NY knew they didn't have enough ventilators for a pandemic a

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 4:22:00 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:55:58 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 3:46:27 PM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:41:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:34:48 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
yeah and as he actually said, coronavirus is the new hoax.

looking forward also, to our beautiful easter weekend -- again, as he actually said. -- brilliant.

it would take too long to give more (daily) examples of the moronic statements the fucking idiot has gurgled.

No, Pres Trump NEVER said that. Anybody who believes that is, per Slow Man, a STUPD HALF-WIT.

Fli is actually right about the hoax thing. If you pay careful attention to the exact words Trump used, he didn't exactly say COVID-19 is a hoax, he said the Democrats... well he said the virus... well, he babbled in his usual part sentences saying "this is their new hoax". One would assume "their" refers to the Democrats, but it is not clear if "this" refers to the virus or what. Later the White House clarified saying he simply meant to disparage the Democrats and not the virus. He has great respect for the coronavirus, it's a really great virus. The virus is doing a wonderful job of being a virus.

The line quoted in the article I cited was

"Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."

That is, the Democrats were hoaxing the public by taking the corona virus seriously. The incidental implication is that the alarm about Covid-19 was a hoax.

The fact that he was being rude about the Democrats doesn't let him off the hook of not taking the incipient epidemic as seriously as he should have done.

But everything else mkr said is spot on. But does Trump surprise anymore? He has done about everything possible to show he is an idiot and incompetent and caring more about his reelection than literally anything else including the well being of the populace.

The thing is his popularity received a bump from his bungling response to the disaster.

There is no such thing as bad publicity. The Covid-19 crisis has given Trump a lot of exposure, and he's done his best to hog as much of the air-time as he can.

It may take a while for the American public to realise just how badly their government has performed, but as the bodies build up, the survivors may get the message.

I expect that will fade as things continue to get worse both medically and economically. But imagine the tremendous boost he would have received if he had done a proper job and organized the feds to properly support the states and by his own actions has galvanized the nation to fight this virus from day one, keeping our casualties much lower than the up to 250,000 deaths Trump is projecting. That would have put him over the top and assured his reelection.

Now instead of setting an example, wearing a mask and encouraging people to stay at home instead of filling churches on Sunday, he is helping a resurgence of the infection rate just as it was starting to level off.

The new case per day might have been leveling off, but that's a lot of new cases every day. What you want is fewer infected people, not a steady stream of new ones.

A week from now there will be a bump in the new infection rate lasting about a week. You can bet money on it.

This is sort of Presidential actions that sadden me. I was hoping to get out from under his four years without much harm being done.

Feckless optimism.

The Dims needed to take COVID-19 seriously in Jan, not March. When Pres Trump took it seriously then, Sleepy Joe called him "xenophobic" and "hysterical." Now, he says that Pres. Trump did the "right thing!"
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What Trump did clearly wasn't anything like enough of the right thing. Stopping Chinese people entering the US might have had some rational basis but was mainly designed to appeal to the racist Flyguy element in his support base.

If he'd gone on to stop infected people coming in from other areas, he might have improved the situation, but at the moment the US is doing really badly at slowing down the Covod-19 epidemic and it's the administration that's stuck with the blame.

Flyguy is silly enough to think that it's worth trying sling mud at the Democrats, but they aren't running the country.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 12:41:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:34:48 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
yeah and as he actually said, coronavirus is the new hoax.

looking forward also, to our beautiful easter weekend -- again, as he actually said. -- brilliant.

it would take too long to give more (daily) examples of the moronic statements the fucking idiot has gurgled.

No, Pres Trump NEVER said that.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200320-from-hoax-to-pandemic-trump-s-shifting-rhetoric-on-coronavirus

Flyguy may have missed it, but Trump does seem to have said something very like it on the 28th February 2020.

Nope, NEVER said it, Sloman.
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So we have to chose between Flyguys's version of reality, or the one that makes it into the main stream media, who very unkindly report what Trump actually said, rather than what nitwits like Flyguy would have liked him to have said, which mysteriously morphs into what Flyguy thinks he said.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:47:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 12:41:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:34:48 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
yeah and as he actually said, coronavirus is the new hoax.

looking forward also, to our beautiful easter weekend -- again, as he actually said. -- brilliant.

it would take too long to give more (daily) examples of the moronic statements the fucking idiot has gurgled.

No, Pres Trump NEVER said that.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200320-from-hoax-to-pandemic-trump-s-shifting-rhetoric-on-coronavirus

Flyguy may have missed it, but Trump does seem to have said something very like it on the 28th February 2020.

Nope, NEVER said it, Sloman.

So we have to chose between Flyguys's version of reality, or the one that makes it into the main stream media, who very unkindly report what Trump actually said, rather than what nitwits like Flyguy would have liked him to have said, which mysteriously morphs into what Flyguy thinks he said.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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No, there's reality and YOUR twisted version of it, Slow Man.
 
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:45:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 2:22:00 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:55:58 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 3:46:27 PM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:41:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:34:48 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
yeah and as he actually said, coronavirus is the new hoax.

looking forward also, to our beautiful easter weekend -- again, as he actually said. -- brilliant.

it would take too long to give more (daily) examples of the moronic statements the fucking idiot has gurgled.

No, Pres Trump NEVER said that. Anybody who believes that is, per Slow Man, a STUPD HALF-WIT.

Fli is actually right about the hoax thing. If you pay careful attention to the exact words Trump used, he didn't exactly say COVID-19 is a hoax, he said the Democrats... well he said the virus... well, he babbled in his usual part sentences saying "this is their new hoax". One would assume "their" refers to the Democrats, but it is not clear if "this" refers to the virus or what. Later the White House clarified saying he simply meant to disparage the Democrats and not the virus. He has great respect for the coronavirus, it's a really great virus. The virus is doing a wonderful job of being a virus.

The line quoted in the article I cited was

"Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."

That is, the Democrats were hoaxing the public by taking the corona virus seriously. The incidental implication is that the alarm about Covid-19 was a hoax.

The fact that he was being rude about the Democrats doesn't let him off the hook of not taking the incipient epidemic as seriously as he should have done.

But everything else mkr said is spot on. But does Trump surprise anymore? He has done about everything possible to show he is an idiot and incompetent and caring more about his reelection than literally anything else including the well being of the populace.

The thing is his popularity received a bump from his bungling response to the disaster.

There is no such thing as bad publicity. The Covid-19 crisis has given Trump a lot of exposure, and he's done his best to hog as much of the air-time as he can.

It may take a while for the American public to realise just how badly their government has performed, but as the bodies build up, the survivors may get the message.

I expect that will fade as things continue to get worse both medically and economically. But imagine the tremendous boost he would have received if he had done a proper job and organized the feds to properly support the states and by his own actions has galvanized the nation to fight this virus from day one, keeping our casualties much lower than the up to 250,000 deaths Trump is projecting. That would have put him over the top and assured his reelection.

Now instead of setting an example, wearing a mask and encouraging people to stay at home instead of filling churches on Sunday, he is helping a resurgence of the infection rate just as it was starting to level off.

The new case per day might have been leveling off, but that's a lot of new cases every day. What you want is fewer infected people, not a steady stream of new ones.

A week from now there will be a bump in the new infection rate lasting about a week. You can bet money on it.

This is sort of Presidential actions that sadden me. I was hoping to get out from under his four years without much harm being done.

Feckless optimism.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

The Dims needed to take COVID-19 seriously in Jan, not March. When Pres Trump took it seriously then, Sleepy Joe called him "xenophobic" and "hysterical." Now, he says that Pres. Trump did the "right thing!"

Do you just make up stuff off the top of your head or do you work on it a while to give it that just right, theater of the absurd look and feel?

It is true that Trump's response was xenophobic. That was his motivation for limiting the restrictions to Chinese and not all travelers. Even so, the enemy had already crossed the rubicon and was infecting the US.

Since the end of the year when the Chinese announced they had a virus sweeping Wuhan, 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China. 40,000 of those were after Trumps travel restrictions.

Add to that the huge numbers of people arriving from other parts of the world with the infection which were not restricted until much later.

So just how much difference do you think the restrictions really made? Clearly the problem is not that travel restrictions were the solution. Action to slow the transmission of infections that were already here is what has always been needed and is what we have done so poorly.

Consider that if the travel restrictions were effective, why do we have so many more infected and dead than any other country in the world? Why has our problem with the virus grown so much more rapidly?

It must be the fault of the Democrats somehow. It must be that they were crying out early that the virus was a problem we needed to address. So much so that by the time Trump actually joined them in say this was a real fucking problem the public thought he was the boy who cried "WOLF".

Yeah, that's the ticket!

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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You been watching FAR TOO MUCH of MSNBC.
 
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:41:37 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 11:45:29 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 2:22:00 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:55:58 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 3:46:27 PM UTC+10, Ricky C wrote:
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:41:42 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:34:48 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
yeah and as he actually said, coronavirus is the new hoax.

looking forward also, to our beautiful easter weekend -- again, as he actually said. -- brilliant.

it would take too long to give more (daily) examples of the moronic statements the fucking idiot has gurgled.

No, Pres Trump NEVER said that. Anybody who believes that is, per Slow Man, a STUPD HALF-WIT.

Fli is actually right about the hoax thing. If you pay careful attention to the exact words Trump used, he didn't exactly say COVID-19 is a hoax, he said the Democrats... well he said the virus... well, he babbled in his usual part sentences saying "this is their new hoax". One would assume "their" refers to the Democrats, but it is not clear if "this" refers to the virus or what. Later the White House clarified saying he simply meant to disparage the Democrats and not the virus. He has great respect for the coronavirus, it's a really great virus. The virus is doing a wonderful job of being a virus.

The line quoted in the article I cited was

"Now, the Democrats are politicising the coronavirus… this is their new hoax."

That is, the Democrats were hoaxing the public by taking the corona virus seriously. The incidental implication is that the alarm about Covid-19 was a hoax.

The fact that he was being rude about the Democrats doesn't let him off the hook of not taking the incipient epidemic as seriously as he should have done.

But everything else mkr said is spot on. But does Trump surprise anymore? He has done about everything possible to show he is an idiot and incompetent and caring more about his reelection than literally anything else including the well being of the populace.

The thing is his popularity received a bump from his bungling response to the disaster.

There is no such thing as bad publicity. The Covid-19 crisis has given Trump a lot of exposure, and he's done his best to hog as much of the air-time as he can.

It may take a while for the American public to realise just how badly their government has performed, but as the bodies build up, the survivors may get the message.

I expect that will fade as things continue to get worse both medically and economically. But imagine the tremendous boost he would have received if he had done a proper job and organized the feds to properly support the states and by his own actions has galvanized the nation to fight this virus from day one, keeping our casualties much lower than the up to 250,000 deaths Trump is projecting. That would have put him over the top and assured his reelection.

Now instead of setting an example, wearing a mask and encouraging people to stay at home instead of filling churches on Sunday, he is helping a resurgence of the infection rate just as it was starting to level off.

The new case per day might have been leveling off, but that's a lot of new cases every day. What you want is fewer infected people, not a steady stream of new ones.

A week from now there will be a bump in the new infection rate lasting about a week. You can bet money on it.

This is sort of Presidential actions that sadden me. I was hoping to get out from under his four years without much harm being done.

Feckless optimism.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

The Dims needed to take COVID-19 seriously in Jan, not March. When Pres Trump took it seriously then, Sleepy Joe called him "xenophobic" and "hysterical." Now, he says that Pres. Trump did the "right thing!"

Do you just make up stuff off the top of your head or do you work on it a while to give it that just right, theater of the absurd look and feel?

It is true that Trump's response was xenophobic. That was his motivation for limiting the restrictions to Chinese and not all travelers. Even so, the enemy had already crossed the rubicon and was infecting the US.

Since the end of the year when the Chinese announced they had a virus sweeping Wuhan, 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China. 40,000 of those were after Trumps travel restrictions.

Add to that the huge numbers of people arriving from other parts of the world with the infection which were not restricted until much later.

So just how much difference do you think the restrictions really made? Clearly the problem is not that travel restrictions were the solution. Action to slow the transmission of infections that were already here is what has always been needed and is what we have done so poorly.

Consider that if the travel restrictions were effective, why do we have so many more infected and dead than any other country in the world? Why has our problem with the virus grown so much more rapidly?

It must be the fault of the Democrats somehow. It must be that they were crying out early that the virus was a problem we needed to address. So much so that by the time Trump actually joined them in say this was a real fucking problem the public thought he was the boy who cried "WOLF".

Yeah, that's the ticket!

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

You been watching FAR TOO MUCH of MSNBC.
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I didn't expect you to be able to address the facts. You are just as predictable as AlwaysWrong. Yup, AlwaysIrrelevant.

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:42:15 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:47:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 12:41:42 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:34:48 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
yeah and as he actually said, coronavirus is the new hoax.

looking forward also, to our beautiful easter weekend -- again, as he actually said. -- brilliant.

it would take too long to give more (daily) examples of the moronic statements the fucking idiot has gurgled.

No, Pres Trump NEVER said that.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200320-from-hoax-to-pandemic-trump-s-shifting-rhetoric-on-coronavirus

Flyguy may have missed it, but Trump does seem to have said something very like it on the 28th February 2020.

Nope, NEVER said it, Sloman.

So we have to chose between Flyguys's version of reality, or the one that makes it into the main stream media, who very unkindly report what Trump actually said, rather than what nitwits like Flyguy would have liked him to have said, which mysteriously morphs into what Flyguy thinks he said.

No, there's reality and YOUR twisted version of it, Sloman.
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That's what I said. Repeating it back to me doesn't get you off the hook.

My version is supported by a link to an independent observer. Yours relies on your personal credibility, which is rather low.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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