NY knew they didn't have enough ventilators for a pandemic a

[Flyguy]

Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

They also knew that they weren't going to have enough trained staff to operate extra ventilators if they did get them.

As they say, if you spend all your money on preparing for possible emergencies, you don't have any left to deal with day-to-day expenses.

You do take every opportunity to remind us exactly how stupid you are, don't you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

No, that was a lie - there is PLENTY of trained staff to use the ventilators (just do the numbers). That lie was a rationalization to justify not buying more ventilators.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/2/2020 11:45 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

They also knew that they weren't going to have enough trained staff to operate extra ventilators if they did get them.

As they say, if you spend all your money on preparing for possible emergencies, you don't have any left to deal with day-to-day expenses.

You do take every opportunity to remind us exactly how stupid you are, don't you.

He doesn't seem to grasp that saying "too fucking bad" and shrugging off
deaths in one's own country is entirely incompatible with accusing China
of anything, much less proving it.

They will just tu quoque America until the cows come home. Trumpos will
buy it but America will just look weaker and stupider to everyone else
in the world.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

They also knew that they weren't going to have enough trained staff to operate extra ventilators if they did get them.

As they say, if you spend all your money on preparing for possible emergencies, you don't have any left to deal with day-to-day expenses.

You do take every opportunity to remind us exactly how stupid you are, don't you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 4/3/2020 12:28 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 4/2/2020 11:45 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE,
asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because
they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS
decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That
decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR
ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015
(https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf).
The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of
the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates
discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of
ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are
not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many
regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750
ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the
moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough
ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a
limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a
potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for
current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe
staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional
ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives,
because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to
operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health
care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet
critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most
severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the
country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a
pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID
happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

They also knew that they weren't going to have enough trained staff to
operate extra ventilators if they did get them.

As they say, if you spend all your money on preparing for possible
emergencies, you don't have any left to deal with day-to-day expenses.

You do take every opportunity to remind us exactly how stupid you are,
don't you.


He doesn't seem to grasp that saying "too fucking bad" and shrugging off
deaths in one's own country is entirely incompatible with accusing China
of anything, much less proving it.

They will just tu quoque America until the cows come home. Trumpos will
buy it but America will just look weaker and stupider to everyone else
in the world.

In fact they're prolly counting on it.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 3:27:50 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above.. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

They also knew that they weren't going to have enough trained staff to operate extra ventilators if they did get them.

As they say, if you spend all your money on preparing for possible emergencies, you don't have any left to deal with day-to-day expenses.

You do take every opportunity to remind us exactly how stupid you are, don't you.

No, that was a lie - there is PLENTY of trained staff to use the ventilators (just do the numbers). That lie was a rationalization to justify not buying more ventilators.

Any fact that doesn't suit Flyguy's argument has to be a lie. It's not a convincing way of proving your point, but Flyguy is much too stupid to realise this. He wants me to "do the numbers" to prove that he is right, because he doesn't even know where to start to do it himself.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Sea]

On 04/02/2020 09:34 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 3:27:50 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient
ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in
a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released
in 2015
....
to justify not buying more ventilators.

Why didn't you speak up in 2015, Flyspeck?
Your hindsight is as useless as everyone else's.

Any fact that doesn't suit Flyguy's argument has to be a lie. It's
not a convincing way of proving your point, but Flyguy is much too
stupid to realise this. He wants me to "do the numbers" to prove
that he is right, because he doesn't even know where to start to do
it himself.

There are numbers about Trump's golf days after the virus had crossed
our doorstep. They clash well with his campaign assurances that, as
president, he won't have time for golf, he'll be working.

 

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 12:27:50 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above.. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

They also knew that they weren't going to have enough trained staff to operate extra ventilators if they did get them.

As they say, if you spend all your money on preparing for possible emergencies, you don't have any left to deal with day-to-day expenses.

You do take every opportunity to remind us exactly how stupid you are, don't you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

No, that was a lie - there is PLENTY of trained staff to use the ventilators (just do the numbers). That lie was a rationalization to justify not buying more ventilators.

Respiratory therapy is one of the toughest curriculums in medical technology training. There are not a whole lot of them. They're the highest paid of the medical technologists for a reason, namely, they're in demand everywhere and there aren't enough of them. Don't bother creating more training opportunities for the field, the existing schools are significantly underenrolled as it is, and the graduation rates are low. Ventilators require respiratory therapists to not only operate the machine but also tend to the patient.. The machine and the patient require constant monitoring and adjustment. There aren't enough respiratory therapists in the world to handle just NY state's projected requirements. The technology is simply overwhelmed and there's nothing that can be done about it.Then there is the issue of payback. Over half the people who progress to needing mechanical ventilation die. Add to this the fact that most of these people are at end of life anyway, not exactly what could be called essential personnel, and anybody can figure out what's going on there.

 

[mkr5000]

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

well, we could be buying masks right NOW from China but they won't import them (at least that's what I read). shit, they're all made in China -- even 3m makes them there. so what's that all about?
the whole Trump thing has been chaos from day one. the guy is a CON.

 

[Davej]

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 7:59:58 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:

Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE,
asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because
they don't have enough ventilators. [...]

Don't worry, this guy says it is all just a scam...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0z8NhxNTaU

 

FlyTurd <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:51b5a84d-4851-4643-bb7b-fd0a902219e9@googlegroups.com:

No, that was a lie - there is PLENTY of trained staff to use the
ventilators (just do the numbers). That lie was a rationalization
to justify not buying more ventilators.

The Pentagon released a report WAY BACK in 2017 detailing the
PROPER way to handle such an event. Donald John Trump was 100%
informed about this. ALL of it. A LONG TIME AGO. What the retarded
bastard did was GUT the program OUR NATION had in place to address
it.

The Negligent, Incompetent Donald John Trump IGNORED ALL of the
directives. And with the the tag gets 'murderous' added to it.
All so the stupid fuck could redirect funds towrd his pathetic
failure and fraudulent money suck, "The Wall".

You are so fucking stupid, you insult the other fly turds.

Trump voters are so fucking stupid, they insult all other
Americans, and sully our nation's image.

 

Sea <freshness@coast.org> wrote in news:r66ntl$1up$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 04/02/2020 09:34 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 3:27:50 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman
wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient
ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing
in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES"
released in 2015
...
to justify not buying more ventilators.

Why didn't you speak up in 2015, Flyspeck?
Your hindsight is as useless as everyone else's.

Any fact that doesn't suit Flyguy's argument has to be a lie.
It's not a convincing way of proving your point, but Flyguy is
much too stupid to realise this. He wants me to "do the numbers"
to prove that he is right, because he doesn't even know where to
start to do it himself.

There are numbers about Trump's golf days after the virus had
crossed our doorstep. They clash well with his campaign assurances
that, as president, he won't have time for golf, he'll be working.

It is worse than that. There was a report by the Pentagon WAY BACK
in 2017 detailing the directives for a response to an event such as
this. Trump IGNORED ALL OF THEM, blew it off on the news, and went
golfing. Donald John Trump made it worse and cost lives. That, at
the very least is homicide through negligence. And the trigger to
remove the dangerous bastard was already pulled and he was already
proven to be criminal, and the 50 senators that took yet another oath
should go to prison for the shit they pulled to let the dangerous,
stupid, murderous bastard continue to damage our nation and its
people.

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 3:27:50 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:45:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 11:59:58 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

They also knew that they weren't going to have enough trained staff to operate extra ventilators if they did get them.

As they say, if you spend all your money on preparing for possible emergencies, you don't have any left to deal with day-to-day expenses.

You do take every opportunity to remind us exactly how stupid you are, don't you.

No, that was a lie - there is PLENTY of trained staff to use the ventilators (just do the numbers). That lie was a rationalization to justify not buying more ventilators.

Any fact that doesn't suit Flyguy's argument has to be a lie. It's not a convincing way of proving your point, but Flyguy is much too stupid to realise this. He wants me to "do the numbers" to prove that he is right, because he doesn't even know where to start to do it himself.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

LOL! You libtards TALK THE TALK, but can't WALK THE WALK!! You complain about my numbers and call me STUPD (yes, that is what you wrote!), but have none of your numbers WHATSOEVER!!! You, and the rest of your fellow libtards, are HOPELESS!!!!

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 03/04/20 18:26, Flyguy wrote:

LOL! You libtards TALK THE TALK, but can't WALK THE WALK!! You complain about
my numbers and call me STUPD (yes, that is what you wrote!), but have none of
your numbers WHATSOEVER!!! You, and the rest of your fellow libtards, are
HOPELESS!!!!

I think that is all you need to say for people here to get your message.

 

[Ricky C]

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 9:28:41 AM UTC-4, mkr5000 wrote:

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

well, we could be buying masks right NOW from China but they won't import them (at least that's what I read). shit, they're all made in China -- even 3m makes them there. so what's that all about?
the whole Trump thing has been chaos from day one. the guy is a CON.

Yeah, he is. He's another Bernie Madoff. The Coronavirus is his Ponzi scheme falling apart. He thought he could bluff his way to the next election, but this catastrophe is being created by his bungling.

It is truly sad and that thousands will needlessly die makes it even sadder.. Trump, the sad President.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 4/3/2020 3:17 PM, Ricky C wrote:

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 9:28:41 AM UTC-4, mkr5000 wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

well, we could be buying masks right NOW from China but they won't import them (at least that's what I read). shit, they're all made in China -- even 3m makes them there. so what's that all about?
the whole Trump thing has been chaos from day one. the guy is a CON.

Yeah, he is. He's another Bernie Madoff. The Coronavirus is his Ponzi scheme falling apart. He thought he could bluff his way to the next election, but this catastrophe is being created by his bungling.

It is truly sad and that thousands will needlessly die makes it even sadder. Trump, the sad President.

His "economic miracle" was supposed to come crashing down in 2025 but
the stilts got pulled early.

In a turn of irony he may end up being America's first socialist
president. Or second, depending on whom you ask.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/3/2020 9:07 AM, Davej wrote:

On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 7:59:58 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE,
asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because
they don't have enough ventilators. [...]

Don't worry, this guy says it is all just a scam...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0z8NhxNTaU

"concerned citizens" should just go right up and ask to be a volunteer
janitor to help clean patient rooms, if it's all a fraud they'll
probably get turned down. What if they say "yes! we could use the help"
though? does our video-maker feel lucky

I like to see if people have the courage of their convictions. I expect
we won't see a vid like that anytime soon, though.

 

[Sjouke Burry]

On 03.04.20 21:17, Ricky C wrote:

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 9:28:41 AM UTC-4, mkr5000 wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 8:59:58 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
Cuomo has been very vocal about his need for ventilators and PPE, asking others (presumably Pres Trump) to decide WHO will DIE because they don't have enough ventilators. Well, NY made the CONSCIOUS decision to NOT have sufficient ventilators for a pandemic. That decision was put in writing in a document called "VENTILATOR ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" released in 2015 (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf). The particular section covering this issue is on page 35:

E. Stockpiling Ventilators

New York State pandemic planning includes careful consideration of the potential shortage of ventilators, based on the estimates discussed above. There is a federal government stockpile of ventilators, but its use is limited for any one locality; there are not enough ventilators to be distributed to meet demand if many regions need them at once. New York State has stockpiled 1,750 ventilators to help reduce ventilator need in the face of the moderate scenario; however, there are no current plans to buy enough ventilators for
the most severe model. The State’s current approach to stockpiling a limited number of ventilators balances the need to prepare for a potential pandemic against the need to maintain adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses. Furthermore, severe staffing shortages are anticipated, and purchasing additional ventilators beyond a threshold will not save additional lives, because there will not be a sufficient number of trained staff to operate them. In the event of an overwhelming burden on the health care system, New York will not have sufficient ventilators to meet critical care needs despite its emergency stockpile. If the most severe forecast becomes a reality, New York State and the rest of the country will need to allocate ventilators and other scarce resources.

They KNEW that there weren't sufficient ventilators to handle a pandemic and ROLLED THE DICE that it would not happen. And, if it DID happen, well then TOO FUCKING BAD, PEOPLE WILL DIE!

well, we could be buying masks right NOW from China but they won't import them (at least that's what I read). shit, they're all made in China -- even 3m makes them there. so what's that all about?
the whole Trump thing has been chaos from day one. the guy is a CON.

Yeah, he is. He's another Bernie Madoff. The Coronavirus is his Ponzi scheme falling apart. He thought he could bluff his way to the next election, but this catastrophe is being created by his bungling.

It is truly sad and that thousands will needlessly die makes it even sadder. Trump, the sad President.

Maybe he will catch it. He is old enough to catch a problem.........

 

Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
news:j2LhG.331239$xr2.7376@fx12.am4:

On 03/04/20 18:26, Flyguy wrote:
LOL! You libtards TALK THE TALK, but can't WALK THE WALK!! You
complain about my numbers and call me STUPD (yes, that is what
you wrote!), but have none of your numbers WHATSOEVER!!! You, and
the rest of your fellow libtards, are HOPELESS!!!!

I think that is all you need to say for people here to get your
message.

That he refers to anyone whom might disagree with the little putz
as "libtards"... yeah, we certainly do see that flawed, low
integrity behavior. And way too many all caps crap for his mental
age to be above 13. Does not matter what his physical age is.

I always laugh when a 'black' (african american) dude hollers out
"I'm a grown man!"
Through modern jailhouse stupid fuck technology, it has spread to
dumb backwoods white trash as well. Both have less maturity even
than Trump does, and that is quite a feat. Many times, both also wear
their pants down past their asscrack. Another 'modern' indicator of
maturity level.

 

[Ricky C]

On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 6:01:17 PM UTC-4, Sjouke Burry wrote:

On 03.04.20 21:17, Ricky C wrote:

It is truly sad and that thousands will needlessly die makes it even sadder. Trump, the sad President.

Maybe he will catch it. He is old enough to catch a problem.........

Boris Johnson and many other leaders have caught it. I expect Trump's social distancing is actually more than adequate. At this point I think he is scared shitless. Partly from the risk of catching it, but mostly of the impact it will have on his campaign. His popularity is at his highest level at the moment. But when the death count is over 100,000 and the economy tanks, I expect the tune will change a bit.

Initially it was all about blaming the media noise on the democrats. Then he shifted gears and is taking this more seriously, very much more seriously going from "a bad flu" to 100,000 to 240,000 dead in a single day. So when he is being called on it he won't be able to say, "I could perhaps ask Tony about that, because I don’t know anything about it". It's all public record now. We even have a half-wit governor of Florida who changed his mind from Donald Trump's "demeanor change".

Sad that our idiot in chief had to wait for months to take this seriously. The die is now cast and it will have to play out.

--

Rick C.

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