversation. They cost little and
provide an audio feed from a jack plug which can go straight into a
basic voice-activated recorder. Simple. Cheap.

So if I actually wanted to record a phone line I would use something
like that. Perfectly legal too.


However I have asked about something different. I want to switch an
electrical device on when the landline is in use. My question is how
to attach to the landline. Something non-invasive is better and I
suggested a magnetic switch. If it has to be a plug-in device then
that's ok although it limits the location of the point of attachment
to only where the sockets are.

 

[Jim]

On 17 Jun 2007, Beachcomber <invalid@notreal.none> wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:54:36 -0400, "mc"
look@www.ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

There are 2 basic approaches.

One is to sense current flowing through the line.

The other, probably easier, is to sense the voltage across it.
This will be well above 30 volts when the line is not in use, well
below that when it is in use.

Your sensing circuit needs a very high input impedance (like 10 or
20 megohms) to avoid putting a measurable load on the line.



If you want to save time doing the research, Viking Electronics
appears to have an off-the-shelf solution.

http://www.vikingelectronics.com/products/view_product.php?pid=169

Relay provides contact closure on ring as well as loop.

Nice product. Unfortunately I am in the UK and this is sold in the US.

 

[Jim]

On 18 Jun 2007, John G <Greentest@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1...
I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts
on/off when my landline phone was being used.

Am thinking of something like this. There might be a simple reed
switch (do such things still exist) which would close its contacts
if there was a current on the phone line.

Perhaps I might need to improve the situation and wind the
landline (or maybe just one of the two wires) around the reed
switch.

Would something like this work?

Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver
which closes its contacts when the phone line is active?



There are about 1200 entries in Google about "Off Hook indicator"
for telephones.

All of which are most likely illegal in some jurisdictions. -- John
G.

<ost of those Google entries for "off-hook indicator" ssem to refer
to an indicator light on a phone. Presumably they are not the
illegal items you are thinking of?

However, in my case I would like to access a pair of switch contacts
when the line is in use.

 

[John G]

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns995373B4090565D4AM2@127.0.0.1...

On 18 Jun 2007, John G <Greentest@ozemail.com.au> wrote:


"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1...
I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts
on/off when my landline phone was being used.

Am thinking of something like this. There might be a simple reed
switch (do such things still exist) which would close its contacts
if there was a current on the phone line.

Perhaps I might need to improve the situation and wind the
landline (or maybe just one of the two wires) around the reed
switch.

Would something like this work?

Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver
which closes its contacts when the phone line is active?



There are about 1200 entries in Google about "Off Hook indicator"
for telephones.

All of which are most likely illegal in some jurisdictions. -- John
G.

ost of those Google entries for "off-hook indicator" ssem to refer
to an indicator light on a phone. Presumably they are not the
illegal items you are thinking of?

However, in my case I would like to access a pair of switch contacts
when the line is in use.

It is often illegal to attach things to a telephone line but then that
is also often ignored.

The indicator circuits should be easily adapted to drive a relay instead
of a light.
The tricky (for a beginner) part is to detect the drop in line voltage
when the line goes OFF Hook.
--
John G.

 

[On Web]

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns995370AC0BB025D4AM2@127.0.0.1...

On 17 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:


"Lemmo" <le@mo.com> wrote in message
news:9952940491BD9D5E712@127.0.0.1...
On 17 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1...
I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of
contacts on/off when my landline phone was being used.
snip
What would you use this for?

At the moment I can only think of the obvious application:
bugging other peoples conversations, something I'd not be happy
to assist with..



Firstly, your mind is too narrow:

(1) The desklight in the study would switch on and I could then
use a notepad.

You sit in the dark waiting for phone calls?

(2) A strobe/flash is triggered so those who can not hear the
phone above a loud stereo can tell it has run.

I suspect there are already purpose-built devices that can do the same.

(3) etc

Very heath-robinson.

Well I do wonder what the OP is up to since they don't say..

Secondly, your mind is poorly uninformed:

"Recording and monitoring telephone calls" (Oftel/Ofcom)
http://tinyurl.com/9en95

I have a phone line, but I doubt the other house occupants would be
pleased if I rigged up some kind of device to start recording in my
absence.

Good job my circumstances are not like yours then!

Of course, we have no idea what the OP wants to do, but I
can certainly imagine uses that are unsavoury (I'm not suggesting
that is the case).

What unsavory uses are there?

I have shown you a link which says that your first unjustified
allegation which you call "bugging other peoples conversations" is
actually legal in the UK and seems to be a misunderstanding of the law
on your part.

I haven't alleged that you are pursuing any particular application for this,
though it may be related to your quest to capture callers numbers as per
your other thread.

Are you referring to the post by "Lemmo?" in which case how would I know
that Lemmo == Jim?
Otherwise, this is the only reply by "Jim" that I've seen.

I'm actually not interested in the law (though I've always understood that
all parties should be aware that a recording is being made, unless you
belong to the security forces).

I have shown you other uses.

Well, you didn't identify yourself as the OP, nor have you said they are the
actual application.

Yet other uses include switching a device by tripping only the ringer
(and not having to make a paid call) by calling from a mobile.


I wouldn't help anyone along with such a device without knowing the
end-use, but clearly that's just me. It also seems sensible to
mention the actual usage since there may be a ready
made/alternative solution besides jury rigging the phone line.


It seems you slur my integrity by making endless innuendos about an
application of which you have no idea.

Well that was exactly my point. What is it that you are planning to do with
this device?
I haven't said you are trying to pursue some unsavoury application of the
technology, I have just expressed an opinion that such applications exist
and I wouldn't assist this quest for information without knowing the actual
application.

Others posters here may be a better role model for you. They do not
adopt an unnecessary and incorrect moralistic tone and are less
controlling in that they readily provide information without requiring
unnecessary conditions designed only to satisfy a somewhat paranoid
outlook.

Quite honestly I can't imagine any of my friends or associates having a need
for such a device and I would be concerned about them if they did ask me. I
have no doubt that there are legitimate and benevolent uses for such a
device, just as there are malevolent uses. It's the first time I've been
described as having a paranoid outlook, somewhat ironical perhaps given your
quest in another to log peoples phone numbers?

If I were a landlord, I might use such technology to spy on my tenants,
If I were an employee I might use such technology to spy on the company
If I were a jealous husband I might spy on my wife

Those are three applications I wouldn't wish to help anyone with. As for
others who have been helpful, I don't consider that a good role model
considering the possible repurcussions to others if this technology were
misused.

I still have little idea why you want this technology and again I personally
wouldn't help anyone construct such stuff without knowing more about the
application (which from your other post may be logging callers numbers)..

You have said you won't help so what is the point of your posting?
Perhaps you are trying to dissuade people who clearly do not share your
attitude from posting?

In the end the purpose of your posts seem to be either to slur my
intention and/or limit the information I may get.

You can clearly state your intention, I just hope that people will consider
what they are helping someone to do. If you weren't so coy about this I
wouldn't have posted.

It may well be that given the exact application you had in mind people might
have been able to suggest a more targeted solution.

What is it you are trying to do?

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

Daniel James <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote in
news:VA.00001104.2ecef544@nospam.aaisp.org:

In article news:<Xns9953610FDCF07zoodlewurdle@140.99.99.130>,
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
I only see one post from him, the first one:

Jim <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1:

See the thread entitled "Caller Display machine which can transfer
data to PC" (posted to alt.consumers.uk-discounts.and.bargains,
uk.telecom, and uk.comp.homebuilt) starting with message
Xns9951A006B3805D4AM2@127.0.0.1

[uk.comp.homebuilt restored to newsgroup list because it's the only
one listed that I read]

Cheers,
Daniel.

Thanks. I saw this thread only in sci.electronics.components, and didn't
see the other.

I've wondered about that, but again, I guess the context is what matters.
Recording for private personal or business use is probably lawful so long
as it's not passed to third parties with or without gain to the person
giving up the records, except in individual instances where the owner of
the number gives consent. I don't know much detail of the law, but I know
all kinds of data gets passed around, probably by people who don't know
they shouldn't. I've seen my own details come from major charites which
have formal royal backing, details which have unique errors in them made by
other firms who had no right to pass those details. Whether those aquiring
those illegal databases know they are illegal, I have no idea. As identity
theft becomes more serious a problem, it is likely that people will take
more care to isolate and protect their databases, because the bigger they
are, the more likely it is that such record errors can enable the history
of an entire database to be tracked.

Just a small ramble to think about, when collecting this kind of data.

 

[On Web]

"Lostgallifreyan" <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9953610FDCF07zoodlewurdle@140.99.99.130...

"On Web" <a@b.com> wrote in
news:j3fdi.5003$tj3.2717@newsfe7-win.ntli.net:

Jim is also trying to capture the phone numbers of people calling the
line, so maybe that's the application..


I only see one post from him, the first one:

Jim <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1:

I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts on/off
when my landline phone was being used.

Am thinking of something like this. There might be a simple reed switch
(do such things still exist) which would close its contacts if there was
a current on the phone line.

Perhaps I might need to improve the situation and wind the landline (or
maybe just one of the two wires) around the reed switch.

Would something like this work?

Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver which
closes its contacts when the phone line is active?


There is no claim of any attempt to capture callers' numbers there.

No, but see the other thread by Jim.

Regarding issues of recording, deriving switch signals, this is legal in
the UK, you just have to watch how the law applies in specific instances.

There are plenty of legal things I don't think people should do and there
are plenty of illegal things people do regardless of the law.

You talk of 'jury rigging' a phone line, which is as loaded a phrase as I
ever heard, it implies some kind of illicit activity. Any real jury knows
that a person is guilty until proven innocent.

You have the intended context wrong. I was thinking in terms of jury rigging
equipment - adapting/customising it if you wish, certainly not a use of the
word jury in a legal sense.

If you want to be cautious, just point the OP to a page that discusses the
regulations governing user connections to the user side of the master
socket wiring, and the laws governing lawful making and use of
recordings. The rest you must leave to their discretion, you can't police
their morality.

Well clearly I can't police people morality, neither do I or anyone else
have to aid people either.

The easiest course is to look at what is commercially available in a shop.
If it's on open sale, it is safe to assume that discussing its function is
not only legal, but wise, and it might be cheaper to make than to buy.
Doubtful though, unless you buy from Maplin or other shop that charges
around twice what many shops accept as reasonable.

The commercial availability of things has no bearing on their final
application.

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

"On Web" <a@b.com> wrote in news:Kntdi.1163$3j1.77@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net:

I'm actually not interested in the law (though I've always understood
that all parties should be aware that a recording is being made,
unless you belong to the security forces).

You can record for your own private use, without giving notice. This is
equivalent to having an excellent memory or taking detailed private notes,
which also is not a crime.

Anything involving third parties is usually a matter of consent by both
people in conversation, or of officially warranted interception.

Consent can be tacit, in that if an employer records phone calls for
business purposes, they cannot be found guilty if an employee decides to
complain at the recording of a private call they decided to make out of
their employer's phone system, unless they can demonstrate that they had no
grounds to beleive a recording was being made.

This is based on what I know of UK law. Beyond that it gets too subtle for
me.

 

[On Web]

"Lostgallifreyan" <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9953610FDCF07zoodlewurdle@140.99.99.130...
"On Web" <a@b.com> wrote in
news:j3fdi.5003$tj3.2717@newsfe7-win.ntli.net:

Jim is also trying to capture the phone numbers of people calling the
line, so maybe that's the application..


I only see one post from him, the first one:

Jim <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1:

I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts on/off
when my landline phone was being used.

Am thinking of something like this. There might be a simple reed switch
(do such things still exist) which would close its contacts if there was
a current on the phone line.

Perhaps I might need to improve the situation and wind the landline (or
maybe just one of the two wires) around the reed switch.

Would something like this work?

Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver which
closes its contacts when the phone line is active?


There is no claim of any attempt to capture callers' numbers there.

No, but see the other thread by Jim.

Regarding issues of recording, deriving switch signals, this is legal in
the UK, you just have to watch how the law applies in specific instances.

There are plenty of legal things I don't think people should do and there
are plenty of illegal things people do regardless of the law.

You talk of 'jury rigging' a phone line, which is as loaded a phrase as I
ever heard, it implies some kind of illicit activity. Any real jury knows
that a person is guilty until proven innocent.

You have the intended context wrong. I was thinking in terms of jury rigging
equipment - adapting/customising it if you wish, certainly not a use of the
word jury in a legal sense.

If you want to be cautious, just point the OP to a page that discusses
the
regulations governing user connections to the user side of the master
socket wiring, and the laws governing lawful making and use of
recordings. The rest you must leave to their discretion, you can't police
their morality.

Well clearly I can't police people morality, neither do I or anyone else
have to aid people either.

The easiest course is to look at what is commercially available in a
shop.
If it's on open sale, it is safe to assume that discussing its function
is
not only legal, but wise, and it might be cheaper to make than to buy.
Doubtful though, unless you buy from Maplin or other shop that charges
around twice what many shops accept as reasonable.

The commercial availability of things has no bearing on their final
application.

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

"On Web" <a@b.com> wrote in news:VAtdi.1168$3j1.22@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net:

There are plenty of legal things I don't think people should do and
there are plenty of illegal things people do regardless of the law.

You talk of 'jury rigging' a phone line, which is as loaded a phrase
as I ever heard, it implies some kind of illicit activity. Any real
jury knows that a person is guilty until proven innocent.

You have the intended context wrong. I was thinking in terms of jury
rigging equipment - adapting/customising it if you wish, certainly not
a use of the word jury in a legal sense.

Sure. I was just pointing out what appeared to be a kind of moralising
Freudian slip. You still keep to that line of morality, but the fact is if
you were talking that line to policemen, they'd tell you that they don't
care, and if you persisted they'd remind you that you'd be wasting police
time. Their concern is the law.

Well clearly I can't police people morality, neither do I or anyone
else have to aid people either.

You could just refrain from posting. That's by far the easiest way. By
opening up the issue of why you don't want to help, you've made statements
that people can challenge. Probably a good thing actually.

The easiest course is to look at what is commercially available in a
shop. If it's on open sale, it is safe to assume that discussing its
function is not only legal, but wise, and it might be cheaper to make
than to buy. Doubtful though, unless you buy from Maplin or other
shop that charges around twice what many shops accept as reasonable.

The commercial availability of things has no bearing on their final
application.

Yes it does. There is a legal point of intended purpose. Sure, there is
sucgh a thing as ABuse, but we're talking about use.

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

"John G" <Greentest@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
news:467661de$0$22441$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:

It is often illegal to attach things to a telephone line but then that
is also often ignored.

In the UK it is legal, if it is done on the user's side of the master
socket. Terminals are often provided for the user to do exactly this. There
are guidelines to follow though, and the phone company has the last word.
If they take issue with something, it must be removed or changed to a form
they accept.

 

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:41:01 +0100, "Stevie Boy" <zen20140@zen.co.uk>
wrote:

">I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts on/off
when my landline phone was being used.


Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver which
closes its contacts when the phone line is active?

While I'm not to sure what your hoping to achieve but you can buy a priority
(can be called by another name) switch which basically is a 2 outlet
telephone adaptor plug for less than a fiver that isolates the other
connected line when in use. This is achieved from a array of transistors
inside the unit which consumes it's power from the line.
This may be what your looking for.

Steve

same can be done with a single DIAC

 

[Anusol Man]

you are bizarre


"On Web" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:c79di.433$_l6.18@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1...
I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts on/off
when my landline phone was being used.

Am thinking of something like this. There might be a simple reed switch
(do such things still exist) which would close its contacts if there was
a current on the phone line.

Perhaps I might need to improve the situation and wind the landline (or
maybe just one of the two wires) around the reed switch.

Would something like this work?

Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver which
closes its contacts when the phone line is active?

What would you use this for?

At the moment I can only think of the obvious application: bugging other
peoples conversations, something I'd not be happy to assist with..

 

[On Web]

"Anusol Man" <chris@tuftsandwhitton.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1182170576.21218.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...

you are bizarre

Maybe. Good luck with the french batteries.

"On Web" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1...
I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts on/off
when my landline phone was being used.

Am thinking of something like this. There might be a simple reed switch
(do such things still exist) which would close its contacts if there was
a current on the phone line.

Perhaps I might need to improve the situation and wind the landline (or
maybe just one of the two wires) around the reed switch.

Would something like this work?

Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver which
closes its contacts when the phone line is active?

What would you use this for?

At the moment I can only think of the obvious application: bugging other
peoples conversations, something I'd not be happy to assist with..

 

[Jim]

I am the OP. I haven't encountered Mr On Web before but not only are is
remarks bizarre but they contain enough innuendo to make them offensive.


On 18 Jun 2007, Anusol Man <chris@tuftsandwhitton.co.uk> wrote:

you are bizarre

"On Web" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99526A09F520B5D4AM2@127.0.0.1...
I am in the UK.

Can I build a simple device which would switch a pair of contacts
on/off when my landline phone was being used.

Am thinking of something like this. There might be a simple reed
switch (do such things still exist) which would close its
contacts if there was a current on the phone line.

Perhaps I might need to improve the situation and wind the
landline (or maybe just one of the two wires) around the reed
switch.

Would something like this work?

Or can I buy a simple plug-in device for something like a fiver
which closes its contacts when the phone line is active?

What would you use this for?

At the moment I can only think of the obvious application: bugging
other peoples conversations, something I'd not be happy to assist
with..

 

[Jim]

On 18 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message

(1) The desklight in the study would switch on and I could then
use a notepad.

You sit in the dark waiting for phone calls?

This seems far more likely than the bizarre things you suggest.

-- snip --

Secondly, your mind is poorly uninformed:

"Recording and monitoring telephone calls" (Oftel/Ofcom)
http://tinyurl.com/9en95

-- snip --

I'm actually not interested in the law (though I've always
understood that all parties should be aware that a recording is
being made, unless you belong to the security forces).

I have corrected your misunderstanding once already and given you a
link (above) to check up the details. It seems that a sneerer like
you prefer to carry on with the sneering and false innueundos than
read the facts.

Well that was exactly my point. What is it that you are planning to
do with this device?
I haven't said you are trying to pursue some unsavoury application
of the technology, I have just expressed an opinion that such
applications exist and I wouldn't assist this quest for information
without knowing the actual application.

Then do not feel you have to help. As I pointed out, you do not even
have to post if you havenothing of value to add to this thread.

Others posters here may be a better role model for you. They do
not adopt an unnecessary and incorrect moralistic tone and are
less controlling in that they readily provide information without
requiring unnecessary conditions designed only to satisfy a
somewhat paranoid outlook.

Quite honestly I can't imagine any of my friends or associates
having a need for such a device and I would be concerned about them
if they did ask me. I have no doubt that there are legitimate and
benevolent uses for such a device, just as there are malevolent
uses. It's the first time I've been described as having a paranoid
outlook, somewhat ironical perhaps given your quest in another to
log peoples phone numbers?

If I were a landlord, I might use such technology to spy on my
tenants, If I were an employee I might use such technology to spy
on the company If I were a jealous husband I might spy on my wife

Those are three applications I wouldn't wish to help anyone with.
As for others who have been helpful, I don't consider that a good
role model considering the possible repurcussions to others if this
technology were misused.

Even the most innocuous thing can be misused. My bread knife can be
used to kill. Someone can drown in a bathful of water. An electric
bar fire can be used to burn someone. An electric drill can be used
to maim someone. A car tyre & petrol can be used to burn someone to
death.

Despite these horros, we stillmanage to live with these appliances.
I don't get asked stupid questions when I buy a car tyre or run a
bath and it would be better if you didn't ask them either.

There are any number of things which one might want to switch on when
a phone call is being made. It's probably best if you stop being coy
and accustory through adopting that false facade of innocence. "I
only pointed out that it was possible that the OP could electrocute
the cat and also activate the microwave in which his puppy was placed
and then destroy the building by a timed fuse on some explosives and
do all this by remotely calling his phone line and having the call
trip his deadly switch". Get real.

I still have little idea why you want this technology and again I
personally wouldn't help anyone construct such stuff without
knowing more about the application (which from your other post may
be logging callers numbers)..

You have said you won't help so what is the point of your posting?
Perhaps you are trying to dissuade people who clearly do not share
your attitude from posting?

In the end the purpose of your posts seem to be either to slur my
intention and/or limit the information I may get.

You can clearly state your intention, I just hope that people will
consider what they are helping someone to do. If you weren't so coy
about this I wouldn't have posted.

It may well be that given the exact application you had in mind
people might have been able to suggest a more targeted solution.

What is it you are trying to do?

I am setting something up to ensure safety for someone in the
household who is suffering trauma and I do not feel I need to go into
the details.

 

[On Web]

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
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On 18 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:

lots of snips..

What is it you are trying to do?

I am setting something up to ensure safety for someone in the
household who is suffering trauma and I do not feel I need to go into
the details.

Then I wish you luck with it, whatever it is. I can't help but feel that for
whatever your trying to accomplish there's a more direct route to the
solution, and no I don't want to know any more, I'm done with this.

 

[Jim]

On 18 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:

"Jim" <nomail@riomail.com> wrote in message
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On 18 Jun 2007, On Web <a@b.com> wrote:


lots of snips..

What is it you are trying to do?

I am setting something up to ensure safety for someone in the
household who is suffering trauma and I do not feel I need to go
into the details.

Then I wish you luck with it, whatever it is. I can't help but feel
that for whatever your trying to accomplish there's a more direct
route to the solution, and no I don't want to know any more, I'm
done with this.

So after saying that you, oooooh, couldn't possibly help unless you
were able to know more and more of situation (to the point of almost
prying into a third party's distress) you now say you have nothing to
offer?

So why waste everybody's time while you kept needling away at what is
obviously an uncomfortable situation for someone I know. And then
you declare that, "oh well if that's the case, it is too serious or
too delicate" for people like youself to be involved.

Are you some sort of master time waster? Or someone who tries to
create distress?

Perhaps you didn't know anything helpful in the first place? Maybe
you just pretended to gave something to say and just wanted to take
on a very loud and overlbearing moral tone in the hope that people
like myself who have a genuine need to seek info will be intimidated
by your sniping?

Would it be asking too much to either contribute something as asked
in the original post or not to make any further remarks about how
innocent and correct you are.